IRC log of openacs on 2002-01-24

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00:01:06 [davb]
argh.
00:01:16 [davb]
I can't send messages from MUTT under cygwin.
00:01:18 [davb]
darn.
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00:08:49 [davb]
http://unixmail-w32.sourceforge.net/
00:08:49 [chump]
A: http://unixmail-w32.sourceforge.net/ from davb
00:09:26 [davb]
argh! Chump finally rolled to the next day. we never made it to Z :(
00:09:38 [davb]
A: UNIXMail for Windows
00:09:38 [chump]
commented item A
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00:13:34 [denshi]
loggy, where is markd2?
00:15:51 [loggy]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'where is markd2'
00:15:53 [loggy]
0) 2002-01-24 00:13:34 <denshi> loggy, where is markd2?
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00:33:51 [hazmat]
anyone tried sapdb?
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01:47:34 [davb]
hi guys
01:47:40 [jim]
hiya...
01:48:49 [jim]
I'm looking to find out if anyone knows how I can get a copy of the problem set 4 pdf of aduni SICP?
01:49:22 [davb]
I never downloaded them. its not at aduni.org?
01:49:33 [jim]
well, it's not linked from there
01:49:40 [davb]
ah.
01:50:14 [jim]
and it's not in the dir with the others...
01:51:05 [jim]
thought I'd go for ps5, hmm, not sure if it's tacklable without ps4
01:52:27 [jim]
I guess I could contact the instructor...
01:53:46 [davb]
that is weird.
01:53:57 [davb]
did you get the whole file set from aduni.org?
01:54:41 [vinod]
jim: that is interesting. you could grab the solutions file and try to figure out what the questions were - kinda like jeopardy :-)
01:55:57 [jim]
davb: I ordered it; the drive hasn't arrived
01:56:05 [davb]
aha.
01:56:16 [davb]
I was wondering if they just forgot to link it into the page...
01:57:59 [jim]
I tried a wget on it, replacing the number with 5, not found... so it's not in the dir (if they're using something like apache, where it would get served if it's in the dir
02:00:40 [jim]
hmm, seems like it's a standard MIT pset
02:02:03 [davb]
Probably is. I couldn't tell.
02:05:08 [jim]
I think it's Picture Language; I think I found it
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02:19:33 [davb]
arghargharghargh
02:23:37 [davb]
I am doomed to only use Outlook express in windows....
02:24:33 [markd2]
:-(
02:26:11 [vinod]
that's your punishment for using windows :-)
02:30:18 [davb]
heh
02:30:51 [davb]
hopefully I can get some $$$ out of this project and get a new iMac, of course then I need a $600 photoshop...
02:31:15 [markd2]
can your windows license transfer over?
02:32:49 [davb]
I don't think so. That would be nice, but I am not betting on it.
02:33:09 [davb]
Actually I forgot, I need to wait until Photoshop for OS X is available anyway.
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03:17:42 [talli]
hey guys
03:17:57 [davb]
hi
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03:41:02 [hazmat]
bye talli
03:41:15 [hazmat]
hey davb what happened to the creature?
03:45:42 [davb]
oh, I was running it in an ssh session and I closed it :)
03:45:52 [davb]
now I am in windows.
03:47:37 [davb]
I want to see if it can do a weblog like chump, or something similar anyway. Actually that can be used to build a knowledge base thingy if you give it terms instead of URLs.
03:49:13 [davb]
tomorrow I'll get it running on the server. Then the logs and stuff will be available.
04:00:17 [davb]
bye
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15:03:16 [davb]
hello!
15:21:28 [markd2]
hiya
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* markd2 is working with a 19 minute latency
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16:39:55 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Due to sponsor commitments we will need to do some rerouting in a few minutes. One main rotation, a European hub and a couple of small servers will be affected. They'll split and rejoin. Apologies for the inconvenience.
16:40:13 [xemacs5]
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16:40:41 [xemacs5]
hello, any OACS4 folks here ?
16:41:06 [davb]
Sure, go ahead :)
16:43:52 [xemacs5]
ok, am wondering if there is already a proc that lets me check if a user is a member of a particular group
16:44:02 [xemacs5]
for instance, on page visit
16:44:18 [xemacs5]
set user_id [ad_conn user_id]
16:44:28 [davb]
right. hold on...
16:45:08 [xemacs5]
if { [ member_group_p $user_id "Group name"] } etc.
16:45:28 [tils]
xemacs5: last time i looked this was not implemented
16:45:48 [xemacs5]
I think I can easily write such a function
16:45:53 [xemacs5]
I have the sql to do it
16:45:57 [tils]
the function's definition is there, but no code in it
16:46:11 [tils]
cool, the sdm is happily awaiting your patch ;-)
16:46:24 [xemacs5]
but was hoping to avoid a performance hit with an SQL query on each page load
16:46:31 [davb]
right its not in there that I can see.
