00:15:40 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 00:18:01 davb has quit (Client Quit) 00:51:05 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:01:27 hmmm... I am getting closer to running xena/thecreature 01:01:40 actually it works, I just can't get it to join this channel :) 01:02:08 tav (~tav@host217-34-75-191.in-addr.btopenworld.com) has joined #OpenACS 01:02:12 davb? 01:02:15 hello tav 01:02:17 hi :) 01:02:19 hi 01:02:34 i noticed you were playing arund with creature 01:02:53 yep. 01:03:31 how'd you find out about it? 01:03:47 hazmat tipped me off :) 01:04:50 luckily I know nothing about python. 01:09:06 ah 01:09:07 vinod has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:09:22 but I am learning quick. 01:09:29 python's cool 01:11:26 hmmm. I can't seem to get it to join OPN. does it matter that I am already on? 01:12:54 nm. I figured it out. 01:13:40 DavesCreature (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:13:47 cool 01:14:25 what is creature? 01:14:35 a superbot 01:14:47 uhoh 01:14:54 also the program I will learn python on :) 01:14:55 hellbent on world domination? 01:15:04 I am not sure... 01:18:01 DavesCreature: c2f 0 01:18:05 hmmm 01:18:55 c2f 01:20:36 DavesCreature, c2f 01:23:48 .c2f 0 01:23:49 0.0°C = 32.0°F 01:24:01 .google openacs 01:24:03 openacs: http://www.openacs.org 01:26:38 ah . 01:26:42 thanks! 01:28:29 .wn help 01:28:29 help defined as: 01:28:31 - n 1: the activity of contributing to the fulfillment of a need or furtherance of an effort or purpose: "he gave me an assist with the housework"; "could not walk without assistance"; "rescue party went to their aid"; "offered his help in unloading" [syn: {aid}, {assist}, {assistance}, {helping}] 01:28:31 - 2: a person who contributes to the fulfillment of a need or furtherance of an effort or purpose; "my invaluable assistant"; "they hired additional help to finish the work" [syn: {assistant}, {helper}, {supporter}] 01:28:32 - 3: a resource: "visual aids in teaching"; "economic assistance to depressed areas" [syn: {aid}, {assistance}] 01:28:33 - 4: a means of serving; "of no avail"; "there's no help for it" [syn: {avail}, {service}] 01:28:47 * davb fills the log with junk 01:29:29 .isotime 01:29:29 2002-01-19T01:31:17.255063Z 01:33:17 excellent creature is logging the channel 01:37:18 Spork has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01:38:14 DavesCreature has quit () 01:38:27 bbl. 01:38:31 tav: thanks. 01:38:40 my pleasure 01:38:49 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:39:01 gnl-k (somebody@107-BAR2-X94.libre.retevision.es) has joined #OpenACS 01:39:08 gnl-k has left #OpenACS 01:42:26 well, hazmat knows where to find me if you need me 01:42:29 tav has left #OpenACS 02:00:07 alright, i've had it. 02:00:23 hey, no one is around but me & the bots. How can I rant and rave? 03:39:15 docwolf has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 04:57:41 talli (talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 05:23:55 talli_ (talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 05:23:55 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13:38:41 Psychephylax (proxy@ool-18bd7775.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 13:38:49 waaay too early :-) 13:49:54 davb (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-239.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:52:48 djg (~dirk@212.84.246.68) has joined #openacs 13:57:11 http://www.crystalvisions.com/compactkeyboards.htm 13:57:12 A: http://www.crystalvisions.com/compactkeyboards.htm from davb 13:57:26 A:|Small (really small) mechanical switch keyboards 13:57:27 titled item A 13:58:56 Eh? 13:59:58 bah 14:00:01 Must go to work 14:00:04 bbl :-( 14:00:11 sorry :( 14:02:42 http://www.nmbtech.com/products/kbrds/rt8200w.html 14:02:42 B: http://www.nmbtech.com/products/kbrds/rt8200w.html from davb 14:02:51 B:|Full size Mechanical Keyboards 14:02:51 titled item B 14:03:17 B: I would sitck with my collection of IBM keyboards I think, unless I find one without a numeric keypad 14:03:18 commented item B 15:03:50 til (~tils@194-208-073-068.TELE.NET) has joined #openacs 15:22:50 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.5 [Mozilla rv:0.9.7/20011221]") 16:04:32 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 16:51:07 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-21-207-214.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 17:20:26 you guys see the rumor about aol buying redhat? 17:20:33 woah... 17:20:58 check slashdot 17:21:28 http://www.washtech.com/news/media/14759-1.html 17:21:29 C: http://www.washtech.com/news/media/14759-1.html from talli_ 17:22:23 wow. 17:22:34 I tend not to look for reliable news at slashdot :) 17:22:45 since redhat has linux and PG, and aol has AOLserver 17:22:49 this would be very interesting. 17:22:58 maybe the OACS should change it's name to "You've Got Mail" 17:23:00 heh. lets sell OpenACS to them :) 17:23:45 But they won't own Linux or PG... just contribute which should be good. 17:24:05 i think aol could care less about pg 17:24:36 It would be very interesting to see how much they would change RedHat if it happened. 17:24:48 they just want a large company that is already established with linux so they can run desktops, servers, set top boxes, etc. etc. 17:25:10 all so they can own the channels with which their massive content empire is distributed 17:25:18 MS and AOL-TW are converging 17:25:25 MS wants to get into content 17:25:30 yeah. 17:25:31 AOL-TW seems to want to get into software 17:25:34 the evil factor 17:25:43 pretty much 17:25:52 anyway, why do they need redhat though? its free. they can just download an stuff in in the boxes anyway. 