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01:27:20 <til> "item_id: -1
01:27:20 <til>           title: empty
01:27:26 <til> oops
01:27:38 <davb> :)
02:21:51 <davb> http://www.alphaave.com/details.php?tech=Sparrow%20Web
02:21:52 <chump> A: http://www.alphaave.com/details.php?tech=Sparrow%20Web from davb
02:22:05 <davb> A:|Sparrow Web
02:22:05 <chump> titled item A
02:22:26 <davb> abbaJ: Sparrow Web is a system that adds structured, in-place editing to community-shared web pages. It allows contributors to add and modify information on a Sparrow Web page using simple fill-in forms specified by the author/manager of the Sparrow Web page.
02:22:30 <davb> argh
02:22:36 <davb> A:Sparrow Web is a system that adds structured, in-place editing to community-shared web pages. It allows contributors to add and modify information on a Sparrow Web page using simple fill-in forms specified by the author/manager of the Sparrow Web page.
02:22:36 <chump> commented item A
02:25:26 <davb> A:[Article about Sparrow Web|http://www.commweb.com/article/IWK20011218S0006]
02:25:28 <chump> commented item A
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02:48:11 <talilee> hey guys
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13:43:22 <davb> Good links on slashdot i.e.:
13:43:26 <davb> http://slashdot.org/articles/02/01/27/1950244.shtml
13:43:26 <chump> B: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/01/27/1950244.shtml from davb
13:43:46 <davb> B:|Desqview/X released to public domain
13:43:46 <chump> titled item B
13:43:57 <davb> B: no source yet, but you never know 
13:43:57 <chump> commented item B
13:44:13 <davb> http://slashdot.org/developers/02/01/28/0144222.shtml
13:44:13 <chump> C: http://slashdot.org/developers/02/01/28/0144222.shtml from davb
13:44:27 <davb> C:|Mac OS/X: Game Developer's Playground
13:44:27 <chump> titled item C
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14:00:55 <davb> http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/
14:00:55 <chump> D: http://pythoncard.sourceforge.net/ from davb
14:01:15 <davb> D:|PythonCard
14:01:15 <chump> titled item D
14:01:26 <davb> D:"PythonCard is for you if you want to develop graphical applications quickly and easily with a minimum of effort or coding."
14:01:26 <chump> commented item D
14:03:31 <markd2> pretty cool
14:04:16 <Psychephylax> bah
14:04:20 <Psychephylax> I feel sick
14:04:22 <Psychephylax> Infact
14:04:23 <davb> hi Psychephylax, 
14:04:23 <Psychephylax> I am sick
14:04:26 <davb> sorry :(
14:04:31 <Psychephylax> yeah but on top of that
14:04:43 <Psychephylax> I had Grand Jury Duty
14:04:44 <davb> ack
14:04:49 <Psychephylax> I called them and told them I'm dying and not coming in
14:05:00 <Psychephylax> they said "We'll get your ass here eventually"
14:05:03 <davb> heh
14:05:14 <markd2> yikes
14:05:15 <Psychephylax> And I'm certainly not going in to work today
14:05:17 <markd2> what's involved in Grand jury duty?
14:05:28 <markd2> and don't they let you bring a laptop so you can IRC from there?
14:05:28 <davb> I had regular jury duty and they said if you can't make if this time, pick a week you CAN make it.
14:05:48 <Psychephylax> heh
14:05:49 <Psychephylax> Dave, I missed the first time
14:05:57 <Psychephylax> and then I postponed it
14:05:59 <Psychephylax> and then I got sick on Friday 
14:06:04 <davb> ah. 
14:06:16 <Psychephylax> Damn flu
14:06:24 <Psychephylax> First I'm hot..then I'm freezing cold
14:06:40 <markd2> maybe it's menopause
14:06:53 <Psychephylax> Mark, Grand Jury Duty I _believe_ is that you don't have a single case
14:06:53 <davb> I discoverd again that the "consultant" they hired has no clue what he is doing.