16:47:00 [tils]
you could util_memoize it
16:47:09 [xemacs5]
maybe I could stick member/group info into an nsv shared variable and expire it every 10 minutes
16:47:22 [xemacs5]
right, you understand what I am saying about that
16:48:52 [xemacs5]
hmm, maybe it would be best to cache information on a user by user basis
16:49:21 [xemacs5]
so that if a user is a member of many groups the speedup would apply to everything
16:51:18 [tils]
you say you have the sql to determine group membership - does that deal with composition_rels etc.? (i am still trying to understand that stuff)
16:52:30 [xemacs5]
tils: I think it does, it is a modified version of the SQL that Tom Jackson posted about in the OACS4 Design forum a day or so ago
16:54:52 [xemacs5]
the composition_rels stuff I have found to be a little confusing
16:55:30 [tils]
confusing it definitely is, esp. with the current lack of documentation
16:55:45 [xemacs5]
however we created (on our test server) a group, then a subgroup and added a user to the subgroup but not the main group
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16:56:29 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Okay folks. We will now have a major netsplit and join to fix that sponsor problem, followed by a couple more smaller ones. Please bear with us.
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17:00:28 [tils]
so your group_member_p query is able to determine membership via subgroup? (maybe your answer was lost in the netsplit)
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17:44:27 [davb]
* davb emails the NSSoap guy.
17:57:57 [xemacs5]
anyone here beat on the edit-this-page (ETP) stuff yet? got opinions on it?
17:58:29 [davb]
it is a great system.
17:58:42 [davb]
Someone is working on UI enhancements right now.
17:59:08 [davb]
I really like the way it can be extended.
17:59:30 [davb]
I want something that works like that for user submitted content.
17:59:53 [davb]
So I can build a custom type with attributes and let visitors suggest items.
17:59:55 [xemacs5]
can it not be used for user submitted content right now?
18:00:22 [davb]
Not in that way. If you give write permission to the public, then anyone can edit anyone elses submission.
18:00:36 [davb]
This would have to make each submission the property of the sumbitter.
18:00:38 [markd2]
* markd2 laughs demonically
18:00:51 [davb]
so it could support classified ads, job postings etc.
18:01:09 [davb]
markd2: playing baldur's gate again?
18:02:17 [markd2]
not since sunday
18:02:25 [markd2]
gotta keep away from it during the 'work' week
18:02:44 [davb]
ah.
18:02:59 [davb]
http://www.macscripter.net/unscripted.html
18:03:00 [chump]
B: http://www.macscripter.net/unscripted.html from davb
18:03:14 [davb]
B:|Applescript Saves a Stolen iMac
18:03:14 [chump]
titled item B
18:05:17 [markd2]
did chump get past Z yesterday?
18:06:54 [davb]
nope, it reset after X.
18:07:01 [davb]
to the next day
18:07:40 [markd2]
bummer
18:07:57 [markd2]
one of these days we need to have a "stuff loggy with lame links" and see what happens
18:08:00 [markd2]
er, stuff chump
18:08:06 [markd2]
rubber baby chumpy stuffers
18:09:09 [davb]
I could probably look at the code, but that wouldn't be as much fun
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18:15:26 [davb]
wohoo!
18:15:32 [davb]
I am #1 on google for dave bauer
18:15:56 [davb]
I put my name on every chump page for that a couple hundred pages.
18:17:32 [talli]
movin' up in the world...
18:17:51 [davb]
there was some dorky real estate agent there. I had to get rid of him.
18:20:31 [davb]
bbiab - lunch
18:25:48 [markd2]
Did you ever work at a small startup in Northern Virginia?
18:29:40 [davb]
back, me? nope
18:35:50 [markd2]
I never picked up your last name 'til now
18:36:00 [markd2]
I worked with a Dave Bauer back in virginia many moons ago
18:37:37 [davb]
Ah.
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19:23:59 [hazmat]
good morning/afternoon
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19:51:47 [xemacs5]
hello vinod
19:53:06 [vinod]
hi xemacs5
19:57:17 [xemacs5]
hello vinod, how are you?
19:57:31 [the_docwolf]
hi everybody
19:57:48 [xemacs5]
I was asking earlier about OACS4 and groups
19:58:17 [xemacs5]
whether there is a proc that will let you determine if smoeone is a member of a particular group
19:58:28 [xemacs5]
the consensus was that there is not
19:58:33 [vinod]
hmmm... don't know off the top of my head
19:58:45 [vinod]
consensus around here is usually pretty good :-)
19:58:54 [vinod]
i'll look though
19:59:07 [xemacs5]
ok, will work on writing a little proc to do just that
19:59:24 [xemacs5]
group_member_p or whatnot :-)
20:00:38 [the_docwolf]
question for the group
20:00:41 [the_docwolf]
this is a toughy
20:01:02 [the_docwolf]
anyone have experience working with barcode scanners?