17:26:19 because redhat is already established all over the world 17:26:50 for instance, redhat already has deals with ibm and dell 17:26:59 Ok. 17:27:02 if they buy redhat, they can leverage those contacts 17:27:18 and dell will offer AOL OS 17:27:37 interesting.... 17:28:03 they also don't have to worry about building a software company since they redhat already has one in place 17:28:11 Maybe good, maybe bad. Depends on whether they give back. 17:28:17 Kinda an Apple deal. 17:28:24 actually they HAVE to give back with linux 17:28:37 redhat has the infrastructure for distribution, tech support etc. 17:28:51 well, we're a community that is familiar with AOL's approach to OSS 17:29:02 AOL is a big company. 17:29:06 but more importantly, redhat is quite committed to open source and the GPL 17:29:23 also they OWN AOLserver... so they can do what they want. 17:52:36 til has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18:08:46 I installed hundreds of development packages to try to compile a little image catalog program, and it still doesn't work. 18:08:59 linux is still a pain for anything related to graphics 18:22:08 didn't you say that you got an iMac? 18:22:11 that true? 18:22:53 not quit. 18:23:03 If I had $1899, I would have an imac :) 18:23:23 yeah, i noticed they were expensive 18:23:43 i was thinking about getting the lower end one, which is still *very* nice 18:23:56 20 GB hd, 700 mhz g4, osX 18:23:59 that still rocks 18:24:14 but the dvd-writable is what makes the mouth water... 18:24:31 yes it is. 18:24:52 of course, how often does one make dvds? 18:24:59 do you make movies of your family? 18:25:10 not really. we have a video camera though. 18:25:42 how old are your kids? 18:26:13 3, 8 18:26:45 ah, still babies. 18:33:35 argh: I still have a weird intermittent email problem. Some people get emails to me bounced back. Of course, not one person can say WHY? I don't know anyone who can read an error message. 18:33:38 It didn't work. 18:33:39 why? 18:33:52 There was some message "error" or something. 18:33:53 etc... 18:38:23 davb: i have a question for you... 18:39:00 how does the current cataloguing system work in the oacs, and how were you envisioning it might change? 18:39:53 catergories? 18:41:50 yeah, sorry categories 18:42:07 are categories built in a relational fashion? 18:42:12 RIght now there is a content-repository api that supports keyword. you can have an unlimited number of keywords, each keyword can have child keywords so you can build a tree of categories. 18:42:32 any item in the CR can be assigned to any keyword (or rather any keword can be assigned to the item in the CR) 18:42:44 an item can be assigned to any number of keywords. 18:43:07 there are some nice APIs that allow you to search for items in a category or any category undernearth it. 18:43:27 also you can search in the other direction. 18:43:33 basically that is it. 18:43:45 and how do you think it should change? 18:44:13 I think the packages should use it :) 18:44:29 Also I like the idea of package scoped keywords, but I am not sure how it would work. 18:44:50 meaning, rather than just being in the CR it should be system wide? 18:45:01 also the keywords probably should be on acs-objects (system-wide) 18:45:14 but actually none of the packages use the keywords except CMS. 18:45:24 bboard, wp all have their own keyword tables. 18:45:29 that is a useless mess. 18:45:47 ah, ok 18:46:15 I am working on a basic admin UI to work with the keywords, build the list of keywords and assign items to them. 18:46:18 the reason i ask is that i am preparing (another) proposal that asks specifically for a "thesaurus catalogue" that really is just a request for keyword functionality 18:46:23 the UI is in the CMS. 18:46:34 oh, great! 18:46:37 Ok. its in there, just no UI or higher level API. 18:46:42 great that you're working there 18:46:56 neophytos was working on adding it to search also (for PG anyway) 18:47:02 nice 18:47:16 basically, there is a list of keywords and a map of which keywords are assigned to which items. 18:47:25 luke was installing sitewide search and was impressed with neophytos' work 18:47:41 yes, that's precisely what they are looking for 18:49:39 thanks for your hepl 18:49:50 np. 18:50:14 I wish I had more time and more skills :) I see alot of things I would like to add :) 18:50:38 BTW, OpenACS should have RSS in and out functionality soon. RIght now it can only ouput. 18:52:01 that's great 19:01:18 talli_: is it ok to email luke with questions about ETP? It is doing some weird things in my install. 19:02:44 yes, absolutely! 19:04:01 ok. I'll send him the details. thanks 19:21:06 dlk (dlk@as2-1-4.va.g.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 19:25:35 hey 19:26:11 no cracks about kriston allowed... since i've made The Shocking Discovery 19:36:35 ok, sorry 19:36:37 :) 19:42:57 haha 19:43:06 i discovered that we went to college together 19:43:09 totally shocking 19:43:48 well you didn't hang out with him (i hope) so I guess we can let it slide... 19:44:43 dlk is now known as devil 19:44:47 devil is now known as dlk 19:44:52 heh 20:18:16 pretty cool that osmeone built an ns_ldap for aolserver 21:11:12 til (~tils@chello212186154048.15.vie.surfer.at) has joined #openacs 21:12:01 any acs-workflow wizards around? 21:12:19 or someone who at least used it before? 21:19:50 one time I built graphviz and stuck it on there, it worked 21:21:54 do you know how the guards have to be used, to build transitions that present a decision to the user? 21:22:14 never got into it near that far 21:22:41 like the "is the description complete?" in ticket tracker 21:22:44 all I wanted to do was show existing workflows 21:23:08 and it did that 23:22:16 dlk has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 23:37:41 til has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))