IRC log of openacs on 2002-02-03

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00:52:11 [k2pts]
hi dave
00:57:49 [davb]
hello k2pts
00:58:08 [k2pts]
how are you?
00:58:46 [davb]
good, working alot of a custom etp for a client job.
00:59:26 [k2pts]
that's great...
00:59:51 [k2pts]
did you get my message w.r.t search
01:00:01 [davb]
yes, thanks.
01:00:49 [k2pts]
np. i'm really going to do those improvements -- soon I hope.
01:01:07 [davb]
hopefully this will lead to some $$$ and I can roll some improvments back into the toolkit.
01:01:53 [k2pts]
that would be great...how's the top secret project going :)
01:02:17 [davb]
Well this is it :)
01:02:30 [k2pts]
oh
01:02:38 [k2pts]
great
01:03:14 [k2pts]
i'm depressed during the weekends (not much traffic to the mailing lists I'm subscribed)
01:05:30 [davb]
thats too bad. I joined a list this week, but it was over 200 messages a day, I had to quit :)
01:05:51 [k2pts]
sounds like qmail :)
01:09:05 [davb]
its was a new list for css, it was really good, just too much for me
01:09:23 [k2pts]
css as cascading style sheets?
01:10:33 [mindst0rm]
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01:10:46 [davb]
yes
01:10:59 [k2pts]
hi mindSt0rm
01:11:30 [mindst0rm]
hi. The last time I was here I was inquiring about mod_aolserver.
01:11:39 [davb]
hi
01:12:22 [mindst0rm]
also does anyone know if there's a port to support sapdb?
01:12:33 [davb]
of OpenACS?
01:12:35 [k2pts]
openacs port? No.
01:13:42 [mindst0rm]
*sigh* I was itching to play with a CMS and sapdb. SAPdb looks pretty cool.
01:14:51 [davb]
I doubht there is one.
01:16:20 [mindst0rm]
It appears that mod_aolserver is gone too. I care not to install another webserver. Is there a way to make Apache work with OpenACS?
01:16:39 [davb]
not currently.
01:16:57 [mindst0rm]
mod_tcl?
01:17:06 [davb]
That will only get you halfway there.
01:17:22 [davb]
there is a tcl pcakage that provides most of the AOLserver database API nstcl
01:18:10 [davb]
I think that combined with mod_tcl would be most of the way there. but probably some more tcl glue would be needed to complete the rest of the AOLServer tcl API
01:20:05 [k2pts]
mindst0rm: afaik there are no plans to support other web servers. you would be better off installing aolserver...
01:21:27 [davb]
yes, it is not too tricky to install and plays nicely with apache
01:21:28 [k2pts]
dave: btw, do you know whether jong is still going to port the i18n patches to 3.4.2?
01:22:04 [mindst0rm]
I see the benefits of AOLserver, but the config file is... well... funky.
01:22:28 [k2pts]
that's np. openacs comes with a default nsd config file.
01:22:44 [k2pts]
you can start learning from that...
01:23:05 [mindst0rm]
I made the mistake of building from source.
01:23:34 [k2pts]
have you checked the openacs installation guide for aolserver?
01:23:47 [davb]
k2pts: I am not keeping track of i18n stuff, so I am not sure.
01:23:57 [k2pts]
davb: ok, thx
01:24:52 [k2pts]
http://openacs.org/doc/openacs/aolserver/
01:24:52 [chump]
A: http://openacs.org/doc/openacs/aolserver/ from k2pts
01:25:19 [k2pts]
mindst0rm: simple aolserver installation guide
01:25:53 [mindst0rm]
The basic idea is to understand how ACS works then move up to the Java (ArsDigta) version. Hopefully 5.0 will be out or our team has had enough time to grok how the db abstraction stuff works so that we can write a module to support postgres.
01:27:06 [davb]
I don't know how much OpenACS will help you understand acs java.
01:28:57 [mindst0rm]
The basic mechanics are the same. I'm looking how to intergrate our existing sites into ACS.
01:29:45 [mindst0rm]
I don't have the hardware at home to run Oracle so OpenACS looked like a good start.
01:30:14 [davb]
if you want a Tcl version, OpenACS is it.
01:30:57 [davb]
brb
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01:35:09 [k2pts]
have to head out. later...
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01:36:29 [mindst0rm]
Right. The deal is to get the TCL version working so that from a sysadmin point of view, I can support any version of ACS. The java stuff is cool. What would be cooler is getting it to work with postgres. I have a java coder that is willing to contribute to the java code base. But we need to understand how the OpenACS postgres code works first.
