00:06:56 vinod (~vinod@207-172-97-178.s178.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 00:38:18 docwolf has quit ("What happens if i press this bu") 01:03:27 davb (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-161-172.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 02:59:16 davb has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03:15:47 davb (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-161-172.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 03:28:12 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.23.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 03:46:47 anyone know of a pl/[pg]sql 'url_encode" type function offhand? 03:47:07 i do 03:47:22 * vinod listens intently 03:47:34 it's called "stick it up your ass" 03:47:44 sorry, i tried to think of something more creative 03:47:46 couldn't 03:48:06 no such command "stick it up your ass" 03:48:13 did i type it right? 03:48:43 * vinod banishes talli to #zope 03:48:45 uh, emphasize the it. stick IT up your ass 03:49:06 * talli send vinod to #mysql 03:49:18 aaaaah! 03:49:40 don't mess with me, rookie. i got all the IRC skillZ 03:50:23 * talli tries to figure out how to make his name blink 03:50:36 and scroll, too 03:51:09 to make it blink, just hit the "on/off" switch on your monitor repeatedly 03:51:18 to scroll, drop your monitor 03:51:30 ah, caveman hacking 03:51:55 the successor to eXtreme programming, right? 03:52:03 haha 03:52:19 i would hate to know your interpretation of cybersex 03:52:41 cybersex isn't interpreted, it's compiled 03:52:44 sheesh! 03:52:49 oh man 03:52:51 lol 03:53:12 where's markd2? i need a ruling if that's good enough for the quote file... 03:53:16 haha 03:53:47 i think he's intentionally ignoring us 03:54:05 btw, vinod, you have just doomed yourself to a life of loneliness 03:56:41 * markd2 rules it is good enough for the quote file 03:56:46 i don't even know what we're talking about anymore 03:56:50 woohoo! 03:57:05 * vinod stops programming for the day 03:57:11 time to start working on tomorrow' 03:57:19 tomorrow's quote 04:00:43 * markd2 sings 04:00:49 Tomorrow! Tomorrow! 04:00:53 I'll Quota ya! Tomorrow! 04:00:57 It's just Vinod and Talli 04:01:01 * markd2 stops singing (thank god) 04:01:08 thank bork! 04:01:28 * vinod doesn't like seeing vinod and talli mentioned in the same sentence 04:01:36 ack! there it is again! 04:02:52 it's everywhere 04:03:17 davb has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:04:31 markd2, what is borkware? 04:04:41 borkware is as borkware does 04:04:49 it's also my AIM screen name 04:05:33 what do the snuffpuppets have to do with your AIM id? 04:05:40 I googled for my AIM ID 04:05:52 and found the borkware luggage and stick-figure guy 04:06:01 who happened to be link off the snuffpuppets 04:06:10 the snuffpuppets were so weird, I just had to include the 04:15:34 we sublet some space from these guys in cambrige: http://www.livesexact.net 04:15:49 they put electronic drums in teddy bear heads and then hit them 05:02:03 markd2 has quit ("wheeeee") 05:06:29 andyn has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05:45:45 andyn (~andy@12-254-190-230.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 09:30:28 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 13:13:51 [Global Notice] Hi all. Non-critical network announcements can be found from time to time on WALLOPS. To tune in, try one of the following commands: /umode +w, /mode +w, /quote mode +w, /rawmode mode +w. Thank you for using OPN and have a great day! 13:34:18 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.65.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 13:40:31 davb (~dave@rrcs-nys-24-97-22-203.biz.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:43:33 echarp (manu@r38m112.cybercable.tm.fr) has joined #openacs 14:36:39 'morning / 'afternoon 14:36:51 hello markd2 14:37:44 hi 14:37:50 yo davb 15:24:12 [Global Notice] Hi all. Non-critical network announcements can be found from time to time on WALLOPS. To tune in, try one of the following commands: /umode +w, /mode +w, /quote mode +w, /rawmode mode +w. Thank you for using OPN and have a great day! 15:27:05 til (~tils@port-212-202-128-195.