IRC log of openacs on 2002-01-18

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beattiek: the best thing that cooper says in that interview is that customers and end users are incapable of visualizing the software or end-product
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00:48:17 [markd2]
on the other hand, the rapid cycle of XP allows folks to 'binary search' their way to the system they think they want
00:52:15 [talli]
markd2: that's true, but cooper's point about programmers not wanting to scrap their code if the client changes their mind all of a sudden is good
00:52:35 [talli]
cooper pointed out that his point was not exclusive of XP, which i think is very good
00:52:46 [talli]
the two can, and probably should, work together
00:52:49 [markd2]
yeah
00:53:21 [markd2]
I'm always leery of the "change the organization" tenants
00:53:41 [markd2]
since that usually involves the programmign team, the customers, and then their respective layers of management
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01:00:22 [talli]
yeah, you're right that it usually includes mangement, the customer, etc.
01:00:36 [talli]
but his point is that really you only need one point person to deal with everyone
01:00:46 [talli]
all those people can more or less be totally separate from one another
01:01:11 [MysticOne]
[GlobalNotice] Hey all, just letting you know we're working on this problem. Not sure exactly what the deal is, though it appears a massive clone attack transpired with #debian as its epicenter. We're doing our best to get the network's stability back. More updates as new information is available.
01:01:11 [markd2]
yeah
01:01:26 [vinod]
* vinod is counting how many times talli says 'point'
01:01:37 [vinod]
since i can't add anything valuable to the conversation
01:01:54 [markd2]
you do have a point there
01:02:49 [vinod]
i blame everything on the pointy-haired boss-types
01:03:05 [markd2]
* markd2 nods in violent agreement
01:04:28 [talli]
* talli sticks vinod's pointy head with a pointy pencil to pointedly point out how he's missing the point
01:04:54 [vinod]
my pointer counter just exploded
01:05:04 [markd2]
hey - your pointer's dangling
01:05:17 [vinod]
ack - i knew this would come back to haunt me
01:05:21 [vinod]
* vinod is scared of pointers
01:05:37 [talli]
you were aware of its pointential?
01:05:42 [vinod]
lol
01:15:31 [MysticOne]
[GlobalNotice] Okay, it looks like it's under control and most everything has been restored. We apologize for the violent interruption in service. Thank you for using the Open Projects Network. If any new information comes up, we'll keep everyone posted. Thank you.
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02:27:27 [davb]
argh
02:27:36 [davb]
my window is off the top of the screen again.
02:28:03 [davb]
aah
02:28:12 [davb]
shift-leftclick on the border moves.
02:28:35 [davb]
* davb looks at the topic and says "woah, what did I miss this time?"
02:31:26 [vinod]
heh - nothing more strange than usual :-)
02:31:53 [davb]
I am going to try running Radio Userland under wine.
02:33:31 [vinod]
cool. i should try it under mol (mac-on-linux), but i've been to lazy to set it up
02:34:43 [davb]
the new one is supposed to be alot better. it wouldn't work for me under windows, they just released 8.01 so hopefully its fixed.
02:35:04 [davb]
I hacked the XMLRPC interface onto my weblog way back.
02:35:15 [davb]
this time I will try to hook it into ETP or something.
02:35:38 [davb]
also its only free for 30 days this time...
02:38:56 [hazmat]
davb: what do you think of radio userland?
02:45:20 [davb]
the old one was interesting, but needed alot of work. I am trying out 8.0
02:45:33 [davb]
Reportedly it is much more polished and reliable.
02:45:50 [davb]
I like it for the writing/outliner part and the fact that its scriptable.
02:46:56 [davb]
anyone ever setup wine? I am using the winesetup utility...
02:47:15 [markd2]
I have a friend across the creek that makes his own wine
02:47:31 [vinod]
i whine alot too
02:47:44 [davb]
I knew I could count on you guys to help :)
02:48:08 [docwolf]
*did someone say wine?*
02:48:08 [docwolf]
oh, that wine.
02:48:12 [docwolf]
davb: which version are you using? codeweavers or an RPM?
02:48:27 [davb]
apt-get install wine :)
02:48:32 [davb]
i'll check
02:49:51 [davb]
working...
