00:32:11 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.5 [Mozilla rv:0.9.7/20011221]") 00:50:32 Anybody uses X configured for accents there? 01:06:09 beattiek has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:06:10 beattiek (beattiek@bmhd25b1y14ha.bc.hsia.telus.net) has joined #openacs 02:29:46 talilee (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 02:37:09 jdogg88 (~jdogg1988@regnsk01d05010114.sk.sympatico.ca) has joined #openacs 02:37:17 hello 02:38:42 hey jdogg88 02:39:34 is thios forum about amd mobos? 02:39:53 no, it's a forum about openacs http://www.openacs.org 02:40:38 whoa! 02:40:50 i need to refine my google searches 02:41:00 sorry :) 02:41:24 jdogg88 has left #openacs 03:10:28 talilee has left #openacs 04:33:10 ugh.... 04:33:11 madvenn (~madvenu@se2027.a01.antarix.net) has joined #openacs 04:44:03 madvenn has quit (Remote closed the connection) 04:50:33 madvenn (~madvenu@se2027.a01.antarix.net) has joined #OpenACS 04:51:15 hi, is openacs planning to migrate to the Java based, as ACS 4.6x ? 04:53:41 No 04:53:52 good ! 04:53:55 :) 04:54:12 so that means OpenACS will continue to be based on TCL and will fork from ACS ? 04:54:20 no. 04:54:38 OpenACS is no longer related to current ACS versions. 04:55:06 it is still based on TCL. 04:55:21 uh 04:55:28 ok 04:55:31 oh, i misread that. 04:55:43 yes, you are absolutly correct. 04:56:04 You are an ACS hacker? 04:56:19 what about the features ? new features in ACS 4.6x ? 04:56:31 yes there are some 04:56:33 would they be ported to OpenACS ? 04:56:41 Nope, i am NOT an ACS hacker, 04:56:43 maybe 04:56:55 however, our company is planning to start a team working on ACS 04:56:58 there is no requirement for them to be ported, but some are. 04:57:15 and I had long back tried out both ACS and OpenACS 04:57:46 I liked the original TCL version better than the new bloated Java versions 04:57:54 :) 04:58:00 not suprising. 04:58:07 so was looking at both current projects to see where to put my energies.. 04:58:32 Hopefully here :) 04:58:51 Well, it depends on my fellow developers here... 04:58:59 *nod* 04:59:00 I will soon find out ! :) 04:59:18 thanks 04:59:36 Postgresql is at the point where i am very happy to use it as a ACID complient database. 04:59:41 no prob 04:59:46 Hope to see you around. 04:59:58 sure, will be back 05:00:01 bye for now.. 05:00:27 * beattiek waves 05:00:43 madvenn has left #OpenACS 07:24:35 beattiek has quit (Remote closed the connection) 08:40:36 beattiek (beattiek@bmhd25b1y14ha.bc.hsia.telus.net) has joined #openacs 08:54:40 beattiek has quit (Remote closed the connection) 08:55:17 beattiek (beattiek@bmhd25b1y14ha.bc.hsia.telus.net) has joined #openacs 10:43:40 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.10.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 11:31:42 markd2 has quit () 13:43:24 davb (~dave@cm-208-136-23-203.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:49:44 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.10.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 13:52:05 http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2002/sonycar.html 13:52:05 A: http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2002/sonycar.html from davb 13:52:18 A:|Sony in-dash unit rips CDs on the fly 13:52:19 titled item A 13:52:25 A: this is cool 13:52:25 commented item A 13:52:51 A: Sony must be one of the most conflicted multiple personality corporations ever 13:52:51 commented item A 13:53:03 heh 13:53:30 but they do tend to make some cool stuff 13:53:55 yes. 13:54:18 A: "Unless Sony Electronics wants to walk away from the digital player market they have to provide products that compel consumers, not products its sister company Sony Music feels are "safe". " 13:54:18 commented item A 13:54:21 I've got on a pair of their cheapy $10 k-mart headphones, and theyr'e surprisingly good 13:54:35 yes, they make excellent cheap headphones. 