IRC log of openacs on 2002-01-29

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I:
00:16:39 [chump]
http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=a2sj09%24nq1%241%40hadron.noos.net&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dcomp.databases%26hl%3Den%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch
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16:25:57 [xemacs5]
ok, I have a question
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16:26:57 [xemacs5]
I am using the content repository to store content in a hierarchy
16:27:39 [xemacs5]
does it make sense to use ACS-Messaging to allow people to receive email when a new piece of content at a particular place
16:27:45 [xemacs5]
in the hierarchy
16:27:51 [xemacs5]
is added?
16:28:04 [xemacs5]
I take it that there is no code currently to do this.
16:28:46 [xemacs5]
ie. I have content in the folder AOLserver-ports/OS/OpenBSD
16:29:07 [xemacs5]
and I want to let someone sign up so that when new content is published, they get an email
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17:13:08 [davb]
xemacs5: that is a good idea.
17:14:50 [davb]
I have the flu, so my brain isn't working 100% though :)
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17:26:01 [Psychephylax]
lol
17:26:05 [Psychephylax]
Did you get it from me?
17:27:04 [davb]
I hope not :(
17:27:07 [davb]
http://developer.netscape.com/evangelism/docs/articles/img-table/
17:27:07 [chump]
A: http://developer.netscape.com/evangelism/docs/articles/img-table/ from davb
17:27:17 [davb]
A:|Images, Tables, and Mysterious Gaps
17:27:18 [chump]
titled item A
17:27:22 [Psychephylax]
i have to format my hard drive
17:27:27 [Psychephylax]
I need an OS to install though
17:27:31 [Psychephylax]
Win98SE or WinXP?
17:27:34 [davb]
ack
17:27:40 [davb]
XP i guess.
17:27:41 [Psychephylax]
syn ack
17:27:49 [Psychephylax]
doh
17:27:57 [Psychephylax]
dave, you're supposed to send me a syn not an ack
17:28:20 [davb]
abbaJ: fixing gaps with images in table cells with CSS
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17:28:41 [markd2]
synners repent
17:29:18 [Psychephylax]
lol
17:32:02 [Psychephylax]
what do ackers do?
17:33:16 [markd2]
the lay ootball p n reen ay
17:34:45 [Psychephylax]
eh?
17:34:58 [markd2]
he reen ay ackers!
17:36:32 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax is lost
17:36:43 [markd2]
* markd2 hands psychephylax a T, G, B, and a P
17:38:19 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
17:38:22 [Psychephylax]
no vowels
17:38:27 [Psychephylax]
I can't do anything with those
17:45:19 [Psychephylax]
Going with 98SE
17:45:28 [Psychephylax]
a lot more things seem to work better with it
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18:33:07 [rbm]
* rbm is back
18:33:35 [markd2]
still a lot of snow out there?
18:35:24 [rbm]
Not today. But yesterday, wooof! I had to use a shovel to take snow from the my car's roof. And I literally had to carve it out of a pile of snow. Had I not an assigned parking spot, I think I would have not found my car.
18:38:18 [markd2]
did you get any pictures?
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18:38:44 [rbm]
markd2: Yeah, but I haven't developed them yet.
18:39:44 [rbm]
Someday I should buy a digital camera for occasional pictures like these.
18:40:25 [rbm]
I was looking for a cheap way to get my hundreds of negatives into digital format. Taking them to Wal-Mart is anything but cheap.
18:40:57 [rbm]
They charge $6.92 for the CD, then $0.20 per picture, for up to 20 rolls of filme per CD
18:41:23 [rbm]
That's about $5 per roll of film, which would add up to $100 for 20 rolls.
18:43:31 [markd2]
ouch
18:43:40 [davb]
rbm: is that for PhotoCD format?
18:43:53 [markd2]
boston photo is expensive, but you can pick and choose which exposures get put onto the CD
18:44:29 [rbm]
davb: I think so.
18:44:35 [Psychephylax]
Roberto, you'd probably save a bundle by buying a scanner that can scan negatives
18:44:46 [rbm]
Psychephylax: That's what I'm thinking now.
18:44:53 [davb]
a good negative scanner is at least $300.
18:45:08 [Psychephylax]
you can find decent ones for 200$ or so
18:45:27 [rbm]
My wife is pregnant, so now I have to watch my buget a lot closer.