14:07:07 <Psychephylax> but you get thrown from case to case to see if it's worthy enough to go to the Supreme court or something
14:08:52 <Psychephylax> so I bought a new computer case
14:08:58 <Psychephylax> I have pictures
14:09:04 <davb> cool.
14:09:04 <markd2> ooooh
14:09:09 <markd2> url?
14:09:09 <Psychephylax> Lian-Li!
14:09:10 <davb> neon light kit?
14:09:16 <Psychephylax> Working on that one
14:09:30 <markd2> hydraulics to make it bounce up and down?
14:09:35 <Psychephylax> rofl
14:09:35 <Psychephylax> no
14:09:46 <davb> I had to pay $40 locally for a 250w power supply this weekend. 
14:09:58 <Psychephylax> lol
14:10:06 <Psychephylax> I had to pay 70$ for a  350
14:10:11 <Psychephylax> and 145$ for the case
14:10:23 <davb> ack!
14:10:27 <davb> I dont usually pay that much for the motherboard :)
14:11:11 <Psychephylax> I ordered a side panel with a window
14:11:35 <Psychephylax> Going to order a cold cathode ray tube next...
14:12:08 <Psychephylax> I'm thinking green with a "Radioactive" applique to match
14:12:12 <markd2> is that metal?
14:12:12 <Psychephylax> Oh, and they even have "pre-made" 3.5 bay covers with a switch for the light
14:12:18 <Psychephylax> Yes, 100% aluminium
14:12:25 <markd2> sweet
14:12:35 <Psychephylax> I've been meaning to take the case out and take more pictures
14:12:59 <Psychephylax> It's got front fan control! Low, Medium and "Damn, I'm at JFK"
14:13:21 <Psychephylax> And the front fans have a dust filter
14:13:36 <Psychephylax> The dust filters was the thing that sold me
14:13:43 <davb> cool.
14:13:49 <Psychephylax> yeah
14:13:59 <davb> the aluminum cases are supposed to be very nice, and actually need less cooling.
14:14:02 <Psychephylax> Motherboard tray slides out :) and it's a true tool-less case
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14:14:18 <Psychephylax> everything is thumb studs
14:15:38 <markd2> you are our thumb stud
14:16:07 <Psychephylax> :-D
14:16:26 <Psychephylax> What do you think...what color should I get for my case
14:16:31 <Psychephylax> green, blue, red, orange, white...there's more
14:17:00 <markd2> black?
14:17:06 <markd2> I like black
14:17:08 <Psychephylax> no black...UV
14:17:16 <Psychephylax> But that only makes white things glow
14:17:19 <Psychephylax> Not many white things on the inside
14:17:27 <markd2> oh.  color light?
14:17:39 <markd2> blue then
14:17:47 <markd2> Looks like tchernikov radiation
14:17:59 <Psychephylax> I thought green was like radiation goo
14:18:11 <markd2> or biological experiments
14:18:57 <Psychephylax> plus
14:19:01 <Psychephylax> everyone has blue
14:19:17 <markd2> ah
14:19:23 <markd2> red would be cool
14:19:28 <markd2> like a submarine on alert
14:19:32 <Psychephylax> hehe
14:19:35 <markd2> any programmatic control?
14:19:46 <Psychephylax> ?
14:19:50 <Psychephylax> What's programmatic control
14:19:51 <markd2> like playing a Klaxon and blinking the light when you get a GPFin a windows app?
14:20:51 <Psychephylax> no I don't think so
14:21:18 <Psychephylax> I'm sure it can be done with an EEPROM chip 
14:22:06 <Psychephylax> I'd have to hack the soundcard to interface with it
14:22:12 <Psychephylax> So that the lights blink to the beat
14:22:13 <Psychephylax> hehe
14:23:08 <Psychephylax> where did dave run off to?
14:23:24 <Psychephylax> and what happened to AaronSW?
