IRC log of openacs on 2002-02-08

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00:19:19 [docwolf]
hi vinod
00:20:01 [markd2]
hi vonid
00:27:04 [vinod]
hey guys
00:27:12 [vinod]
vonid?
00:27:56 [markd2]
sounded better than dinov
00:28:07 [docwolf]
vonid
00:28:12 [docwolf]
has a nice ring
00:28:20 [vinod]
is that the new openacs name?
00:29:58 [docwolf]
i think we should keep the ArsDigita name
00:30:46 [docwolf]
see how long we can keep it going before anyone notices that the company died.
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00:31:21 [vinod]
haha
00:31:37 [docwolf]
it looks like the demise is pretty brutal, though... FC is showing no mercy
00:32:01 [vinod]
really?
00:32:10 [docwolf]
ugh. you should read some of those posts
00:32:26 [docwolf]
some are genuinely funny.. others just mean-spirited.
00:32:46 [docwolf]
http://forum.fuckedcompany.com/phpcomments/index.php?newsid=82497&page=7&parentid=0&crapfilter=1
00:32:47 [chump]
A: http://forum.fuckedcompany.com/phpcomments/index.php?newsid=82497&page=7&parentid=0&crapfilter=1 from docwolf
00:32:59 [docwolf]
i think some people are taking it too seriously.
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00:33:40 [docwolf]
"Kidnap his dog and demand a $5 million ransom.
00:34:12 [docwolf]
"I'm a fuckedcompany addict and know the first five digits of pi. Plus I know enough spanish to get drunk in Guatamala. What are my chances with this girl here? Be brutally honest with me.
00:34:53 [vinod]
ouch
00:35:04 [docwolf]
someone even posted pretending to be peter at ybos..
00:35:09 [docwolf]
at least i _hope_ he was pretending
00:36:44 [vinod]
"Puh-leeeze. This is fuckedcompany, not the sensitive ponytailed men's club. You, my friend, missed out on some interesting after work parties.
00:37:59 [vinod]
i remember why i avoid fc.com :-)
00:38:56 [docwolf]
hehe
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01:16:11 [vinod]
hey davb
01:16:11 [davb]
hello
01:16:16 [davb]
howdy vinod
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03:27:07 [jim]
ooohhh, damn they left
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04:08:42 [jim]
Hi,,,
04:09:18 [jim]
anyone here? I just got oacs from cvs, now I want to get all the packages too :)
04:09:26 [jim]
can I get em all in one shot?
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13:57:10 [docwolf]
uh oh
13:57:17 [docwolf]
here comes trouble
13:58:18 [markd2]
aD on /.?
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14:00:10 [davb]
hi
14:00:31 [docwolf]
yeah
14:00:39 [docwolf]
this might get ugly
14:01:50 [docwolf]
haha
14:01:53 [docwolf]
i wonder who wrote that
14:13:42 [shagster]
It is a bit to grammatically correct for me to have wrote it :)
14:14:01 [shagster]
I say it was davb :)
14:21:44 [davb]
definitely wasn't me then :)
14:32:48 [davb]
* davb resists the urge to read slashdot...
14:33:08 [markd2]
wait til there are lots of comments to slog through
14:35:41 [davb]
yeah probably after lunch when I am _really_ bored
14:54:53 [davb]
* davb thinks its time to try to get NSSoap working again.
15:03:19 [docwolf]
hmm
15:03:25 [docwolf]
that's an odd post by peterv on slashdot
15:03:48 [docwolf]
" Also, we've been enhancing the ACS-Tcl steadily for the last year; it's a totally different project than what Ars Digita has for download -- more stable, faster, better features, etc. OpenACS is nice, but it's still all alpha code. And if you think their 4.X product works with Postgres, you haven't read very carefully. They've been releasing OpenACS 4.X sites on Oracle this year.
15:04:07 [docwolf]
why would he feel the need to tear down openacs?
15:06:27 [markd2]
who's peterv?
15:06:36 [docwolf]
he runs ybos
15:06:50 [docwolf]
http://www.ybos.net
15:06:50 [chump]
B: http://www.ybos.net from docwolf
15:08:45 [markd2]
probably a way to drum up business
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15:51:46 [davb]
hi vinod
15:54:11 [vinod]
hey davb
15:56:47 [vinod]
i read the acs-workflow docs last night - quite enjoyable
15:56:57 [vinod]
felt like i learned something :-)
15:57:21 [davb]
yeah they are great.
