IRC log of openacs on 2002-01-23

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M: surprisingly informative with only a couple of missing parts
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commented item M
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00:19:39 [davb]
howdy vinod
00:20:59 [vinod]
hey davb!
00:20:59 [markd2]
vînöd iz iñ thé håüs
00:22:10 [vinod]
* vinod feels jealous of markd2's characters
00:23:40 [markd2]
* markd2 is quite the çharacter
00:26:05 [vinod]
actually, you're more of a VARCHAR2
00:26:12 [markd2]
auto-expanding
00:26:17 [vinod]
haha
00:26:22 [markd2]
* markd2 CLOBers vinod
00:26:35 [markd2]
no wait! I can't do that to the PERFORMer!
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* vinod avoids the BLOB
00:27:51 [davb]
I am running mutt in cygwin, but the color isn;t working, I am getting closer...
00:28:00 [vinod]
wow
00:28:09 [vinod]
are you running cygwin in wine in linux?
00:28:13 [davb]
heh
00:28:33 [davb]
no when I must boot into Windows. I haven't attempted to run photoshop under wine.
00:28:42 [davb]
I need a speed boost first :)
00:29:12 [markd2]
* markd2 enters Linux-roolZ mode
00:29:17 [markd2]
does GIMP do what you need to do?
00:29:22 [markd2]
* markd2 leaves Linux-roolZ mode
00:29:33 [vinod]
what mode was markd2 in before (vinod asks suspiciously)
00:29:45 [markd2]
* markd2 is currently in raving-lunatic mode
00:29:54 [markd2]
and Objective-C / cocoa mode
00:29:58 [markd2]
which may be one and the same
00:30:02 [vinod]
haha
00:30:19 [davb]
gimp is nice, but the text is not so spiffy. ALso I have about 50 layers in this thing and it runs great in photoshop. Also the tool relearning is not worth it.
00:30:44 [davb]
heh. I have GIMP running in windows too :)
00:31:06 [vinod]
davb is the cross-platform king
00:31:08 [talli]
* talli is aghast
00:31:20 [davb]
not quite. I only have two.
00:31:34 [talli]
vinod: you're a dr! and you have the disabled exercising for your pleasure in peep shows?
00:31:39 [davb]
Maybe I will dig out the Vic-20 and Atari 800
00:32:13 [vinod]
* vinod is completely confused
00:32:25 [talli]
gimp running in windows
00:32:35 [vinod]
haha
00:32:36 [davb]
aigh.
00:32:41 [vinod]
that was davb, not me
00:32:59 [vinod]
i keep my gimps running in X windows
00:33:21 [talli]
* talli quits stringing puns together and slinks back to his spreadsheets
00:34:19 [vinod]
markd2: have you built anything with cocoa yet? (or is it topsecret stuff)
00:38:20 [markd2]
just working through tutorials
00:38:35 [markd2]
I've got a list about a dozen long of stuff I want to work on
00:42:04 [vinod]
cool
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01:41:18 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. We've had a failure and are currently restoring servers.
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01:50:34 [denshi]
* denshi hands vinod a guinness
01:50:45 [vinod]
heh
01:50:50 [vinod]
already got one in my hand :-)
01:51:08 [vinod]
but of course, i'll take another
01:52:42 [markd2]
double-fisted drinking
01:52:47 [markd2]
makes it harder to type, though
01:53:13 [vinod]
dkasdf;jaf adfkjf;asdfi jsaf
01:53:15 [denshi]
just get one of those keyboards with the duplo-sized keys.
01:53:32 [vinod]
ok, i'll put one down
01:53:32 [denshi]
toddlers and drunkards; they know their audience.
01:55:29 [talli]
denshi! i was looking for you...
02:03:03 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. Just to recap, we've had a catastrophic network failure we are still analyzing. Now would be a good time for you to consider helping the project, especially if you code in C, know who Stevens is and are comfortable with sockets coding. Our current server code is up on http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~aps100/dancer/dancer-ircd/1.0/releases/dancer-ircd-1.0.31.tar.gz . Thanks.
02:03:04 [talli]
denshi: i liked your idea about writing a ns_parrot module rather than ns_perl
02:03:04 [markd2]
ns_parrot?
02:03:04 [markd2]
pinin' for the fjörds?
02:03:04 [talli]
parrot is an effort to build a byte code compiler that works with both perl and python
02:03:04 [denshi]
i hope jim agrees. It'll be awhile before it's production grade, though. So it doesn't obviate ns_ruby and pywx.
