IRC log of openacs on 2002-01-30

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Anybody uses X configured for accents there?
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02:37:17 [jdogg88]
hello
02:38:42 [talilee]
hey jdogg88
02:39:34 [jdogg88]
is thios forum about amd mobos?
02:39:53 [talilee]
no, it's a forum about openacs http://www.openacs.org
02:40:38 [jdogg88]
whoa!
02:40:50 [jdogg88]
i need to refine my google searches
02:41:00 [talilee]
sorry :)
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04:33:10 [shagster]
ugh....
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04:51:15 [madvenn]
hi, is openacs planning to migrate to the Java based, as ACS 4.6x ?
04:53:41 [beattiek]
No
04:53:52 [madvenn]
good !
04:53:55 [beattiek]
:)
04:54:12 [madvenn]
so that means OpenACS will continue to be based on TCL and will fork from ACS ?
04:54:20 [beattiek]
no.
04:54:38 [beattiek]
OpenACS is no longer related to current ACS versions.
04:55:06 [beattiek]
it is still based on TCL.
04:55:21 [beattiek]
uh
04:55:28 [madvenn]
ok
04:55:31 [beattiek]
oh, i misread that.
04:55:43 [beattiek]
yes, you are absolutly correct.
04:56:04 [beattiek]
You are an ACS hacker?
04:56:19 [madvenn]
what about the features ? new features in ACS 4.6x ?
04:56:31 [beattiek]
yes there are some
04:56:33 [madvenn]
would they be ported to OpenACS ?
04:56:41 [madvenn]
Nope, i am NOT an ACS hacker,
04:56:43 [beattiek]
maybe
04:56:55 [madvenn]
however, our company is planning to start a team working on ACS
04:56:58 [beattiek]
there is no requirement for them to be ported, but some are.
04:57:15 [madvenn]
and I had long back tried out both ACS and OpenACS
04:57:46 [madvenn]
I liked the original TCL version better than the new bloated Java versions
04:57:54 [beattiek]
:)
04:58:00 [beattiek]
not suprising.
04:58:07 [madvenn]
so was looking at both current projects to see where to put my energies..
04:58:32 [beattiek]
Hopefully here :)
04:58:51 [madvenn]
Well, it depends on my fellow developers here...
04:58:59 [beattiek]
*nod*
04:59:00 [madvenn]
I will soon find out ! :)
04:59:18 [madvenn]
thanks
04:59:36 [beattiek]
Postgresql is at the point where i am very happy to use it as a ACID complient database.
04:59:41 [beattiek]
no prob
04:59:46 [beattiek]
Hope to see you around.
04:59:58 [madvenn]
sure, will be back
05:00:01 [madvenn]
bye for now..
05:00:27 [beattiek]
* beattiek waves
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13:52:05 [davb]
http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2002/sonycar.html
13:52:05 [chump]
A: http://www.mp3newswire.net/stories/2002/sonycar.html from davb
13:52:18 [davb]
A:|Sony in-dash unit rips CDs on the fly
13:52:19 [chump]
titled item A
13:52:25 [davb]
A: this is cool
13:52:25 [chump]
commented item A
13:52:51 [davb]
A: Sony must be one of the most conflicted multiple personality corporations ever
13:52:51 [chump]
commented item A
13:53:03 [markd2]
heh
13:53:30 [markd2]
but they do tend to make some cool stuff
13:53:55 [davb]
yes.
13:54:18 [davb]
A: "Unless Sony Electronics wants to walk away from the digital player market they have to provide products that compel consumers, not products its sister company Sony Music feels are "safe". "
13:54:18 [chump]
commented item A
13:54:21 [markd2]
I've got on a pair of their cheapy $10 k-mart headphones, and theyr'e surprisingly good
13:54:35 [davb]
yes, they make excellent cheap headphones.
13:55:02 [davb]
all their electronics are great. its just the irony of sony electronics and sony music :)
13:55:13 [markd2]
yeah
14:01:46 [davb]
http://news.lugnet.com/robotics/rcx/legos/?n=2247
14:01:46 [chump]
B: http://news.lugnet.com/robotics/rcx/legos/?n=2247 from davb
14:01:56 [davb]
B:|TCP/IP enabled Lego brick
14:01:56 [chump]
titled item B
14:04:38 [davb]
http://tclxml.sourceforge.net/tcltidy.html
14:04:39 [chump]
C: http://tclxml.sourceforge.net/tcltidy.html from davb
14:04:59 [davb]
C:|TclTidy, clean up HTML with Tcl
14:04:59 [chump]
titled item C
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14:09:35 [markd2]
now with scrubbing bubbles
14:09:58 [davb]
heh
14:10:10 [davb]
darnies, my tcldom seems to be broken.