15:57:39 [vinod]
although he lost me when he started talking about giving places "colors" using XML and XSLT
15:57:56 [davb]
I must have skipped over that part.
15:58:00 [vinod]
but i figured that was just some grand future state that will never happen :-)
15:58:20 [davb]
I wonder where all the code that ybos supposedly added is?
15:58:27 [davb]
it sure is not avaialbe at ybos.net
16:00:02 [vinod]
what's up with that guy? dissin openacs like that
16:00:50 [davb]
I am not sure. I doubt customers read slashdot to find developers.
16:02:37 [vinod]
but i'm sure it drives traffic to his site, increases name awareness - plus it's free
16:02:45 [davb]
that is true.
16:03:03 [markd2]
guess he's not worried about alienating the community
16:03:11 [davb]
I asked him where the code is over at ybos.net. I asked nicely :)
16:03:41 [vinod]
* vinod feels alienated
16:04:01 [davb]
* davb knew vinod was an alien
16:04:18 [vinod]
haha - i thought i'd get away with that one without talli around
16:05:54 [shagster]
Can I asked him, un-nicely :)
16:06:20 [vinod]
* vinod starts to get a posse together
16:07:14 [shagster]
I can be a realy b*stard :)
16:07:23 [davb]
I suspect OpenACS is a better platform to build on. They probably just fixed things so they work. We we busy building a database abstraction, adding postgreql support, plus fixing icky old code.
16:08:23 [shagster]
There is also a big difference between writting code specifically for clients and creating the tool kits
16:09:19 [davb]
yep
16:09:42 [davb]
anyone, I am much more interested in the possibility of a new space quest game.
16:10:05 [docwolf]
ugh
16:10:16 [docwolf]
peterv..
16:12:48 [shagster]
plug 'em
16:16:36 [davb]
damn, I didn't even make it until lunch
16:16:47 [shagster]
shame on you...
16:16:48 [vinod]
let's see... he dismisses don and ben as power freaks and then says: If you want a copy of our most recent ACS, just drop me a line, or info at ybos dot net, someone will send you our source tree with enhancements. At any rate, there's no reason to be rude. I wasn't rude to you.
16:16:49 [davb]
pointless meeting will do that to you
16:17:44 [shagster]
Ben and Don as power freaks? Ben and Don of openacs?
16:17:57 [shagster]
The man must be a moron
16:18:01 [markd2]
everyone *knows* that chump is the big OACS power freak
16:18:10 [shagster]
I say, we plug 'em
16:18:13 [vinod]
well, i may be exaggerating but: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=27678&cid=2974431
16:18:32 [vinod]
* vinod privately massages chump's ego
16:18:36 [docwolf]
death to the chump
16:18:57 [shagster]
Vinod is play with chump's ...ummm... ego?
16:19:13 [docwolf]
hehe.. and it looks like someone dropped the bomb on philip
16:19:14 [shagster]
* shagster gets the video camera...geek p0rn
16:19:52 [vinod]
* vinod stops massaging
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* shagster hands vinod a tissue
16:25:06 [markd2]
zoinks
16:29:27 [vinod]
* vinod makes mental note to watch what i say around shagster
16:30:06 [vinod]
anyway - too much gossip in one morning - gotta go pretend to do real work
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16:33:52 [davb]
anyone ever do any XML stuff with expat?
16:34:54 [davb]
http://www.vivtek.com/xmltools/
16:34:54 [chump]
C: http://www.vivtek.com/xmltools/ from davb
16:35:18 [davb]
C:|xmltools: Command Lines Tools for XML, uses expat
16:35:18 [chump]
titled item C
16:45:14 [davb]
argh, they are not building...
17:12:04 [davb]
aha.
17:12:15 [davb]
I got TclSOAP working in tclsh.
17:16:03 [davb]
aha
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17:16:18 [davb]
TclXML, TclDOM, Tcl XSLT are all going to support libxml/libxslt.
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19:31:09 [davb]
so does anyone think that the news guys a while back got word of aD and redhat, but somehow got AOLserver/AOL mixed up?