02:50:12 [davb]
argh... it can't find my browser... hmmm
02:51:52 [davb]
wine version 0.0.20011226-1
02:56:23 [davb]
cool its running
02:56:34 [docwolf]
excellent
02:59:47 [markd2]
* markd2 wines and runs to the corner
03:00:44 [davb]
I can get to the web interface, but not that actual application :( I think its supposed to live in the systray, but my wine systray is infinitely small...
03:06:11 [davb]
also it did not run the user setup deal so I can sign up for my free space at radio.weblogs.com
03:08:42 [davb]
wait...
03:08:55 [davb]
aha, i'm in!
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03:09:40 [davb]
http://radio.weblogs.com/0101790/
03:09:40 [chump]
A: http://radio.weblogs.com/0101790/ from davb
03:09:48 [davb]
A:|Davb's Radio Weblog
03:09:48 [chump]
titled item A
03:10:12 [davb]
http://radio.userland.com/discuss/msgReader$7581
03:10:12 [chump]
B: http://radio.userland.com/discuss/msgReader$7581 from davb
03:10:20 [davb]
B:|Radio Userland and Wine
03:10:20 [chump]
titled item B
03:12:33 [davb]
interesting
03:12:50 [davb]
I installed on my wife's windows machine and I get the same error I got on my windows install.
03:12:55 [davb]
Under Wine, no errors :)
03:15:24 [vinod]
windows senses you're trying to use a non-msft product :-)
03:18:26 [davb]
heh
03:18:42 [davb]
I think its because I had version 7 on there and its screwed up now :(
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03:24:03 [davb]
aha, I had some non-official files in the old install that it did not uninstall that were screwing it up.
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03:33:34 [davb]
hmmm. I posted to the weblog, but nothing happened...
03:39:43 [davb]
well, i'll figure it out romorrow...
03:39:44 [davb]
bye
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05:27:12 [hazmat]
davb:?
05:27:19 [hazmat]
nope
05:35:36 [talli]
hey hazmat
05:35:47 [hazmat]
hi talli
05:35:49 [talli]
oh damn, it's still early for you
05:35:55 [talli]
it's late for me. still working though...
05:35:59 [talli]
how are you doing?
05:36:55 [hazmat]
bout check out for the nite, pretty relaxin, i took most of the day off.
05:37:05 [hazmat]
which isn't saying much when you work at home ;)
05:37:22 [talli]
:)
05:37:30 [hazmat]
hows that presentation coming?
05:37:30 [talli]
that's the prob with working from home...
05:37:34 [talli]
the commute is too easy
05:37:44 [talli]
and the bed is way too close
05:37:54 [hazmat]
well i actually have an office thats a 100 feet from my house. (rented apartment).
05:37:58 [talli]
the proposal is killing me.
05:38:06 [hazmat]
but its about the same thing.
05:38:12 [talli]
me thinks that this channel is really just about bitching about work.
05:38:15 [hazmat]
not going so well.
05:38:32 [talli]
no, going fine. i've just procrastinated on this proposal
05:39:55 [hazmat]
loggy, off
05:45:10 [talli]
chump, off
05:45:24 [talli]
chump doesn't work the same way :)
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13:38:36 [davb]
hi
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13:43:17 [davb]
http://www.steptwo.com.au/papers/kmc_evaluate/index.html
13:43:20 [chump]
C: http://www.steptwo.com.au/papers/kmc_evaluate/index.html from davb
13:43:28 [davb]
C:|How to Evaluate a CMS
13:43:35 [chump]
titled item C
13:44:44 [talli]
hey davb
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13:47:02 [davb]
or markd2
13:47:11 [markd2]
at yer soivice
13:47:42 [talli]
mornin' markd2
13:47:45 [davb]
anyone know where I can get the nssha docs? and is it appropriate to generate a hash to compare a file to see if it's changed?
13:48:20 [davb]
I think we did this before :)
13:48:29 [markd2]
for the former, I dunno
13:48:43 [markd2]
for the latter, probably, assuming it's not too expensive for what you're doing
13:50:38 [davb]
1 file, once an hour :)
13:50:55 [markd2]
go fer it
13:51:03 [davb]
thanks
13:51:04 [markd2]
might as well do md5 a couple of times just for fun :-)
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14:29:53 [Spork]
:-D
14:31:44 [Spork]
so sleepy
14:31:45 [Spork]
so so sleepy
14:32:13 [davb]
hi Spork
14:36:49 [Spork]
Hey it's my long lost friend Dave
14:37:02 [Spork]
* Spork thwaps© dave for good luck
14:37:22 [davb]
brb memory install...