14:18:00 [Psychephylax]
http://www.news12.com/CDA/Articles/View/0,2049,5-5-32530-17,00.html
14:18:01 [chump]
D: http://www.news12.com/CDA/Articles/View/0,2049,5-5-32530-17,00.html from Psychephylax
14:18:07 [Psychephylax]
D:| A little too close to home
14:18:07 [chump]
titled item D
14:18:13 [Psychephylax]
D: And I slept right through it
14:18:13 [chump]
commented item D
14:18:32 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax gives Markd a cookie
14:21:22 [markd2]
yay!
14:21:41 [markd2]
http://www2.ocn.ne.jp/~bbshop/ipod_self/ipod_self.html
14:21:42 [chump]
E: http://www2.ocn.ne.jp/~bbshop/ipod_self/ipod_self.html from markd2
14:21:58 [markd2]
E:| do-it-yourself ipod coverings
14:21:58 [chump]
titled item E
14:22:14 [markd2]
E: assuming you actaully like leopard print (or whatever that is)
14:22:14 [chump]
commented item E
14:22:44 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
14:22:58 [Psychephylax]
what do you people prefer for hard drives
14:23:42 [davb]
I have used every kind, they all suck
14:23:50 [Psychephylax]
yeah but I need to get 2
14:24:08 [davb]
I do believe that SCSI drives are made to last longer than ide drives.
14:24:08 [Psychephylax]
and I'd rather not have them crap out on me a month after I get them
14:24:25 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax thwaps© davb for suggesting SCSI
14:25:05 [davb]
what?
14:25:16 [Psychephylax]
I don't have money for SCSI
14:25:19 [davb]
I suspect that is one reason they cost more.
14:25:20 [markd2]
or get firewire drives
14:25:30 [davb]
I wonder if they are as reliable as SCSI
14:25:51 [davb]
SCSI are designed to run all the time in a server. IDE drives are designed to work in a little used desktop machine.
14:25:53 [Psychephylax]
i need a 60 gig 7200rpm 2mb buffer hard drive that's IDE
14:26:03 [markd2]
Psychephylax -the dudes I colocate with use Western Digital
14:26:04 [markd2]
avoid Maxtor
14:26:15 [davb]
yeah maxtor == ick
14:26:26 [davb]
I have a seagate that seems to work and a couple of WDs
14:26:27 [markd2]
as a data point, I've had two IBM scsi drives fail in my colo box
14:26:51 [Psychephylax]
yes I had an IBM GXP75 fail and a WD just not boot one day I woke up
14:26:54 [markd2]
one developed quite the squeal, the other decided to Stop Working after I removed the squealing drive
14:26:59 [Psychephylax]
the replacement seems to be working good so far
14:27:19 [Psychephylax]
Everyone raves about the GXP60's though
14:27:42 [davb]
Maybe they are better, or they fixed whatever was wrong.
14:28:02 [davb]
Psychephylax: get one with a 3 year warranty and backup your data
14:28:24 [Psychephylax]
Well, what I was planning on doing was getting 2 drives for a RAID array in mirroring mode
14:28:31 [davb]
Also a good idea.
14:28:34 [markd2]
raid != backups
14:28:43 [davb]
right!
14:28:49 [Psychephylax]
how do you figure
14:28:49 [Psychephylax]
lol
14:28:58 [Psychephylax]
If one drive fails, I can always get my mp3s off the other drive
14:29:02 [markd2]
drop table my_very_import_table
14:29:06 [markd2]
oops. restore from backup
14:29:13 [davb]
heh
14:29:15 [markd2]
oops, it's changed on both drives
14:29:25 [Psychephylax]
well duuuuh
14:29:27 [markd2]
it'll protect you from one kind of failure - a single drive
14:29:31 [Psychephylax]
but I don't plan on dropping tables :p
14:29:33 [davb]
cheap fast backup solution 3 drives. two mirrored.
14:29:44 [markd2]
yeah
14:29:49 [davb]
although not super reliable.
14:30:02 [markd2]
but that doesn't help in the situation where a bad power supply fries your drives
14:30:07 [markd2]
or a bad controller
14:30:15 [davb]
aha. 3rd hard drive in another machine?