13:55:02 all their electronics are great. its just the irony of sony electronics and sony music :) 13:55:13 yeah 14:01:46 http://news.lugnet.com/robotics/rcx/legos/?n=2247 14:01:46 B: http://news.lugnet.com/robotics/rcx/legos/?n=2247 from davb 14:01:56 B:|TCP/IP enabled Lego brick 14:01:56 titled item B 14:04:38 http://tclxml.sourceforge.net/tcltidy.html 14:04:39 C: http://tclxml.sourceforge.net/tcltidy.html from davb 14:04:59 C:|TclTidy, clean up HTML with Tcl 14:04:59 titled item C 14:06:57 talilee (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 14:09:35 now with scrubbing bubbles 14:09:58 heh 14:10:10 darnies, my tcldom seems to be broken. 14:18:00 http://www.news12.com/CDA/Articles/View/0,2049,5-5-32530-17,00.html 14:18:01 D: http://www.news12.com/CDA/Articles/View/0,2049,5-5-32530-17,00.html from Psychephylax 14:18:07 D:| A little too close to home 14:18:07 titled item D 14:18:13 D: And I slept right through it 14:18:13 commented item D 14:18:32 * Psychephylax gives Markd a cookie 14:21:22 yay! 14:21:41 http://www2.ocn.ne.jp/~bbshop/ipod_self/ipod_self.html 14:21:42 E: http://www2.ocn.ne.jp/~bbshop/ipod_self/ipod_self.html from markd2 14:21:58 E:| do-it-yourself ipod coverings 14:21:58 titled item E 14:22:14 E: assuming you actaully like leopard print (or whatever that is) 14:22:14 commented item E 14:22:44 hmmm 14:22:58 what do you people prefer for hard drives 14:23:42 I have used every kind, they all suck 14:23:50 yeah but I need to get 2 14:24:08 I do believe that SCSI drives are made to last longer than ide drives. 14:24:08 and I'd rather not have them crap out on me a month after I get them 14:24:25 * Psychephylax thwaps© davb for suggesting SCSI 14:25:05 what? 14:25:16 I don't have money for SCSI 14:25:19 I suspect that is one reason they cost more. 14:25:20 or get firewire drives 14:25:30 I wonder if they are as reliable as SCSI 14:25:51 SCSI are designed to run all the time in a server. IDE drives are designed to work in a little used desktop machine. 14:25:53 i need a 60 gig 7200rpm 2mb buffer hard drive that's IDE 14:26:03 Psychephylax -the dudes I colocate with use Western Digital 14:26:04 avoid Maxtor 14:26:15 yeah maxtor == ick 14:26:26 I have a seagate that seems to work and a couple of WDs 14:26:27 as a data point, I've had two IBM scsi drives fail in my colo box 14:26:51 yes I had an IBM GXP75 fail and a WD just not boot one day I woke up 14:26:54 one developed quite the squeal, the other decided to Stop Working after I removed the squealing drive 14:26:59 the replacement seems to be working good so far 14:27:19 Everyone raves about the GXP60's though 14:27:42 Maybe they are better, or they fixed whatever was wrong. 14:28:02 Psychephylax: get one with a 3 year warranty and backup your data 14:28:24 Well, what I was planning on doing was getting 2 drives for a RAID array in mirroring mode 14:28:31 Also a good idea. 14:28:34 raid != backups 14:28:43 right! 14:28:49 how do you figure 14:28:49 lol 14:28:58 If one drive fails, I can always get my mp3s off the other drive 14:29:02 drop table my_very_import_table 14:29:06 oops. restore from backup 14:29:13 heh 14:29:15 oops, it's changed on both drives 14:29:25 well duuuuh 14:29:27 it'll protect you from one kind of failure - a single drive 14:29:31 but I don't plan on dropping tables :p 14:29:33 cheap fast backup solution 3 drives. two mirrored. 14:29:44 yeah 14:29:49 although not super reliable. 14:30:02 but that doesn't help in the situation where a bad power supply fries your drives 14:30:07 or a bad controller 14:30:15 aha. 3rd hard drive in another machine? 