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[Global Notice] Hi all. We'll be rerouting almost all of the network in one fell swoop in just a few moments. Expect some client flooding. Apologies for the inconvenience and thank you for using OPN!
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does any one know about opengl?
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12:34:03 [jim]
eelf: -no-
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14:47:15 [jim]
Hi...
14:48:56 [jim]
anyone here? ns_db0or1row gets message "query was not a statement returning rows"; is this a known problem? am I using the wrong aol - postgres driver?
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15:25:55 [jim]
Hi rbm
15:26:52 [jim]
umm, you here? :)
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15:52:09 [jim]
anyone here yet?
15:52:15 [jim]
:)
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15:59:44 [jim]
re
16:00:25 [davb]
hi
16:01:02 [jim]
I need help/guidance/docs to fix wp-slim's data model drop script
16:02:36 [jim]
first, a ref on pl/pgsql would be a good thing... second, why would deleting anacs_object not also remove its index row?
16:03:17 [davb]
good question.
16:03:36 [jim]
oh, and also,
16:03:44 [davb]
Ok pl/pgsql read the postgresql docs. Roberto's pl/sql to pl/pgsql porting guide is in there.
16:04:04 [jim]
ok, got that
16:04:24 [davb]
I think thats probably it, unless you buy a book. But I think everything is in there.
16:04:46 [davb]
Are you getting an error message?
16:04:49 [jim]
any -really- good books?
16:04:58 [jim]
I blew away my db...
16:05:04 [davb]
are you familiar with SQL already?
16:05:06 [jim]
so anything now is stale
16:05:17 [davb]
ie. have you used other database systems?
16:05:29 [jim]
yep, I did a drop script for my reservation system
16:05:41 [jim]
did the boot camp, so oracle
16:05:56 [jim]
does pl/pgsql have cursors?
16:06:04 [davb]
nope, you don't need them.
16:06:22 [davb]
but I guess some people like to use them :)
16:06:28 [jim]
ok, so things are really different
16:06:56 [davb]
no so much, I think, you can do it without cursors in Oracle too.
16:07:07 [davb]
did you read vinod's porting FAQ?
16:07:40 [jim]
umm, I;m also trying to figure out if I'm running the right aolserver - pg driver
16:07:51 [davb]
This one is supposed to be very good: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1861005156/qid=1012752525/sr=2-2/ref=sr_2_3_2/103-7790041-9387828
16:08:13 [davb]
aolserver 3.3+ad13 or 3.4 is ok. pgdrver 2.1 download from OpenACS.org
16:09:15 [jim]
I get an error message on a 0or1row, saying "query was not a statement returning rows"
16:09:27 [jim]
that doesn't make sense to me:
16:09:47 [davb]
That is not the real error message.
16:09:48 [jim]
if not a statement returning rows, wouldn't that qualify as "0 rows"?
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16:10:12 [jim]
ok...
16:10:20 [davb]
THat is a message from the database driver. the real postgresql error message is back farther in the log. probably parse error at or near '(' :)
16:10:46 [davb]
What you need it do, is go back in the log until you see the query with the real values in it that was actually passed to postgresql.
16:11:39 [jim]
I haven't read the porting guide lately
16:11:43 [jim]
so...
16:12:05 [jim]
* jim gets that driver (or finds it)
16:12:49 [jim]
I have pgdriver-2.0.1.tar.gz
16:13:05 [jim]
I'll assume I'm ok on that front
16:18:12 [jim]
loading all the initial openacs datamodel stuff
16:20:33 [jim]
Do I need java for any of openacs?
16:23:57 [davb]
nope
16:29:30 [jim]
OK, the site's up again
16:57:48 [jim]
ok, install wp-slim, remove, install, run drop script, run create script, remove all worked fine...
16:58:16 [jim]
installing again
17:01:38 [jim]
now checking out the package itself
17:04:09 [davb]
excellent.
17:04:30 [davb]
Oh you need me patch, it won't screw up unless you install another broken package or etp....
17:04:36 [davb]
s/me/my
17:06:43 [davb]
oops. except I forgot to generate the patch.
17:08:55 [jim]
what patch?