14:30:28 [markd2]
for smaller capacities, tape
14:30:43 [markd2]
dunno how to handle the huge drives unless you're already in a shop with centralized backup
14:30:58 [markd2]
at home I've got a scsi dat drive i hook up to the powerbooks for doing backups
14:31:00 [markd2]
very handy
14:31:09 [markd2]
and I've had to restore from the them too
14:31:12 [davb]
I need one of those.
14:31:13 [markd2]
* markd2 is a big believer in backups
14:31:23 [markd2]
dat's hard to find these days
14:31:30 [markd2]
well, in consumer marts
14:31:37 [davb]
* davb is a big believer in not having any valuable data
14:31:43 [markd2]
APS totally pissed me off, so I'm not buying anything from them
14:31:44 [markd2]
heh
14:31:44 [Psychephylax]
i'm with dave
14:31:45 [davb]
I have a 4 G dat.
14:32:04 [Psychephylax]
I only have 10 gigs of mp3s that are of any value
14:32:22 [davb]
kinda small, but I could just put my actual data on there.
14:32:47 [davb]
I did have one of them crap out, it backed up the drive and verified. the tape was actually blank.
14:32:48 [markd2]
yeah
14:32:54 [markd2]
ooof
14:33:01 [markd2]
maybe it's a value judgement of your data
14:33:05 [davb]
heh
14:33:08 [markd2]
"your music sucks. I'm not gonna put that on *my* tape"
14:33:15 [Psychephylax]
lol
14:33:19 [davb]
but it didn't have to lie about it.
14:33:20 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax gives mark another cookie
14:33:25 [markd2]
cookies!
14:33:35 [Psychephylax]
:)
14:33:47 [davb]
damn, after I fixed the MX records I am getting a whole lot of not nice spam.
14:34:04 [Psychephylax]
:)
14:34:04 [davb]
time to setup some spam filtery thing.
14:34:42 [Psychephylax]
procmail!
14:35:04 [davb]
I had something that looked really nice in the chump...
14:35:19 [davb]
I gotta get the search hooked up.
14:35:53 [davb]
google to the rescue!
14:36:09 [Psychephylax]
:-/
14:36:23 [davb]
TMDA - tagged message delivery agent.
14:36:28 [Psychephylax]
so if you had to pick between IBM, WD, Maxtor or Seagate which one would you get?
14:36:57 [davb]
What does the internet say? Or are the results inconclusive?
14:37:14 [Psychephylax]
dave. you asking me?
14:37:18 [davb]
I have had fairly good luck with WD drives.
14:37:23 [davb]
Psychephylax: yeah.
14:37:28 [Psychephylax]
inconclusive
14:37:48 [markd2]
I've had good experiences with WD
14:38:09 [Psychephylax]
here's another question
14:38:36 [Psychephylax]
Do you guys know of any companies that replace RMAed drives with new drives not their refurbished/remanufactured drives?
14:38:46 [Psychephylax]
i know IBM and WD do not
14:38:54 [davb]
maxtor does not.
14:39:05 [Psychephylax]
Maxtor does not what
14:39:17 [Psychephylax]
Maxtor uses remanufactured drives too?
14:39:34 [markd2]
they've probably stopped manufacturing those drives by the time they get failures in the field
14:39:48 [Psychephylax]
heh you'd think so right?
14:41:52 [davb]
maxtor uses remanufactured drives
14:42:11 [Psychephylax]
ok
14:42:16 [Psychephylax]
this leaves Seagate
14:42:22 [davb]
I had a maxtor, I sent it back, it broke again, they did send another.
14:42:50 [davb]
I suspect they also use remanufactured drives. just check the warratny info. It probably says.
14:43:01 [Psychephylax]
nah
14:43:02 [davb]
Anyway, imagine they fixed your drive and sent it back to you.
14:43:04 [Psychephylax]
that would be too easy
14:43:05 [Psychephylax]
lol
14:43:13 [davb]
Then it would be a refurb.
14:43:36 [davb]
This way they just send you another one right away and fix it later and send it to the next person.
14:43:50 [Psychephylax]
right
14:43:53 [Psychephylax]
That's what WD did
14:44:56 [markd2]
I'd rather have a refurb drive immediately than my fixed drive a week or two later
14:45:03 [markd2]
I'd just restore from backups and get back on the air :-)
14:45:05 [davb]
I doubt any electonics are fixed or replaced with new.
14:45:33 [Psychephylax]
yeah but I'd rather have a new one
14:45:46 [davb]
I wonder what the warranty is on the IBM refurbs. Newegg.com has them for cheap.