18:45:32 [Psychephylax]
Ah
18:45:34 [rbm]
s/buget/budget/
18:45:34 [Psychephylax]
Congrats
18:45:47 [rbm]
Thanks (:
18:45:48 [markd2]
wow. Didn't even know you were married!
18:45:58 [rbm]
markd2: Yep. Almost 3 years.
18:45:59 [markd2]
figured you were some bachelr student with lots of time on your hands
18:46:07 [rbm]
markd2: Hah!
18:46:17 [Psychephylax]
That's what I thought
18:46:59 [rbm]
The wife doesn't take much time. Having to work a lot because of college salaries is what takes most of my time.
18:48:04 [rbm]
My job pays $9.5/hr and that is _very_ good for our college town.
18:48:32 [rbm]
Hopefully I'll get a good increase when I get into graduate school.
18:48:39 [rbm]
* rbm is graduating in May!
18:48:48 [markd2]
woo hoo!
18:48:49 [davb]
yeah!
18:48:57 [markd2]
are you gonna stay in the states and look for a job?
18:49:01 [markd2]
* markd2 enters nosy mode
18:49:05 [rbm]
That is assuming I can pay for graduate school
18:49:21 [Psychephylax]
woohooo
18:49:43 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax enters sub-nosy mode
18:49:50 [Psychephylax]
Roberto, what do you do?
18:49:59 [rbm]
markd2: I would like to go to graduate school. Going back to Brazil with a U.S. degree will be better than with a Brazillian degree, but still not very good.
18:50:01 [Psychephylax]
aside from going to school :-)
18:50:06 [rbm]
markd2: Re: staying in the
18:50:31 [rbm]
markd2: Re: staying in the U.S., I don't know yet. Sometimes I want to go back (most times), sometimes I want to stay.
18:50:38 [Psychephylax]
hehe
18:50:43 [Psychephylax]
Miss the homeland :-/
18:51:19 [rbm]
I miss my family more than anything. Oh, not having such cold winters is a plus, but I'm okay with winters. I think it's fun. My wife hates it :-)
18:51:27 [Psychephylax]
lol
18:51:34 [Psychephylax]
i miss winters
18:51:36 [Psychephylax]
I miss snow
18:51:50 [markd2]
yeah. it's been warm this side of the country
18:52:38 [rbm]
I'm really concerned about what's going on in the U.S. The laws that have been passed are really crazy.
18:53:03 [Psychephylax]
yeah
18:53:12 [Psychephylax]
but at least they made them have like a 5 year life span
18:54:00 [rbm]
Psychephylax: At work we are finishing a project with ACS classic (4.2). My next project will probably be doing a python gui app.
18:54:43 [rbm]
Psychephylax: Oh, really? So the DMCA will be defunct in 2003?
18:55:12 [Psychephylax]
what's DMCA?
18:55:17 [rbm]
Psychephylax: !!!!
18:55:21 [Psychephylax]
I don't know all the crazy laws they passed :-P
18:55:47 [rbm]
Psychephylax: Digital Millenium Copyright Act. One of the most draconian laws ever.
18:55:53 [Psychephylax]
oh
18:55:55 [Psychephylax]
That one
18:55:58 [Psychephylax]
eh
18:56:05 [Psychephylax]
I thought you meant the ones about terrorism
18:56:16 [rbm]
I don't think the DMCA has an expiration date.
18:56:23 [Psychephylax]
me neither
18:56:48 [rbm]
Psychephylax: The ones about terrorism will eventually get better. Right now they are part of an understandable knee-jerk reaction.
18:57:11 [rbm]
Psychephylax: OTOH, the technology/copyright/patent laws seem to be getting worse with time.
18:57:22 [Psychephylax]
yeah
18:57:23 [Psychephylax]
but hey
18:57:34 [Psychephylax]
There will always be ways around it
18:57:43 [markd2]
* markd2 advocates violence
18:57:49 [markd2]
or at least saying naughty words at them
18:57:53 [Psychephylax]
violence is king :-)
18:57:54 [Psychephylax]
lol
18:57:59 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax gives Mark a cookie
18:58:05 [markd2]
yay! a cookie!!
18:58:08 [rbm]
* rbm heeds to markd2's counsel and runs with a machette in hand towards Psyche
18:58:08 [Psychephylax]
bet ya haven't seen these for a while
18:58:09 [Psychephylax]
lol
18:58:24 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax splashes cold milk at Roberto
18:58:35 [rbm]
* rbm cries over the spilled milk
18:58:43 [rbm]
Is that a common saying here in the U.S. too?