02:03:04 [denshi]
...and ruby. parrot is also the only intended backend for perl6.
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02:04:01 [denshi]
well, so much for that conversation.
02:04:34 [vinod]
you must've really pissed him off
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02:04:49 [talli]
rather parrot is a byte code executor
02:04:50 [denshi]
i have that effect on people.
02:04:59 [vinod]
:-)
02:05:14 [markd2]
heh
02:05:28 [markd2]
denshi: I was pondering your multi-user language idea
02:05:32 [talli]
what? whad i miss?
02:05:54 [markd2]
it sounds like a great fit for many web apps, which seems to spend a lot of time managing and carrying around a particular user's state
02:06:05 [denshi]
loggy, are you fully functional?
02:07:16 [loggy]
I'm logging. I found 1 answer for 'are you fully functional'
02:07:17 [loggy]
0) 2002-01-23 02:06:05 <denshi> loggy, are you fully functional?
02:07:38 [vinod]
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02:07:38 [vinod]
02:04:01 <denshi> well, so much for that conversation.
02:07:38 [vinod]
02:04:34 <vinod> you must've really pissed him off
02:07:52 [vinod]
i'm tellin ya, i could do loggy's job
02:09:42 [markd2]
you're overqualified
02:09:46 [markd2]
now maybe chump's job...
02:10:50 [vinod]
nah. chump does xslt which is one of those black-art things
02:11:52 [denshi]
so mark, have you dreamed up any syntax on my proposed language?
02:12:12 [markd2]
nope
02:12:26 [markd2]
just a class of problems I'd apply it to :-)
02:12:57 [denshi]
yup. should I email you what I sent Paul Graham on my feature concepts?
02:13:21 [talli]
who's paul graham?
02:13:48 [denshi]
btw, mark, I found out that a 10th lvl fighter/mage can cap a Lich in 3 rounds. Baldur's Gate is disgustingly fun.
02:14:06 [markd2]
heh
02:14:10 [denshi]
www.paulgraham.com
02:14:15 [markd2]
I'm still on version 1
02:14:22 [talli]
yeah, just found it
02:14:41 [markd2]
sure. why not
02:14:50 [markd2]
i'd probably have no useful comments
02:15:01 [denshi]
He wrote ANSI Common LISP, a couple of advanced LISP techniques books, and now wants to trash it and make a new LISP more appropriate to today.
02:15:09 [vinod]
but even markd2's useless comments are helpful
02:15:35 [denshi]
I admire someone who writes a few essential textbooks before deciding something sucks. I mean, *that's* research.
02:16:47 [denshi]
talli: his name is relevant here b/c the language idea we're tossing around (multi-user as an explicit language construct) I took from his language proposal.
02:17:01 [denshi]
It was like two lines in a 30 page document of good ideas.
02:17:12 [denshi]
so I'm trying to flesh it out and make him build it.
02:17:33 [denshi]
good lord I don't want to become a fully fledged language designer.
02:17:43 [talli]
wow. killer
02:18:04 [talli]
is his language proposal resulting in Arc?
02:18:19 [denshi]
* denshi says "aha! mark *does* have an address!"
02:19:58 [markd2]
yeah. I hide it at the bottom of all the pages on my website :-)
02:20:28 [denshi]
that's pretty sneaky.
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02:21:25 [docwolf]
evening all.
02:22:05 [vinod]
howdy docwolf
02:22:32 [denshi]
talli: yes, that's his language prop.
02:22:50 [docwolf]
i am the cleaner.
02:24:08 [talli]
i like graham's third ques in his FAQ
02:24:28 [talli]
3) A language for Good Prorgammers - Target User: opposit of Java
02:25:51 [denshi]
As do I. His detractors say that the majority of programmers are not 'Good', but he points out that 'Good' programmers write the majority of the software.
02:26:11 [denshi]
I generally agree with anyone who genially raises the bar.
02:27:59 [markd2]
denshi: MVCC?
02:28:04 [markd2]
Model-View-Controller-C?
02:28:10 [markd2]
or something else I'm unaware of
02:28:16 [denshi]
multi-version-concurrency control.
02:28:19 [denshi]
d'oh.
02:28:33 [denshi]
the locking system oracle and postgres use.
02:28:40 [markd2]
gotcha
02:29:07 [denshi]
....the main reason a novice programmer can open a transaction and ask for things in random order, and never see a deadlock.
