IRC log of openacs on 2002-02-01

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19:36:30 [loggy]
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topic is: OpenACS:Free Web Toolkit http://openacs.org, awash on the seas of a capricious network.
19:36:30 [carter.openprojects.net]
Users on #OpenACS: loggy til davb andyn abbaJ jim chump shagster beattiek rbm Psychephylax djg
19:36:30 [ChanServ]
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19:38:33 [davb]
yeah loggy!
19:49:28 [jim]
davb: NOW I get etp :)
19:50:11 [jim]
except...
19:50:33 [jim]
if you arrange to edit main page,
19:50:52 [jim]
and you have an etp mounted, it shows up as a link
19:51:05 [jim]
but you don't see the site map links
19:51:08 [davb]
jim did you mount it at ETP?
19:51:12 [jim]
yes
19:51:20 [davb]
ah. don't do that :)
19:51:33 [jim]
is that a special link?
19:51:38 [davb]
I haven't tracked it down yet.
19:51:50 [jim]
it's only ETP?
19:52:00 [davb]
it screws it up because the magic page is /etp.tcl and all the links are /etp?name=foo
19:52:28 [davb]
I think its fixable, but easier for me to just mount it someplace else for now.
19:52:49 [jim]
ok
19:53:03 [davb]
I also think it used to work with it mounted at etp but a change to something somewhere broke it.
19:53:33 [davb]
jim: do you plan to use wimpypoint on the same site as etp?
19:54:23 [jim]
you might not have an answer for this one (indeed, not your responsibility...)
19:55:05 [jim]
but when is the wp guy gonna look at my patch and realize it almost fixes the no-tags problem?
19:55:20 [davb]
good question.
19:55:39 [jim]
is there something I should do to let him know other than put the patch in there?
19:55:54 [davb]
See, I think there is a disconnect here, the people who ported the stuff are not necessarily interested in maintaining them :)
19:56:14 [davb]
jim: email him. I have never gotten an email frm the SDM but supposedly it sends them out.
19:56:48 [davb]
oops, i broke etp...
19:56:50 [jim]
ok, sounds good...
19:57:04 [til]
also the "i'm interested" buttons in the sdm seem to be good for nothing ...
19:57:35 [jim]
they're supposed to mail you stuff if you;re interested
19:59:28 [jim]
is the sdm ported to oacs4?
20:00:02 [til]
no, unfortunately not
20:00:28 [til]
i read don plans to mount the 3.x instance on the new site until something better is available
20:01:40 [jim]
OK, if there's this breakage between port and maint, I think someone should see which apps are ported just enough to be sorta usable (i.e., crosses the port|maint line) and put up a "Hi, adopt-a-package to maintain!" app
20:02:24 [jim]
with the list of maintainable packages in there, and a column added to the package listing separating porting from maintaining
20:02:55 [til]
also you might want to mail the assigned tester for wp, maybe he knows more
20:03:06 [jim]
ok
20:03:28 [til]
you know where? there's the assigned testers table somewhere in new-file-storage
20:03:35 [jim]
* jim notes my patch applies to last nite's nightly
20:04:21 [jim]
hmmm, maybe I dont' know where that table is
20:04:43 [til]
just a second
20:05:38 [til]
http://openacs.org/new-file-storage/download/test-assignments.html?version_id=437
20:05:38 [chump]
H: http://openacs.org/new-file-storage/download/test-assignments.html?version_id=437 from til
20:05:51 [jim]
davb: also, can general comments be applied to etps?
20:05:57 [til]
hmm, there's no entry for wp
20:06:36 [jim]
or anything beyond T*
20:06:50 [davb]
jim: yes. I think there is a little file in there somewhere that explains how.
20:07:09 [davb]
I will be trying it soon :)
20:07:49 [davb]
duh :)
20:08:05 [davb]
I have the index.vuh from etp leftover but I reloaded the data model.
20:24:06 [jim]
here's something I think would really be impressive... and you're already moving toward it, probably already thought of it...
20:24:14 [davb]
:)
20:24:46 [davb]
ok, I am stumped.
20:24:56 [jim]
if you could get everything in the congratulations page into an etp...
20:25:22 [davb]
Something is still picking up the wimpypoint in the list of ETP pages mounted at /
20:26:01 [jim]
all the links, the place where it says "you're logged in as foo (<a>change login</a>)"
20:26:13 [davb]
oops, I crashed the server again.
20:26:13 [jim]
or the login widget
20:26:28 [jim]
and the links at the bottom
20:26:38 [jim]
and have all those be content items
20:27:29 [davb]
jim: thats a cool idea.