18:58:50 [Psychephylax]
lol
18:58:51 [davb]
yes, very :)
18:58:54 [markd2]
aye
18:59:06 [markd2]
* markd2 spies over killed milk
18:59:28 [rbm]
Somebody should write a thesis on common sayings in different cultures. I've found several Brazillian sayings that have an exact match in the U.S.
18:59:39 [markd2]
really? cool!
19:00:01 [Psychephylax]
lol
19:00:15 [Psychephylax]
I think there are some russian ones that are like that
19:00:36 [rbm]
* rbm realizes he should be working
19:00:37 [markd2]
* markd2 makes sure not to let his borscht get too deflunkt
19:01:04 [rbm]
Hey, I bought a Logitech optical mouse for $18 at Wal-Mart yesterday. It's schweeeet!
19:01:13 [Psychephylax]
yep
19:01:14 [Psychephylax]
lol
19:01:20 [Psychephylax]
is it blue?
19:01:25 [Psychephylax]
with a wheel?
19:01:25 [rbm]
Quake 3 gains a whole new meaning with it :)
19:01:34 [Psychephylax]
lol
19:01:47 [rbm]
Psychephylax: It has a wheel, but it's not blue. It's beige.
19:01:53 [Psychephylax]
oh
19:01:59 [Psychephylax]
You got the other model
19:02:06 [Psychephylax]
I have the 10$ more expensive one
19:02:17 [Psychephylax]
I don't know why exactly it's 10$ more expensive but it's a very good mouse
19:02:18 [rbm]
A friend of mine bought this same mouse 1 year ago for $100 or something.
19:02:28 [Psychephylax]
lol
19:02:30 [Psychephylax]
insane
19:02:32 [rbm]
Psychephylax: Probably because it's prettier.
19:02:32 [davb]
I am holding out for the cordless model.
19:03:09 [rbm]
davb: They had that one for $45 I think. I wasn't sure if it would work with Linux, so I didn't consider it for more than a few seconds.
19:03:23 [davb]
oh, excellent point. thanks :)
19:03:24 [rbm]
davb: Plus, I'm not sure I really have a use for a cordless mouse
19:03:44 [rbm]
* rbm makes sure all hardware he buys is Linux-compatible.
19:03:54 [Psychephylax]
heh
19:04:14 [rbm]
I'm really tired of beige PC boxes.
19:04:29 [markd2]
get one of the new imacs
19:04:43 [xemacs5]
postgres question ...
19:04:59 [xemacs5]
got some fixed width text to import, can it be done with COPY ?
19:05:48 [rbm]
xemacs5: Yes, as long as you have the right field separators. e.g. If the field separator is a tab, you have to escape the \t's in your text
19:07:19 [xemacs5]
they appear to be spaces, that is the problem
19:07:27 [xemacs5]
a varying number of spaces
19:09:26 [rbm]
xemacs5: What? The field separators?
19:10:12 [rbm]
anyone messed with nsgd or ino_chart before?
19:16:31 [xemacs5]
rbm: the field separators are just spaces
19:17:03 [xemacs5]
rbm: the file is fixed width, eg. field 3 always starts at character # 42
19:17:10 [xemacs5]
from the beginning of each line
19:27:11 [rbm]
xemacs5: Hmm. You'll probably need to do some massaging in your input file before importing. Roll up your regexp sleeves.
19:27:57 [xemacs5]
I googled for the answer and found out that people were using perl or python to transform the file into SQL, or else just inserting from there.
19:28:12 [rbm]
That works too.
19:32:42 [xemacs5]
sounds like what I will have to do then...
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19:39:38 [rbm]
Anyone who gets dll's and solaris here?
19:39:57 [markd2]
dll is windows land!
19:40:04 [markd2]
that's probably why the shared libs on solaris are fighting back :-)
19:40:34 [rbm]
markd2: Okay then. s/dll/.so's/ :)
19:40:54 [markd2]
much beter
19:40:59 [markd2]
I've done 'em in the past
19:41:01 [markd2]
what's up?