02:29:58 [markd2]
yeah
02:30:07 [markd2]
although the 6.916 crowd got pretty good at making oracle deadlock :-)
02:30:15 [denshi]
heh
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02:37:24 [rzolf]
hello freaks.
02:38:06 [denshi]
* denshi looks around for freaks.
02:39:48 [docwolf]
thems fighting words, rzolf. let's settle this at the shooting range.
02:39:53 [rzolf]
heh
02:39:55 [rzolf]
erf.
02:40:30 [docwolf]
i am convinced that trillian works well.
02:40:52 [docwolf]
the interface is a little bit too 1337 for my tastes, but i'm sure i'll adjust.
02:41:00 [denshi]
what's trillian?
02:41:17 [docwolf]
trillian is an IM client that works with AIM, yahoo, MSN, ICQ, and IRC.
02:41:25 [docwolf]
it's got direct connects with 128bit encryption.
02:42:40 [docwolf]
the interface is a little garish. kind of XP-esque.
02:43:36 [docwolf]
so much software these days looks like it's designed by 13 year olds. or drop-outs from the local art academy.
02:44:01 [denshi]
the local art academy must be big into gray, I should think.
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02:44:49 [lilo]
[Global Notice] Hi all. If you are interested in playing with dancer, suggest you stop by #mistertoad about now....and the source code is on http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~aps100/dancer/dancer-ircd/1.0/releases/dancer-ircd-1.0.31.tar.gz , grab a copy and start looking. Thanks.
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02:46:24 [rzolf]
docwolf are you ircing via trillian.
02:46:36 [docwolf]
yes. I am K-RAD.
02:49:21 [docwolf]
can anyone recommend a good, cheap projector?
02:49:27 [docwolf]
for business and home use..
02:54:17 [rzolf]
/msg docslappy want 2 chat about WWF?
02:54:25 [rzolf]
oops.
02:54:32 [docwolf]
haha
03:06:22 [denshi]
night guys
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13:48:32 [talli]
morning davb
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14:30:22 [davb]
hi talli
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14:41:05 [davb]
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/us-wizard/?article=wir
14:41:06 [chump]
N: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/library/us-wizard/?article=wir from davb
14:41:14 [davb]
N:|Crafting a Wizard
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titled item N
14:41:30 [davb]
N:Fifteen dos and don'ts for designing wizards that make complex tasks easier for your users from IBM Developerworks
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commented item N
14:41:48 [davb]
http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/usability/library/us-wizard2/
14:41:48 [chump]
O: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/usability/library/us-wizard2/ from davb
14:41:57 [davb]
O:|More Web-based wizard tips and tricks
14:42:00 [chump]
titled item O
14:42:23 [markd2]
* markd2 never liked the name 'wizard'
14:43:00 [markd2]
to me it has the implication "you're too dumb to do this. Here, we'll have someone a lot smarter than you do it"
14:43:20 [markd2]
I like the term 'assistant' a lot better
14:43:49 [davb]
ok, call it an automated date entry assistance enhancing apparatus
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s/date/data
14:44:00 [davb]
:)
14:47:39 [markd2]
exactly
14:47:50 [markd2]
at least that doesn't make me feel stupid
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* markd2 drools
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14:50:11 [davb]
hello dario
14:50:21 [davb]
anyway the articles are very good.
14:50:36 [davb]
assistant reminds me of that paperclip...
14:53:45 [davb]
N: Check out the Comment box at the bottom of the article. It allows for a long comment or a rating and its built into the page.
14:53:45 [chump]
commented item N
14:54:16 [davb]
N: but it doesn't show the comments back the the visitor :(
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commented item N
14:59:00 [davb]
http://www.chem.ucla.edu/~bnh/lotr/lotrmain.html
14:59:00 [chump]
P: http://www.chem.ucla.edu/~bnh/lotr/lotrmain.html from davb
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P:|Lord of the Rings in Lego
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titled item P
15:00:26 [markd2]
Lego of the Rings
15:01:57 [davb]
his council of elrond is more like I imagined it than the movie :)
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15:10:14 [ola]
hello
15:10:17 [davb]
hi ola!
15:10:19 [davb]
http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,36747,FF.html
15:10:19 [chump]
Q: http://www.business2.com/articles/mag/0,1640,36747,FF.html from davb
15:10:31 [davb]
Q:|The Case Against Knowledge Management
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titled item Q
15:11:05 [ola]
hi, what's up? migrated your site yet?
