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01:20:40 <davb> http://brasslantern.org/
01:20:40 <chump> A: http://brasslantern.org/ from davb
01:20:53 <davb> A:|Brass Lantern: The Adventure Game Web Site
01:20:53 <chump> titled item A
01:28:28 <davb> http://www.uwec.edu/jerzdg/orr/articles/IF/index.html
01:28:28 <chump> B: http://www.uwec.edu/jerzdg/orr/articles/IF/index.html from davb
01:28:49 <davb> B:| UWEC Online Reading Room: Interfactive Fiction Section
01:28:49 <chump> titled item B
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14:22:20 <ola> hello markd2!
14:30:03 <markd2> hiya
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14:39:22 <davb> Hi!
14:40:06 <ola> hello davb!
14:42:27 <ola> I got aliases working (or, I'm almost there..) with vpopmail. :-)
14:42:32 <davb> cool
14:45:09 <Psychephylax> hmmm
14:45:15 <davb> hi Psychephylax
14:45:23 <Psychephylax> Hey dave
14:45:28 <markd2> yö
14:45:36 <Psychephylax> hey Mark
14:46:43 <ola> hi Psychephylax
14:52:15 <Psychephylax> Hola Ola!
14:52:19 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax is excited
14:52:24 <Psychephylax> He's finally getting his hard drives
14:54:42 <ola> raid 1 2 3 4 5 6  10 ?
14:55:47 <Psychephylax> raid 1
14:55:49 <ola> dave: must I have something in /varqmail/control/locals?
14:55:56 <ola> ok
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14:57:22 <ola> I'd like to have ALL domains as virtual.
14:59:12 <davb> nope. not if they are all virtual.
14:59:24 <davb> in fact you must not have anything in locals :)
14:59:42 <ola> Psychephylax: if you're going to use software RAID with a recent lilo, I can send you a little guide I wrote last week...
15:00:02 <markd2> Psychoephylax - what kind of drives?
15:02:37 <ola> ok dave. but when I deleted the line with my first domain (the one that gets written by "./config-fast blah.com") I can't send mail from localhost anymore.
15:03:13 <davb> aha... please hold...
15:03:24 <Psychephylax> Ola, I have a raid controller on the motherboard
15:03:31 <Psychephylax> Software raid = sloow :)
15:03:52 <ola> what controller? Promise?
15:04:30 <davb> http://www.palomine.net/qmail/relaying.html
15:04:30 <chump> C: http://www.palomine.net/qmail/relaying.html from davb
15:04:37 <davb> C:|Qmail Newbie's Guide to relaying
15:04:37 <chump> titled item C
15:04:53 <ola> thanks dave.
15:05:03 <davb> np I have done it several times so far :)
15:05:20 <davb> its real easy if you have a NAT and are sending frm an internal network.
15:06:30 <ola> I must start to use iptables!
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15:07:34 <docwolf> morning
15:09:53 <Psychephylax> it's the one that comes with Abit motherboards
15:11:15 <ola> well, do you have a driver for it to begin with? 
15:13:52 <Psychephylax> sure
15:14:24 <Psychephylax> It uses a HighPoint controller
15:15:12 <docwolf> so.. it looks like aD really is coming to an end today.
15:15:31 <docwolf> people are being fired, apparently, as we type.
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15:22:48 <ola> hey vinod!
15:23:15 <vinod> hey ola!
15:23:30 <davb> hi vinod
15:23:31 <markd2> yo
15:23:52 <vinod> wazzzzup yall :-)
15:24:06 <markd2> we be hangin' wif our homies
15:26:02 <Psychephylax> Hey vinod
15:26:42 <vinod> hey Psychephylax!
15:27:03 <Psychephylax> :)
15:28:05 <shagster> * shagster should have stayed in bed...