14:38:17 [Spork]
Awww
14:38:17 [Spork]
dave forgot to install his memory
14:38:17 [Spork]
is that why he doesn't remember Spork? :-D
14:38:24 [Spork]
har har har
14:41:03 [rzolf]
http://www.heiferman.com/mcd
14:43:10 [chump]
D: http://www.heiferman.com/mcd from rzolf
14:45:23 [talli]
rzolf: you know that guy?
14:47:41 [talli]
whatta freak.
14:50:11 [talli]
seems like a decent guy. funny
14:50:26 [markd2]
and that guy at mcDonald's too
14:51:53 [docwolf]
what on earth
14:52:05 [docwolf]
what are these painful links rzolf is sending?
14:52:10 [rzolf]
i dont know that guy, some other guy forwarded me the link.
14:52:35 [markd2]
taco hell around here is hiring in the $6's/hr
14:52:53 [docwolf]
"interactive marketing frontiersman"
14:52:57 [rzolf]
i dislike taco bell.
14:52:57 [docwolf]
*shudder*
14:58:40 [docwolf]
but Arby's.. now that's a sandwich.
14:59:16 [markd2]
mmmm.. beef-like-substance and artificial cheddery-flavored style sause.
14:59:23 [markd2]
I love those things
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and it's not real sauce, but "sause"
15:00:24 [docwolf]
5 'roast beef' sandwiches for $5.. how can you go wrong?
15:00:39 [talli]
check out that dude's fake family.
15:03:03 [markd2]
that's almost as good as the 10 ramen for $1 at the Piggly-Wiggly in Conway
15:05:54 [talli]
docwolf: do you guys pick up the arby's sandwiches on your way to or back from the gym?
15:06:37 [docwolf]
before. the ladies are impressed by my good taste.
15:07:31 [rzolf]
i
15:07:47 [rzolf]
would like to change the topic of discussion to emerging p2p protocols.
15:08:05 [docwolf]
what does that have to do with roast beef?
15:08:28 [rzolf]
not sure but i could add it to my blog.
15:09:07 [rzolf]
"bla bla RSS/XML/RPC/P2P bla bla now I can download arby's commercials before they air"
15:09:07 [talli]
emerging p2p protocols really is just a fancy term for new kinds of cybersex, right?
15:09:26 [markd2]
humpUhumpMe
15:09:52 [rzolf]
i don't know. if all these blog people are really this excited about XML tags the world is doomed.
15:09:59 [rzolf]
or maybe just the internet is doomed.
15:10:08 [markd2]
heh
15:10:30 [markd2]
well, they've already fully explored the "current mood: hyper!" area of personal creativity
15:10:31 [talli]
i looked at the docs for radio userland
15:10:45 [markd2]
and there's only so many times you can redesign the html for your site
15:10:50 [talli]
i was amazed that it's a feature that you can syndicate your blog to other blogs
15:10:51 [markd2]
so bizarre little protocols are the next logical step
15:11:00 [rzolf]
yeah.
15:11:34 [rzolf]
all that blog stuff sort of hinges on the idea that there isn't already enough crap being spewed about on the int-er-net
15:11:46 [talli]
what kind of incestuous world do we live in that people want to publish the journal entries of of other people in their own journal?
15:11:58 [talli]
isn't weird enough that people publish their diaries online?
15:12:17 [talli]
uh, rzolf, the correct new term is InterWeb
15:12:57 [rzolf]
er.
15:13:05 [docwolf]
interweb *BAD*
15:13:13 [markd2]
the interweb superhighway
15:13:58 [talli]
when my dad was in grad school, he said he tried to buy his landlord's bicycle off of him.
15:14:19 [talli]
he was denied because his landlord said the bike was being saved for when they built highways for them
15:14:57 [talli]
similarly, i am saving my webcam blog for when the InterWeb goes 3d
15:15:25 [talli]
how's that for an image, huh guys?
