00:35:43 talilee is now known as talli 00:55:01 vinod has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:03:03 vinod (~vinod@209-122-233-187.s1997.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 01:06:43 wb vinod 01:08:11 thanks davb 01:09:20 how's the secret project going? 01:09:28 pretty bad :) 01:09:51 doh! 01:10:04 I am supposed to be doing graphic design for it, but its not going to good. I am way out of practice. I have been hacking for almost two years on OpenACS stuff. 01:10:18 I am sure it will all work out. 01:10:52 cool. well, if it's any consolation, i'm sure you've forgotten more design stuff than i've ever known :-) 01:11:04 :) 01:12:28 you host your stuff on your dsl line, right? 01:12:37 cable now. 01:13:33 ahh - cool. i need to find some hosting. i've been looking at hub.org and the prices seem pretty good 01:14:11 they are ok, also check out cornerhost.com 01:14:27 one of these days I am going to setup an OpenACS site over there. 01:14:46 he said it would be $30/month 01:14:56 which is really cheap for OpenACS. 01:15:21 but its not on the menu yet, you have to ask :) 01:15:28 cool! 01:32:02 marduk_away has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:32:02 shagster has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:44:17 vinod: top secret project? :) 01:45:00 heh - i wish 01:45:15 just need to update my site to openacs 01:45:32 ah 01:45:34 vinod, you can program OACS? 01:45:44 uhoh, sorry ... 01:45:54 what? 01:46:03 no, no - i assumed it would already be programmed 01:46:16 by your monkey 01:46:17 ? 01:46:19 don't i just have to click on the Windows installer button? 01:47:03 no, you're supposed to click the blinkiing button that says, "Free XXX and Home Loans!!!" 01:47:13 that works pretty good and easy 01:47:29 yeah, i've tried that, but the interest rates are ridiculous 02:00:24 cool... cornerhost has a blog where he documents all his problems as they happen 02:00:40 http://cornerhost.blogspot.com/ 02:00:41 A: http://cornerhost.blogspot.com/ from vinod 02:00:53 A:| Cornerhost - webhosting 02:00:53 titled item A 02:01:39 that seems pretty open for a webhosting company 02:02:38 yeah, its pretty cool. I have two sites there, but they are not OpenACS yet. 02:02:59 good luck. and good night :) 02:03:24 gnight 02:03:32 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 02:25:00 shagster (~mkovach@web1.alal.com) has joined #openacs 02:25:12 *grr* 02:38:51 vinod has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02:42:33 Psychephylax (nblyumbe@ool-18bd7775.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 02:42:38 hey talli 02:42:46 hey Psychephylax. welcome back 02:42:51 long time no see 02:42:55 How's everyone 02:43:04 * Psychephylax lurks around looking for dave and mark 02:43:08 * Psychephylax checks behind chump 02:43:13 nope, not here 02:43:14 markd's not been here today 02:43:20 and davb left a little while ago 02:43:21 * Psychephylax lifts up loggy 02:43:23 no dave here 02:43:35 Cool 02:43:38 How's everything? 02:44:48 * Psychephylax pokes talli 02:44:49 good. you? 02:44:56 Keepin' busy 02:45:00 Went to the gym today 02:45:08 woooo :) weight loss! 02:45:20 stayin' lazy 02:45:25 didn't go to the office today 02:45:27 Work is alright...getting lots of overtime :) 02:45:32 Ah 02:45:35 I worked 02:45:37 woooo :( beer guts! 02:45:44 Went up to the bronx to fix stuff 02:45:48 i worked from home 02:45:51 Hehe 02:45:52 where are you working? 02:46:04 It's kind of hard to move a server from point a to point b from home :P 02:46:06 vinod (~vinod@207-172-97-193.s193.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 02:46:23 not hard for vinod! 02:46:32 * Psychephylax thwaps vinod 02:46:35 :-D 02:46:36 (that's what all the boys say) 02:46:58 talli you know Montefiore Children's Hospital? 