15:28:21 <vinod> * vinod feels the same way
15:28:41 <vinod> spent the wknd treating colds and flus and now i got it
15:29:10 <markd2> bummer
15:29:19 <markd2> too bad you can't treat the nymphomaniacs
15:29:22 <shagster> I've spent the past two days helping out on my uncle's farm (in about 20 degree weather)
15:29:38 <vinod> markd2: treat? why do they need to be treated?
15:29:40 <Psychephylax> Yesh
15:29:45 <Psychephylax> I had a bad flu too
15:29:51 <Psychephylax> still have the after-effects
15:29:59 <markd2> oops - forgot the quotes
15:30:00 <shagster> Is there a good flu?
15:30:02 <Psychephylax> Oh, did you guys see my pimpin' new computer case?
15:30:08 <markd2> too bad you can't "treat" the nymphomaniacs
15:30:19 <vinod> ahhh - understood
15:30:40 <markd2> DOCTOR PERFORMER is in the haus
15:30:54 <Psychephylax> lol
15:31:06 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax wonders if nobody saw his pimpin' new case
15:31:09 <vinod> * vinod smooths out his leisure suit
15:31:35 <docwolf> anyone want to place bets on the aD shutdown today?
15:31:47 <Psychephylax> I'm going with 10$ on this one
15:32:08 <docwolf> I say 2:1 it's an asset acquisition (ACS Java) + shutdown of the rest of the company
15:32:35 <docwolf> and that the acquirerer will pay aD $25 + 1/2 lb of hamburger meat.
15:32:49 <vinod> mmmmm.... hamburger
15:32:59 <vinod> are you saying McDonald's is acquiring them?
15:33:10 <vinod> would you like ACS-Java with that big mac?
15:33:23 <docwolf> hehe
15:33:23 <shagster> Nah, Microsoft is :) LOL
15:33:39 <Psychephylax> Silly people
15:33:55 <Psychephylax> Don't you know I already aquired them for 50 cents and a bucket of java?
15:34:04 <shagster> Who, Microsoft, McDonalds, aD, or us ?
15:34:13 <Psychephylax> you
15:34:19 <shagster> :P
15:34:20 <Psychephylax> My bucket of java beans put me over the top
15:34:52 <shagster> Now, I bought them for 2 lap dances and my secret collection of monkey porn
15:35:39 <Psychephylax> whoa
15:35:46 <Psychephylax> I withdraw all of my previous bids
15:35:51 <Psychephylax> you can't get better than monkey porn
15:36:29 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax gives mark a cookie
15:37:19 <davb> I am reading the Dell web page for state government, it says these specials offers are just for your organization. All offers expire 10/15/01
15:37:34 <shagster> Better hurry :)
15:37:50 <vinod> that's 10/15/3001
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15:41:59 <vinod> so, i spose i should expect a flurry of spam once aD sells all of our email addresses
15:42:40 <Psychephylax> lol
15:42:46 <Psychephylax> i hope not
15:44:17 <shagster> Mmmm...spam :)
15:44:42 <vinod> haha
16:04:14 <docwolf> sigh.  so, what is openacs going to be called from here on in?
16:04:23 <markd2> * markd2 votes for "armenta"
16:10:31 <markd2> I like ACS == "A Community System"
16:10:46 <davb> Cool.
16:11:10 <docwolf> "Open A Community System"
16:11:10 <docwolf> heh
16:11:54 <davb> also cool.
16:12:20 <markd2> Open A Can of Spam
16:12:47 <docwolf> it will be creepy to see what ACS java becomes
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16:55:38 <shagster> I think we should just name it, Flintstone Community Server: It's YabbaDabba Good Software 
16:55:39 <shagster> :)
16:55:57 <shagster> Change the mascot to Dino
16:56:43 <markd2> or pebbles
16:56:45 <markd2> hubba hubba
16:57:07 <shagster> Mmmm....Pebbles
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17:22:42 <markd2> yo
17:22:43 <davb> hi donb
17:22:56 <donb> Hey there, folks, no Roberto, eh?