19:41:36 [rbm]
markd2: do you have a solaris box with AOLserver handy to help me with something? It'd only take a moment, I promise
19:41:52 [markd2]
not handy :-(
19:41:55 [rbm]
I would let you use our Solaris box, but it's behind the firewall
19:42:13 [rbm]
markd2: Linux then? Should be pretty close.
19:42:22 [markd2]
yep. got linux
19:42:35 [rbm]
markd2: Okay. Let me pack up a tarball for you really quick
19:47:39 [rbm]
markd2: http://www.brasileiro.net/roberto/bin/inochart.tar.gz
19:48:12 [rbm]
markd2: Go into the inochart/gdchart/ dir and do a "make" first.
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19:48:43 [rbm]
markd2: Then edit the toplevel Makefile for your paths and try make.
19:48:45 [markd2]
kie
19:49:20 [rbm]
I think the gd makefile assumes you have libttf installed, so if you don't, comment that on the gd-1.7.3/Makefile
19:50:17 [markd2]
I get 404 from that url
19:50:18 [rbm]
I'm trying to do charts with AOLserver. The two options I have are nsgd and inochart. nsgd is okay, but it's not for especifically for charts. It would take more work to make it do charts.
19:50:26 [rbm]
markd2: Oh. Hang ong.
19:51:40 [rbm]
markd2: sorry. perms problems. You can access it now.
19:51:55 [markd2]
cool
19:51:56 [markd2]
downloading
19:52:40 [rbm]
inochart, OTOH, is an AOLserver to gdchart, a library for charts built on top of GD. It has bar, pie, area, etc. charts all done for me.
19:53:08 [rbm]
However, inochart has been abandoned by its original author. I haven't heard from him in like a year.
19:53:29 [rbm]
I had to change the original Makefile to make it build with AOLserver 3.3.
19:55:00 [markd2]
looks like I don't have -lgd
19:55:10 [markd2]
what's the problem you're having?
19:57:04 [rbm]
markd2: You have to build gd by going into the gdchart dir first.
19:57:11 [markd2]
ah
19:57:35 [markd2]
you probably already said that
19:57:38 [rbm]
markd2: yes
19:57:46 [rbm]
markd2: "[29/Jan/2002:12:48:30][19047.1][-main-] Warning: modload: failed to load '/webroot/aol33/bin/ino_chart.so': 'ld.so.1: /webroot/aol33/bin/nsd: fatal: relocation error: file /webroot/aol33/bin/ino_chart.so: symbol GDC_new_chart: referenced symbol not found'"
19:58:52 [rbm]
markd2: Check out http://www.fred.net/brv/chart/ to see what's possible with gdchart.
19:59:06 [rbm]
http://www.fred.net/brv/chart/
19:59:06 [chump]
B: http://www.fred.net/brv/chart/ from rbm
19:59:35 [rbm]
B:|GDChart library, for charts. Built on top of gd. inochart is an AOLserver module for gdchart.
19:59:35 [chump]
titled item B
19:59:56 [markd2]
did you say anything about gdc?
20:00:09 [rbm]
markd2: I don't understand why it's failing to find the GDC_new_chart.
20:00:23 [rbm]
markd2: I don't think so. why?
20:00:35 [markd2]
there's a -lgdc in the makefile that I don't have
20:00:38 [markd2]
commenting it out seems to have worked
20:01:07 [markd2]
GDC_new_chart isn't defined in the libgd.a
20:01:29 [markd2]
in fact, GDC isn't mentioned anywhere in gdchart
20:01:30 [rbm]
markd2: I was trying lots of stuff, so I may have left something unneeded there. Yes, I remember now. I tried packing the gdc*.o's into a gdc.a
20:01:43 [rbm]
markd2: it is. Hang on.
20:01:52 [markd2]
I was in the wrong dir
20:01:52 [markd2]
sorry
20:02:58 [rbm]
markd2: I wonder if I have to pack the gdc*.o'
20:03:13 [rbm]
markd2: I wonder if packing the gdc*.o's into the libgd.a would work.