02:47:02 it's in the bronx 02:47:05 yeah 02:47:10 ybos built them an ACS system 02:47:12 * vinod doesn't want to know what talli's talkin bout 02:47:19 ybos? 02:47:28 hey Psychephylax 02:47:32 an ACS company 02:47:32 hey vinod ltns 02:47:35 Ah... 02:48:00 oh man 02:49:30 yeah 02:49:44 they went to all the OACs companies last fall to get people to build them a system. 02:49:48 you mean the planetarium? 02:49:59 no, the non-medical floor 02:50:00 did you notice that each bed has a 42 in plasma monitor next to it? 02:50:08 yeah we put them there :) 02:50:09 all 600 beds, i think? 02:50:14 Well, not our choice 02:50:24 who are you working for? 02:50:33 * vinod adds montefiore to his job-search list 02:50:36 Cablevision 02:50:39 ah, cool 02:50:53 You know their TVs are powered by our programs :) 02:51:10 vinod, if you can get a pediatrics gig at this hosptal, i imagine it would be sweet 02:51:20 yeah 02:51:26 you can flirt with all the hot nurses 02:51:28 they also have gigabit ethernet by every bed as well 02:51:31 Just pretend you're lost 02:51:41 talli, I don't think it's gigabit 02:51:48 100mbps more like it 02:51:49 haha - i spose i'd have to learn pediatrics, then 02:52:01 they told everyone originally that they were gigabit 02:52:07 yes, alas. 02:52:07 it might be 02:52:22 it pulls VOD off of the servers in Yonkers 02:52:25 actually 02:52:26 I'm sorry 02:52:29 VOD off Hicksville 02:52:59 kewl 02:53:20 hey shagster 02:53:24 Hey... 02:53:40 I almost got arrested, today ... LOL 02:53:44 bah 02:53:46 that's NOTHING 02:53:53 for hanging out with talli again? 02:53:56 I almost got KILLED today 02:54:06 shagster, what happened? 02:54:14 talli, if you ever go to the bronx don't trust the red lights 02:54:25 Apparently they're optional 02:54:32 XO's salesman pissed me off :) 02:54:40 XO? 02:55:01 Crossover 02:55:02 XO communication,htp://www.xo.com 02:55:03 Duh! 02:55:16 ah 02:55:20 what happened? 02:55:20 so how did you get arrested from that 02:55:25 I piss off lots of salespeople 02:55:34 Salesman pised me off, been trying to get this line up for 3 months... 02:56:15 Went to their sales office and explain I wanted to either a) talked to the sales reps office or b) leave with his balls 02:56:16 yeah 02:56:20 sometimes DSL companies do that 02:56:21 haha 02:56:37 so... 02:56:51 Some other ones (PhoenixDSL) like to waste your time for 3 months then go bankrupt 02:56:54 does he mind not having balls anymore? 02:57:01 Somebody said they aren't here, so I said, Fine I'll take your balls...then somebody called the cops... 02:57:07 lol 02:57:08 haha 02:57:12 lol 02:57:15 p: this is a 100MB ethernet connection... 02:57:18 oh man 02:57:29 * Psychephylax wonders when he's been nicknamed "P" 02:57:55 Cop was laughing so hard he let me go..told them they should consider getting my line working... 02:58:07 that's a good cop 02:58:15 Psychephylax because I'd never spell your name right consistantly 02:58:25 That's ok 02:58:32 just try to remember Psy (tab) 02:58:38 Well, I host his wife's company website :) 02:58:39 shagster, i'm going to try using that negotiating technique 02:59:14 No problem, learned it from my dad...it works :) 02:59:29 "enterprise class websites or we'll get your competitor's balls" 02:59:52 i build nonprofit websites 02:59:52 lol 03:00:03 talli can you build me a website/ 03:00:03 But I ripped there connection out of my data center tonite and stuffed in their mailslot :) 03:00:06 it's non-profit 03:00:12 as in there will be no profit for you :) 03:00:12 so, it might be more like "enterprise class websites or i'll give you vinod's balls" 03:00:15 that's threat enough 03:00:35 Enterprise websites or rub my manboobs! 