IRC log of openacs on 2002-02-18

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02:08:10 [rzolf]
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02:08:20 [rzolf]
hey talli.
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16:39:50 [talli]
anybody home <echo> home ... home... home...</echo>
16:53:16 [davb]
hi
16:53:18 [davb]
:)
17:04:27 [talli]
yo davb, que pasa?
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17:25:07 [davb]
* davb returns
17:25:13 [davb]
sorry, I was cooking chili :)
17:25:24 [talli]
damn chili!
17:25:30 [talli]
taking my davb away from me!
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17:34:49 [talli]
bring your pants this time, vinod?
17:35:06 [davb]
uh, hi vinod :)
17:35:26 [vinod]
hey davb!
17:35:38 [vinod]
i saw once again - pants are overrated
17:35:43 [vinod]
s/saw/say
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17:48:09 [talli]
the enterprise wars have escalated
17:48:27 [vinod]
igorrolf?
17:48:41 [talli]
the humpbacked lackey
17:48:47 [vinod]
haha
17:48:56 [talli]
and it's igorzolf, to you, veenod
17:49:20 [vinod]
a thousand apologies
17:50:39 [vinod]
i think talli should add a 'z' to his name
17:50:54 [vinod]
tzalli?
17:50:56 [talli]
tazlli? talliz?
17:51:01 [talli]
tzalli is too israeli.
17:51:04 [vinod]
tazli is cool too
17:51:06 [talli]
so is talliz
17:51:08 [davb]
talzli
17:51:14 [talli]
that's a good one
17:51:36 [talli]
how about an X?
17:51:40 [talli]
taxlli?
17:51:45 [talli]
talixili?
17:51:54 [vinod]
yes!
17:52:06 [talli]
talli is now known as talixili
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17:53:15 [zinod]
see, this is the kind of brainstorming we need to find a new name for openacs
17:53:16 [talixili]
zinod, i think you should add a q to your name
17:53:18 [talixili]
qinod
17:53:29 [dazvb]
zinqod
17:53:38 [talixili]
ooo... that's a good one dazvb
17:53:59 [zinod]
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17:54:00 [talixili]
dazvb, you need an l. davzlb
17:54:07 [zinqod]
haha
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17:54:15 [davzlb]
cool
17:54:31 [davzlb]
OqenZcs
17:54:34 [zinqod]
heh, rzolf's got nuthin on us now
17:54:44 [zinqod]
davzlb: yes!
17:55:01 [davzlb]
OlqenZcs
17:55:11 [zinqod]
"if you can pronounce it, we'll let you download it"
17:55:48 [talixili]
perfect!
17:55:54 [talixili]
let's poll it!
18:25:23 [talixili]
what holiday is today? is it president's day?
18:25:40 [davzlb]
yes
18:25:50 [talixili]
thanks
18:40:18 [davzlb]
http://www.onlinecommunityreport.com/features/10
18:40:18 [chump]
A: http://www.onlinecommunityreport.com/features/10 from davzlb
18:40:29 [davzlb]
A:|Top Ten Trends in Online Communities
18:40:30 [chump]
titled item A
18:51:49 [talixili]
that's an interesting article
18:52:08 [talixili]
some of it seems pretty obvious, but maybe that's because we work in web communities so much.
18:58:35 [davzlb]
yeah. but its a good reminder :)
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19:30:07 [zinqod]
of course, his idea of "success" seems to be revenue. i wonder how many of those models are profitable
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19:30:27 [zinqod]
theglobe.com had revenue of $30M at one point, too
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19:31:01 [talixili]
kintera.com, grassroots.com and all the other NPO asps are probably sucking wind right now
19:38:20 [k2pts]
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19:38:28 [talixili]
hey k2pts
19:38:37 [k2pts]
hit talixili
19:38:42 [k2pts]
s/hit/hey
19:38:43 [k2pts]
:)
19:38:43 [talixili]
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19:39:36 [zinqod]
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19:39:53 [k2pts]
hey vinod :)
19:40:04 [vinod]
hey k2pts
19:42:04 [davb]
hi k2pts
19:42:59 [k2pts]
hey dave, how's it going?
19:43:18 [davb]
not bad.
19:44:19 [davb]
not good, but not bad :)
19:46:18 [Starets]
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19:46:56 [k2pts]
hey starets.