20:01:23 [the_docwolf]
(beyond the cue-cat, of course..)
20:01:50 [tils]
xemacs5: acs_group__member_p in /acs-kernel/sql/postgresql/groups-body-create.sql
20:02:32 [tils]
the body of the function goes like this: "-- TO DO: implement this for real"
20:02:53 [tils]
sigh
20:03:21 [tils]
same in the oracle version
20:04:15 [vinod]
tils: ouch
20:05:39 [vinod]
the_docwolf: sorry - no experience here. you setting up a warehouse for your health *ahem* drinks? ;-)
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20:05:49 [the_docwolf]
hehe
20:05:52 [the_docwolf]
"drinks".
20:05:55 [the_docwolf]
muahaha
20:06:10 [the_docwolf]
actually, a friend here is trying to convince me to open a GH clinic.
20:07:54 [vinod]
GH?
20:08:06 [tils]
drinks?
20:11:00 [talli]
the_docwolf: we're supposed to eventually look at barcode integration stuff. my sense is that it's not such a terrible thing to put together. at least from my initial indications
20:11:19 [davb]
talli: you guys are into everything!
20:11:20 [the_docwolf]
well, i need to find someone who can point me to hardware
20:11:30 [the_docwolf]
that will play nice with an open solution
20:11:52 [talli]
you should speak with john sequeira. he knows everything about everything
20:11:57 [talli]
johnseq@pobox.com
20:12:05 [the_docwolf]
really?
20:12:56 [talli]
yes indeed. if he doesn't know about this thing, he can help you find someone or something that does
20:13:18 [the_docwolf]
cool
20:13:19 [talli]
he's also the best person, that we've found, to do something heavy and weird in a short time. he's really great
20:13:43 [talli]
(http://www.pobox.com/~johnseq
20:18:01 [xemacs5]
the_docwolf: I have set up barcode readers for a client; what knid of info are you looking for?
20:20:07 [xemacs5]
concerning hardware, basically you plug it into the keyboard port and when you scan the barcode it just "looks" like it was typed in
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connection reset by beer
20:52:53 [vinod]
mmmm beer
20:56:54 [davb]
http://www.chilliman.com/beer_labels_frame.htm
20:56:54 [chump]
C: http://www.chilliman.com/beer_labels_frame.htm from davb
20:56:59 [davb]
C:|Guess the beer label
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titled item C
20:57:10 [davb]
C: I only got 3 I think...
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commented item C
21:03:09 [vinod]
i got 4, but now i'm really thirsty
21:03:44 [davb]
sorry :(
21:08:39 [davb]
http://www.silicon.com/bin/bladerunner?30REQEVENT=&REQAUTH=21046&14001REQSUB=REQINT1=50470
21:08:39 [chump]
D: http://www.silicon.com/bin/bladerunner?30REQEVENT=&REQAUTH=21046&14001REQSUB=REQINT1=50470 from davb
21:08:48 [davb]
D:|GPS Bearing Watch Finds the nearest pub
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titled item D
21:08:55 [markd2]
I got 4 too
21:09:30 [vinod]
now if i could taste them first, ....
21:12:05 [davb]
I probably posted this before or something similar, but they have a new web site
21:12:06 [davb]
http://www.ldraw.org/
21:12:07 [chump]
E: http://www.ldraw.org/ from davb
21:12:07 [vinod]
D: Now, this is technology put to good use
21:12:08 [chump]
commented item D
21:12:21 [davb]
D:|LDraw Resources, Lego drawing software
21:12:21 [chump]
titled item D
21:17:23 [vinod]
oops - i think you titled the wrong one
21:17:38 [davb]
yep
21:17:49 [davb]
E:|LDraw Resources, Lego drawing software
21:17:49 [chump]
titled item E
21:17:54 [davb]
D: oops
21:17:55 [chump]
commented item D
21:18:07 [davb]
D:|GPS Bearing Watch Finds the nearest pub
21:18:31 [davb]
D:|GPS Bearing Watch Finds the nearest pub
21:18:31 [chump]
titled item D
21:18:35 [davb]
ah fixed it.
21:18:36 [davb]
thanks
21:18:37 [davb]
time to go
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anyone wants to test an addition to the bboard 3->4 migration scripts?
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denshi has changed the topic to: OpenACS:Free Web Toolkit http://openacs.org, awash on the seas of a capricious network.
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indeed
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hey denshi
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yo yo
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* denshi pours a 40 on the ground for all his dead homies.