17:09:48 [jim]
and now that the drop script has things to drop, it's producing errors
17:09:59 [jim]
referential integrity violations
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17:11:25 [jim2]
psql:wp-slim-drop.sql:143: ERROR: acs_obj_context_idx_anc_id_fk referential integrity violation - key in acs_objects still referenced from acs_object_context_index
17:11:30 [jim2]
forexample
17:12:28 [jim2]
ahh, that's the thing I was talking about earlier... shouldn't acs_object.delete get rid of the index key?
17:41:51 [davb]
jim2: it probably does...
17:42:15 [davb]
pg has a "bug" where if you delete somethign that refers to somethign else in a transaction you get that error.
17:43:11 [davb]
jim2: my yet to be patch fixes the problem where wp-slim creates a presentation with a parent_id of NULL instead of the package_id.
17:43:26 [jim]
shouldn't you delete the something else first tho?
17:43:29 [davb]
if you have more than one wp, all presentations would appear in every wp.
17:43:48 [davb]
jim: maybe... I never saw acs_obj_context_idx_and_id_fk before...
17:44:00 [davb]
and I can't check right now, I am in windows :)
17:44:10 [jim]
sheesh :)
17:44:34 [jim]
yeah, it's time for me to play some vids too :)
17:44:35 [davb]
what plpgsql function is returnign that error?
17:44:57 [davb]
heh, I wish, I am doing graphics design (one man, one-stop shop :)
17:45:26 [jim]
umm, haven't looked closely enough yet... howbout deal with your design for awhile, and I'll look close in awhile
18:04:16 [jim]
bb..
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19:40:27 [jim]
back shortly
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20:03:21 [jim2]
ok, the first problem is in inline_5
20:03:58 [jim2]
but there are a lot of places where it just goes off and drops rows directly from the acs_objects table
20:09:37 [rbm]
moo
20:09:42 [rbm]
hey jim, davb
20:10:02 [jim2]
hiya rbm
20:10:48 [rbm]
jim2: I'm almost done reading the docs for new developers.
20:10:51 [rbm]
(Debian)
20:11:00 [jim2]
cool :)
20:11:14 [rbm]
So pretty soon I'm hoping I'll need your recommendation.
20:11:16 [jim2]
fun read?
20:11:31 [jim2]
ok, you got it
20:11:46 [rbm]
I think I'll ask Bruce Perens to verify my identity. He's the only debian developer I know that knows me in person.
20:12:07 [rbm]
That should be a pretty good recommend :)
20:12:10 [rbm]
* rbm goes to eat
20:12:20 [jim2]
that would be a pretty good recommendation, there...
20:12:30 [jim2]
where are you located?
20:18:17 [davb]
jim: ah, that is a messy way to do it.
20:30:39 [jim2]
maybe what I can do is determine the exact data model and totally revamp those scripts
20:31:05 [jim2]
even make it unmount all its instances as it goes
20:41:33 [davb]
that is a challange. all the packages I have worked on so far, are singletons :)
20:59:16 [davb]
brb
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21:39:14 [davb]
argh. my aolserver is starting up, loading all the openacs stuff, then shutting itself down and restarting...
21:39:37 [davb]
and I can't kill the nsds.
21:41:02 [davb]
I don't see anything helping in the aolserver log, svscan log or postgresql logs
21:46:00 [davb]
hmmm can't shutdown postmaster because nsd won't die.
21:46:28 [davb]
weird brb
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22:44:02 [talilee]
hey guys
23:17:04 [davb]
hi talilee
23:23:15 [talilee]
hey davb
23:23:18 [talilee]
how;s it going?
23:23:47 [davb]
good. Learning more about ETP
23:24:04 [talilee]
cool
23:24:09 [talilee]
what are you studying?
23:25:22 [davb]
Right now I am building a custom application. IT has ALOT of extended attributes. I think I need to change the UI to entering and changing items.
23:25:54 [talilee]
poor mariah carey
23:25:58 [talilee]
she missed a high note
23:26:24 [talilee]
your custom app has a lot of extended attributes?
23:26:49 [talilee]
she just missed a whole bunch more
23:26:54 [davb]
It's basically all extended attributes.
23:27:00 [davb]
What, is it halftime?
23:27:12 [talilee]
whoa. davb, are you an american?
23:27:21 [talilee]
no, ithe game hasn't started yet
23:29:03 [talilee]
loggy, off
23:34:07 [davb]
Anyway I am hacking together a minimally functional demo, hopefuly the client gets some investors and I can do it right :)
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23:50:05 [davb]
bbl: junkyard wars