17:23:08 <donb> So is everyone talking about aD?
17:23:12 <docwolf> hi don
17:23:22 <docwolf> looks like the end of the line for aD
17:23:35 <donb> yeah, too bad but inevitable
17:24:17 <docwolf> yup.  The bubble burst, they refused to admit it.
17:25:18 <donb> Too bad you guys won't be here for our OpenACS social tonight.  Talli's flying from Maui to SF then to here and a few other folks will be around, too.
17:26:15 <docwolf> whoa. cool.
17:28:03 <donb> You're a rich VC now, why not hop on a plane right now?
17:28:17 <docwolf> haha
17:28:31 <docwolf> don, i've gone from being a rich VC to a struggling CEO of a startup
17:28:36 <donb> Buy a one way ticket, travel with no luggage, get profiled ...
17:28:39 <docwolf> so.. we take greyhound.
17:28:57 <docwolf> ok, word on the ex-ad board that aD has been sold.
17:29:09 <donb> Oh, you have? I hadn't heard.  Do you mean "CEO of a struggling startup"?  What does it do, other than struggle?
17:29:35 <docwolf> in a nutshell, distribute medical products.
17:29:38 <docwolf> an ASP for doctors.
17:29:43 <markd2> "medical" "products"
17:29:48 <docwolf> hehe
17:30:02 <donb> Cool...yeah, my thoughts too, Mark ... Adam's still in Florida, right?
17:30:10 <docwolf> hehe
17:30:22 <docwolf> hey, we provide a much-needed "service"
17:30:23 <markd2> with "rzolf" too
17:30:25 <donb> Major communications and distribution hub ...
17:30:57 <donb> You can probably buy some big photo prints for cheap if you take a trip to Cambridge, decorate your office ...
17:31:03 <docwolf> haha
17:31:11 <docwolf> my office is my home....
17:31:16 <docwolf> i have moved Rolf in.
17:31:20 <docwolf> it is out of control.
17:31:23 <markd2> "of"
17:31:51 <donb> So does Rolf have a job or is he just mooching?
17:31:58 <docwolf> i'm allegedly paying him
17:32:13 <docwolf> ($5 a day + some chopped meat)
17:32:58 <docwolf> I've decided that the only way to run an ASP and make real money is to be the biggest tightwad ever... hence, Rolf...
17:33:48 <donb> There's a lot to be said for running a shoestring operation.  My old software company did OK when we bootstrapped, we didn't start to spiral until after taking on investment money.
17:34:14 <docwolf> i hear ya loud & clear.  I'm only taking money from friends & family. Avoiding outsiders, if at all possible.
17:34:45 <donb> Ah, yes, "the Family" ... I think Mark and I are right about the true nature of your business.
17:34:58 <docwolf> hehe
17:35:04 <docwolf> i am 0.5 italian...
17:35:06 <markd2> family "values"
17:35:08 <docwolf> it gets shadier and shadier.
17:36:12 <donb> I just saw your "aD sold" confirmation above ... does this mean they're closing doors today, as rumored?
17:36:55 <docwolf> from what i'm hearing, i think so
17:37:07 <docwolf> mass executions, etc..
17:40:43 <donb> Yeah, I just got a separate note, 51 laid off here, 15 in Munich, 20 more as contracts wind down.  2 week severance except for execs ("more than 2 weeks severance").  Pretty harsh.   Those who've been working so hard on the Java release must be hurting ...
17:41:04 <markd2> pride goeth before a fall
17:41:52 <docwolf> it's still not clear to me what was acquired
17:41:52 <donb> Heh yeah, true enough.  Hmmm...aD turned into a "me too" company with the Java switch, now they've turned into the ultimate "me too" company.  
17:42:20 <donb> A Certain Dog Owner thinks the hosting biz is what will be picked up.
17:42:30 <donb> Or so I've been told indirectly.
17:42:37 <docwolf> hosting biz?
