00:43:21 http://www.macedition.com/cb/resources/macbrowsercsssupport.html 00:43:23 A: http://www.macedition.com/cb/resources/macbrowsercsssupport.html from davb 00:43:34 A:|CSS Support in iCab and Omniweb 00:43:34 titled item A 01:10:02 yesh 01:10:05 I feel worse than death 03:00:04 talilee (~chatzilla@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 03:00:56 talilee has quit (Client Quit) 03:33:35 hazmat has left #openacs 05:58:30 Psychephylax has quit (adams.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:58:31 chump has quit (adams.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:58:31 abbaJ has quit (adams.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:58:31 davb has quit (adams.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:58:32 djg has quit (adams.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:58:32 shagster has quit (adams.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:58:32 til has quit (adams.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 05:58:32 talli has quit (adams.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 06:01:07 abbaJ (~jabba@adsl-65-67-61-34.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #OpenACS 06:01:08 til (tils@port-212-202-128-200.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #OpenACS 06:01:08 djg (~dirk@212.84.246.68) has joined #OpenACS 06:01:08 shagster (~mkovach@web1.alal.com) has joined #OpenACS 06:01:08 talli (~user@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #OpenACS 06:01:08 chump (~chump@alb-24-58-160-41.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 06:01:08 Psychephylax (proxy@ool-18bd7775.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #OpenACS 06:01:08 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 06:02:12 [#OpenACS] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 07:33:57 til has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:00:40 shagster has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:00:42 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10:00:42 shagster (~mkovach@web1.alal.com) has joined #openacs 13:38:48 http://madskills.com/wasabii 13:38:49 B: http://madskills.com/wasabii from davb 13:39:06 B:|wasabii: web application standard API (for) bi-directional information interchange 13:39:06 titled item B 14:03:44 I think its time to go to the dark side... 14:03:46 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 14:30:50 davb (dave@alb-24-58-160-239.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 14:31:41 davb_ (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-239.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 14:31:43 davb has quit (Client Quit) 14:31:49 davb_ is now known as davb 17:41:56 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.141.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 18:13:01 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 18:16:50 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.141.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 18:49:11 talli (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 18:49:35 hey guys 18:49:43 yö 18:50:04 how are you markd2? 18:51:02 btw... 18:51:03 http://www.rons.net.cn/english/FSM/fedor 18:51:03 C: http://www.rons.net.cn/english/FSM/fedor from talli 18:51:15 C: Interesting article about Objective-C 18:51:15 commented item C 19:04:49 til (tils@port-212-202-128-200.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 19:46:18 I like ObjC's "here are a bunch of tools and techniques. go have fun" more than Java's "we'll take care of you" 19:48:29 hi talli 20:04:46 talli has left #openacs 20:21:56 davb has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:52:46 talli (~talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 20:53:01 hey guys 20:53:26 markd2: can Objective-C be used for things other than GUIs? i assume so, but i haven't seen anything built with it otherwise 20:54:27 it sure can 20:54:32 the Foundation Kit is entirely non-gui 20:54:47 there's basic data structures there, IPC, threading, etc in there 20:55:56 but it's still more comlpex to develop with than a scripting language? 20:56:14 yep 20:56:21 since you have all the C stuff 20:57:07 ah, i see 20:57:40 i guess i'm asking if you were asked to write a web app using an OO language, would you do it with java or obj-c? 20:57:52 personally, I'd use python 20:57:59 java a distant second 20:58:09 you getting the python bug too? :) 20:58:23 can obj-C be used to add a aolserver module? 20:58:24 rzolf's so hot and bothered about about Python, I went and got the o'reilly intro bok 20:58:26 book 20:58:42 talli - sure. you can call C APIs (like aolserver) all you want 20:58:53 and Python is realy cool 20:59:02 how so? 20:59:06 I can envision so many sick and twisted things you can do with that 20:59:14 it's simple, but powerful (gee, how vague) 20:59:15 with python? 20:59:29 everything is fundamentally based on namespaces and name resolution 20:59:37 it has multiple inheritance and closures 20:59:58 encapsulation is by convention, not enforced, so if you need to break encapsulation to get work done, you can 21:00:10 plus all of the operators can be overloaded 21:00:29 so you can make powerful types, and have them fit seamlessly in with the world 21:00:45 the functions you write are all automatically type generic 21:00:53 they Just Work whether given numbers, strings, arrays, or dictionaries 21:01:02 it seems to be in the "here are a bunch of powerful tools with few restrictions . go have fun" 21:01:31 hmmm... that does sound cool. particularly in the web app world 21:02:20 davb (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-239.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 21:02:45 since it is pretty easy to get into python (vs say Java), the intellectual bar is lower 21:03:19 everything else is just puddin' 21:04:16 but i would definitely like to learn more about python 21:04:34 there was another article in that FSF magazine about psychoPG, a python library for PG 21:04:55 I got that installed on my tibook on friday 21:05:07 whoa. you have a tibook? 21:05:09 cool 21:05:09 was able to do a basic select. I was happy 21:05:16 it's what I run Os/X on 21:05:21 nice 21:05:28 I like the keyboard of this G3 PB more (which I'm on right now) 21:05:48 nice. 21:05:58 puts me in a quandry 21:06:05 i have an old-world G3 that i am thinking of running OS X on. 21:06:15 since this machine can't accept an airport card, I use wavelan, which isn't supported under X :-( 21:06:17 it's been abused so much that i don't know if it could handle it, though 21:06:23 heh 21:06:37 what kind of G3 PB is it? 21:06:49 one of the black keyboard ones 21:06:56 a G3/266 21:07:10 ah, cool 21:07:28 have you tried connecting a USB keyboard to the Ti? 21:07:42 nah 21:07:51 kinda defeats the purpose of keeping it in your lap and sitting on the sofa :-) 21:07:57 true enough :) 21:08:59 til has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21:09:09 http://www.rons.net.cn/english/FSM/fog 21:09:09 D: http://www.rons.net.cn/english/FSM/fog from talli 21:09:33 D: article on PsychPG. unfortunately, it's a Zope + PG focus... 21:09:33 commented item D 21:09:56 there's a really nice code snippet there, though, showing how to connect to PG through the python library 21:09:59 kinda pretty 21:13:50 hey davb 21:14:19 hi 21:43:46 til (tils@port-212-202-128-200.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 21:47:49 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 22:23:15 [Global Notice] Hi all. 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