03:00:58 * vinod hopes talli doesn't sign up any customers 03:01:50 I need to get back into more web stuff...email is going to kill me :) 03:02:11 hehe 03:02:30 I officially use 2 t1's today just for incoming spam *grr* 03:03:00 jesus 03:03:13 lol 03:03:20 I think you need to spam the incoming mail addresses 03:03:42 What people need to do is for every spam mail sent to you 03:03:54 Forward that e-mail 5 times to the ISP 03:04:07 and use up more of my bandwidth :) Nah! 03:04:10 Eventually abuse@isp.* will get kinda worried after getting hundreds of spam mails themselves 03:04:20 They'll go hunting them down 03:05:25 I'm spent part of today talking ot upstream providers, I'm going to start blocking IP's on my border routers (on smtp for spam) 03:05:46 Psychephylax has quit ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 03:08:51 Okay, who thinks OpenACS could be use to create an 'Exchange' Replacement on Steriods? 03:09:16 be great. but exchange is nice cuz it integrates iwth a desktop app 03:09:19 Well, Exchange/IIS replacement 03:09:33 build something other than a browser and i think you're right 03:10:12 Well, I'm thinking or a mapi->openacs component 03:10:27 like what? 03:10:43 Openmail and Evolution type intergration... 03:11:29 like integrate with Evolution? 03:11:34 that would be really cool 03:11:37 Basically create a OpenACS server to server domain/department websites, using user adminstration for email/calendar/address book control 03:11:54 that would be awesome 03:12:09 could use RPC and SOAP as well 03:12:35 I'm giving serious thought to it... 03:12:44 Of course, I would need some serious help :) 03:12:47 sounds good to me 03:12:54 (except for that last part) 03:12:57 :-) 03:13:01 you should post your ideas 03:13:12 I have to finalize them.... 03:13:13 maybe write a spec 03:13:22 post it and see people's reactions 03:13:38 i bet it would be something someone's client would eventually look for 03:13:46 I'm contracting with BP right now and they are so Windows centric it is scarey 03:13:59 british pet? 03:14:00 So I asked them why.... 03:14:05 petroleum 03:14:23 Yea, you've seen the gas stations :) 03:14:32 right 03:16:09 And they love the email/address book/calendar/web site intergration that windows "can do" 03:16:10 so why are they windows centric? 03:16:21 everyone loves it. it's great. 03:16:28 it's just that it's on windows 03:16:35 as you say, maybe it's not so hard to fake... 03:16:41 or rebuild 03:16:47 marduk_away (~marduk@206-72-66-50.dsl.dock.net) has joined #openacs 03:16:59 Yes, they replaced 3 Linux boxes running qmail with 15 NT servers to run their mail 03:17:08 (virus scanning, spam blocking, etc) 03:17:29 They called me back in to fix the "performance and security" issues 03:18:09 So I asked them why they went to Windows NT for it 03:18:40 no way 03:19:15 Yep... 03:19:41 they spend over 1.5M dollars to have a slower, less secure and useful system ... 03:19:57 Put they are going to start allow the use of Apache this year 03:20:08 oh man 03:21:22 It was just a very interesting conversation...Im talking to them now to see how much they'll let me "repeat" 03:21:37 repeat what? 03:21:49 Of the conversation.... 03:22:01 ah man. that bad, huh? 03:22:01 They tend to keep IT on a very tight lip 03:22:20 because they don't like being embarrassed? or security through obscurity? 03:22:32 the first part 03:22:39 bummer. 03:22:45 well, as long as they pay i guess 03:23:12 Actually they pay on time! 03:23:25 the bastards! 03:24:50 Yea, they confuse the well out of me... 03:25:18 of course they pay on time. they probably heard about the "balls" story 03:25:34 Actually, they have :) 03:25:37 haha 03:25:50 that's a good story to "leak" :-) 03:26:04 i think that's how BP negotiates deals in third world countries 03:26:13 haha 03:26:48 heh... 03:32:23 * shagster has a scotch...for everybody 03:33:00 * vinod coughs and soothes his throat with his beer 03:33:35 * talli sparks up ano... uh, picks up his Little Women book 03:36:09 hey talli, not sure if you know this, but 'little women' isn't a porno 03:36:56 that explains it. i was wondering why all the pictures were so small, black and close together. 