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 15:35:53 zooko_cooking_breakfast (~zooko@140.184.83.37) has joined #openacs 15:35:55 zooko_cooking_breakfast is now known as zooko 15:39:20 * markd2 wonders about folks who change their nick all the time to inform the world of their every detail, yet don't talk in the channel 15:39:41 zooko is now known as zooko_scratching_his_left_ear 15:39:45 heh 15:39:47 zooko_scratching_his_left_ear is now known as zooko 15:39:49 * zooko smiles. 15:39:49 :) 15:40:10 there's a guy on #wplug that does that easily 20-30 times a day. drives me nuts 15:40:11 * davb thinks they are waiting for the good stuff.... 15:40:12 Hey there. Some channels hate people who show up and immediately ask questions that they could have figured out by themselves. 15:40:37 I was wondering what programming language(s) the original OpenACS was written in, and I heard about #openacs from the FAQ, 15:40:48 and I always hang out on irc.openprojects.net anyway (#p2p-hackers, #mnet), so I popped in. 15:40:51 OpenACS has alway been in Tcl 15:40:52 col 15:40:56 But then I decided to keep reading FAQs instead of asking. ;-) 15:40:56 yeah. i t's been tcl 15:41:05 Interesting. 15:41:07 with some of the databases stored-procedure language 15:41:14 right. 15:41:16 pl/sql for oracle. not sure what it's called for postgresql 15:41:21 I guess the ACSv4 that the venture capitalists promulgated was going to be 100% Pure Java, right? 15:41:27 pl/pgsql (they are super creative) 15:41:29 But OpenACS -- modern OpenACS -- is still Tcl? 15:41:32 yes 15:41:36 Thanks for the answers. 15:41:43 the second Java ACS should have been called '5.0' 15:41:49 since it had no relationship whatsoever to the acs 4 15:41:56 Ah. 15:41:56 calling it "4.6" was a disservice 15:41:56 * zooko nods. 15:42:18 to add to the confusion, there was an acs java based on acs 4 tcl, but it was a conversion of tcl/adp => jsp 15:42:34 the death-blow acs/java 4.6 is has no architectural relationship to what we paly with around here 15:42:37 s/paly/play 15:43:57 * zooko nods. 15:44:47 I'm interested in programming languages, and I hate the "Everything should be 100% Pure Java" campaign, so I wanted to collect this story as a data point for my own personal world view. 15:44:56 I'm not aware of any other major, living effort that uses Tcl. 15:45:16 I hope it doesn't offend to say so, but it seems like Tcl, having lost its Tk monopoly, is moving pretty slow nowadays. 15:45:34 it's also pretty feature complete 15:45:57 on the FC bboards about aD's demise, folks are comparing Tcl to the clean/maintainable subset of Perl that many pros use 15:46:07 * zooko nods. 15:46:10 Interesting comparison. 15:46:11 if you're into languages, catch Denshi when he's around. He's a nut 15:46:27 I've used Perl quite a bit, but the only Tcl that I've used was a summer of developing DejaGNU test suites for PGP. 15:46:36 cool 15:46:38 I really hated it, but I later realized that some of the problems were with DejaGNU instead of with Tcl itself. 15:46:50 I like tcl. Any language you can mater in a couple of hours is OK by me :-) 15:47:01 (The big problem was that any syntax error in any of my Tcl scripts would result in an identical DejaGNU error message: "Error eval'ing code.".) 15:47:10 It wouldn't tell me which script, or what the error was. Boy did that suck. 15:47:19 Yeah, it was easy to learn how Tcl worked. 15:47:20 sounds like a dejuGNU problem 15:47:27 I get tons of stack traces in my day-to-day work :-) 15:47:34 (too many in fact. getting sloppy in my old age) 15:47:49 Yeah. I'll be willing to give Tcl another chance now that I've figured out it was DejaGNU's problem. 15:49:39 markd2: thanks. I just read the hole acts of gord :) 15:50:06 s/hole/whole (argh) 15:50:41 Acts of Gord ruls(tm) 15:50:41 Well I'd better be testing my demo for CodeCon . 15:50:46 I'll lurk in here for awhile... 15:50:47 cool 16:04:38 zooko is now known as zooko_testing_mnet 16:10:20 hmmmm uptime has been having problems on an off with my domains over at cornerhost... 16:24:15 zooko_testing_mnet: welcome! seems like you've got the open mind OACS needs! 16:24:28 btw, RelishGuy (Roger Williams) for president!!! 16:32:28 anyone had problems sending mail to neophytos lately? his mail server rejects my mail, grr 16:33:33 Remote_host_said:_451_4.7.1_Please_try_again_later ... whatever that means 16:33:37 not me, although I haven't tried 16:33:58 disk full? :) 16:34:17 he should be back here sometime 16:35:01 * til waits 16:35:21 everybody should send him a mail to inform him that his server's disk is full 16:36:00 good idea. i also have a 5 MB jpeg and a 10 MB word file i was hoping he might take a look at. i'll attach them to the alert email. 