IRC log of openacs on 2002-01-27

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00:43:21 [davb]
http://www.macedition.com/cb/resources/macbrowsercsssupport.html
00:43:23 [chump]
A: http://www.macedition.com/cb/resources/macbrowsercsssupport.html from davb
00:43:34 [davb]
A:|CSS Support in iCab and Omniweb
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titled item A
01:10:02 [Psychephylax]
yesh
01:10:05 [Psychephylax]
I feel worse than death
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13:38:48 [davb]
http://madskills.com/wasabii
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B: http://madskills.com/wasabii from davb
13:39:06 [davb]
B:|wasabii: web application standard API (for) bi-directional information interchange
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titled item B
14:03:44 [davb]
I think its time to go to the dark side...
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18:49:35 [talli]
hey guys
18:49:43 [markd2]
yö
18:50:04 [talli]
how are you markd2?
18:51:02 [talli]
btw...
18:51:03 [talli]
http://www.rons.net.cn/english/FSM/fedor
18:51:03 [chump]
C: http://www.rons.net.cn/english/FSM/fedor from talli
18:51:15 [talli]
C: Interesting article about Objective-C
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commented item C
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19:46:18 [markd2]
I like ObjC's "here are a bunch of tools and techniques. go have fun" more than Java's "we'll take care of you"
19:48:29 [davb]
hi talli
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20:53:01 [talli]
hey guys
20:53:26 [talli]
markd2: can Objective-C be used for things other than GUIs? i assume so, but i haven't seen anything built with it otherwise
20:54:27 [markd2]
it sure can
20:54:32 [markd2]
the Foundation Kit is entirely non-gui
20:54:47 [markd2]
there's basic data structures there, IPC, threading, etc in there
20:55:56 [talli]
but it's still more comlpex to develop with than a scripting language?
20:56:14 [markd2]
yep
20:56:21 [markd2]
since you have all the C stuff
20:57:07 [talli]
ah, i see
20:57:40 [talli]
i guess i'm asking if you were asked to write a web app using an OO language, would you do it with java or obj-c?
20:57:52 [markd2]
personally, I'd use python
20:57:59 [markd2]
java a distant second
20:58:09 [talli]
you getting the python bug too? :)
20:58:23 [talli]
can obj-C be used to add a aolserver module?
20:58:24 [markd2]
rzolf's so hot and bothered about about Python, I went and got the o'reilly intro bok
20:58:26 [markd2]
book
20:58:42 [markd2]
talli - sure. you can call C APIs (like aolserver) all you want
20:58:53 [markd2]
and Python is realy cool
20:59:02 [talli]
how so?
20:59:06 [markd2]
I can envision so many sick and twisted things you can do with that
20:59:14 [markd2]
it's simple, but powerful (gee, how vague)
20:59:15 [talli]
with python?
20:59:29 [markd2]
everything is fundamentally based on namespaces and name resolution
20:59:37 [markd2]
it has multiple inheritance and closures
20:59:58 [markd2]
encapsulation is by convention, not enforced, so if you need to break encapsulation to get work done, you can
21:00:10 [markd2]
plus all of the operators can be overloaded
21:00:29 [markd2]
so you can make powerful types, and have them fit seamlessly in with the world
21:00:45 [markd2]
the functions you write are all automatically type generic
21:00:53 [markd2]
they Just Work whether given numbers, strings, arrays, or dictionaries
21:01:02 [markd2]
it seems to be in the "here are a bunch of powerful tools with few restrictions . go have fun"
21:01:31 [talli]
hmmm... that does sound cool. particularly in the web app world
21:02:20 [davb]
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21:02:45 [markd2]
since it is pretty easy to get into python (vs say Java), the intellectual bar is lower
21:03:19 [talli]
everything else is just puddin'
21:04:16 [talli]
but i would definitely like to learn more about python
21:04:34 [talli]
there was another article in that FSF magazine about psychoPG, a python library for PG
21:04:55 [markd2]
I got that installed on my tibook on friday
21:05:07 [talli]
whoa. you have a tibook?
21:05:09 [talli]
cool
21:05:09 [markd2]
was able to do a basic select. I was happy
21:05:16 [markd2]
it's what I run Os/X on
21:05:21 [talli]
nice
21:05:28 [markd2]
I like the keyboard of this G3 PB more (which I'm on right now)
21:05:48 [talli]
nice.
21:05:58 [markd2]
puts me in a quandry
21:06:05 [talli]
i have an old-world G3 that i am thinking of running OS X on.
21:06:15 [markd2]
since this machine can't accept an airport card, I use wavelan, which isn't supported under X :-(
21:06:17 [talli]
it's been abused so much that i don't know if it could handle it, though
21:06:23 [markd2]
heh
21:06:37 [talli]
what kind of G3 PB is it?
21:06:49 [markd2]
one of the black keyboard ones
21:06:56 [markd2]
a G3/266
21:07:10 [talli]
ah, cool
21:07:28 [talli]
have you tried connecting a USB keyboard to the Ti?
21:07:42 [markd2]
nah
21:07:51 [markd2]
kinda defeats the purpose of keeping it in your lap and sitting on the sofa :-)
21:07:57 [talli]
true enough :)
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21:09:09 [talli]
http://www.rons.net.cn/english/FSM/fog
21:09:09 [chump]
D: http://www.rons.net.cn/english/FSM/fog from talli
21:09:33 [talli]
D: article on PsychPG. unfortunately, it's a Zope + PG focus...
21:09:33 [chump]
commented item D
21:09:56 [talli]
there's a really nice code snippet there, though, showing how to connect to PG through the python library
21:09:59 [talli]
kinda pretty
21:13:50 [talli]
hey davb
21:14:19 [davb]
hi
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[Global Notice] Hi all. Quick reroute of some European leaf servers. Please bear with us.
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