19:32:51 [davb]
:)
19:34:06 [markd2]
heh
19:52:10 [davb]
http://www.creo.com/sixdegrees/product_info.html
19:52:11 [chump]
D: http://www.creo.com/sixdegrees/product_info.html from davb
19:52:18 [davb]
D:|Six Degress
19:52:18 [chump]
titled item D
19:52:45 [davb]
D: supposedly helps you organize stuff on you computer by maintaining a database of the relationships between files, email, etc.
19:52:45 [chump]
commented item D
19:53:00 [davb]
D: I want to know how it works. I am sure they don't want to tell me :)
19:53:00 [chump]
commented item D
19:53:43 [AaronSw]
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19:53:46 [AaronSw]
redhat?!
19:53:51 [AaronSw]
chump:view
19:53:51 [chump]
A: http://forum.fuckedcompany.com/phpcomments/index.php?newsid=82497&page=7&parentid=0&crapfilter=1
19:53:52 [chump]
B: http://www.ybos.net
19:53:53 [chump]
C: xmltools: Command Lines Tools for XML, uses expat (http://www.vivtek.com/xmltools/)
19:53:54 [chump]
D: Six Degress (http://www.creo.com/sixdegrees/product_info.html)
19:54:27 [davb]
hi AaronSw.
19:54:31 [AaronSw]
hello.
19:55:23 [AaronSw]
A::
19:55:23 [chump]
commented item A
19:55:26 [AaronSw]
ergh
19:55:28 [AaronSw]
A:
19:55:28 [chump]
http://forum.fuckedcompany.com/phpcomments/index.php?newsid=82497&page=7&parentid=0&crapfilter=1
19:55:29 [chump]
(AaronSw) :
19:55:52 [markd2]
heh
19:55:55 [markd2]
RedRum! RedRum!
19:56:19 [markd2]
http://forum.fuckedcompany.com/phpcomments/index.php?newsid=82497&page=1&parentid=0&crapfilter=1
19:56:23 [markd2]
obFC forum
19:56:53 [AaronSw]
@ lol @ "Kidnap his dog and demand a $5 million ransom
19:57:11 [davb]
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/news/fog0000000355.html
19:57:11 [chump]
E: http://www.joelonsoftware.com/news/fog0000000355.html from davb
19:57:23 [davb]
E:|Joel on Software on aD's departure
19:57:23 [chump]
titled item E
19:57:55 [davb]
E: he's wrong though, Open Source didn't kill aD
19:57:55 [chump]
commented item E
20:01:22 [AaronSw]
The Internet Exuberance era opened with Travels with Samantha?
20:02:29 [davb]
I am not sure exactly what he is talking about :)
20:11:53 [markd2]
whatever he's smoking, he's not sharing
20:12:08 [docwolf]
hehe
20:12:18 [docwolf]
i think joel fancies himself as a philg lite
20:12:26 [davb]
yeah
20:12:42 [AaronSw]
Duh. He originally named his company PaxDigita
20:13:07 [AaronSw]
All the insanity, less filling.
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20:22:53 [davb]
hi talli
20:23:00 [talli]
hey davb
20:23:47 [talli]
wow. some real idiots are coming out of the woodwork to comment on the aD is gone thread
20:24:44 [docwolf]
yeah. making fun of a poor, defenseless car like that
20:34:13 [denshi]
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20:34:58 [denshi]
hey talli
20:35:43 [denshi]
docwolf, can you recommend a comprehensive medical text on stitching and other flesh repair techniques?
20:37:52 [docwolf]
uh oh
20:37:58 [docwolf]
denshi, what did you do now?
20:38:28 [denshi]
what, you think that isn't valuable information for everyone to have?
20:38:33 [docwolf]
hehe
20:38:44 [davb]
oh my
20:38:52 [docwolf]
"learn by doing" was my motto
20:39:07 [davb]
denshi: did you see OnLisp is available for download from paul graham's site?
20:39:35 [denshi]
yes I did, davb. I haven't gotten it yet, though.
20:39:54 [davb]
ok. I knew you would be interested :)
20:41:06 [denshi]
maybe I should heed the words of King Missile and print it out before I leave work.
20:43:13 [davb]
did you also see this: http://www.readscheme.org/xml-web/
20:44:02 [denshi]
docwolf: I made an ass of myself at my periodontist b/c my stiches came out. Apparently the medical response to that is "yeah?" My complaint here is, what is medical common sense regarding stiches isn't found in the lay public.