15:11:08 [davb]
nope.
15:11:25 [ola]
ah! waiting for beta, right?
15:11:27 [davb]
I am fooling around with ETP and trying to get it working the way I expect it to :)
15:11:30 [davb]
that too.
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Q: via [Camworld|http://www.camworld.com] "I think that gathering knowledge is the first step. Then you need filter it. And only then distribute it. Maybe the whole Knowledge Management field needs to coin some more specific phrases: knowlege filtering, knowledge aggregation, knowledge syndication, knowledge sharing, etc.
15:12:06 [chump]
commented item Q
15:12:35 [markd2]
knowledge thingies
15:13:17 [djg]
warum haste das gemacht?
15:17:56 [ola]
I always expect something extraordinary from ETP :-)
15:18:41 [ola]
myself, I've been playing with software RAID 1 on debian 2.4.17 over the past week(s)...
15:18:56 [davb]
ola: also at one point I decided to redesign it, but I might put that off...
15:19:08 [ola]
it's still somewhat of a mystery
15:19:14 [davb]
ah.
15:20:08 [ola]
ok. sure. keep the design as is but change to OACS4...
15:20:13 [davb]
Q:"They wanted a cafe, not a library" - an informal mailing list outperforms a fancy KM system
15:20:13 [chump]
commented item Q
15:20:28 [davb]
ola: yeah, but I am half programmer and half graphic designer
15:21:18 [davb]
Q: A very interesting article with some very good real questions to ask about a KM system
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commented item Q
15:22:39 [ola]
davb: you mean redesign your site or ETP? :-)
15:23:37 [markd2]
If I hear one more consultant say, "Knowledge is the only thing we
15:23:37 [markd2]
have to sell," I will take up narcolepsy in self-defense.
15:23:39 [markd2]
heh
15:25:44 [davb]
ola: my site :)
15:25:53 [davb]
ola: I am leaving ETP to Luke for now.
15:26:13 [davb]
also I want to get NSSoap working and make a service-contract for it.
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so packages can export services and call external services
15:26:49 [davb]
ola: also I have the top secret web site to demo in 5 weeks.
15:27:05 [ola]
cool stuff! ok. well, I guess oacs4 may be overkill in some cases.
15:27:22 [ola]
what top secret web site? :-)
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15:29:27 [ola]
("what foney dog shit?" - (from Top Secret with Val Kilmer))...
15:30:39 [davb]
ola: heh. I will tell you about it when its not so secret.
15:34:19 [talli]
davb: ETP's not too much of a priority for us right now
15:34:24 [davb]
cool; dotlrn.mit.edu has alot more broken links. hopefully soon the docs will be there.
15:34:30 [davb]
talli: aha.'
15:34:40 [talli]
i think jun yamog might be picking it up
15:34:42 [davb]
well you gotta pay the bill.
15:34:51 [davb]
ok.
15:36:50 [ola]
so PG 7.2 is coming out in about a week - anyone know what's gotten better since 7.1? (and what's gotten worse, if any)
15:36:58 [ola]
I only hope pg_dump works this time.
15:40:03 [davb]
it doesn't?
15:43:41 [ola]
not for me. at least not without human intervention and oacs4.
15:44:19 [ola]
s/and oacs4/on oacs4
15:44:32 [davb]
Ah. I hadn't tried it with 4 yet. I did dump from 7.0 to 7.1 with openacs 3, but I had to run postgresql.sql to get it to work.
15:45:21 [davb]
talli: let me know if he does pick it up, I will probably want to work with him on it. I will be using it alot.
15:46:26 [davb]
I have an idea that if I had one more package like ETP that was geared towards accepting visitor contributions with optional moderation that would be the only 2 packages most people would need.
15:47:12 [ola]
right. and that's kind of clunky IMO (perhaps not pg_dump's fault, though)
15:47:16 [davb]
and if that can be just another ETP application, only one package :)
15:47:24 [davb]
ola: I am used to clunky :)
15:47:33 [ola]
cool davb! I need such a package!! :-)
15:47:57 [davb]
heh. I will need it for the top secret project although polishing it up for release won't be a #1 priority.
15:48:30 [ola]
ok. but it will become open source...?
15:48:56 [davb]
ola: sure. I have an idea on a generic pacakge that can be customized to do what I need it to do.