20:28:28 [jim]
then you ship openacs with etp enabled on /, with that content... hook it into the site map...
20:29:14 [jim]
Once you have that, you could do a skin editor
20:29:24 [davb]
spiffy.
20:29:46 [davb]
ETP has a internal link feature, so all the links to the site map etc can use that.
20:29:48 [jim]
then everyone really can immediately customize it
20:30:06 [jim]
s/it/openacs/
20:30:10 [davb]
Only thing is OpenACS: The Toolkit is really not built for that :)
20:30:20 [davb]
you are talking about OpenACS: The Application
20:30:35 [davb]
But its a great idea.
20:31:46 [jim]
I think you -do- have a lot of the things in place to support it...'
20:31:51 [jim]
forexample
20:32:16 [jim]
add a page calls up a site map function to do its work
20:32:47 [davb]
interesting.
20:33:11 [jim]
I'm just pointing out that you have -really- big opportunities to integrate this thing
20:33:19 [davb]
I agree.
20:33:25 [davb]
I just wish I could fix this query :)
20:46:48 [davb]
Aha, I think I see the problem.
20:47:15 [davb]
WP content_items are created with the parent_id set to null. I think ETP items are also.
20:47:43 [davb]
So they have the same parent_id and ETP picks them up in the query.
20:48:24 [davb]
wait, not ETP does it right, it uses Folder_id. WP leaves it out totally.
20:48:25 [davb]
oops.
20:49:32 [davb]
it should use the package_id so that each instance of the package can only see its own wimpypoints
20:51:14 [davb]
jim: Don is the maintainerof WP, he was probably just too busy :)
20:51:29 [jim]
ahh, ok
20:51:54 [jim]
would he be able to confirm if the sdm emails were getting to him?
20:51:58 [davb]
at least in the SDM he is. he might be listed as maintainer for all of them, now that I think of it.
20:52:04 [jim]
they must, I got them
20:52:11 [davb]
really?
20:52:24 [jim]
well, from other sections of it
20:52:45 [davb]
interesting.
20:53:00 [jim]
I clicked "im interested" in openacs 4 overall
20:53:06 [jim]
so I was getting patches
20:53:08 [davb]
ok.
20:53:39 [davb]
jim: according to openacs.org, I _am_ interested and I have never gotten a patch or bug report.
20:53:42 [davb]
weird.
20:54:03 [jim]
hmm
20:54:25 [davb]
according the the status doc JackP and SidW are the guys doing the port.
20:54:54 [jim]
maybe it was oacs -3- I was interested in, and it was a different instance of sdm...
20:55:07 [jim]
I forget now :)
20:55:09 [davb]
its a mystery
20:55:24 [jim]
and it's probably history :)
20:55:27 [davb]
heh
20:55:47 [davb]
ok. wp_presentation__new should take the parent_id are a parameter.
20:58:07 [jim]
you're integrating wp with etp?
20:58:35 [davb]
no, I am fixing a bug that appears when you install etp :)
20:58:49 [davb]
I could just ignore it, I don't even plan on using wp
20:59:10 [davb]
weird, there is NO tcl api for wp. its all in the pages. ick
21:02:14 [davb]
ok. cool. the package_id already exists. we just stuff it in when we create the presentation and ...poof... its fixed.
21:02:16 [davb]
:)
21:02:45 [davb]
I wonder what the oracle version does...
21:05:58 [davb]
time to do the datamodel shuffle!
21:07:49 [davb]
til: can you please remind me of the secret CVS diff incantation I will need in a couple of minutes? :)
21:10:24 [til]
you mean for submitting a patch?
21:11:07 [davb]
til: yes
21:13:58 [til]
cd to package root, e.g. cd /web/oacs/packages/wp-slim, then cvs diff -c www/path/to/changed_file.tcl > patchfilename.patch
21:14:07 [til]
but no warranty ;)
21:14:28 [davb]
ok thanks.
21:15:07 [davb]
argh, bug
21:16:06 [til]
What?? a bug?? in openacs4??? can't be!!
21:16:08 [davb]
oops, duh
21:16:11 [davb]
no in my code.
21:16:23 [davb]
even more common than Oacs4 in general :)
21:16:57 [davb]
I think I should try vinods 7.2 patch and use create or replace
21:18:44 [davb]
aha, it was in the XQL, easy to reload.
21:19:31 [davb]
aha, it works.
21:19:41 [davb]
thanks! time to go home now.
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