20:03:27 [rbm]
!@#%!@#$% enter key
20:03:29 [markd2]
GDC_new_chart is defined in gdchart.o, and that's not being included in your 'ar rc libgd.a'
20:03:30 [markd2]
heh
20:05:08 [markd2]
so you may just be missing some files
20:05:18 [markd2]
'nm libgd.a | grep some_symbol' will tell you if that symbol is in the lib
20:05:55 [rbm]
* rbm tries stuffin the gdc*.o's into libgd.a
20:07:28 [rbm]
markd2: I tried making a libgdc.a with the gdc*.o's and adding a "-lgdc" to the ino_chart.so, but I got weird results by doing that in Linux
20:07:45 [rbm]
rbm: But that was last week. My computer may be feeling better today :)
20:08:25 [markd2]
heh
20:08:39 [markd2]
there may be an ordering issue to. -lgdc might need to come before -lgd
20:08:49 [markd2]
assuming the linux linker just makes one pass
20:16:16 [rbm]
Okay, got the gdc's into libgd.a and `nm libgd.a | grep GDC` tells me they are there.
20:18:20 [markd2]
coolio
20:18:56 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
20:19:02 [Psychephylax]
This can't be a good sound coming from a hard drive
20:19:14 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax feels the need to check up on his warranty info
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20:23:52 [markd2]
http://www.kibo.com/webtv/webtv.html
20:23:52 [chump]
C: http://www.kibo.com/webtv/webtv.html from markd2
20:23:59 [markd2]
C:| Leader Kibo's Web-TV page
20:23:59 [chump]
titled item C
20:24:18 [markd2]
C: View at your own risk.
20:24:18 [chump]
commented item C
20:24:42 [rbm]
markd2: what's the risk?
20:25:45 [rbm]
I see. risk of getting a headache.
20:26:50 [markd2]
and an earache
20:27:05 [markd2]
view source. the story in there is (somewhat) amusing
20:28:39 [andyn]
when people compare the size of such and such webserver how are they figuring it out?
20:28:57 [andyn]
are they talking about memory or just drive space it uses up?
20:29:26 [markd2]
I've not seen web server size comparisons
20:29:30 [markd2]
what kind of units are they expressed in?
20:29:43 [andyn]
megabites
20:29:59 [markd2]
memory is cheap, disk space is cheap is my answer :-)
20:30:09 [davb]
Ah, how many cookies the markd2 unit consumes
20:30:36 [markd2]
I AM MEGABITOR!!!!
20:30:46 [rbm]
megabItes? Cool!
20:31:24 [markd2]
(sorry for the abuse andyn - it's a tough crowd here :-)
20:33:39 [andyn]
* andyn is so out of it he didn't even notice the abuse
20:34:09 [markd2]
I'd hope the comparison would be memory footprint per connection, but that would be to rational for most marketing
20:34:09 [rbm]
heheh
20:36:49 [andyn]
rbm: i remember you do a comparison between the install size of aolserver and coldfusion with someone in the fslc group ( or maybe it wasn't install size, i just can't remember) maybe if you rember you could possibly remind what i'm talking about?
20:39:00 [rbm]
andyn: It wasn't really a comparison, just a point I was trying to make. I think I compared installation size for the ColdFusion server and AOLserver
20:39:08 [rbm]
ColdFusion is HUGE
20:39:53 [andyn]
so maybe you just did a du -hs /home/aolserver ? if that is where your install directory is?
20:41:26 [rbm]
andyn: yes
20:46:07 [denshi]
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20:47:04 [denshi]
loggy, will rbm have children?
20:48:59 [loggy]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'will rbm have children'
20:49:00 [loggy]
0) 2002-01-29 20:47:04 <denshi> loggy, will rbm have children?
20:49:08 [markd2]
yes. rbm is pregnant again
20:49:08 [rbm]
OH my heck! I think ino_chart loaded finally!
20:49:08 [markd2]
woot!
20:49:08 [denshi]
I don't think that's allowed in Utah, actually..
20:49:08 [denshi]
wtf is ino_chart?
20:49:08 [rbm]
denshi: A graphing module for AOLserver
20:49:08 [rbm]
Now I have another hurdle... ino_chart currently only returns the graph straight to the connection. I don't think I can do that with the ACS 4.2 request processor lying around can I?
20:49:14 [denshi]
loggy, where is kibo today?
20:49:34 [loggy]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'where is kibo today'
20:49:35 [loggy]
0) 2002-01-29 20:49:14 <denshi> loggy, where is kibo today?
20:49:41 [rbm]
Cool
20:49:41 [rbm]
* rbm hands denshi "/msg loggy"
20:49:46 [denshi]
oops.
20:49:54 [markd2]
loggy, /msg loggy?