15:15:36 [markd2]
talli webcam in 3d
15:15:40 [markd2]
* markd2 loses his arby's
15:16:29 [markd2]
I guess so long as it's not Hot XXX Physician-on-Physician Action!!!! it's ok
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16:15:51 [rzolf]
my bike has arrived.
16:17:35 [markd2]
wü hü!!
16:21:02 [rzolf]
* rzolf contemplates replacing uber-expensive brooks saddle that was stolen in berzerkley.
16:21:41 [markd2]
whoa. your cool saddle was stolen?
16:21:48 [rzolf]
:'-(
16:21:58 [rzolf]
yes, by a fellow bike nut.
16:22:13 [rzolf]
since, he didn't just steal the saddle. he actually switched out his saddle for mine.
16:22:32 [vinod]
wow, how courteous
16:22:37 [markd2]
at least he didn't just leave you a post to ride on
16:22:38 [rzolf]
so I started riding away, and then "whoa...this is some crummy schwinn saddle"
16:22:59 [rzolf]
yeah.
16:23:12 [rzolf]
there is some new dutch leather thing that sheldon brown(e) is selling.
16:23:27 [rzolf]
that i might want to try. but the brooks is nice.
16:23:45 [rzolf]
i might build out my fleet of bikes this year.
16:23:53 [rzolf]
...and go bankrupt in the process.
16:24:30 [vinod]
what bike did you get?
16:24:52 [rzolf]
i bought a gunnar fixed gear cyclocross bike 2 years ago.
16:24:58 [rzolf]
but my dad just shipped it to me.
16:25:19 [vinod]
cool
16:26:26 [rzolf]
i want to turn it into a "winter" bike and get a real track bike.
16:26:58 [rzolf]
but i also want to get a bmx bike and an amsterdam bike, and a many-geared touring bike.
16:27:14 [markd2]
tandem!
16:27:33 [rzolf]
i have a tandem already.
16:27:38 [rzolf]
actually i have 2 tandems. ;-)
16:27:41 [markd2]
whoa!
16:28:04 [rzolf]
one is a 1950s era schwinn 3-speed internal
16:28:20 [rzolf]
the other is some weird white-elephant brand MTB-style tandem that cost like $400.
16:29:25 [vinod]
* vinod thinks rzolf could sell all his bikes and retire to a nice island somewhere
16:29:36 [rzolf]
most of them are worth $0
16:29:52 [rzolf]
i wouldn't mind retiring to new zealand, after seeing LoTR
16:30:02 [markd2]
too much celtic music there
16:30:13 [vinod]
just finished reading fellowship of the rings, so i can go see the movie now
16:30:21 [rzolf]
heh. i'll have to admit i'm not big on the celtic culture.
16:30:55 [rzolf]
it was trendy amongst lefty minnesotans when i was in college (minnesota is a weird place)
16:31:06 [vinod]
haha
16:31:13 [rzolf]
and the whole time i was just thinking "wow, a culture more boring than scandinavian culture"
16:32:25 [rzolf]
i think it is because both scandinavians and the irish have a tendency towards alcoholism, but the irish have good beer, and the scandinavians have awful beer.
16:32:56 [rzolf]
so the MN scandis got jealous and co-opted the celtic stuff.
16:33:23 [rzolf]
the pogues are a good band though.
16:33:34 [rzolf]
* rzolf recently obtained coffee, entered into "random" mode.
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* vinod remembers his coffee is still sitting in the coffeemaker!
16:35:02 [rzolf]
* rzolf is on a bike nerding binge.
16:35:16 [rzolf]
bmx bike i want: http://www.brooklynmachineworks.com/bikes/images/crsr_orange.jpg
16:36:26 [rzolf]
amsterdam style bike:
16:36:29 [rzolf]
http://shop.kronancykel.se/artimages/herr_orange_350.gif
16:36:30 [chump]
E: http://shop.kronancykel.se/artimages/herr_orange_350.gif from rzolf
16:37:17 [vinod]
ooh - that one looks cool
16:37:32 [rzolf]
most of the bikes i saw in amsterdam were old piles of cra
16:37:33 [rzolf]
p
16:37:47 [rzolf]
but, there wre a few new ones of the "kronan" variety.