15:50:01 [ola]
Hmm. sounds a lot like the old 3.x series...;-)
15:51:30 [davb]
heh. I mean I have several applications that are similar so I will build a package that supports them all. its the way its used that will be secret.
15:53:02 [ola]
don't tell me more, or you'll have to kill me, eh?
15:53:05 [ola]
:-)
15:54:31 [davb]
right.
15:54:41 [davb]
I have been waiting to use that joke!
15:56:00 [ola]
heh
15:59:23 [davb]
I can't believe people worry about search engines other than google.
15:59:51 [davb]
it is the #1 referrer on my site. I suspect it will replace DNS soon.
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http://techno-weenie.com/entry.php/view/4
16:11:48 [chump]
R: http://techno-weenie.com/entry.php/view/4 from davb
16:11:51 [davb]
hi vinod!
16:12:00 [vinod]
hey davb!
16:12:17 [davb]
R:|RFC for a Common XMLRPC API for Weblogs [or other web sites]
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titled item R
16:12:48 [dario]
dario is now known as dlk
16:12:57 [davb]
I wonder what happens when chump gets to the end of the alphabet
16:13:07 [davb]
It didn't roll over at the end of the day...
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16:17:22 [vinod]
after Z, it starts using markd2's characters
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heh
16:17:57 [markd2]
ÅÇ: http://www.kurup.com from vinod
16:18:08 [vinod]
haha
16:27:55 [ola]
reiserfs or not reiserfs, that's the question.
16:28:11 [ola]
reiserfs needs something like 32 MBs of extra space in the /boot partition for its journal. hmm..
16:34:32 [davb]
R: This looks pretty well though out and extendable. I think it would make a good fit as an interface for OpenACS/Edit-this-page
16:34:33 [chump]
commented item R
16:43:18 [davb]
http://thcnet.net/error/index.php
16:43:18 [chump]
S: http://thcnet.net/error/index.php from davb
16:43:29 [davb]
S: the coolest 404 page ever! I mean it!
16:43:29 [chump]
commented item S
16:43:57 [davb]
S: from [Swhack Weblog|http://blogspace.com/swhack/weblog/2002/01/21/]
16:43:57 [chump]
commented item S
16:45:45 [davb]
S: and you thought you were going to get some work done today!
16:45:45 [chump]
commented item S
16:49:14 [vinod]
cool!
16:49:27 [vinod]
* vinod scolds davb for not letting us get work done
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(as we are usually *so* productive)
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16:53:22 [markd2]
http://www.despair.com/bittersweets.html
16:53:22 [chump]
T: http://www.despair.com/bittersweets.html from markd2
16:53:37 [markd2]
T:| Valentine's Snacks for the Lonely Programmer
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titled item T
17:05:25 [markd2]
only 6 more to go before we hit Z
17:09:50 [davb]
i wonder why it didn't reset at the end of 1/22
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hi k2pts
17:14:25 [k2pts]
hey
17:17:45 [davb]
http://www.research.att.com/~andreas/sci.html
17:17:45 [chump]
U: http://www.research.att.com/~andreas/sci.html from davb
17:17:55 [davb]
U: The Science of Scientific Writing
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commented item U
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.usage
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darn
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.help
19:03:24 [DavesCreature]
usage: help <command>
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- provides specific usage help for command
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- for a list of valid commands, use commands in a channel or private message
19:03:33 [davb]
aha
19:04:13 [markd2]
DavesCreature?
19:04:22 [hazmat]
.google openacs rulz
19:04:23 [DavesCreature]
no results found.
19:04:27 [davb]
heh
19:04:27 [hazmat]
doh.