20:50:28 [loggy]
I'm logging. I found 7 answers for '/msg loggy' (showing 0...4)
20:50:29 [loggy]
0) 2002-01-29 20:49:54 <markd2> loggy, /msg loggy?
20:50:30 [loggy]
1) 2002-01-29 20:49:41 <rbm> * rbm hands denshi "/msg loggy"
20:50:31 [loggy]
2) 2002-01-22 01:26:51 <denshi> I'm logging. I don't understand 'can you find the stick for 'talli: ok, I'll talk to todd'', denshi. Try /msg loggy help
20:50:32 [loggy]
3) 2002-01-16 16:58:09 <denshi> I'm logging. I don't understand 'I know you hold all our dark secrets', denshi. Try /msg loggy help
20:50:33 [loggy]
4) 2002-01-16 16:57:39 <rbm> I'm logging. I don't understand 'screw you', rbm. Try /msg loggy help
20:50:40 [rbm]
GN000!
20:50:40 [denshi]
does tcl have closures?
20:51:12 [loggy]
* loggy is already logging
20:51:56 [denshi]
let me open tclsh and check..
20:52:56 [denshi]
unng.. yes and no.
20:53:18 [markd2]
sounds typical for tcl
20:54:03 [denshi]
I screwed around a little last night with a DB API in LISP & Perl that used closures heavily.
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20:55:06 [denshi]
then I wondered why I never did that in Tcl.
20:55:29 [rbm]
What do you mean by closure?
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20:55:59 [denshi]
rbm: closure in the LISP sense of the word, rather than the way the Scheme community uses it.
20:56:08 [denshi]
thankfully, the rest of the world uses the LISP def.
20:57:42 [denshi]
to define: if you write a function that writes a function, any variables that are local to that function remain part of the new function -- they don't go out of scope.
20:57:57 [denshi]
you need that for currying and a whole mess of other things.
20:58:14 [markd2]
curryinG?
20:59:05 [denshi]
I realized that this doesn't make much sense in Tcl as there's not much sense in defining procedures by procedures, only constructing food for eval.
21:00:38 [denshi]
rbm: a simple example is this: (defun addn (n) #'(lambda (x) (+ x n)))
21:01:06 [denshi]
a call to that returns a fxn that takes a var and adds n to it.
21:01:50 [denshi]
so you would call addn(2) to get a fxn you might assign to 'add2' or something, and then call add2(x) to get x + 2.
21:03:16 [denshi]
little things like this make LISP people kind of bored with the world. When a C variant is talking all cool b/c they have a shorthand for increment, closures enable the users to generate those shorthands.
21:04:59 [davb]
denshi: how does scheme do it differently? (not that I will understand :)
21:05:01 [rbm]
denshi: I don't know enough LISP to interpret the above.
21:05:10 [rbm]
But I understood your explanation.
21:05:11 [denshi]
def on 'currying': http://wombat.doc.ic.ac.uk/foldoc/foldoc.cgi?curried+function
21:06:25 [markd2]
thanks
21:06:36 [denshi]
davb: scheme uses 'closure' as 'the closure property' and use it do describe how a data structure terminates. I think I'm actually slightly off-base. But since code == data, they have some codeflow point that they'll make. I really need to finish SICP soon.
21:07:08 [denshi]
I still think 'currying' should be called 'Schoenfinkeling'.
21:07:13 [davb]
I need to start soon :)
21:07:19 [davb]
yeah I read that, me too
21:07:53 [denshi]
I'm almost done with ANSI Common LISP. That book is a joy to read. All technical books should use it as a template.
21:08:53 [denshi]
By chapter 17 he demonstrates how to write a new OO language using what he taught in the book. It's amazingly concise.
21:09:12 [rbm]
Hmmm. ino_chart was loaded, but the Tcl interp doesn't seem to find "ino_chart" command.
21:11:00 [denshi]
markd2: have you wrapped your tongue around currying yet?
21:11:07 [markd2]
heh
21:11:09 [markd2]
I glanced at it
21:12:20 [denshi]
not your taste?
21:12:30 [markd2]
not enough mental bandwidth now to really process it
21:12:34 [davb]
that is going for $1.00 used on amazon , I think something weird is going on with that vendor
21:16:06 [denshi]
has anyone read friedman's "essentials of programming languages"?
21:20:21 [rbm]
YOW! ino_chart worked!
21:20:46 [rbm]
* rbm dances and scarifices a lizzard to the compilation gods
21:21:30 [rbm]
Now to add a command to do pie charts. That should be fun.