20:44:57 [denshi]
http://google.com/search?q=cache:05qKlen5QoAC:mail.lab.net/lists/archive/lyrics/2000-May/000004.html+King+Missile+%22Take+Stuff+from+Work%22+lyrics&hl=en
20:44:57 [chump]
F: http://google.com/search?q=cache:05qKlen5QoAC:mail.lab.net/lists/archive/lyrics/2000-May/000004.html+King+Missile+%22Take+Stuff+from+Work%22+lyrics&hl=en from denshi
20:45:07 [denshi]
F: "Take Stuff from Work" by King Missile
20:45:07 [chump]
commented item F
20:45:11 [docwolf]
i'm not sure i understand the question about the stitches
20:45:22 [docwolf]
there's not much to them.
20:45:33 [docwolf]
they are sterile pieces of string, made out of a variety of materials.
20:45:43 [docwolf]
some types dissolve, other types do not.
20:46:05 [docwolf]
sometimes they can blow apart
20:46:07 [docwolf]
it happens.
20:46:25 [denshi]
bah. Go back to flogging rzolf.
20:46:30 [docwolf]
i've actually seen it happen dramatically, to a patient after abdominal surgery
20:46:35 [docwolf]
i came into the room
20:46:41 [docwolf]
and her intestines were hanging out
20:46:46 [docwolf]
"this isn't normal, is it doc?"
20:47:35 [denshi]
ugh. What's the longest op you've scrubbed in on?
20:47:49 [docwolf]
longest without me being able to leave...
20:47:56 [docwolf]
9 hours
20:48:11 [docwolf]
that was brutal
20:48:37 [docwolf]
(brutal because it was tedious, and all i was doing was retracting
20:49:14 [denshi]
I can't understand how you can ask a person you remain competent to cut people after that long. The Doc I noted above said he did a 17 hr "back when I was doing gut surgery".
20:49:53 [docwolf]
it depends on what you're doing
20:49:57 [docwolf]
sort of like when you sit down to code
20:50:08 [docwolf]
if you are really, really concentrating, the time can go by quickly.
20:50:18 [denshi]
When I sit down to code I'm allowed to revise mistakes.
20:50:25 [docwolf]
so, for the epic 9-hour-without-being-able-to-take-a-leak case i was in on
20:50:27 [davb]
http://timesshadow.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$985
20:50:27 [chump]
G: http://timesshadow.editthispage.com/stories/storyReader$985 from davb
20:50:39 [denshi]
When I sit down to code I'm also not wearing pants.
20:50:42 [davb]
G:| Man's Reach Should Exceed His Grasp, or What's a Metaphor?
20:50:42 [chump]
titled item G
20:50:50 [docwolf]
we were hooking up 2 pieces of large intestine. sort of like sewing 2 pieces of pipe together
20:51:11 [davb]
ok, both of those were more information than I needed
20:51:11 [docwolf]
the normal way to do it is with a staple gun that's round
20:51:13 [davb]
:)
20:51:27 [docwolf]
it's a neat tool, and can cut the procedure down to like an hour.
20:51:40 [docwolf]
.. but the old-timer i was with wanted to throw each stitch by hand instead.
20:52:04 [docwolf]
so, he did. And he had fun. He was able to concentrate for almost 10 hours on putting each stitch in.
20:52:24 [davb]
G: very much related to some ideas at [reciprocality|http://www.reciprocality.org]
20:52:24 [chump]
commented item G
20:52:37 [denshi]
That guy could eat the entire software field for breakfast.
20:53:47 [docwolf]
cool
20:53:59 [docwolf]
man, i was dead by the end of that case, though
20:54:07 [docwolf]
b/c all i was doing was holding back pieces of bowel
20:54:08 [docwolf]
and watching
20:54:18 [docwolf]
so, for me, time passed slowly.
20:54:33 [docwolf]
it's all about perception, i guess.
20:55:09 [davb]
G: "When I think of Agent Smith these days, I think of Dr. Laura.
20:55:09 [chump]
commented item G
20:55:22 [davb]
argh. I hate when I copy a CR
20:55:46 [davb]
heh, it will take you a month to read the stuff a reciprocality.org
20:56:39 [docwolf]
sigh.. crazy days.
20:56:41 [docwolf]
i miss surgery.
20:56:42 [denshi]
dammit. davb, you ask too much.
20:56:45 [docwolf]
but i don't miss the surgeons.
20:56:52 [denshi]
why's that?
20:56:59 [docwolf]
surgeons, as a rule, are assholes.