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17:43:01 <donb> I guess they're still hosting (I almost said "hosing" as a typo, oops!) a fair number of sites.
17:43:08 <docwolf> didn't aD fire all their sysadmins?
17:43:14 <docwolf> (or at least all the good ones...(
17:43:24 <donb> I'd thought they were but this is what I've been told.
17:43:27 <denshi> docwolf: what's this about aD finally crashing today?
17:43:42 <docwolf> denshi: apparently the crash has occurred.
17:43:50 <docwolf> they were sold to an anonymous firm.
17:43:55 <docwolf> and lots of people were canned.
17:44:16 <denshi> ouch.  an anonymous firm.
17:44:49 <docwolf> but it's still not clear in my mind....  i can't fathom what they'd be buying.
17:44:53 <docwolf> i guess the ACS java code
17:45:05 <markd2> maybe it's a toxic waste research firm
17:45:14 <denshi> that's darkly amusing -- the dot.com that was most open to anyone about their code and behaviors has gone all the way into secrecy, to the point they can't name their buyer.
17:45:34 <docwolf> the buyer probably wants it that way.
17:45:51 <denshi> I think shagster is right -- they're buying them for 2 lap dances and a collection of monkey porn.
17:46:04 <denshi> no, wait, monkey porn is what aD has to sell.
17:46:19 <docwolf> aD would still be around, if they went into porn.
17:46:26 <markd2> the main purveyor of hte monkey porn left in early january
17:46:27 <docwolf> think about the porn potential of AOLserver
17:48:17 <donb> Well ... I'm getting RH as the buyer and Java ACS in the shitcan from my source, but who knows?  Wag once for RH, Alex, twice for someone else!
17:48:32 <docwolf> haha
17:49:11 <markd2> redRum!  redRum!
17:49:15 <docwolf> i really don't get it then.. if they aren't buying ACS java, and they aren't buying people, and they aren't buying real estate (lease on 80 prospect up today), then what?
17:49:28 <docwolf> oh, i know.. the maint. contract for wineaccess.
17:49:31 <markd2> saving face for the VCs
17:49:34 <docwolf> it's pure gold, i tell ya
17:49:59 <markd2> heres a dollar for your fleet of E450s
17:50:15 <docwolf> hehe.  were those machines leased?
17:50:23 <donb> Well ... given the bloodletting it's seems clear they wouldn't pick up the uncompleted ACS Java.  If they were doing that they'd keep the core developers.
17:50:24 <markd2> probably
17:51:21 <docwolf> man.. if they aren't keeping ACS java, then... the sale price must have been shockingly low.
17:51:39 <docwolf> b/c aD didn't even have that much "goodwill" left
17:52:17 <donb> Yeah, one suspects a very low sale price.
17:53:52 <donb> E450s ... it would be interesting to make a wall out of them, like using bricks, mortar them in, some sort of bad art for a plaza in downtown San Jose ...
17:54:06 <docwolf> haha
17:54:30 <docwolf> a group of E450s stacked in a pyramid formation, encircled by Aerons.
17:54:57 <donb> Yeah, something like that.  And lots of flatscreens 
17:55:24 <donb> A tribute to Silicon Valley ...
17:56:15 <donb> Of course an E450 sculpture in Cambridge would look interesting after a couple of winters.  Imagine how rusty they'd get with all the salt slush flying around.
17:56:37 <docwolf> hehe.  ugh.
17:57:46 <donb> Well ... I should run.  I've got to get some work done today before I teach Talli how to drink beer tonight.
17:58:55 <denshi> good luck, don
17:59:13 <docwolf>  nice
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18:01:15 <denshi> so what's everyone up to today?
18:02:55 <davb> I am shoppinh with year-end money :)
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18:25:33 <denshi> bbl
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18:32:37 <ola> dave: you here?
18:34:47 <davb> hi yep!