14:46:49 [Psychephylax]
and they replaced my monitor with a new one
14:46:49 [Psychephylax]
because I called them and told them there's no way in hell I'll take a refurbished unit
14:46:49 [Psychephylax]
My monitor died like a month after I got it
14:46:49 [Psychephylax]
I didn't spend 400$ to buy a refurbished one
14:47:49 [davb]
the refurb is probably better tested than a new model.
14:48:06 [davb]
:)
14:48:24 [Psychephylax]
i dunno
14:48:31 [Psychephylax]
I don't mind refurbed parts
14:48:38 [Psychephylax]
but not when they store something important like data
14:48:56 [Psychephylax]
sound card, cd-rom drive, video card..I can deal with
14:49:00 [Psychephylax]
hard drives...no
14:49:33 [davb]
tmda is a debian package! yeah!
14:50:01 [davb]
I wonder how it works.
14:51:03 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
14:51:09 [Psychephylax]
Can I afford 230$ more
14:52:30 [davb]
heh, it just let the messages through. hmmmm
14:54:55 [talilee]
hey guys
14:55:02 [Psychephylax]
hey talli
14:56:27 [talilee]
i'm headed to LinuxExpo in about an hour or sp
14:56:28 [talilee]
so
14:56:35 [Psychephylax]
LinuxExpo?
14:56:36 [Psychephylax]
Where at?
14:56:38 [davb]
cool
14:56:57 [markd2]
sweet
14:57:01 [talilee]
linuxexpo at the javitz center in NYC
14:57:45 [Psychephylax]
oh cool
14:57:48 [Psychephylax]
I should go
14:57:51 [Psychephylax]
but i'm sick
14:57:56 [markd2]
go infect folks!
14:58:07 [markd2]
Typhoid Mary vs PsycheAnthrax
14:58:10 [talilee]
Psychephylax, the flu?
14:58:25 [Psychephylax]
yep
14:58:54 [talilee]
whoof. that flu is going around
14:59:00 [Psychephylax]
yes it is
14:59:02 [talilee]
i know many people that are currently taken down with it
14:59:08 [talilee]
stomach flu, perchance?
14:59:13 [Psychephylax]
no
14:59:16 [Psychephylax]
Regular kind
14:59:24 [Psychephylax]
the one that comes with 103ºF temp
14:59:27 [davb]
wow this tmda is alot of work. I think hitting d several times a day is easier.
14:59:35 [davb]
Psychephylax: that is what I had
15:00:02 [talilee]
yowch
15:00:16 [talilee]
Psychephylax, do me a favor... stay home.
15:00:31 [Psychephylax]
i am staying home
15:00:35 [Psychephylax]
stayed home since Friday
15:14:19 [markd2]
* markd2 puts on his face mask
15:16:22 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
15:16:43 [Psychephylax]
everyone says they haven't had any problems with Maxtor
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15:26:17 [shagster]
davb, tmda can be a pain to setup but people that have used it say it works great
15:26:55 [davb]
shagster: yeah, it looks really useful. It does everything :)
15:28:18 [shagster]
Just about, if you can get it installed :)
15:34:26 [Psychephylax]
Anyone use Seagate drives?
15:36:47 [xemacs5]
what about seagates?
15:40:17 [shagster]
Sometimes, I think you should just get to shoot people at telco companys *grr*
15:41:36 [Psychephylax]
I'm trying to find 2 hard drives to buy
15:41:52 [shagster]
SCSI or IDE ?
15:42:10 [Psychephylax]
IDE
15:42:15 [Psychephylax]
No IBM
15:42:16 [Psychephylax]
lol
15:42:35 [shagster]
Hey, IBM drivers make nice paper weights :)
15:42:48 [Psychephylax]
Yes I know
15:42:53 [Psychephylax]
I have one holding down my papers right now!
15:44:12 [shagster]
I've had good look with Maxtor on the IDE side.
15:44:36 [shagster]
I generally use Seagate SCSI drivers
15:44:40 [shagster]
Umm drives
15:45:58 [xemacs5]
there are good prices on the 7200RPM 20GB IDE drives these days
15:46:29 [Psychephylax]
i'm looking for a 60 gig
15:46:40 [Psychephylax]
actually 2 60 gig drives ;)
15:46:43 [Psychephylax]
mmm....RAID
15:48:20 [xemacs5]
for performance, or just for uninterrupted operation in case one drive fails?