14:23:31 <Psychephylax> He's never around anymore
14:29:50 <markd2> he's online.  guess we're not in his area of interest anymore
14:30:05 <Psychephylax> I thought he registered the channel though
14:30:25 <markd2> I think he did
14:30:57 <Psychephylax> ah
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14:33:21 <Psychephylax> welcome back dave
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14:50:04 <Psychephylax> I'll be back later
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16:02:07 <davb> woohoo!
16:02:11 <davb> I got nssoap to talk to itself :)
16:08:46 <markd2> woot!
16:59:20 <Psychephylax> yay
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17:05:51 <Max_Sterling> Hi.
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17:06:34 <davb> hello
17:06:48 <Max_Sterling> How are you guys?
17:06:49 <Psychephylax> hey
17:06:51 <Max_Sterling> I`m new over here..
17:06:51 <Max_Sterling> =)
17:08:20 <markd2> greetings
17:08:59 <Psychephylax> Hmm...should I get a K6-2 550 for my mom's computer?
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17:54:28 <davb> http://www.apple.com/powermac/
17:54:28 <chump> F: http://www.apple.com/powermac/ from davb
17:54:39 <davb> F:|Dual 1Ghz G4 Powermac
17:54:39 <chump> titled item F
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19:00:21 <talilee> hey guys
19:02:48 <bartt> Hey Tali
19:02:53 <talilee> hey bartt
19:04:10 <bartt> I'm working on terrible customer service in the ecommerce module. What are you doing?
19:04:38 <bartt> That is terrible customer service CODE.
19:05:05 <talilee> hmmm... nothing as ugly as that
19:07:10 <bartt> I know, as I have been porting the ecommerce module for a while now.
19:07:19 <davb> hi talilee
19:08:04 <talilee> hey davb
19:08:30 <talilee> porting the 3.x stuff or the 4?
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19:13:45 <bartt> Yes, the shopping section works well now, the customer service module is close and the auditing section I don't care about much.
19:14:02 <talilee> this is the 4.x ecommerce?
19:15:43 <bartt> Is is a straight port from 3.x so far. I know that Tom is working on a new ecommerce package too. I am also working with Janine from Furfly on a credit card gateway service contract.
19:16:06 <talilee> right, very cool
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19:16:18 <xemacs5> hello, quick question
19:16:29 <xemacs5> you may recall me being on here a few days ago
19:16:43 <xemacs5> asking about group_member_p or a similarly named proc
19:16:50 <davb> right.
19:16:51 <xemacs5> I am about to write this proc
19:17:02 <xemacs5> any preferences on its exact name?
19:17:37 <bartt> My plan is to hook this service contract into the ported ecommerce module and leave it at that. The current ecommerce package us too ugly to try and add templating, versioning etc to.
19:17:41 <xemacs5> and is the ad_proc style of defining a new proc the preferred way?
19:18:10 <davb> ad_proc is the way.
19:18:41 <davb> the name doesn't matter to me :) 
19:20:00 <talilee> is ad going to end up an artifact of a previous life, like ns_module?
19:20:10 <davb> probably.
19:20:42 <davb> besides, its easy to type :)
19:21:10 <talilee> true enough
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20:17:38 <davb> darn: nssoap is not really working
20:17:52 <davb> A stupid Tcl error made me believe it was :)
20:17:57 <talilee> bummer
20:18:06 <davb> (the stupidity was mine, not Tcl's :)
20:18:14 <talilee> it doesn't work at all, or it doesn't work enough?
20:18:27 <davb> I think I am doing it wrong.
20:18:50 <davb> So rather, _my_ installation of NSSoap is broken ;)
20:19:03 <talilee> ah... 
20:19:15 <talilee> screw it, blame it on the software anyway :)
20:19:35 <talilee> if i were on your position, my solution would be to reinstall the OS :)
20:20:11 <davb> Ah, you use MS OSs too much.
20:20:53 <talilee> maybe, but that's been my solution with the unix's too 
20:21:03 <talilee> unices
20:22:35 <davb> heh.
20:23:03 <davb> But with UNIX it usually is possible to fix it, you just need to find the one text file out of the millions that you need to tweak.