16:36:26 i will include high-res screenshots of my mail server logs 16:37:10 * zooko_testing_mnet waves. 16:37:16 zooko_testing_mnet has left #openacs 16:45:19 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 16:45:25 hi guys 16:45:35 hey k2pts 16:45:44 TIL!!! HE'S HERE!!! 16:45:48 talli: I heart a rumour that there's gonna be a beta release if everybody votes for no name change 16:46:02 til's here? 16:46:14 k2pts, i hear a rumor that you're gonna get your butt kicked 16:46:25 29.3 at some point this morning 16:47:07 til: got my message? 16:47:33 hey k2pts! 16:47:40 hey til 16:48:19 talli is silence.... 16:48:25 s/silence/silent 16:48:35 my email is rejected by your email server ... maybe it's because i don't have an official dnsname for my machine, but never had problems with that before 16:48:54 it says: Connected_to_195.14.133.150_but_sender_was_rejected./Remote_host_said:_451_4.7.1_Please_try_again_later 16:49:05 yeah my ISP is screws things a bit from time to time 16:49:31 or maybe he is the only one on the net that does it right ... 16:49:31 send it to k2pts at yahoo.com 16:49:34 ok 16:49:56 no they really screw things but their monopoly...not for long I hope 16:50:04 (EU) 16:50:12 s/their/they are 16:50:21 brb 16:50:22 talli has left #openacs 16:50:53 has anybody seen philg's post about aolserver. that guy is incredible :) 16:52:10 Philip wrote: 16:52:11 It seems to me that nobody is using AOLserver. This makes me happy because it means I will never have to help a student debug a script. I can claim complete ignorance of every student's tools. I guess it also means that IIS is the rightful heir to the AOLserver legacy: threaded, built-in scripting, ADP-like page development (no surprise since ADP was copied from ASP). 16:52:25 http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000tbk&topic_id=22&topic=Ask%20Philip 16:52:25 A: http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000tbk&topic_id=22&topic=Ask%20Philip from k2pts 16:53:22 I think he is reformatting his HD to istall windows xp 16:53:26 :) 16:53:41 yeap 16:53:43 :) 16:54:22 there are more. in every message he doesn't forget to mention how good microsoft products are... 16:54:25 really incredible. 16:54:29 weird. 16:54:32 spooky. 16:55:04 He never mentions the cost of being locked in the MS trunk. 16:55:20 ah, and he always mentions of how weak microsoft's department for palmtop technology is...I wonder why... 16:55:31 :) 16:55:56 He hasn't really written anything interesting to me in a long time. 16:56:12 hey, the "book" was two years old when I found it. 16:56:23 I'm reading his bboard postings... 16:56:28 k2pts: nothing really to comment on 16:56:38 philip was just commenting on the choices the students have made 16:56:43 have you seen the paul graham thread? 16:57:16 markd2: yes, but "rightful heir to the AOLserver legacy" 16:57:18 ? 16:58:02 http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000taw&topic_id=22&topic=Ask%20Philip 16:58:02 B: http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000taw&topic_id=22&topic=Ask%20Philip from k2pts 16:58:06 in the eyes of the MIT students, sure 16:58:13 one of the reasons why I'd avoid hiring MIT graduates :-) 16:59:01 :) 17:00:25 But anyway if everyone were using something like Microsoft .NET common runtime the libraries for Java might just work for Lisp programmers and vice versa -- Philip 17:02:09 talli (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 17:03:29 I'm sorry to have to say this Phil, because I generally respect your opinions, but here you are talking nonsense, and you would do as well to just admit it instead of trying to spin your way out of it. 17:03:29 (I guess Philip didn't see that coming) 17:03:37 -- Paul Graham 17:03:59 now that I noticed, he did call him Phil... 17:05:36 next one is my favorite :) 17:05:40 Want an operating system that doesn't 17:05:41 have to spend 5 minutes fscking itself after a power interruption (cf. Mac OS 17:05:41 X)? Windows XP with NTFS. I think the only area where Microsoft hasn't 17:05:41 completely crushed the competition yet is in Palm-style devices. Those 17:05:41 PocketPCs are so power hungry that you have to recharge them every night, as 17:05:41 opposed to a black and white Palm that can run for a month on AA batteries. 