15:49:06 [Psychephylax]
I'd rather not have drive failures
15:49:52 [Psychephylax]
I have a 7gig Maxtor that's like 5 years old
15:49:55 [Psychephylax]
4 years
15:50:02 [Psychephylax]
Still humming ;)
15:51:10 [Psychephylax]
it's a tossup between Maxtor and Seagate
15:51:38 [Psychephylax]
4$ difference, Maxtor has ATA133 and .5 ms faster seek time but otherwise they're comparable
15:53:27 [xemacs5]
diouble check the warranty
15:53:35 [Psychephylax]
3 years on both
15:55:36 [davb]
http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/internet_utilities/searchgoogleservice.html
15:55:36 [chump]
F: http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/internet_utilities/searchgoogleservice.html from davb
15:55:51 [davb]
F:|Google Search service for OS X
15:55:51 [chump]
titled item F
15:56:25 [davb]
F:"A simple background service (for the Services menu) to take selected text and apply it to a Google search using the “Shift-Apple-G” key combination. Opens your default web browser."
15:56:26 [chump]
commented item F
16:15:04 [davb]
http://www.skippingdot.net/2002/01/29
16:15:04 [chump]
G: http://www.skippingdot.net/2002/01/29 from davb
16:15:29 [davb]
G:|Review of Postgresql Essential Reference
16:15:30 [chump]
titled item G
16:28:12 [markd2]
cool. I'll need t get that
16:28:28 [markd2]
I picked up the PG Developer's Guide, and am not too impressed
16:28:47 [markd2]
badly organized and horrible (i.e. no) editing
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16:31:13 [davb]
Developer's Handbook?
16:32:31 [davb]
ah I found it.
16:34:14 [markd2]
saw it at BNI a couple of weeks ago and picked it up
16:34:49 [davb]
only 3 stars at amazon for the developers guide:(
16:37:27 [davb]
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1558604421/qid=/sr=/ref=cm_lm_asin/103-5108192-1864634
16:37:28 [chump]
H: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1558604421/qid=/sr=/ref=cm_lm_asin/103-5108192-1864634 from davb
16:37:35 [davb]
H:|Programming Language Pragmatics
16:37:36 [chump]
titled item H
16:39:15 [davb]
H: looks interesting if you like that kind of thing
16:39:16 [chump]
commented item H
17:00:09 [xemacs5]
I have not yet found a Postgres book that has answers that I can't find via google or techdocs.postgresql.org
17:00:27 [xemacs5]
which is what I need to see before I plunk down my hard-earned cash :-)
17:00:54 [davb]
goog point. Some people like the dead trees though.
17:01:28 [davb]
s/goog/good :)
17:02:56 [markd2]
I find books easier than web searches
17:03:03 [markd2]
could be that my net connection SUCKS.
17:03:59 [davb]
that could do it. :(
17:06:22 [davb]
http://techdocs.postgresql.org/techdocs/pgsqldbtuning.php
17:06:23 [chump]
I: http://techdocs.postgresql.org/techdocs/pgsqldbtuning.php from davb
17:06:28 [rbm]
Momjian's book is pretty good, and it supports the development
17:06:30 [davb]
I:|Postgesql database tuning
17:06:31 [chump]
titled item I
17:07:01 [rbm]
I find the "Beginning Databases with PostgreSQL" pretty good too. I was a technical reviewer of that book.
17:07:46 [rbm]
I haven't yet bought Momjian's book for lack of cash. But I will, just as a show of support.
17:08:05 [rbm]
Oh my gosh! I think I finally finished this homework!
17:08:13 [markd2]
woot!
17:08:13 [rbm]
That was huge
17:08:32 [rbm]
Finite automata stuff
17:11:22 [markd2]
* markd2 is a finite (but expanding) automata
17:13:17 [rbm]
ARGH!!!!! Spoke too soon
17:13:49 [vinod]
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17:17:20 [davb]
hi vinod!
17:19:29 [vinod]
hey davb!
17:19:29 [markd2]
the Vinodicator!
17:19:51 [vinod]
the markd2eator!
17:24:44 [rbm]
vinod!
17:25:02 [markd2]
loggy!
17:25:35 [vinod]
for i in /who; echo "$i!"; end
17:31:09 [rbm]
underscore
17:31:19 [rbm]
oops
17:33:58 [Psychephylax]
Hey Vinod!
17:34:16 [vinod]
Psychephylax is back!
17:34:20 [Psychephylax]
yes
17:34:32 [Psychephylax]
I'm sick so I stay home and pester mark and dave and roberto :)
17:34:36 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax gives mark a cookie
17:35:00 [Psychephylax]
It's back to work tomorrow... Nooooo!! :{
17:35:12 [vinod]
doh
17:35:12 [Psychephylax]
Vinod, what's the definition of "uber" ?