20:57:05 [docwolf]
(there, i said it..)
20:57:21 [docwolf]
where is vinod to back me up ;-)
20:58:31 [denshi]
vinod is going to read this log and think 'docwolf called me an asshole!'
20:58:42 [docwolf]
hehe
20:58:48 [docwolf]
vinod probably agrees with me
20:58:52 [denshi]
I assume you have formulated some theory to explain this phenomenon.
20:58:53 [docwolf]
though he'd never say it ;-)
20:59:01 [docwolf]
what? why surgeons are assholes?
20:59:04 [docwolf]
it's cultural
20:59:19 [docwolf]
it takes a certain personality to go into the field.
20:59:45 [docwolf]
there are exceptions, but as a rule surgeons can be difficult to deal with.
21:01:04 [docwolf]
the opposite extreme... pediatricians are generally nice people
21:01:10 [docwolf]
and dermatologists like working 9-5.
21:01:14 [docwolf]
there, i said it. :-)
21:02:04 [denshi]
ah, so given a balanced set of humans entering med school, the difficult people clump around the surgical subgroup.
21:02:17 [docwolf]
it is interesting how that works.
21:02:32 [denshi]
assuming, of course, that you found a balanced set of people entering med school at all...
21:02:36 [docwolf]
certain fields are just known to be more laid back than others.
21:02:39 [docwolf]
hehe
21:02:46 [docwolf]
it was not so balanced, i'm afraid
21:04:55 [docwolf]
must run. l8r
21:05:06 [denshi]
l8r. thx.
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22:15:57 [davb]
* davb blindly hacks C code to see what happens
22:21:40 [denshi]
it dumps core, you fool!
22:22:43 [davb]
heh
22:23:03 [davb]
no I am taking changed from one version of tcldom and additng it to nstcldom.
22:23:24 [davb]
oops.
22:23:44 [davb]
darn, its harder than it looks :)
22:25:29 [denshi]
* denshi urges davb to do a little rat dance on his keyboard.
22:25:45 [davb]
oh, that helps?
22:27:46 [denshi]
it's a dilbert joke.
22:27:47 [davb]
a pointer thingy wasn't defined. I added it in.
22:28:24 [davb]
I can't believe I missed a Dilbert Reference
22:28:32 [davb]
I'll have to read all the comics on Monday at work.
22:30:20 [davb]
ok, it built. lets see if it works.
22:31:37 [davb]
yippee! a different error message.
22:31:43 [davb]
thats progress in my book.
22:35:31 [davb]
I think I still missing something.
22:38:18 [davb]
hmmm no error message, but still doesn't look right.
22:38:34 [davb]
yeah! it worked.
22:41:01 [denshi]
I hope the IRC logs will be included in davb's CVS checking.
22:41:15 [denshi]
s/checking/checkin/
22:41:18 [davb]
heh
22:41:29 [davb]
luckily I don't have access quite yet :)
22:41:58 [davb]
although that is an interesting idea.
22:43:34 [davb]
oops, a new error.
22:43:42 [davb]
in the tcl code though.
22:43:46 [davb]
or rather my use of it :)
22:48:14 [denshi]
man, those fc boards are getting nasty. Yet more on topic than usual.
22:48:29 [docwolf]
haha
22:48:39 [davb]
aigh
22:48:40 [talli]
yes, particularly the revelations about rzolf and his cheese fetishes
22:48:48 [docwolf]
haha
22:48:53 [davb]
ah, not again, too much information....
22:48:55 [docwolf]
they are 100% accurate, i tell ya
22:49:03 [docwolf]
he is an animal
22:49:03 [markd2]
especially the cheese parts
22:49:17 [markd2]
Eve got *way* too much cheese for Pi Day I
22:49:17 [docwolf]
i keep him locked in the basement with a slab of meat
22:49:25 [markd2]
and rolf finished most of it off in a week or two
22:49:45 [docwolf]
i have determined rolf's issue
22:49:51 [docwolf]
he is like a fish
22:49:53 [docwolf]
and that' bad
22:49:59 [docwolf]
because i've been stocking this place with lots of food
22:50:12 [docwolf]
and he will eat it until his abdominal cavity explodes
22:50:24 [talli]
speaking of eve, maybe someone should just post some of that ecommerce code so the well informed and classy FC population can decided for themselves about her Career!