18:35:32 <ola> hi. can I ask you another email qouestion? 
18:35:55 <ola> you have multiple domains under vpopmail, right?
18:36:00 <davb> yes.
18:36:13 <ola> do you add a user like this: ./vadduser user@virtual-domain passwd ...
18:36:20 <davb> yes.
18:36:29 <ola> or like this: ./vadduser user (so that the user ends up in /home/vpopmail/users) - and what's the difference? 
18:36:37 <ola> :-)
18:36:54 <davb> you need user@domain
18:37:00 <ola> ok
18:37:32 <ola> a problem I have is that all bounced messages come from one and thesame domain, mailer-daemon@polyxena.net, regardless of which of my two virtual domains bounced...
18:37:55 <ola> the qmail locals file is empty...
18:38:42 <ola> but I have polyxena.net in the "me" file for instance..
18:39:26 <ola> It should be possible to respond with either domain, so to speak.
18:41:21 <ola> I read the page you pointed to but I couldn't find anything about this.
18:44:24 <ola> dave, can I try and send two emails to two non-existing users of your domains to see what it bounces?
18:45:38 <ola> or perhaps you've set it up to forward to some account...?
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18:47:48 <talilee> hey guys
18:51:15 <davb> hi talli
18:51:26 <davb> ola: should bounce, go ahead :)
18:52:10 <ola> hi talli!
18:52:25 <ola> thanks dave, what domains can I try?
18:52:49 <ola> thedesign and...
18:52:55 <davb> ola: deepskydesign.com, the designexperience.org come from my machine.
18:53:06 <ola> right
18:54:14 <davb> ola: did you read life with qmail?
18:54:41 <davb> ola: i think that qmail will call itself whatever is in me.
18:56:40 <ola> yes I read it. so can I put two entries in ther? (I'll try;-))
18:57:03 <davb> in me? I think not.
18:58:12 <ola> dave: I even bugged Dave Sill about a potential bug that wasn't a bug:-)
18:58:57 <davb> woah :)
18:59:47 <ola> argh! Unable to connect to my webmail, I'll have to use qmail.
19:03:22 <davb> ola: mine uses the hostname from hosts :) I don't have a me:
19:04:51 <ola> ok, highly interesting.
19:16:29 <davb> that is what its supposed to do :). I messed around with all the settings when I had problems, but it turned out to be my DNS MX records.
19:18:32 <davb> http://live.curry.com/stories/2002/02/05/calservices.html
19:18:32 <chump> D: http://live.curry.com/stories/2002/02/05/calservices.html from davb
19:18:40 <davb> D:|Calendar sharing with RSS
19:18:40 <chump> titled item D
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19:32:49 <davb> http://www.skippingdot.net/2002/02/02
19:32:49 <chump> E: http://www.skippingdot.net/2002/02/02 from davb
19:33:20 <davb> E:|A nice accurate cost comparision of Windows/Linux with real numbers, in plain English.
19:33:20 <chump> titled item E
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19:57:01 <davb> http://www.computer.org/education/cc2001/
19:57:02 <chump> F: http://www.computer.org/education/cc2001/ from davb
19:57:17 <davb> F:| ACM Draft Report on Computer Science Curriculum
19:57:17 <chump> titled item F
19:58:05 <davb> F:[Final Draft Dec 2001|http://www.computer.org/education/cc2001/final/index.htm?SMSESSION=NO]
19:58:05 <chump> commented item F
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20:07:25 <davb> F: This is very interesting. I can use this to develop my program for Empire State College
20:07:25 <chump> commented item F
20:07:45 <davb> hi neophytos
20:08:40 <k2pts> hi dave
20:08:47 <k2pts> i'm reading the chatlogs about aD
20:12:30 <davb> ah, yes, very sad.
20:12:47 <k2pts> indeed
20:13:08 <k2pts> anyone know what's gonna happen with acs-java?
20:13:33 <davb> that will be interesting to see what happens.