17:36:10 [vinod]
from m-w.com: above everything else
17:36:23 [Psychephylax]
ok thanks :)
17:36:40 [vinod]
np
17:38:08 [Psychephylax]
so what's everyone up to?
17:38:16 [Psychephylax]
I'm prolonging the fact that I have to clean my desk and room
17:38:25 [Psychephylax]
then go to Home Depot or Radio Shed
17:42:05 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
17:42:10 [Psychephylax]
Anyone handy with stuff around here?
17:42:19 [Psychephylax]
Like heat shrink?
17:47:04 [davb]
Psychephylax: what are you trying to do?
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17:49:56 [denshi]
davb, have you read the languages book you just linked?
17:50:06 [davb]
no.
17:50:16 [Psychephylax]
I want to take the cables inside my computer case and make them neater
17:50:21 [davb]
I am nowhere near the level I'd want to be before reading that
17:50:21 [denshi]
urm.
17:50:39 [davb]
Psychephylax: get some of the plastic loom stuff.
17:50:39 [Psychephylax]
I figured I could heatshrink them :)
17:50:45 [denshi]
I'm reading the excerpts on amazon atm.
17:50:46 [Psychephylax]
that's what I'm going to Home Depot for
17:51:05 [davb]
its split in half, just stuff the wires in. much easier.
17:51:09 [Psychephylax]
i think I'll pick up a can of silver paint too and spray paint them
17:51:32 [davb]
Somewhere I know there is a link for splitting IDE cables to do that.
17:51:35 [denshi]
it's kind of bizarre. amazon posted sample pages of like the whole TOC, 4 pages of text, and half the index.
17:51:47 [Psychephylax]
so it's got that spiffy industrial look too
17:51:48 [davb]
Weird.
17:52:01 [davb]
Psychephylax: can't you order some custom cables? :)
17:52:17 [davb]
get some glow in the dark ones and get the UV light kit
17:52:22 [denshi]
but it looks kind of algol-focused, and aimed at assembly-tweaking code bums.
17:52:26 [Psychephylax]
I can but at 14$ a pop I'd rather try exploring alternatives first
17:52:37 [Psychephylax]
plus, they don't have custom power supply cables :)
17:52:49 [davb]
Psychephylax: ah
17:52:56 [davb]
denshi: oh...
17:53:30 [Psychephylax]
so I'm going to get some electrical tape, tie wraps, spit wire loom stuff and silver spray paint
17:53:39 [Psychephylax]
The thing is...
17:53:41 [denshi]
was that an 'oh' of pain, surprise, or ecstasy?
17:53:52 [Psychephylax]
it doesn't matter since my computer has no hard drive!
17:55:13 [davb]
denshi: heh. disappointment? the reviews say its good.
17:55:35 [Psychephylax]
burn baby burn! burn baby burn! Disco inferno!
17:55:40 [Psychephylax]
:)
17:55:47 [denshi]
I'll browse it at the bookstore. I'm just looking.
17:56:09 [Psychephylax]
MMm...afro
17:56:10 [Psychephylax]
lol
17:56:17 [denshi]
also since I'm more focused on functional types, and this book only has one chapter for that.
17:56:51 [denshi]
yesterday I posted a link on the development of T. I think I'll try to get a hold of some of the dissertations that came out of that effort.
17:57:31 [denshi]
there were apparently 5 dissertations and 1 master's thesis resulting from one summer's work on that.
17:58:03 [davb]
yeah, those guys were busy :)
18:01:11 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax begins the horrid task of cleaning his room
18:01:22 [Psychephylax]
But first! LUNCH!
18:01:23 [rbm]
* rbm goes to eat
18:01:27 [Psychephylax]
lol
18:01:29 [rbm]
(:
18:01:36 [denshi]
* denshi gets the call he was waiting for. now lunch.
18:01:40 [denshi]
bbl
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18:21:48 [Psychephylax]
cool
18:21:56 [Psychephylax]
History of telephone on History Channel
18:22:22 [markd2]
good call
18:22:37 [Psychephylax]
lol
18:22:47 [Psychephylax]
You should go into stand up comedy
18:23:15 [markd2]
not interactive enough
18:23:23 [Psychephylax]
:)
18:23:24 [Psychephylax]
Improv
18:23:43 [Psychephylax]
You'd be good on "Who's Line is it Anyway?"
