IRC log of openacs on 2002-01-19

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01:01:27 [davb]
hmmm... I am getting closer to running xena/thecreature
01:01:40 [davb]
actually it works, I just can't get it to join this channel :)
01:02:08 [tav]
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01:02:12 [tav]
davb?
01:02:15 [davb]
hello tav
01:02:17 [davb]
hi :)
01:02:19 [tav]
hi
01:02:34 [tav]
i noticed you were playing arund with creature
01:02:53 [davb]
yep.
01:03:31 [tav]
how'd you find out about it?
01:03:47 [davb]
hazmat tipped me off :)
01:04:50 [davb]
luckily I know nothing about python.
01:09:06 [tav]
ah
01:09:07 [vinod]
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01:09:22 [davb]
but I am learning quick.
01:09:29 [tav]
python's cool
01:11:26 [davb]
hmmm. I can't seem to get it to join OPN. does it matter that I am already on?
01:12:54 [davb]
nm. I figured it out.
01:13:40 [DavesCreature]
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01:13:47 [davb]
cool
01:14:25 [docwolf]
what is creature?
01:14:35 [davb]
a superbot
01:14:47 [docwolf]
uhoh
01:14:54 [davb]
also the program I will learn python on :)
01:14:55 [docwolf]
hellbent on world domination?
01:15:04 [davb]
I am not sure...
01:18:01 [davb]
DavesCreature: c2f 0
01:18:05 [davb]
hmmm
01:18:55 [davb]
c2f
01:20:36 [davb]
DavesCreature, c2f
01:23:48 [tav]
.c2f 0
01:23:49 [DavesCreature]
0.0°C = 32.0°F
01:24:01 [tav]
.google openacs
01:24:03 [DavesCreature]
openacs: http://www.openacs.org
01:26:38 [davb]
ah .
01:26:42 [davb]
thanks!
01:28:29 [davb]
.wn help
01:28:29 [DavesCreature]
help defined as:
01:28:31 [DavesCreature]
- n 1: the activity of contributing to the fulfillment of a need or furtherance of an effort or purpose: "he gave me an assist with the housework"; "could not walk without assistance"; "rescue party went to their aid"; "offered his help in unloading" [syn: {aid}, {assist}, {assistance}, {helping}]
01:28:31 [DavesCreature]
- 2: a person who contributes to the fulfillment of a need or furtherance of an effort or purpose; "my invaluable assistant"; "they hired additional help to finish the work" [syn: {assistant}, {helper}, {supporter}]
01:28:32 [DavesCreature]
- 3: a resource: "visual aids in teaching"; "economic assistance to depressed areas" [syn: {aid}, {assistance}]
01:28:33 [DavesCreature]
- 4: a means of serving; "of no avail"; "there's no help for it" [syn: {avail}, {service}]
01:28:47 [davb]
* davb fills the log with junk
01:29:29 [davb]
.isotime
01:29:29 [DavesCreature]
2002-01-19T01:31:17.255063Z
01:33:17 [davb]
excellent creature is logging the channel
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01:38:27 [davb]
bbl.
01:38:31 [davb]
tav: thanks.
01:38:40 [tav]
my pleasure
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01:42:26 [tav]
well, hazmat knows where to find me if you need me
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02:00:07 [docwolf]
alright, i've had it.
02:00:23 [docwolf]
hey, no one is around but me & the bots. How can I rant and rave?
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13:38:49 [Psychephylax]
waaay too early :-)
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13:57:11 [davb]
http://www.crystalvisions.com/compactkeyboards.htm
13:57:12 [chump]
A: http://www.crystalvisions.com/compactkeyboards.htm from davb
13:57:26 [davb]
A:|Small (really small) mechanical switch keyboards
13:57:27 [chump]
titled item A
13:58:56 [Psychephylax]
Eh?
13:59:58 [Psychephylax]
bah
14:00:01 [Psychephylax]
Must go to work
14:00:04 [Psychephylax]
bbl :-(
14:00:11 [davb]
sorry :(
14:02:42 [davb]
http://www.nmbtech.com/products/kbrds/rt8200w.html
14:02:42 [chump]
B: http://www.nmbtech.com/products/kbrds/rt8200w.html from davb
14:02:51 [davb]
B:|Full size Mechanical Keyboards
14:02:51 [chump]
titled item B
14:03:17 [davb]
B: I would sitck with my collection of IBM keyboards I think, unless I find one without a numeric keypad
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commented item B
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17:20:26 [talli_]
you guys see the rumor about aol buying redhat?