19:04:32 [davb]
a new bot
19:04:40 [hazmat]
.wn kibash
19:04:50 [markd2]
.help
19:04:50 [DavesCreature]
usage: help <command>
19:04:51 [DavesCreature]
- provides specific usage help for command
19:04:52 [DavesCreature]
- for a list of valid commands, use commands in a channel or private message
19:04:53 [hazmat]
ohh.. missing some commands
19:04:53 [markd2]
.help commands
19:04:53 [DavesCreature]
usage: commands
19:04:54 [DavesCreature]
- lists valid commands available within DavesCreature or contained on the Zope IRC command Interface (ZIRCI)
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.commands
19:05:07 [DavesCreature]
valid commands:
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- +mask, -mask, access, act, babel, billennium, c2f, change, commands, ctcp
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- date, dict, die, dns, e, email, excuse, f2c, flight, foldoc
19:05:10 [DavesCreature]
- fortune, google, help, imdb, intelliquote, isotime, jargon, join, login, masks
19:05:11 [DavesCreature]
- modules, msg, news, news on, news source, nick, nickometer, part, pig latin, plexname
19:05:11 [hazmat]
.weather lax
19:05:12 [DavesCreature]
no weather stations found for lax
19:05:12 [DavesCreature]
- poker, quit, quote, raw, register, rfc, rot13, search, seen, server
19:05:13 [DavesCreature]
- servers, spell, status, symbol for, time, translate, unixtime, users, weather, webster
19:05:14 [DavesCreature]
- when did, whois, wn, zipcode, zope commands
19:05:16 [davb]
oops. I wonder what I did wrong :)
19:05:22 [hazmat]
.python
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usage: .python <python-code>
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- DavesCreature will attempt to execute the python-code in a restricted environment, sending any printable results to IRC
19:05:26 [rzolf]
.google
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usage: google <query>
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- returns the url of top google search result for the query.
19:05:30 [hazmat]
.python raise SystemExit
19:05:33 [hazmat]
bummer ;)
19:05:35 [rzolf]
.google "barron chase securities"
19:05:36 [DavesCreature]
"barron chase securities": http://www.ipodata2.com/mgrsrch.cfm?mgr=BARRON
19:05:46 [markd2]
.rot13 "I seem to be a verb"
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"V frrz gb or n ireo"
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.fortune
19:05:48 [DavesCreature]
If you had a school for professional fireworks people, I don't think you could cover fuses in just one class. It's just too rich a subject.
19:05:51 [hazmat]
.fortune
19:05:52 [DavesCreature]
Here's a good joke to do during an earthquake: straddle a big crack in the ground, and if it opens wider, go "Whoa! Whoa! " and flail your arms around, like you're going to fall in.
19:05:52 [hazmat]
.fortune
19:05:52 [DavesCreature]
Imagination is not a gift, it must be conquered. (Breton)
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.help
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usage: help <command>
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- provides specific usage help for command
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- for a list of valid commands, use commands in a channel or private message
19:06:02 [hazmat]
.rfc 822
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http://rfc.net/rfc822.html : Standard for the format of ARPA Internet text messages
19:06:03 [chump]
V: http://rfc.net/rfc822.html from DavesCreature
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.rzolf
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.commands
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valid commands:
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- +mask, -mask, access, act, babel, billennium, c2f, change, commands, ctcp
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- date, dict, die, dns, e, email, excuse, f2c, flight, foldoc
19:06:13 [DavesCreature]
- fortune, google, help, imdb, intelliquote, isotime, jargon, join, login, masks
19:06:13 [davb]
heh chump vs creature
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- modules, msg, news, news on, news source, nick, nickometer, part, pig latin, plexname
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- poker, quit, quote, raw, register, rfc, rot13, search, seen, server
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- servers, spell, status, symbol for, time, translate, unixtime, users, weather, webster
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- when did, whois, wn, zipcode, zope commands
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.modules
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.nickometer markd2
19:06:37 [DavesCreature]
markd2 has 0% lameness
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.translate en-es hello
19:06:38 [DavesCreature]
incorrect syntax. see help tranlate for more info.
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.nickometer rzolf
19:06:43 [DavesCreature]
rzolf has 0% lameness
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.nickometer deathLORD
19:06:52 [DavesCreature]
deathLORD has 11% lameness
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.nickometer
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usage: nickometer <l33tnick>
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.news openacs
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- gauges how l33t (lame) a nickname is, as a percentage =)
19:06:56 [DavesCreature]
sorry, no such news source
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.news slashdot
19:07:02 [DavesCreature]
[ SLASHDOT ] - California's "Wireless-Free" Zone - Woz's New Startup - Yahoo! Launches Pay-Per-Search - http://slashdot.org/
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.nickometer rzolf
19:07:07 [DavesCreature]
rzolf has 0% lameness
19:07:10 [hazmat]
.google openacs /5
19:07:10 [rzolf]
woo hoo!