03:37:05 haha 03:39:41 Heh.. 03:41:37 Well, it is offical now, the NorthEast Ohio Linux Users Group's IRC is offically on a FreeBSD box behind an OpenBSD firewall 03:41:52 haha 03:41:56 who pulled that fast one? 03:42:04 shagster, are you a BSD head? 03:42:58 The Debian box lost a power supply, I had a box..it just happen to have FreeBSD on it :) 03:43:04 and all my firewalls are OpenBSD 03:43:32 But, I've done kernel work on Linux...I'm a Open-type Unix guy 03:44:03 give shagster an inch and he'll take over your world 03:44:53 and show you his open unix 03:45:18 http://cobalt22.cobalt.com, I did the initial port :) 03:45:19 B: http://cobalt22.cobalt.com, from shagster 03:45:46 dead links for me 03:46:16 Maybe the killed it since Sun bought cobalt 03:46:32 works for me 03:46:43 Yes, I've actually had Linux ignore my patches.. 03:47:06 what did you do for the cobalt? 03:47:12 and does linus really ignore patches? 03:47:13 "14-Jun-2000 Mat continues to be the Man: " 03:47:37 Heh, it still says that? LOL 03:48:04 talli: I help start porting the 2.2/2.4 kernel to it 03:48:06 ok, now i get the site 03:48:09 wow, cool 03:48:48 But the mips kernel guys have taken it and ran with it... 03:49:03 Leaving me more time for non-kernel stuff 03:49:05 does the cobalt run nicely with linux? 03:49:22 Oh, they run as great...for their purpose... 03:49:25 http://www.cobalt.com 03:49:26 C: http://www.cobalt.com from shagster 03:49:35 yeah, i saw that 03:49:43 their purpose? 03:49:57 I have a older Cobalt I'm thinking of attempting to get OpenACS running on... 03:50:11 they're just good web servers? 03:50:34 basically web/email servers for simple apache based websites... 03:50:57 Install a 1U rack unit, run 50-200 sites on it... 03:51:12 Use less power than a light bulb 03:51:30 that's plenty 03:51:49 would they be worth running a db on? 03:51:56 or just a front end AOLserver box? 03:52:25 Well, the i386 machines would make nice db/aolserver combo's I think... 03:52:45 I'm going to test on a low-end mips cobalt and see.. 03:54:13 I have a 256MB 133Mhz version, I'm going to stick two IDE drivers in it and see how well in runs on it... 03:54:29 whoa 03:54:35 that's a tiny little sucker 03:54:49 one rack unit... 03:55:04 running the DB too, huh? 03:55:04 well, i guess an OACS site is easy on CPU, heavy on RAM 03:55:26 have you seen the dual-AMD 1Us that Penguin Computing sells? those look really nice 03:55:47 but RAM is cheap 03:55:51 That is my thinking, plus the MIPS processor (think SGI) can really run even under heavy load 03:56:17 Yea, Penguin Computing has always had nice boxes... 03:56:21 did you see one of the threads on /. about the Itanium vs. other CPUs? 03:56:30 we have a couple of penguins that work realy nicely 03:56:59 I try to avoid threads on /. :) 03:57:05 :) 03:57:11 mod 4 at least for me 03:57:42 I have actually taken so discard i386 raq's and modified them to nice virus scanning servers... 03:58:01 cool 03:58:06 I just look on the front page of slashdot... 04:00:07 But since OpenACS is so easy on CPU, I've been looking for a simple (and inexpesive) hosting "box' for it... 04:00:24 right, makes sense 04:00:44 Then create a pre-package "solution" for it (kernel mods, etc.) 04:01:08 whoa, that would be rad 04:01:17 like the Rocket Start servers aD useed to sell? 04:01:23 Yep... 04:01:25 only not 15K 04:01:47 I'm actually looking around the 2K-3K low end point.. 