14:30:28 for smaller capacities, tape 14:30:43 dunno how to handle the huge drives unless you're already in a shop with centralized backup 14:30:58 at home I've got a scsi dat drive i hook up to the powerbooks for doing backups 14:31:00 very handy 14:31:09 and I've had to restore from the them too 14:31:12 I need one of those. 14:31:13 * markd2 is a big believer in backups 14:31:23 dat's hard to find these days 14:31:30 well, in consumer marts 14:31:37 * davb is a big believer in not having any valuable data 14:31:43 APS totally pissed me off, so I'm not buying anything from them 14:31:44 heh 14:31:44 i'm with dave 14:31:45 I have a 4 G dat. 14:32:04 I only have 10 gigs of mp3s that are of any value 14:32:22 kinda small, but I could just put my actual data on there. 14:32:47 I did have one of them crap out, it backed up the drive and verified. the tape was actually blank. 14:32:48 yeah 14:32:54 ooof 14:33:01 maybe it's a value judgement of your data 14:33:05 heh 14:33:08 "your music sucks. I'm not gonna put that on *my* tape" 14:33:15 lol 14:33:19 but it didn't have to lie about it. 14:33:20 * Psychephylax gives mark another cookie 14:33:25 cookies! 14:33:35 :) 14:33:47 damn, after I fixed the MX records I am getting a whole lot of not nice spam. 14:34:04 :) 14:34:04 time to setup some spam filtery thing. 14:34:42 procmail! 14:35:04 I had something that looked really nice in the chump... 14:35:19 I gotta get the search hooked up. 14:35:53 google to the rescue! 14:36:09 :-/ 14:36:23 TMDA - tagged message delivery agent. 14:36:28 so if you had to pick between IBM, WD, Maxtor or Seagate which one would you get? 14:36:57 What does the internet say? Or are the results inconclusive? 14:37:14 dave. you asking me? 14:37:18 I have had fairly good luck with WD drives. 14:37:23 Psychephylax: yeah. 14:37:28 inconclusive 14:37:48 I've had good experiences with WD 14:38:09 here's another question 14:38:36 Do you guys know of any companies that replace RMAed drives with new drives not their refurbished/remanufactured drives? 14:38:46 i know IBM and WD do not 14:38:54 maxtor does not. 14:39:05 Maxtor does not what 14:39:17 Maxtor uses remanufactured drives too? 14:39:34 they've probably stopped manufacturing those drives by the time they get failures in the field 14:39:48 heh you'd think so right? 14:41:52 maxtor uses remanufactured drives 14:42:11 ok 14:42:16 this leaves Seagate 14:42:22 I had a maxtor, I sent it back, it broke again, they did send another. 14:42:50 I suspect they also use remanufactured drives. just check the warratny info. It probably says. 14:43:01 nah 14:43:02 Anyway, imagine they fixed your drive and sent it back to you. 14:43:04 that would be too easy 14:43:05 lol 14:43:13 Then it would be a refurb. 14:43:36 This way they just send you another one right away and fix it later and send it to the next person. 14:43:50 right 14:43:53 That's what WD did 14:44:56 I'd rather have a refurb drive immediately than my fixed drive a week or two later 14:45:03 I'd just restore from backups and get back on the air :-) 14:45:05 I doubt any electonics are fixed or replaced with new. 14:45:33 yeah but I'd rather have a new one 14:45:46 I wonder what the warranty is on the IBM refurbs. Newegg.com has them for cheap. 14:46:49 and they replaced my monitor with a new one 14:46:49 because I called them and told them there's no way in hell I'll take a refurbished unit 14:46:49 My monitor died like a month after I got it 14:46:49 I didn't spend 400$ to buy a refurbished one 14:47:49 the refurb is probably better tested than a new model. 14:48:06 :) 14:48:24 i dunno 14:48:31 I don't mind refurbed parts 14:48:38 but not when they store something important like data 14:48:56 sound card, cd-rom drive, video card..I can deal with 14:49:00 hard drives...no 14:49:33 tmda is a debian package! yeah! 14:50:01 I wonder how it works. 14:51:03 hmmm 14:51:09 Can I afford 230$ more 14:52:30 heh, it just let the messages through. hmmmm 14:54:55 hey guys 14:55:02 hey talli 14:56:27 i'm headed to LinuxExpo in about an hour or sp 14:56:28 so 14:56:35 LinuxExpo? 