22:50:34 [denshi]
yes, I think the parts blaming it on rzolf might be most accurate.
22:50:45 [docwolf]
(of course, we are going to gorge ourselves on cuban food tonight... no mas...)
22:50:52 [davb]
the collapse of aD or the cheese shortage in florida?
22:51:05 [denshi]
(the collapse of aD)
22:51:49 [docwolf]
and as usual, the slashdot maroons don't get it.
22:51:56 [markd2]
and that surprises you?
22:52:15 [docwolf]
hehe. i am an optimist. i keep hoping some common sense will bust through.
22:52:15 [markd2]
they're probably saying "who the hell is this rolf guy they keep talking about"
22:52:39 [docwolf]
it is almost insane
22:52:45 [docwolf]
that eve actually responded to flames on FC
22:52:49 [denshi]
man, do lawyers know about FC?
22:53:21 [docwolf]
i hope not
22:53:57 [docwolf]
between the philip/nazi and tracy/black guy at bootcamp stories, i can't imagine what people think
22:54:25 [denshi]
tracy/black guy?
22:54:35 [davb]
it matters not, most of them are ignoring openACS
22:54:38 [talli]
i realized that the nice thing about open source communities is that there is much less repressed anxiety among the involved members
22:54:55 [talli]
that's because everyone knows everything, or at least almost everything is of public record
22:55:12 [denshi]
you know, I have never met tracy, don't know tracy's gender, know none of the stories, and I use more of Tracy's code than any other aDer.
22:55:21 [talli]
but for companies, everything builds up and eventually explodes at a depraved site like FC
22:55:26 [jim]
most people don't like flying blind...
22:56:18 [jim]
* jim wonders where all those aerons are going :)
22:56:33 [docwolf]
jim: i think everything was leased
22:56:41 [docwolf]
total boiler-room scenario
22:57:06 [jim]
including the fishtank? :)
22:57:15 [docwolf]
or, if not leased, they will be used to pay creditors
22:57:17 [docwolf]
hehe
22:57:27 [docwolf]
apparently the fishtanks were removed months ago, to pay the electricity bill
22:57:35 [jim]
hmm
22:57:47 [docwolf]
but what do i know.. i haven't been back there since last march
22:57:51 [docwolf]
(thank god)
22:58:09 [jim]
* jim did a bootcamp in berkeley
22:58:24 [jim]
I think it was beginning of feb
22:58:29 [talli]
oh man
22:58:46 [jim]
a few of their aerons were broke
22:58:51 [talli]
from slasdot
22:58:55 [talli]
My company, ybos.net [ybos.net] is pretty much the number one ACS-Tcl company right now. We picked up the ongoing development of Ars Digita's Tcl platform a year ago when they dropped it for java, and have continued to enhance it. According to f*cked company, the java port is going away now that RedHat has bought it.
22:58:55 [talli]
22:58:55 [talli]
Ironically we've done about six times more ACS work than ArsDigita has done this year, including beating them out for the Children's Hospital at Montefiore project, a really cool project which put our site, based on the ACS at every bed in the Children's Hospital, next to Plasma screens and wireless keyboards. We're stable, and growing, and have never had an employee leave the company since we started in 1998.
22:58:57 [talli]
22:58:59 [talli]
Also, we've been enhancing the ACS-Tcl steadily for the last year; it's a totally different project than what Ars Digita has for download -- more stable, faster, better features, etc. OpenACS is nice, but it's still all alpha code. And if you think their 4.X product works with Postgres, you haven't read very carefully. They've been releasing OpenACS 4.X sites on Oracle this year.
22:59:04 [talli]
22:59:06 [talli]
I'm the president of ybos, and yesterday felt like I was living a case study at HBS. "You own a growing boutique firm. Your major partner/sometime competitor was just bought out by a billion dollar company. What do you do?"
22:59:09 [talli]
22:59:11 [talli]
22:59:17 [docwolf]
peter is a shameless promoter.
22:59:35 [docwolf]
the thing is, he's promoting to the totally wrong people
22:59:36 [davb]
supposedly the code will be available next week.
22:59:58 [denshi]
yeah, my response to that was "Sorry, DJ Jazzy Trevor, didn't know the ACS was *yours*!"
23:00:35 [docwolf]
ybos was odd.. they always seemed like they were at an arms length from the rest of the community.
23:01:58 [docwolf]
hehe
23:02:02 [docwolf]
the last post on FC is funny.