16:38:05 [rzolf]
they look really cool when decked out with the front frame
16:38:13 [rzolf]
and they are about $600
16:39:37 [rzolf]
ultrasweet touring bike:
16:39:40 [rzolf]
http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/general/atlarrive/atlantisside10.jpg
16:39:40 [chump]
F: http://www.rivendellbicycles.com/general/atlarrive/atlantisside10.jpg from rzolf
16:39:51 [rzolf]
now just need to find some uber bike snob track bike.
16:39:53 [rzolf]
;-)
16:40:00 [markd2]
biking on the roads around here is suicide :-(
16:40:24 [rzolf]
i'm guessing ehre too.
16:40:31 [rzolf]
so i might only go at like 4 in the morning
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(which is what i did in cambridge)
16:40:52 [markd2]
all the big steel trucks are out at 4
16:40:58 [rzolf]
ugh.
16:41:13 [rzolf]
the old drivers here are sort of terrifying.
16:41:20 [rzolf]
because they are all driving big huge boats
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and
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they can't see
16:41:37 [vinod]
i miss that about madison. there were bike lanes everywhere
16:41:40 [rzolf]
because florida apparently doesn't require an eye check when renewing license.
16:42:13 [rzolf]
* rzolf actually liked biking in brooklyn.
16:42:15 [rzolf]
* rzolf shrugs.
16:43:34 [rzolf]
i can no longer stand this crummy irc client.
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16:44:21 [markd2]
which irc client was it?
16:44:32 [vinod]
is this your bike? http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/fixed.html#gunnar
16:45:55 [rzolf]
yes
16:46:11 [rzolf]
i have straight-up ircII installed on OS X but it sucks.
16:46:28 [rzolf]
i guess it is ok if you have the right scripts installed, but i dont know which ones are good.
16:46:47 [markd2]
does BitchX work?
16:46:55 [rzolf]
BitchX works good "out of the box" but i can'tget it to compile on OS X
16:46:55 [markd2]
snak may be a little too girly-man for you
16:47:10 [markd2]
remember what kind of errors you were getting?
16:47:15 [rzolf]
i'm using BitchX now from the freeBSD machien.
16:47:20 [markd2]
machien!
16:47:30 [markd2]
or point me to the source and I'll spend 15 minutes looking at it
16:47:53 [rzolf]
www.bitchx.org i got the one with the latest version number.
16:48:03 [markd2]
qool
16:48:05 [rzolf]
also you need to get ncurses 5.2
16:48:10 [markd2]
o
16:48:15 [rzolf]
(but it doesnt work even if you have ncurses 5.2)
16:48:46 [rzolf]
confilicting types for 'tparm'
16:48:54 [rzolf]
previous declaration of 'tparm'
16:49:03 [markd2]
-75p3 or 1.018 ?
16:49:20 [rzolf]
1.018
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16:49:43 [rzolf]
other people have claimed success.
16:50:35 [rzolf]
what is a "hebrew process routine?"
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16:54:15 [markd2]
what's thec ontext?
16:54:47 [rzolf]
in the bitchX source there is a file called "hebrew.c" and the comments just say something like "hebrew process routine ... ported from windoze pardon the mess bla bla bla"
16:55:07 [markd2]
bizarre
16:55:17 [markd2]
I'm still downloading
17:01:05 [rzolf]
aim on OS X is flaky.
17:01:20 [markd2]
I don't like it
17:01:25 [markd2]
I can't shove the window under the menubar and hide the advert
17:01:45 [rzolf]
i might (shudder) get Kriston's mini tcl command line client.
17:02:03 [rzolf]
provided the blocking feature works.
17:02:05 [rzolf]
;-)
17:02:21 [rzolf]
my buddy list contains 3 people.
17:02:31 [rzolf]
any more than that, I can't get anything done.
17:05:50 [markd2]
productivity is overrated
17:06:13 [markd2]
and seeing as how the boss is goofs off around here too, you should be all set for easy street
17:08:31 [rzolf]
or i'll be set for mopping the gym and delivering papa johns.
17:08:47 [rzolf]
if i don't finish this system soon.
17:10:07 [markd2]
papa john papa john you rock me you rock me papa john papa john
17:10:28 [docwolf]
hehe
17:10:33 [docwolf]
thin crust ,please.
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17:17:24 [rzolf]
i will convince pair.com to offer mass postgresql databases.