18:25:12 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax begins the horrid task of cleaning his room
18:25:31 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax thinks if he keeps saying that sooner or later the room will get threatened and clean itself
18:25:42 [markd2]
it's just mocking you
18:26:25 [Psychephylax]
isn't it obvious?
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18:36:02 [Psychephylax]
my goal is to find the top of my desk by 5pm
18:37:21 [xemacs5]
psyche - since you already know where it is, the q is, do you really need to find it?
18:38:01 [Psychephylax]
lol
18:38:07 [Psychephylax]
yes
18:38:16 [Psychephylax]
I need the surface area of it
18:38:20 [Psychephylax]
to put more crap on it
18:39:23 [Psychephylax]
in case anyone cares
18:39:38 [Psychephylax]
my cds almost fell on my head early morning when I was sleeping last night
18:39:49 [Psychephylax]
They missed by a few inches and fell between my bed and my wall
18:40:56 [Psychephylax]
oh look...I found a wallet
18:41:00 [Psychephylax]
I was looking for this 4 days ago
18:47:15 [davb]
Psychephylax: that is why I don't use jewel cases, too heavy.
18:48:20 [davb]
http://www.readscheme.org/
18:48:20 [chump]
J: http://www.readscheme.org/ from davb
18:48:25 [Psychephylax]
it wasn't a jewel case
18:48:29 [davb]
J:|Resources for Functional Programming
18:48:30 [chump]
titled item J
18:48:31 [Psychephylax]
it was a cd holder
18:48:38 [davb]
J: many papers, etc...
18:48:39 [chump]
commented item J
18:48:42 [davb]
Psychephylax: ah
18:49:22 [Psychephylax]
Chris Kattan is just too funny
18:50:25 [davb]
J:includes [Readling list on XML and Web Programming in Functional Languages|http://www.readscheme.org/xml-web/]
18:50:25 [chump]
commented item J
18:50:41 [davb]
Psychephylax: who is that?
18:50:54 [markd2]
one of the stars of Night at the Roxbury
18:51:25 [davb]
hmmmm. I have to get thecreature back here.
18:51:28 [Psychephylax]
Dave, you watch SNL?
18:51:47 [davb]
not anymore. too tired
18:51:50 [Psychephylax]
heh
18:52:00 [Psychephylax]
Chris Kattan is on there
18:52:04 [Psychephylax]
Ever seen the Mango skit?
18:52:07 [Psychephylax]
that's him
18:52:22 [davb]
ah. I must try that sometime.
18:52:39 [davb]
anything involving mangos and late night television has to be funny
18:52:54 [Psychephylax]
LOL
18:53:33 [markd2]
except for the ads for 1-900-mango-fun
18:53:37 [markd2]
they're probably just creepy
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18:53:52 [davb]
markd2, not that late
18:54:05 [davb]
.google chris kattan
18:54:11 [DavesCreature]
chris kattan: http://www.chriskattan.net
18:55:07 [davb]
ok, I have techdocs.postgresql.org, xml and the web for functional programming langauges and the mango web site windows open...
18:56:30 [davb]
.wn uber
18:56:39 [davb]
darn
18:58:02 [Psychephylax]
Dave you need more RAM :)
18:58:09 [Psychephylax]
Kids in the hall!!!
18:58:16 [Psychephylax]
Canadien comedy...eh!!!?
18:58:19 [davb]
they are cool.
18:58:27 [davb]
I never watch it though :(
18:58:38 [davb]
.google kids in the hall
18:58:50 [Psychephylax]
what's the .google thing do?
18:59:15 [Psychephylax]
.google what is this?
18:59:16 [DavesCreature]
what is this: http://www.whatis.com
18:59:26 [davb]
its a command for DavesCreature
18:59:32 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax ponders
18:59:43 [Psychephylax]
.google kick dave in the groin :)
18:59:47 [davb]
try /msg DavesCreature commands or
19:00:03 [davb]
Psychephylax: it searches google and gives the #1 repsonse for the query
19:00:14 [Psychephylax]
AH
19:00:15 [Psychephylax]
SPIFFY
19:00:24 [Psychephylax]
.google psychephylax
19:00:38 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax kicks DavesCreature
19:00:44 [davb]
there are more commands, but not working 100%
19:00:47 [Psychephylax]
hehe, that sounds too funny
19:01:26 [davb]
.google xena/thecreature
19:01:28 [DavesCreature]
no results found.
19:01:31 [davb]
darn
19:02:29 [DavesCreature]
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19:02:42 [davb]
I'll have to figure out what happened. it isn't working right.