23:02:04 [docwolf]
I've never met anyone from ArsDigita, but I read "Philip and Alex's Guide" when the book first came out. I loved it. I finished the book in two days. In fact, it's still sitting on the shelf next to my computer desk.
23:02:04 [docwolf]
When I saw this thread on FuckedCompany, I took the book off the shelf and read a few pages of it. The feeling I got was similar to how I feel when I look at the photographs I took at my friend Francine's wedding seven years ago. It was a lavish, expensive affair, and the couple seemed very happy together. They recently finished their divorce proceedings, amid extremely ugly accusations of infidelity, drug addiction, and domestic violenc
23:02:26 [talli]
i haven't heard anything good about ybos' code
23:02:36 [docwolf]
i've never _seen_ ybos' code
23:02:49 [markd2]
LOL
23:03:13 [talli]
what about the Ybos CMS?
23:03:18 [davb]
ack
23:03:19 [talli]
it's supposed to be shit
23:03:26 [denshi]
that, doc, is the way to end a thread. who can best such a post?
23:03:29 [davb]
it is. the ybos CMS anyway
23:04:13 [docwolf]
that is a mega-post.
23:04:28 [docwolf]
i have my theories about the aD collapse... but i'm not going to post them on FC
23:04:43 [docwolf]
it's better when it's totally balls-out funny.
23:05:12 [denshi]
where is rolf?
23:05:40 [docwolf]
when last i saw him, he was eating nachos
23:06:09 [denshi]
yet another fine cheese-based product...
23:06:17 [docwolf]
hehe
23:06:32 [docwolf]
he bought the nastiest looking "dip" i've ever seen from costco
23:06:40 [docwolf]
just the colors made me wretch
23:08:19 [davb]
bbl
23:08:22 [docwolf]
better question is "where is roberto"?
23:08:45 [talli]
ugh. good point
23:08:56 [denshi]
handling his new, child equipped life?
23:09:40 [docwolf]
http://www.arsdigita.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg%5fid=000lTD&topic%5fid=1536&topic=ACS%20Java%20Novices
23:09:40 [chump]
H: http://www.arsdigita.com/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg?msg%5fid=000lTD&topic%5fid=1536&topic=ACS%20Java%20Novices from docwolf
23:10:39 [docwolf]
haha -- now _thats_ an FC post
23:10:49 [denshi]
It's on page 8.
23:11:02 [denshi]
Best FC Board *Ever*.
23:11:44 [docwolf]
it's sort of weird looking at the aD bboards
23:11:53 [docwolf]
it's like... you can see the tumbleweeds blowing through
23:12:37 [denshi]
if the ACS bboards allow embedding pictures, I'll post some tumbleweeds blowing...
23:12:49 [docwolf]
hehe
23:13:13 [talli]
i am tempted to write another response to a stupid post on the OACS "aD is gone" thread. should i hold myself back?
23:13:24 [docwolf]
hehe
23:14:26 [docwolf]
i don't think you have anything to lose at this point
23:14:34 [docwolf]
your friends are your friends, and those who are not... well...
23:14:52 [talli]
true enough...
23:15:00 [denshi]
I've read about 4 pages of this FC board, and though my brain is now bleeding out my ears, I have found the one actual nugget of truth on the board:
23:15:25 [denshi]
"ACS is not a toy." -Grx.
23:17:24 [markd2]
all the stuff about rolf is true
23:17:31 [docwolf]
100%
23:39:16 [denshi]
well, that was throughly toxic. night all.
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23:40:13 [markd2]
FC, the corporate catharsis
23:46:28 [jim]
"but sites built with ACS can be :)
23:47:04 [jim]
and you can't say they weren't playing with acs when they built remindme :)
23:47:16 [talli]
how does one mod something on /.? do you need to gain enough karma in order to get the chance?
23:47:32 [jim]
mod? moderate?
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23:47:42 [talli]
yes. moderate
23:47:48 [jim]
probably
23:48:06 [jim]
I read /. twice a year, whether I need it or not :)
23:48:17 [talli]
:)
23:48:33 [talli]
donb kicks ass again: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=27678&cid=2975061
23:55:31 [jim]
ok, I want to do something with the content repository... by hand, at a psql shell...
23:59:43 [jim]
how would I browse the tree? I'd like to start by doing the equiv of cd / ; ls