14:56:36 Where at? 14:56:38 cool 14:56:57 sweet 14:57:01 linuxexpo at the javitz center in NYC 14:57:45 oh cool 14:57:48 I should go 14:57:51 but i'm sick 14:57:56 go infect folks! 14:58:07 Typhoid Mary vs PsycheAnthrax 14:58:10 Psychephylax, the flu? 14:58:25 yep 14:58:54 whoof. that flu is going around 14:59:00 yes it is 14:59:02 i know many people that are currently taken down with it 14:59:08 stomach flu, perchance? 14:59:13 no 14:59:16 Regular kind 14:59:24 the one that comes with 103ºF temp 14:59:27 wow this tmda is alot of work. I think hitting d several times a day is easier. 14:59:35 Psychephylax: that is what I had 15:00:02 yowch 15:00:16 Psychephylax, do me a favor... stay home. 15:00:31 i am staying home 15:00:35 stayed home since Friday 15:14:19 * markd2 puts on his face mask 15:16:22 hmmm 15:16:43 everyone says they haven't had any problems with Maxtor 15:26:05 xemacs5 (patrick@205.247.253.73) has joined #openacs 15:26:17 davb, tmda can be a pain to setup but people that have used it say it works great 15:26:55 shagster: yeah, it looks really useful. It does everything :) 15:28:18 Just about, if you can get it installed :) 15:34:26 Anyone use Seagate drives? 15:36:47 what about seagates? 15:40:17 Sometimes, I think you should just get to shoot people at telco companys *grr* 15:41:36 I'm trying to find 2 hard drives to buy 15:41:52 SCSI or IDE ? 15:42:10 IDE 15:42:15 No IBM 15:42:16 lol 15:42:35 Hey, IBM drivers make nice paper weights :) 15:42:48 Yes I know 15:42:53 I have one holding down my papers right now! 15:44:12 I've had good look with Maxtor on the IDE side. 15:44:36 I generally use Seagate SCSI drivers 15:44:40 Umm drives 15:45:58 there are good prices on the 7200RPM 20GB IDE drives these days 15:46:29 i'm looking for a 60 gig 15:46:40 actually 2 60 gig drives ;) 15:46:43 mmm....RAID 15:48:20 for performance, or just for uninterrupted operation in case one drive fails? 15:49:06 I'd rather not have drive failures 15:49:52 I have a 7gig Maxtor that's like 5 years old 15:49:55 4 years 15:50:02 Still humming ;) 15:51:10 it's a tossup between Maxtor and Seagate 15:51:38 4$ difference, Maxtor has ATA133 and .5 ms faster seek time but otherwise they're comparable 15:53:27 diouble check the warranty 15:53:35 3 years on both 15:55:36 http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/internet_utilities/searchgoogleservice.html 15:55:36 F: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/internet_utilities/searchgoogleservice.html from davb 15:55:51 F:|Google Search service for OS X 15:55:51 titled item F 15:56:25 F:"A simple background service (for the Services menu) to take selected text and apply it to a Google search using the “Shift-Apple-G” key combination. Opens your default web browser." 15:56:26 commented item F 16:15:04 http://www.skippingdot.net/2002/01/29 16:15:04 G: http://www.skippingdot.net/2002/01/29 from davb 16:15:29 G:|Review of Postgresql Essential Reference 16:15:30 titled item G 16:28:12 cool. I'll need t get that 16:28:28 I picked up the PG Developer's Guide, and am not too impressed 16:28:47 badly organized and horrible (i.e. no) editing 16:31:12 tils (tils@port-212-202-128-214.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 16:31:13 Developer's Handbook? 16:32:31 ah I found it. 16:34:14 saw it at BNI a couple of weeks ago and picked it up 16:34:49 only 3 stars at amazon for the developers guide:( 16:37:27 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1558604421/qid=/sr=/ref=cm_lm_asin/103-5108192-1864634 16:37:28 H: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1558604421/qid=/sr=/ref=cm_lm_asin/103-5108192-1864634 from davb 16:37:35 H:|Programming Language Pragmatics 16:37:36 titled item H 16:39:15 H: looks interesting if you like that kind of thing 16:39:16 commented item H 17:00:09 I have not yet found a Postgres book that has answers that I can't find via google or techdocs.postgresql.org 17:00:27 which is what I need to see before I plunk down my hard-earned cash :-) 17:00:54 goog point. Some people like the dead trees though. 