20:23:27 <talilee> yeah, that's about right :)
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20:56:15 <xemacs5> ok, so I have the query for the group_member_p function
20:56:34 <xemacs5> but the query will return either 1 row if true or 0 rows if false
20:57:09 <xemacs5> what's the best way to write the db_ code ?
20:57:13 <xemacs5> any suggestions?
20:59:42 <davb> db_0or1row?
20:59:47 <davb> * davb thinks
21:00:13 <davb> or db_string also will work. Most of the db queries will return "" if 0 rows are returned, so you can check for that.
21:01:19 <xemacs5> yeah, found it, I thought that I remembered a 0or1row command, thanks
21:01:55 <davb> np :)
21:13:13 <davb> http://hem.fyristorg.com/matben/jabberlib/
21:13:13 <chump> G: http://hem.fyristorg.com/matben/jabberlib/ from davb
21:13:29 <davb> G:|A Jabber Library for Tcl
21:13:29 <chump> titled item G
21:13:36 <davb> G: uses a modified TclXML
21:13:36 <chump> commented item G
21:15:05 <davb> http://hem.fyristorg.com/matben/
21:15:05 <chump> H: http://hem.fyristorg.com/matben/ from davb
21:15:33 <davb> H:|The Cocinella - a shared window/whiteboard
21:15:33 <chump> titled item H
21:15:44 <davb> H: Windows, Mac, and Linux support
21:15:44 <chump> commented item H
21:20:43 <davb> bye
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21:33:09 <til> xemacs5 are you still here?
21:39:49 <til> just wanted to ask you to also add your query to acs_groups__member_p in acs-kernel/sql/oracle/groups-body-create.sql
21:40:02 <til> that'd be cool
21:46:48 <til> have to go, bye
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21:47:00 <bartt> A question for Oracle hackers: does Oracle have a to_timestamp function?
21:47:16 <markd2> what does that do?
21:47:28 <bartt> Or is the PG function to_timestamp equivalent to to_datetime?
21:47:48 <markd2> what does it do, then maybe I can tell you :-)
21:47:49 <bartt> to_timestamp returns date and time with time zone
21:47:54 <markd2> hmmm
21:48:12 <markd2> oracle's timezone handling is non-existant
21:48:28 <markd2> you can get the the date and time, but it'll be in the timezone as configured by the database
21:48:32 <bartt> It converts a text string to a timestamp.
21:48:45 <markd2> to_date is oracle's equivalent
21:49:01 <markd2> to_date (sysdate, 'Month DD, YYYY HH:MI:SS');
21:49:12 <bartt> I just found out that in PG to_date only returns the date not the time.
21:49:34 <markd2> oracle doesn't have a distinct date and timestamp - theyr'e rolled into one date type
21:50:15 <bartt> But I can use to_timestamp in PG, thanks markd2
21:50:27 <markd2> any time
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22:21:50 <Psychephylax> * Psychephylax buys more stuff
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22:22:36 <rbm> woot
22:22:41 <Psychephylax> moo!
22:22:50 <rbm> 23 inches of snow here in Utah today.
22:23:12 <rbm> First time USU cancelled its classes in 20 years.
22:23:36 <rbm> moo psyche
22:23:39 <denshi> bork!
22:23:42 <denshi> http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=a2sj09%24nq1%241%40hadron.noos.net&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dcomp.databases%26hl%3Den%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch
22:23:43 <chump> I: http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&threadm=a2sj09%24nq1%241%40hadron.noos.net&prev=/groups%3Fq%3Dcomp.databases%26hl%3Den%26btnG%3DGoogle%2BSearch from denshi
22:23:43 <rbm> Did I miss something?
22:24:10 <Psychephylax> snow?
22:24:13 <denshi> * denshi wishes google usenet urls were shorter.
22:26:35 <rbm> The Debian Policy Manual should be split into separate manuals.
22:30:54 <Psychephylax> i spend too much money
22:37:35 <markd2> there's a solution for that
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22:44:24 <denshi> denshi has quit ()