19:07:11 [DavesCreature]
openacs /5: http://www.openacs.org
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.google openacs /3
19:07:16 [DavesCreature]
openacs /3: http://openacs.org/shared/community-member.tcl?user_id=3919
19:07:31 [markd2]
.nickometer rzolf_likes_beans
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.nickometer rZ0Lfr00Lz
19:07:32 [DavesCreature]
rzolf_likes_beans has 0% lameness
19:07:32 [DavesCreature]
rZ0Lfr00Lz has 60% lameness
19:07:38 [hazmat]
.babel en-es hello
19:07:39 [DavesCreature]
hola
19:07:42 [markd2]
.nickometer rZ0Lf
19:07:43 [DavesCreature]
rZ0Lf has 40% lameness
19:07:45 [hazmat]
.babel en-de hello
19:07:46 [DavesCreature]
hallo
19:07:47 [rzolf]
.babel en-jp hello
19:07:47 [DavesCreature]
en-jp is not a valid translation method. type '.babel languages' to see possible permutations.
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.bable languages
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spelling
19:08:01 [markd2]
.babel jp-mars "bite me"
19:08:01 [DavesCreature]
jp-mars is not a valid translation method. type '.babel languages' to see possible permutations.
19:08:02 [rzolf]
whoops
19:08:07 [hazmat]
.unixtime
19:08:07 [rzolf]
.babel languages
19:08:07 [DavesCreature]
1011813007.73
19:08:09 [DavesCreature]
languages: german (de), english (en), spanish (es), french (fr), italian (it), portuguese (pt)
19:08:09 [DavesCreature]
translation methods: de-en, de-fr, en-de, en-es, en-fr, en-it, en-pt, es-en, fr-de, fr-en, it-en, pt-en
19:08:12 [hazmat]
.weather ORF
19:08:13 [DavesCreature]
no weather stations found for ORF
19:08:26 [hazmat]
.weather new york city, ny
19:08:26 [rzolf]
.babel en-fr "i enjoy ham"
19:08:26 [DavesCreature]
no weather stations found for new york city, ny
19:08:27 [DavesCreature]
" j'apprécie le jambon "
19:08:35 [hazmat]
.weather pasadena, ca
19:08:35 [DavesCreature]
no weather stations found for pasadena, ca
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.weather boca raton, fl
19:08:46 [DavesCreature]
no weather stations found for boca raton, fl
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.excuse
19:08:51 [DavesCreature]
hazmat, plumber mistook routing panel for decorative wall fixture
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.excuse
19:09:08 [DavesCreature]
hazmat, network down, ip packets delivered via ups
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.excuse
19:09:08 [DavesCreature]
hazmat, because of network lag due to too many people playing deathmatch
19:09:11 [rzolf]
.babel en-fr "i would like to enjoy ham with borkware"
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.babel FLL
19:09:37 [DavesCreature]
FLL is not a valid translation method. type '.babel languages' to see possible permutations.
19:09:39 [rzolf]
er
19:09:41 [hazmat]
.babel en-fr i want to spell deathmatch
19:09:42 [DavesCreature]
je veux orthographier le deathmatch
19:09:42 [rzolf]
.weather FLL
19:09:42 [DavesCreature]
no weather stations found for FLL
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.weather PBI
19:09:51 [DavesCreature]
no weather stations found for PBI
19:10:02 [hazmat]
you have to hook it up the datasources perhaps.
19:10:08 [davb]
maybe...
19:10:15 [hazmat]
davb: thanks for pringing the creature around
19:10:19 [rzolf]
wow.
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s/p/b
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must ... avoid
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.whois designexperience.org
19:10:50 [DavesCreature]
NO MATCH: This domain is available!
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.whois arsdigita.com
19:11:00 [DavesCreature]
ARSDIGITA.COM registered to nobody expires on 25-Jan-2003
19:11:06 [hazmat]
.whois openacs.org
19:11:07 [DavesCreature]
OPENACS.ORG registered to nobody expires on rk Solutions' WHOIS database is provided by Network
19:11:37 [rzolf]
how do you turn a BOOLEAN in postgres into a string within a select?
19:11:43 [davb]
sure, I could so something useful :)
19:11:45 [rzolf]
is there a to_char() method for booleans
19:12:10 [rzolf]
what should be done, is davs creature should be turned into a gigantic infobank of openacs trivia
19:12:21 [rzolf]
_that_ would be useful.
19:12:32 [davb]
sure. have ti search the bboards etc...
19:12:40 [markd2]
and irc logs
19:12:48 [rzolf]
have it forward messages directly to donB's pager.
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etc.
19:12:52 [davb]
I just downloaded it and type python creature.py :)
19:13:02 [rzolf]
but anyway, in postgres...