04:02:13 that would be great 04:02:15 Obviously if somebody had a high end client and needs a high end solution they should pay the higher price 04:02:27 for some of my clients that might be enough 04:02:56 shagster, you ever use Collabnet's SourceCast, or ever seen it? 04:03:20 I've looked at it...not seriously though 04:03:31 does it do anyting that the OACS can't? 04:03:37 (but I was a peer review for Collabnet) 04:03:53 yeah, i saw that. 04:04:04 I didn't see where it did anything that OACS didn't 04:04:20 and It lacked in a few areas, but I did compare it to 3.x 04:04:26 ah, i see 04:04:49 But I'm really still getting use to 4.x 04:05:08 workflow looks really nice though 04:06:06 workflow is really cool 04:06:13 lars doesn't screw things up too much 04:06:15 but in the near future, I see myself being more on the low-level/installation/hosting end of OACS 04:06:38 well, if you're interested in doing that, i may have some clients for oyu 04:07:20 Heh, somebody needs to be on that end :) 04:08:53 talli, that is good... 04:09:58 At some point I really need to see if I can get some of the serious OACS development companys and really see what they want for Installation/low-level area... 04:10:15 monitoring, that type of area... 04:10:27 if you want to find out what we're looking for, contact dave hill at dh@museatech.net 04:10:35 i know he's speccing for two clients right now 04:11:09 I'll do that 04:12:16 * shagster crashed mozilla 04:12:17 *grr* 04:13:07 * talli applauds shagster for stopping the monster Mozilla and saving the good people of Tokyo 04:13:23 Heh.... 04:14:02 Hey, the ultimategamemachine (sister show of junkyard wars) is using uptime! 04:14:03 no... mozilla's the good moster, isn't it? 04:17:09 http://uptime.openacs.org/uptime/reports.tcl?monitor_id=7147 04:17:10 D: http://uptime.openacs.org/uptime/reports.tcl?monitor_id=7147 from shagster 04:18:21 Of course, I love this one: http://uptime.openacs.org/uptime/reports.tcl?monitor_id=5181 04:18:39 OpenACS monitoring zope.org :) 04:18:48 no 04:18:54 !!! 04:19:24 Well, it is I member page, but basically the entire site! 04:19:54 not too reliable 04:20:38 it is Simon, he post on the Forums.... 04:21:02 I just find in amussing (since they can't have a simular function) 04:21:29 well, you know what they use for their developer discussions? 04:21:39 No, do you? 04:21:43 yahoo! groups 04:21:49 hah! 04:21:59 yeah. some "collaborative" software 04:22:08 Only time I used that is when h2g2 was down 04:22:34 1819 URLs monitored; 312 are current marked unreachable, of which 252 are considered stale. In other words, 4% of the actively monitored 04:22:36 URLs are unreachable. 04:22:51 1819 sites in uptime....kewl! 04:23:02 that's quite a few 04:23:07 running on oracle or pG? 04:23:18 postgres 04:23:21 nice 04:23:32 have you found a reason to use Oracle yet? 04:23:48 I did the conversion went they sent the first 'uptime is going away' page 04:23:55 Not really... 04:24:01 * shagster plus I"m too cheap! 04:24:02 we have yet to run across a project that really truly needed oracle 04:24:02 :) 04:24:30 what do you think PG's scalability may be like? 04:24:30 Unless you're doing high end finicials or such, I can't really think of one... 04:24:46 do you think it's more scalable than oracle? 04:24:52 I think it would scale well 04:24:59 maybe just throw more hardware at it if you need more work? 04:25:18 Until they have replication they'll still be a bit behind.. 04:25:47 Actually system configuration/app configuration before hardware for scaling... 04:26:00 postgres stock is really low-end... 04:26:07 right, well assuming that was done 04:26:17 what do you mean? 04:26:30 I think for mid-sized installation, postgres would compete 04:26:47 what's midsized, though? 04:26:57 100K hits per day? 1MM hits per day? 04:27:03 A stock install of postgres really need to be tweaked.. 04:27:17