19:02:53 [Psychephylax]
i broke it
19:04:27 [markd2]
the trrricorder must be brrroken
19:05:42 [Psychephylax]
lol
19:06:04 [Psychephylax]
you sir are a nut!
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19:10:24 [markd2]
too much MST3K
19:16:11 [Psychephylax]
?
19:17:17 [markd2]
Mystery Science Theater 3000
19:17:22 [Psychephylax]
oh
19:17:29 [Psychephylax]
I thought you were just randomly rambling again
19:17:38 [markd2]
that happens some time too :-)
19:17:57 [markd2]
time to go be domestic
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20:06:20 [davb]
http://www.ultimatemachinecombat.com/
20:06:20 [chump]
K: http://www.ultimatemachinecombat.com/ from davb
20:06:26 [davb]
K:|Ultimate Machine Combat
20:06:27 [chump]
titled item K
20:06:36 [davb]
K:"Ultimate Machine Combat is all about cars and mayhem.
20:06:36 [chump]
commented item K
20:07:36 [davb]
K: from the creators of Junkyard wars
20:07:36 [chump]
commented item K
20:41:17 [markd2]
now it's my turn to clean up my desk
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20:44:04 [davb]
nooooooooooooooooooooooo....... its too perilous
20:44:19 [davb]
oh wait, thats my desk. nm
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20:58:13 [Psychephylax]
lol
20:58:21 [davb]
http://personalpages.tds.net/~edream/front.html
20:58:21 [chump]
L: http://personalpages.tds.net/~edream/front.html from davb
20:58:25 [davb]
L:|Leo
20:58:25 [chump]
titled item L
20:58:29 [Psychephylax]
i can see over 70% of my desk
20:58:31 [Psychephylax]
it's a plus
20:58:38 [Psychephylax]
On the downside I lost 70% of my floor
20:59:22 [davb]
L: "Leo is a major advance in literate programming because it organizes webs with outlines. The result is a simpler way of understanding programs, and a more powerful way to write any kind of text. "
20:59:22 [chump]
commented item L
20:59:23 [davb]
heh
20:59:27 [davb]
you are only half done
20:59:43 [Psychephylax]
not even half way done
21:02:24 [Psychephylax]
I need a helper monkey
21:06:00 [davb]
http://www.sabren.net/code/cvssh/
21:06:00 [chump]
M: http://www.sabren.net/code/cvssh/ from davb
21:06:05 [davb]
M:|CVSSH
21:06:05 [chump]
titled item M
21:06:24 [davb]
M:"The cvssh program offers a third alternative, which combines the simplicity of ext on the client with the flexibility of a pserver-based repository."
21:06:24 [chump]
commented item M
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21:12:31 [rbm]
moo, btw
21:12:36 [Psychephylax]
moo
21:13:11 [rbm]
http://www.microsoft.com&item=q209354@hardware.no/nyheter/feb01/Q209354%20-%20HOWTO.htm
21:13:11 [chump]
N: http://www.microsoft.com&item=q209354@hardware.no/nyheter/feb01/Q209354%20-%20HOWTO.htm from rbm
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N:| Microsoft (huhm) did something right for once
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titled item N
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21:15:34 [Psychephylax]
That's great
21:15:35 [Psychephylax]
lol
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it is.
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21:24:16 [davb]
bye
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21:27:37 [Psychephylax]
and then I was alone
21:29:40 [denshi]
* denshi starts humming 'love is in the air'
21:31:47 [denshi]
psyche, aren't you sick?
21:32:20 [Psychephylax]
yeah
21:32:23 [Psychephylax]
but I feel better
21:32:25 [Psychephylax]
work tomorrow ;(
21:32:46 [Psychephylax]
just cuz I'm sick doesn't mean I can't be alone :(
21:45:55 [denshi]
where do you work?
21:53:21 [tils]
a quick q: does openacs4 run on aolserver 3.4.2?
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22:05:08 [rbm]
tils: never tried
22:05:57 [tils]
i wonder if all the modules (ns_cache, ns_xml etc.) will compile, but currently i'm too lazy to try myself
22:07:54 [tils]
There's a bboard post that promises it works with Latin1 encoded databases
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22:35:38 [Psychephylax]
wb markasaurus
22:35:47 [Psychephylax]
denshi I work for Cablevision
22:36:45 [denshi]
yo mark
22:38:51 [markd2]
yo
22:39:01 [markd2]
Sporkiephylax - that mean you have a job now?
22:39:19 [Psychephylax]
no not yet
22:46:17 [beattiek]
I want to keep the default page, but move it to /startpage how can I do this?
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