19:47:10 [Starets]
Hey Neophytos!
19:47:34 [k2pts]
that article you linked the other day describes a similar mechanism as the tree_sortkey one...but that mechanism is slower because it self-joins a table
19:48:46 [Starets]
A self-join would be slower than a one-table op, although the index types in the nested set mechanism give it good locality.
19:49:03 [Starets]
I'd bet that in practice, retrieval times are comparable.
19:49:55 [Starets]
On large datasets, I'd bet that updates, inserts and deletes might be slower on nested sets than tree_sortkey, but nested sets to not require monkeying around with the tree_sortkey column on non-Oracle datasets.
19:50:09 [Starets]
non-Oracle databases that is. (Who typed _that_?)
19:50:41 [k2pts]
maybe, i can't comment on the locality issue but remember that the tree_sortkey mechanism use indices pretty well
19:50:56 [Starets]
I'm sure that tree_sortkey is a win on Oracle, but I'd bet it doesn't compete as well on other platforms.
19:51:09 [Starets]
(at least ones that don't implement "collect")
19:51:36 [k2pts]
tree_sortkey was initially developed in postgresql because pg doesn't support "connect by"
19:52:02 [Starets]
right, I meant "connect by". I think I need a nap.
19:52:30 [k2pts]
this is what I'm saying: it doesn't need the "connect by"
19:52:36 [k2pts]
it replaces it
19:54:51 [Starets]
I can't see arguing about their relative performance without some empirical data.
19:55:10 [Starets]
But I think they're really not similar.
19:55:14 [k2pts]
right
19:57:15 [Starets]
Thanks for looking into it, though, and for educating me about tree_sortkey.
19:57:26 [k2pts]
np
19:57:47 [k2pts]
have to head out guys, later
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20:28:07 [davb]
http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000168
20:28:07 [chump]
B: http://www.aaronsw.com/weblog/000168 from davb
20:28:19 [davb]
B:|Students, Teachers, and Dragons
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titled item B
20:28:43 [davb]
B: story based learning
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commented item B
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20:29:28 [davb]
http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/
20:29:28 [chump]
C: http://www.eastgate.com/Tinderbox/ from davb
20:30:00 [davb]
C:|Tinderbox: Personal Content Management Assistant, or "the tool for notes"
20:30:00 [chump]
titled item C
20:30:32 [davb]
c: argh, only for Macintosh for now :<
20:32:02 [davb]
brb: going back the the light side
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21:04:10 [talli]
en guarde
21:04:14 [davb]
hi denshi
21:04:22 [denshi]
howdy davb.
21:05:01 [denshi]
talli, you should know that when I become a Zen Master, you will be first to be roasted with my laser eye-beams.
21:05:15 [talli]
right.
21:05:24 [denshi]
oh, wait, that's when I build my robot army. Sorry, wrong notebook.
21:05:28 [talli]
will you need a booster seat to use those eye beams?
21:05:45 [denshi]
bad weekend?
21:06:30 [talli]
an "enterprising" weekend
21:07:42 [denshi]
ah, excellent.
21:13:17 [denshi]
on sunday I really dug into TOra. ignore most of what I said last time. This postgres work could be easier than planned.
21:13:36 [denshi]
then my root disk had a head crash. cute.
21:13:42 [talli]
does it look cool?
21:13:57 [talli]
did you speak with that belgian dude at all?
21:14:33 [denshi]
I just sent the email today. I haven't had time to explore feasibility really throughly until this weekend.
21:14:42 [talli]
cool
21:14:57 [denshi]
there are two other guys who submit pgsql patches -- first I must know if he's contacted them yet.
21:15:10 [talli]
right
21:15:27 [denshi]
what do you think about OACS-mode hacks?
21:15:53 [talli]
i think they sounded killer
21:16:10 [talli]
especially if they can be built to work with Oracle and PG
21:17:02 [denshi]
* denshi goes back to bboard to fight talli off.
21:17:28 [talli]
careful what you quest for, my son
21:18:21 [denshi]
but you really shouldn't ask for haiku, old man.
21:18:46 [talli]
you prefer the sonnet form?
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* denshi hides
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* vinod is waiting for a piece of those "biiig profits!"
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22:29:46 [denshi]
bye guys
22:30:31 [davb]
bye
22:30:40 [davb]
oops....too much habenero sauce...
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