20:22:48 <davb> Psychephylax: you around?
20:26:09 <ola> hi k2pts
20:26:34 <ola> how do I tell what gcc version I have (on Debian)?
20:27:17 <ola> courier-imap does not compile under gcc 3.0!
20:27:26 <vinod> gcc -v
20:27:26 <davb> ah.
20:27:33 <davb> darn vinod beat me.
20:27:45 <vinod> oops - sorry :-)
20:27:56 <ola> thanks vinod. :-)
20:28:05 <ola> I have 2.95.4...
20:28:10 <k2pts> hi ola
20:28:17 <k2pts> how's it going?
20:29:26 <ola> well, kind of bad with my imap stuff...
20:29:37 <ola> how about you?
20:29:38 <k2pts> on nsd
20:29:41 <k2pts> ?
20:30:00 <ola> no. stand alone.
20:30:03 <k2pts> i'm ok. back to the university...
20:30:21 <ola> back, from where? 
20:31:13 <k2pts> from holidays...davb influenced...now i have a top secret project as well (kind of a surprise for the oacs community)
20:31:33 <ola> sounds very cool! :-)
20:31:40 <k2pts> yeap...
20:32:51 <ola> lemme guess. you've bought aD, right!!
20:33:00 <k2pts> :)...the imap solution you are working on ... 
20:33:22 <k2pts> is it on aolserver?
20:34:01 <ola> nope, it's courier IMAP. but I can't get it to configure.
20:34:14 <ola> for my mail server...
20:34:28 <k2pts> have no idea about these kind of stuff
20:35:20 <ola> me neither. that's why I bother Dave:-/
20:38:52 <ola> I need to point the configure scripts to some kind of gdbm or bdb library... but where to find it or what package to install?
20:39:19 <k2pts> gdbm is at gnu I think...
20:39:21 <davb> ola: which version of courier are you installing? 1.4x still?
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20:39:38 <k2pts> hey mark
20:39:44 <ola> 1.4.2
20:39:48 <markd2> yo
20:40:18 <k2pts> ola, http://www.gnu.org/software/gdbm/gdbm.html
20:40:46 <davb> ola: maybe try an older one :)? 
20:41:13 <ola> ok. thanks k2pts.
20:41:35 <ola> and dave!
20:41:38 <ola> :-)
20:41:45 <k2pts> np
20:43:14 <ola> hmmm. I need a c++ compiler - does gcc include such a beast?
20:43:32 <k2pts> g++
20:47:47 <ola> hey! that was it. thanks k2pts! :-)
20:47:58 <k2pts> np
20:48:33 <ola> for two days I assumed it was included in gcc. DOH!
20:56:12 <k2pts> have to head out guys. later...
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21:20:43 <davb> bye
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21:49:22 <markd2> faretheewell chump
22:16:13 <til> * til wonders what application_group_element_map is
22:16:47 <til> any groups api gurus around?
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22:18:14 <til> chump, are you a groups api guru?
22:18:21 <til> :)
22:29:29 <Psychephylax> w
22:29:31 <Psychephylax> doh
22:29:55 <Psychephylax> til, chump is the groups pie guru
22:30:00 <Psychephylax> not sure about api though
22:30:09 <Psychephylax> He makes one hell of a blueberry pie
22:32:30 <til> * til wants a pie too
22:33:55 <markd2> mmmm.. pie
22:35:18 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax gives mark a cookie
22:38:33 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax goes home
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23:19:05 <markd2> http://forum.fuckedcompany.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/287073.html
23:19:05 <chump> G: http://forum.fuckedcompany.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/287073.html from markd2
23:19:12 <markd2> G:| FC bboard on some of the aD demise
23:19:13 <chump> titled item G
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23:36:53 <docwolf>  hmm...
23:37:09 <docwolf> so the FC dude says its RedHat for sure
23:37:16 <docwolf> what on earth will RH do with ACS java?
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