21:22:49 [markd2]
woo hoo!
21:26:08 [rbm]
awesome!
21:26:36 [rbm]
I think I'll rename this module to be nsgdchart, clean it up, add some commands, and contribute to the aolserver module colletion
21:26:44 [rbm]
s/colletion/collection/
21:44:32 [davb]
denshi: nope, is it a book?
21:46:14 [davb]
aha, found it. looks interesting.
21:50:30 [Psychephylax]
Bah!!!
21:50:39 [markd2]
* markd2 humbugs
21:50:43 [Psychephylax]
The IBM I thought of so fondly is being shipped back to IBM
21:50:53 [Psychephylax]
The GXP75 bug gets me as well
21:51:42 [Psychephylax]
Why meee....whyyyyyy meeeeeeee
21:52:00 [markd2]
bad karma from your cookie witholding
21:52:17 [Psychephylax]
awww
21:52:21 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax gives Mark another cookie
21:52:33 [markd2]
yay!
21:52:37 [Psychephylax]
:)
21:52:49 [Psychephylax]
Get this evil karma away from my drivema
21:53:16 [markd2]
I had IBM laptop drives go bad on me
21:53:21 [denshi]
http://www.paulgraham.com/thist.html
21:53:21 [chump]
D: http://www.paulgraham.com/thist.html from denshi
21:53:30 [denshi]
that is a very humbling paper.
21:54:32 [Psychephylax]
heh
21:54:48 [Psychephylax]
I haven't had too many problems with IBM
21:55:00 [Psychephylax]
I don't like the fact that they use "refurbished" drives as replacement
21:55:10 [Psychephylax]
Like why should you pay for their screwups
22:07:26 [talilee]
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22:07:34 [talilee]
hey guys
22:08:33 [Psychephylax]
hey talli
22:13:29 [talilee]
if anyone wants to see a HORRIBLE site, check out http://www.linuxexpo.com
22:13:44 [talilee]
just try and register
22:14:23 [denshi]
hey talli
22:14:30 [talilee]
hey denshi
22:14:39 [talilee]
denshi, i've been meaning to ask you for some time
22:15:20 [talilee]
when you chose the spot for the SF OACS social...
22:15:34 [talilee]
did you know before hand that the place was between public bathrooms and a dumpster and was infected with the world's largest mosquitoes in the world?
22:15:58 [talilee]
i counted something like 30+ bites over the next couple of days
22:18:16 [denshi]
you know, I had no idea about the bugs.
22:18:51 [denshi]
it was a freakish occurence
22:19:03 [talilee]
right...
22:19:15 [talilee]
i bet you were in on some bloodsucking cabal with them
22:19:32 [talilee]
you bring the bodies, they get the blood, then the proceeds are split...
22:19:39 [talilee]
sick bastard, denshi. you're a sick bastard
22:20:23 [denshi]
oh please, talli, we haven't even gotten to the dark trades I have done with cabals.
22:20:31 [denshi]
tip: hide in 2006.
22:22:13 [talilee]
that's ok. 2006 is when i plan to kill myself anyway if i have yet to find my soulmate. that, or marry my best friend, like they do int he movies
22:22:57 [denshi]
if you wait till 2007 I can sell you a soul in a jar. So you could probably find your soulmate pretty fast.
22:23:52 [talilee]
i don't know about that. Kenneth Lay tried to pull that one on me, and look where he's at now.
22:24:04 [talilee]
i think you better rethink all of your Texas cabals, denshi.
22:24:18 [talilee]
or at least find a couple of honest auditors
22:24:38 [denshi]
kenneth lay don't surf.
22:25:30 [talilee]
yes, well he ain't nobody's bitch. yet, that is
22:25:42 [talilee]
buy lotsa stuff!
22:25:53 [talilee]
invest in energy derivatives!
22:26:08 [denshi]
heh. short energy derivatives, you mean.
22:26:46 [talilee]
whatever. as long as you do lots of it!
22:27:08 [denshi]
if you wait till 2015, I can sell you a giant robot that can open the room of gauf.
22:28:07 [talilee]
now we're getting into the d&d world. if by 2015 the world will be ruled by those into role playing games, i certainly hope to be dead.
22:30:25 [talilee]
ah, ok
22:34:17 [denshi]
oops, gotta go. bbl.
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