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.google boolean postgresql
19:13:36 [DavesCreature]
boolean postgresql: http://stage.linuxports.com/projects/postgres/book1.htm
19:13:45 [rzolf]
heh
19:17:10 [davb]
try the text function text(value)
19:18:04 [davb]
oops http://www.postgresql.org/idocs/index.php?datatype-boolean.html
19:18:13 [davb]
Values of the boolean type cannot be cast directly to other types (e.g., CAST (boolval AS integer) does not work). This can be accomplished using the CASE expression: CASE WHEN boolval THEN 'value if true' ELSE 'value if false' END.
19:19:45 [rzolf]
argh
19:20:18 [rzolf]
if you select from a boolean column in openacs, what does opneacs return?
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* rzolf lames.
19:23:08 [rzolf]
wow...it wasn't that my select was returning nothing. it was that i wasn't printing the variable.
19:23:12 [rzolf]
so...nevermind. ;-)
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ooZ
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.when did davb
19:24:37 [DavesCreature]
there is no user called davb
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hmmm
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.when did rzolf
19:24:53 [DavesCreature]
there is no user called rzolf
19:25:23 [rzolf]
ok. #python is utterly useless.
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.seen davb
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davb seen in #openacs saying: [ .seen davb ] ~ ago
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.seen davb
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davb seen in #openacs saying: [ .seen davb ] ~ 27 min(s) 12 sec(s) ago
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.seen vinod
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hazmat: no match found: vinod
19:53:43 [hazmat]
strange
20:18:55 [ola]
grr! I paste a text into vim that I cut from emacs and it's a complete mess. I think tabs are interpreted as newlines or something...
20:19:27 [markd2]
weird
20:20:10 [ola]
yes
20:23:57 [markd2]
could it be a newline issue?
20:24:06 [markd2]
emacs is giving you /n, and vim wants /r/n ?
20:27:44 [ola]
probably. how can I tell, or change the behaviour?
20:29:12 [markd2]
I think emacs can be told to change its mode
20:29:28 [markd2]
at the bottom of your emacs buffer in the status line, does it have anything interesting
20:29:31 [markd2]
like 'dos mode' or something
20:30:14 [ola]
it says (Text)
20:31:13 [markd2]
a quick 'apropos' search in emacs doesn't turn up anything interesting
20:31:42 [davb]
ola: are you in X?
20:33:49 [ola]
davb: I'n in X on RedHat on one machine trying to copy a text into a ssh-xterm-vim-debian session from my debian box. ;-)
20:34:58 [ola]
did that make any sense at all?
20:35:18 [davb]
yes
20:35:52 [davb]
ok. I suspect some sort of X server/window manager/xterm wackiness, but I can't be more helpful
20:38:39 [ola]
ok, thanks. before when I used woody I was able to paste into vi but not vim (!?) but in sid both vi and vim seems to lead to vim.
20:40:04 [ola]
but debian is very easy to update...
20:40:08 [ola]
lol
20:41:43 [ola]
debian with RedHat's installer, or RedHat with apt-get would be nice.
20:44:49 [davb]
apt-get install emacs21?
20:44:51 [davb]
:)
20:45:15 [davb]
Weird.
20:45:51 [davb]
Hopefully the will adopt the Progeny installer for Debian. It was really nice.
20:48:31 [davb]
I found this totally unrelated page:
20:48:33 [davb]
http://vergil.chemistry.gatech.edu/~park/dell.html
20:48:33 [chump]
W: http://vergil.chemistry.gatech.edu/~park/dell.html from davb
20:48:51 [davb]
W:|Debian/GNU Linux and the Dell Inspiron 8000/8100
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titled item W
20:51:35 [ola]
cool. I almost bought an Inspiron 4100 last week but had second thoughts
20:53:08 [markd2]
3 more to go
20:53:16 [ola]
heh
20:54:11 [ola]
after Z comes Å, Ä Ö...
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[Information Générale] Salut à tous. Veuillez noter que ce réseau n'a pas pour but de servir de terrain d'essai "grandeur nature" pour des bots, en particuliers ceux utilisant des machines Windows piratées ... Merci.
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bbl
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http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/webservices/2002/01/18/brewster.html
22:43:38 [chump]
X: http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/webservices/2002/01/18/brewster.html from markd2
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X:| How the Wayback Machine Works
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titled item X
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hi talli
23:57:26 [talli]
hey davb