17:01:28 s/goog/good :) 17:02:56 I find books easier than web searches 17:03:03 could be that my net connection SUCKS. 17:03:59 that could do it. :( 17:06:22 http://techdocs.postgresql.org/techdocs/pgsqldbtuning.php 17:06:23 I: http://techdocs.postgresql.org/techdocs/pgsqldbtuning.php from davb 17:06:28 Momjian's book is pretty good, and it supports the development 17:06:30 I:|Postgesql database tuning 17:06:31 titled item I 17:07:01 I find the "Beginning Databases with PostgreSQL" pretty good too. I was a technical reviewer of that book. 17:07:46 I haven't yet bought Momjian's book for lack of cash. But I will, just as a show of support. 17:08:05 Oh my gosh! I think I finally finished this homework! 17:08:13 woot! 17:08:13 That was huge 17:08:32 Finite automata stuff 17:11:22 * markd2 is a finite (but expanding) automata 17:13:17 ARGH!!!!! Spoke too soon 17:13:49 vinod (~vinod@216-164-247-249.s2471.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 17:17:20 hi vinod! 17:19:29 hey davb! 17:19:29 the Vinodicator! 17:19:51 the markd2eator! 17:24:44 vinod! 17:25:02 loggy! 17:25:35 for i in /who; echo "$i!"; end 17:31:09 underscore 17:31:19 oops 17:33:58 Hey Vinod! 17:34:16 Psychephylax is back! 17:34:20 yes 17:34:32 I'm sick so I stay home and pester mark and dave and roberto :) 17:34:36 * Psychephylax gives mark a cookie 17:35:00 It's back to work tomorrow... Nooooo!! :{ 17:35:12 doh 17:35:12 Vinod, what's the definition of "uber" ? 17:36:10 from m-w.com: above everything else 17:36:23 ok thanks :) 17:36:40 np 17:38:08 so what's everyone up to? 17:38:16 I'm prolonging the fact that I have to clean my desk and room 17:38:25 then go to Home Depot or Radio Shed 17:42:05 hmmm 17:42:10 Anyone handy with stuff around here? 17:42:19 Like heat shrink? 17:47:04 Psychephylax: what are you trying to do? 17:47:05 denshi (~chatzilla@adsl-216-62-223-193.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 17:49:56 davb, have you read the languages book you just linked? 17:50:06 no. 17:50:16 I want to take the cables inside my computer case and make them neater 17:50:21 I am nowhere near the level I'd want to be before reading that 17:50:21 urm. 17:50:39 Psychephylax: get some of the plastic loom stuff. 17:50:39 I figured I could heatshrink them :) 17:50:45 I'm reading the excerpts on amazon atm. 17:50:46 that's what I'm going to Home Depot for 17:51:05 its split in half, just stuff the wires in. much easier. 17:51:09 i think I'll pick up a can of silver paint too and spray paint them 17:51:32 Somewhere I know there is a link for splitting IDE cables to do that. 17:51:35 it's kind of bizarre. amazon posted sample pages of like the whole TOC, 4 pages of text, and half the index. 17:51:47 so it's got that spiffy industrial look too 17:51:48 Weird. 17:52:01 Psychephylax: can't you order some custom cables? :) 17:52:17 get some glow in the dark ones and get the UV light kit 17:52:22 but it looks kind of algol-focused, and aimed at assembly-tweaking code bums. 17:52:26 I can but at 14$ a pop I'd rather try exploring alternatives first 17:52:37 plus, they don't have custom power supply cables :) 17:52:49 Psychephylax: ah 17:52:56 denshi: oh... 17:53:30 so I'm going to get some electrical tape, tie wraps, spit wire loom stuff and silver spray paint 17:53:39 The thing is... 17:53:41 was that an 'oh' of pain, surprise, or ecstasy? 17:53:52 it doesn't matter since my computer has no hard drive! 17:55:13 denshi: heh. disappointment? the reviews say its good. 17:55:35