17:20:12 [markd2]
or convince aupair.com
17:21:54 [rzolf]
heh
17:21:58 [rzolf]
pair rules
17:22:45 [rzolf]
maybe if dot.wolf implodes i can work at pair and live in a tent on the dot.bork estate.
17:23:28 [markd2]
just make sure Backhoe Bill doesn't confuse you for a "chicken"
17:28:12 [docwolf]
dot.wolf will never die
17:28:16 [rzolf]
heh
17:28:35 [docwolf]
i don't care if I have to sell viagra from the back of a clapped-out impala
17:28:47 [rzolf]
it will just transform into turkeyduckfortheholidays.com
17:28:53 [docwolf]
hehe
17:28:56 [rzolf]
we can sell pre-prepared turkey ducks for thanksgiving.
17:28:58 [docwolf]
what _is_ that thing?
17:29:31 [rzolf]
i don't know. are you sure FAU doesn't have some recluse genetic engineer working anonymously in some lab?
17:29:47 [rzolf]
it seems the ideal area to hatch some diabolical scheme.
17:30:27 [rzolf]
that being said, can turkeys mate with ducks? maybe its just some bastard offspring of bird love that was never meant to be.
17:30:56 [markd2]
take a picture of it
17:31:00 [rzolf]
i did.
17:31:06 [markd2]
ooh - online anywhere?
17:31:15 [rzolf]
no i better charge up iphotO
17:31:29 [rzolf]
but i gotta finish up this email to Pair.
17:40:51 [markd2]
* markd2 gives up on building BitchX
17:40:58 [markd2]
ncurses not compiling well or working
17:41:05 [markd2]
maybe beg a binary from #leet-wares
17:45:07 [rzolf]
womp-waaaa
17:45:21 [rzolf]
did ncurses compile?
17:45:26 [markd2]
sort of
17:45:32 [markd2]
the tests wouldn't run
17:45:42 [markd2]
couldn't figure out how term types of vt100 or ansi or dumb, so I gave up
17:45:56 [rzolf]
hm
17:46:00 [rzolf]
l4m3
17:46:10 [rzolf]
there is some weird flag you need, but i'm not sure if it changes anything.
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http://www.tranquileye.com/cyber/index.html
17:59:00 [chump]
G: http://www.tranquileye.com/cyber/index.html from talli
17:59:09 [talli]
cyber history collection
17:59:09 [talli]
and timeline @ tranquileye
18:03:57 [davb]
talli: personal weblogs linking to each other is a waste of time...but there are other uses for that type of software. Userland is pushing it for knowledge managament across an organization also.
18:04:20 [davb]
which is a little more interesting...
18:04:47 [talli]
davb: yeah, i figured
18:04:57 [hazmat]
hello
18:04:57 [talli]
that does sound very nice, actually. you're right
18:05:03 [talli]
wow. very nice, in fact
18:05:07 [davb]
heh
18:05:07 [hazmat]
got that irc bot link for you dave.
18:05:11 [davb]
thanks!
18:05:20 [hazmat]
http://cvs.espnow.com/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/creature/
18:05:21 [chump]
H: http://cvs.espnow.com/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/creature/ from hazmat
18:05:31 [davb]
talli: checkout peerkat.sf.net for an open source RSS desktop tool.
18:05:33 [hazmat]
hazmat: the creature, aka the swiss army knife of irc bots
18:05:45 [talli]
cehck otu that link i just posted, davb. it's a really interesting hacker timeline
18:05:54 [davb]
ok
18:08:17 [davb]
Maybe, i'll learn a little python from this bot.
18:17:10 [hazmat]
its actually rather ugly code by my aesthetics, but its very functional.
18:18:46 [davb]
ok, I won't look too much :)
18:21:46 [hazmat]
the same folks are also working on a distributed rdf system
18:21:49 [hazmat]
plexdev.org
18:22:22 [davb]
cool. I have heard of that frmn AaronSw
18:23:21 [hazmat]
wohoo, 14mb of new email ;)
18:23:41 [davb]
wow...
18:24:44 [hazmat]
kmail, still going strong with 2gb of archived email...
18:25:03 [davb]
incredible.
18:25:12 [davb]
I am too disorganzied to save that much mail.
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18:26:15 [hazmat]
to me its a personal knowledge base, i can use when i'm using various projects.