17:06:05 http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000tb2&topic_id=22&topic=Ask%20Philip 17:06:05 C: http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000tb2&topic_id=22&topic=Ask%20Philip from k2pts 17:08:42 well, guan yang is a bit of a sycophant. he kinda goes all around the web and kisses the butt of the big wonks. he was the guy that kept the whole aD soap opera alive by posting all the lawsuit crap 17:09:54 a *bit* of a sycophant? heh 17:10:20 yeah, well i tried to be nice if he ever googled for his name :) 17:10:26 talli: where have you been? did you collect more votes for your poll choice? 17:10:39 phone. brb 17:10:51 til: are you still there? 17:11:11 k2pts: yes 17:11:17 have you sent it? 17:11:24 yes 17:11:47 yahoo accepted it, according to my mail servers log 17:12:10 strange, they did say they were having an upgrade but it was not until tomorrow morning 17:12:33 perhaps this is why it needs one :) 17:12:47 probably 17:17:19 bbiam 17:17:20 k2pts has left #openacs 17:18:46 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 17:20:25 echarp is now known as ecGoHome 17:23:49 shagster (~mkovach@web1.alal.com) has joined #openacs 17:30:13 Dear Customer, 17:30:13 We would like to inform you that in our effort to provide you with the best quality of service we are planning an upgrade of our network. The upgrade will begin at 05:00 am on Wednesday February 13th 2002 and it will have a maximum duration of two (2) hours. During that time you will not be able to retrieve your emails from your mailbox while you will be able to send. Please note that all the other Cytanet services will work as normal and that 17:30:13 no emails will be lost. 17:30:13 Please accept our apologies for any inconvenience that this upgrade may cause to you. 17:30:49 that's not until 22 hours from now... 17:32:10 * markd2 schedules some important email to k2pts in 22.1 hours 17:32:23 :) 17:38:44 markd2: it seems you have had a nice time last night with vinod and talli -- disclaimer: my english are not that good. don't be offended :) 17:38:58 heh 17:39:13 yeah, I always enjoy seeing talli and vinod PERFORM together 17:39:30 I hope vinod won't see that last post... 17:40:04 how old is vinod? 17:40:22 youngish 17:40:32 mid-thirties or below 17:40:36 ok 17:40:45 * markd2 tries to figure that out in metric 17:40:48 heh 17:40:56 dave how old are u? 17:41:04 30 11/12s 17:41:35 got about 3 years on ya :-) 17:41:39 too old to be starting a CS degree 17:42:00 I knew I should have spent the last 14 years or so playing games... 17:42:10 davb hopes that we'll release openacs on his birthday. that's why he didn't vote for noname change 17:42:18 :) 17:42:46 Actually I do hope its released near my birthday :) that will coincide nicely with this project. 17:42:55 talli: still on the phone? 17:43:12 he must be if he didn't respond to markd2 back there 17:43:16 I think that last post might get some more votes for "OpenACS" 17:43:42 davb: have you read the chatlogs? 17:44:08 i would hate to know your interpretation of cybersex 17:44:09 03:52:41 cybersex isn't interpreted, it's compiled 17:44:09 03:52:44 sheesh! 17:44:09 03:52:49 oh man 17:44:09 03:52:51 lol 17:44:09 03:53:12 where's markd2? i need a ruling if that's good enough for the quote file... 17:44:17 heh 17:44:21 i missed that one. 17:44:26 Starets (petej@fellspt.charm.net) has joined #openacs 17:44:43 hi Starets 17:44:49 and indeed, it made it into my quotes file 17:45:00 I was just checking 17:45:01 * vinod banishes talli to #zope 17:45:01 03:48:45 uh, emphasize the it. stick IT up your ass 17:45:01 03:49:06 * talli send vinod to #mysql 17:45:01 03:49:18 aaaaah! 17:45:01 03:49:40 don't mess with me, rookie. i got all the IRC skillZ 17:45:02 03:50:23 * talli tries to figure out how to make his name blink 17:45:04 03:50:36 and scroll, too 17:45:06 03:51:09 to make it blink, just hit the "on/off" switch on your monitor repeatedly 17:45:08 03:51:18 to scroll, drop your monitor 17:45:10 03:51:30 ah, caveman hacking 17:45:12 03:51:55 the successor to eXtreme programming, right? 