17:20:33 [davb]
woah...
17:20:58 [talli_]
check slashdot
17:21:28 [talli_]
http://www.washtech.com/news/media/14759-1.html
17:21:29 [chump]
C: http://www.washtech.com/news/media/14759-1.html from talli_
17:22:23 [davb]
wow.
17:22:34 [davb]
I tend not to look for reliable news at slashdot :)
17:22:45 [talli_]
since redhat has linux and PG, and aol has AOLserver
17:22:49 [davb]
this would be very interesting.
17:22:58 [talli_]
maybe the OACS should change it's name to "You've Got Mail"
17:23:00 [davb]
heh. lets sell OpenACS to them :)
17:23:45 [davb]
But they won't own Linux or PG... just contribute which should be good.
17:24:05 [talli_]
i think aol could care less about pg
17:24:36 [davb]
It would be very interesting to see how much they would change RedHat if it happened.
17:24:48 [talli_]
they just want a large company that is already established with linux so they can run desktops, servers, set top boxes, etc. etc.
17:25:10 [talli_]
all so they can own the channels with which their massive content empire is distributed
17:25:18 [talli_]
MS and AOL-TW are converging
17:25:25 [talli_]
MS wants to get into content
17:25:30 [davb]
yeah.
17:25:31 [talli_]
AOL-TW seems to want to get into software
17:25:34 [davb]
the evil factor
17:25:43 [talli_]
pretty much
17:25:52 [davb]
anyway, why do they need redhat though? its free. they can just download an stuff in in the boxes anyway.
17:26:19 [talli_]
because redhat is already established all over the world
17:26:50 [talli_]
for instance, redhat already has deals with ibm and dell
17:26:59 [davb]
Ok.
17:27:02 [talli_]
if they buy redhat, they can leverage those contacts
17:27:18 [talli_]
and dell will offer AOL OS
17:27:37 [davb]
interesting....
17:28:03 [talli_]
they also don't have to worry about building a software company since they redhat already has one in place
17:28:11 [davb]
Maybe good, maybe bad. Depends on whether they give back.
17:28:17 [davb]
Kinda an Apple deal.
17:28:24 [davb]
actually they HAVE to give back with linux
17:28:37 [talli_]
redhat has the infrastructure for distribution, tech support etc.
17:28:51 [talli_]
well, we're a community that is familiar with AOL's approach to OSS
17:29:02 [davb]
AOL is a big company.
17:29:06 [talli_]
but more importantly, redhat is quite committed to open source and the GPL
17:29:23 [davb]
also they OWN AOLserver... so they can do what they want.
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18:08:46 [davb]
I installed hundreds of development packages to try to compile a little image catalog program, and it still doesn't work.
18:08:59 [davb]
linux is still a pain for anything related to graphics
18:22:08 [talli_]
didn't you say that you got an iMac?
18:22:11 [talli_]
that true?
18:22:53 [davb]
not quit.
18:23:03 [davb]
If I had $1899, I would have an imac :)
18:23:23 [talli_]
yeah, i noticed they were expensive
18:23:43 [talli_]
i was thinking about getting the lower end one, which is still *very* nice
18:23:56 [talli_]
20 GB hd, 700 mhz g4, osX
18:23:59 [talli_]
that still rocks
18:24:14 [talli_]
but the dvd-writable is what makes the mouth water...
18:24:31 [davb]
yes it is.
18:24:52 [talli_]
of course, how often does one make dvds?
18:24:59 [talli_]
do you make movies of your family?
18:25:10 [davb]
not really. we have a video camera though.
18:25:42 [talli_]
how old are your kids?
18:26:13 [davb]
3, 8
18:26:45 [talli_]
ah, still babies.
18:33:35 [davb]
argh: I still have a weird intermittent email problem. Some people get emails to me bounced back. Of course, not one person can say WHY? I don't know anyone who can read an error message.
18:33:38 [davb]
It didn't work.