17:45:14 03:52:03 haha 17:45:18 what about that one? 17:45:52 pretty funny 17:45:58 those two should do a stand-up act 17:46:05 yeah :) 17:46:07 lunch time. bbl 17:46:09 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 17:46:16 I was reading...it's more funny than cartoons :) 17:49:14 til has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18:01:21 k2pts has left #openacs 18:05:57 talilee (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 18:05:57 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:06:02 talilee is now known as talli 18:08:49 vinod (~vinod@209-122-233-213.s2023.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 18:09:17 oh well, la dee da, look who's coming waltzing back 18:09:45 hello, vinod 18:09:59 * talli goes to wash his keyboard after spelling HIS name 18:10:04 waltzing? I was struttin! 18:11:06 like a peacock? with your feathers up? showing off for the babes? 18:11:27 i bet the patients really appreciated that 18:11:36 next time, try strutting with your pants ON 18:12:05 pants are overrated 18:12:55 ecGoHome is now known as echarp 18:13:32 but pantaloons... no there's an IDEA! 18:13:53 pantaloons would be comfortable, i think 18:15:19 http://www.tdrinc.com/genghis.html 18:16:25 whoa. their side vented 18:17:03 so when you fart, the gas can escape rather than fill up the pantalloons like a hot air balloon. 18:17:04 heh - i'm not going to comment on that feature 18:17:07 that's smart 18:17:21 oh my 18:17:47 I think I better get a waterproof monitor, or stop drinking while reading this channel 18:17:56 lol 18:18:03 exactly 18:18:04 oh c'mon davb, like you never filled up your pants with gas. 18:19:18 hey vinod, i'm thinkin' of having a beantown social sometime soon 18:19:27 cool. only 3 hours away 18:19:29 davb, could you make boston for a social? 18:19:32 cool! 18:19:34 excellent 18:19:53 maybe you'll let me know a couple days in advance, unlike the portland one? 18:20:14 vinod: what's wrong, you jet was being serviced that day? 18:21:03 davb, no, it just takes vinod a few days to program his VCR to record Star Trek 18:21:14 haha 18:21:17 heh 18:21:18 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.75.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 18:21:20 sorry, vinod. i'll be more thoughtful next time 18:21:58 apology accepted (since i'm sure it's not genuine) 18:22:23 neither is my love 18:22:40 or your gold teeth 18:24:08 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 18:24:33 who cares if the love is genuine 18:24:40 so long as I get my $19.99/month's worth 18:24:46 uh. wrong window 18:24:47 (I hope) 18:25:34 $19.99/month - that's some hi-class p0rn! 18:25:44 hey vinod 18:25:50 hey k2pts! 18:26:01 had fun reading the chatlogs this morning :) 18:26:20 vinod, how much are you charging for your webcam nowadays? 18:26:35 Starets has left #openacs 18:27:19 i've got my nickels together, and i want to support your art 18:27:54 it's a graded pricing scheme, how much money you got? 18:28:35 enough for a shirt and (hopefully) your socks 18:28:53 the socks are pretty hardcore 18:29:00 might want t work up to those 18:29:05 maybe start with a comb or an old toothbrush 18:30:36 http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000taw&topic_id=22&topic=Ask%20Philip 18:30:36 D: http://philip.greenspun.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=000taw&topic_id=22&topic=Ask%20Philip from talli 18:30:49 D: Red Hat grabs last of Arsdigita 18:30:49 commented item D 18:31:08 D: The company was profitable at its outset in 1998, co-founder Eve Andersson said on a Web site chronicling ArsDigita's demise. But it faltered after an attempt to follow the start-up route of venture capital funding and expansion. 18:31:08 commented item D 18:31:23 wrong link? 18:31:26 i don't think eve has much of a chance of getting VC funding again 18:31:31 whoops, you're right 18:31:57 D: correct link: http://news.com.com/2100-1001-834607.html?tag=cd_mh 18:31:57 commented item D 18:37:27 markd2: i like your aD-is-history paragraph 18:37:36 except for the line "I don't have an agenda to put forward" 18:37:59 i'd like to hear about the demise of aD from the pro-balloon perspective 18:39:16 i think aD used a teddy bear twist when it should have just done a ballie and lock 18:39:39 vinod: where's the aD-is-history paragraph? 18:39:40 how's that? 18:39:51 http://badgertronics.com/blog/ 18:39:51 E: http://badgertronics.com/blog/ from vinod 18:40:01 thx 18:40:25