18:33:39 [davb]
why?
18:33:52 [davb]
There was some message "error" or something.
18:33:53 [davb]
etc...
18:38:23 [talli_]
davb: i have a question for you...
18:39:00 [talli_]
how does the current cataloguing system work in the oacs, and how were you envisioning it might change?
18:39:53 [davb]
catergories?
18:41:50 [talli_]
yeah, sorry categories
18:42:07 [talli_]
are categories built in a relational fashion?
18:42:12 [davb]
RIght now there is a content-repository api that supports keyword. you can have an unlimited number of keywords, each keyword can have child keywords so you can build a tree of categories.
18:42:32 [davb]
any item in the CR can be assigned to any keyword (or rather any keword can be assigned to the item in the CR)
18:42:44 [davb]
an item can be assigned to any number of keywords.
18:43:07 [davb]
there are some nice APIs that allow you to search for items in a category or any category undernearth it.
18:43:27 [davb]
also you can search in the other direction.
18:43:33 [davb]
basically that is it.
18:43:45 [talli_]
and how do you think it should change?
18:44:13 [davb]
I think the packages should use it :)
18:44:29 [davb]
Also I like the idea of package scoped keywords, but I am not sure how it would work.
18:44:50 [talli_]
meaning, rather than just being in the CR it should be system wide?
18:45:01 [davb]
also the keywords probably should be on acs-objects (system-wide)
18:45:14 [davb]
but actually none of the packages use the keywords except CMS.
18:45:24 [davb]
bboard, wp all have their own keyword tables.
18:45:29 [davb]
that is a useless mess.
18:45:47 [talli_]
ah, ok
18:46:15 [davb]
I am working on a basic admin UI to work with the keywords, build the list of keywords and assign items to them.
18:46:18 [talli_]
the reason i ask is that i am preparing (another) proposal that asks specifically for a "thesaurus catalogue" that really is just a request for keyword functionality
18:46:23 [davb]
the UI is in the CMS.
18:46:34 [talli_]
oh, great!
18:46:37 [davb]
Ok. its in there, just no UI or higher level API.
18:46:42 [talli_]
great that you're working there
18:46:56 [davb]
neophytos was working on adding it to search also (for PG anyway)
18:47:02 [talli_]
nice
18:47:16 [davb]
basically, there is a list of keywords and a map of which keywords are assigned to which items.
18:47:25 [talli_]
luke was installing sitewide search and was impressed with neophytos' work
18:47:41 [talli_]
yes, that's precisely what they are looking for
18:49:39 [talli_]
thanks for your hepl
18:49:50 [davb]
np.
18:50:14 [davb]
I wish I had more time and more skills :) I see alot of things I would like to add :)
18:50:38 [davb]
BTW, OpenACS should have RSS in and out functionality soon. RIght now it can only ouput.
18:52:01 [talli_]
that's great
19:01:18 [davb]
talli_: is it ok to email luke with questions about ETP? It is doing some weird things in my install.
19:02:44 [talli_]
yes, absolutely!
19:04:01 [davb]
ok. I'll send him the details. thanks
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19:25:35 [docwolf]
hey
19:26:11 [docwolf]
no cracks about kriston allowed... since i've made The Shocking Discovery
19:36:35 [davb]
ok, sorry
19:36:37 [davb]
:)
19:42:57 [docwolf]
haha
19:43:06 [docwolf]
i discovered that we went to college together
19:43:09 [docwolf]
totally shocking
19:43:48 [davb]
well you didn't hang out with him (i hope) so I guess we can let it slide...
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19:44:52 [docwolf]
heh
20:18:16 [talli_]
pretty cool that osmeone built an ns_ldap for aolserver
21:11:12 [til]
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21:12:01 [til]
any acs-workflow wizards around?
21:12:19 [til]
or someone who at least used it before?
21:19:50 [jim]
one time I built graphviz and stuck it on there, it worked
21:21:54 [til]
do you know how the guards have to be used, to build transitions that present a decision to the user?
21:22:14 [jim]
never got into it near that far
21:22:41 [til]
like the "is the description complete?" in ticket tracker
21:22:44 [jim]
all I wanted to do was show existing workflows
21:23:08 [jim]
and it did that
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