18:26:42 [hazmat]
i should try to index it with lucene and make it web searchable, at least for the os project emails
18:27:01 [davb]
right. I think thats a great idea.
18:27:06 [davb]
* davb looks up kmail
18:27:32 [hazmat]
kmail.kde.org
18:28:29 [davb]
where do you stash it all? in one giant folder, or do you have many folders?
18:28:30 [markd2]
how does it store the mailboxes?
18:28:31 [markd2]
mbox format?
18:28:40 [davb]
I use IMAP.
18:29:38 [hazmat]
many folders, many filters, mbox per folder (i think this is configurable though... not sure)
18:29:44 [davb]
it looks pretty good.
18:30:07 [davb]
I think I will try to customize mutt a little more and organzine some more imap folders.
18:30:19 [davb]
Is it fast? all the other X based clients I have seen are slow.
18:31:46 [hazmat]
kmail, is fast enough for me, opening an enormous folder takes a few secs, when it has to regenerate the index... but other than that its pretty nice. i switched after netscape mail blew up on me, and evo wasn't even close to stable.
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18:33:28 [davb]
cool. I will try it.
18:35:52 [hazmat]
if you're happy with mutt, there isn't much reason to switch unless you wanna a gui.
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19:19:49 [talli]
hey guys, how long would you say it takes to set up an OpenACS environment?
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(from OS install to base OACS install)
19:20:37 [markd2]
couple of hours?
19:20:49 [davb]
yeah, the OS is the longest part.
19:20:50 [markd2]
assuming that you've done it before
19:20:59 [davb]
or following vinod's guide.
19:21:03 [davb]
(try it :)
19:21:10 [davb]
or ask vinod.
19:21:55 [markd2]
Is the oracle version in good shape?
19:23:11 [davb]
yes.
19:23:37 [davb]
I think most of the sites that have been built with it are on Oracle.
19:23:49 [davb]
talli: that is for a PG install. Oracle add another hour at least.
19:25:26 [markd2]
do ACS4 packages (e.g. ecommerce) work with OACS4?
19:26:56 [talli]
we've actually built around 3 or 4 sites with OACS4 now
19:27:04 [talli]
nothing big, really
19:27:39 [talli]
the performance and scalability issue has blocked that, namely from moving everything to the new OACS site (which should have been live by now)
19:27:49 [talli]
but things seem to work reasonably nicely
19:28:11 [davb]
markd2: most of them work. Not sure about ecommerce.
19:30:48 [markd2]
cool
19:32:41 [davb]
markd2: Check the bboard, alot of posts about ecommerce status. I think people have gotten it to work with versign's payment service.
19:32:49 [markd2]
sweet
19:32:54 [davb]
gootta go covert data...
19:33:01 [markd2]
secret data :-)
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back
19:46:45 [davb]
noone listened to me again :(
19:46:48 [davb]
hi denshi
19:46:53 [denshi]
yo
19:50:43 [denshi]
what are you doing today, davb?
19:51:01 [talli]
yo denshi
19:51:14 [denshi]
yo^2
19:52:12 [davb]
installing RAM, babysitting (skipped a meeting for that :) and watching people convert data for the Access database from Heck.
19:52:56 [talli]
Heck? is that down by denshi in texas?
19:53:14 [davb]
close.
19:53:22 [denshi]
no, its a misspelling. davb, I think you're not swearing enough for an effective sysadmin.
19:53:50 [davb]
heh
19:53:59 [davb]
you are forgetting your dilbert :)
19:54:16 [davb]
wow. I found a page with screenshots of Diablo II and BG II running under wine.
19:54:28 [davb]
and half life! cool.
19:54:46 [davb]
looks like I won't get getting much work done this weekend. I need to help out testing wine :)
19:54:47 [denshi]
link it, plz. I need to move my BGII habit to linux.
19:55:24 [denshi]
I can crash win2k once an hour playing that.
19:55:25 [davb]
http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/screenshots.html
19:55:25 [chump]
I: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/screenshots.html from davb
19:55:44 [davb]
I:|screenshots of BG II, Half Life, Diablo II under wine
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titled item I
19:56:00 [davb]
I:[translated by Google|http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=fr&u=http://perso.wanadoo.fr/linux_wizard/screenshots.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dwine%2Bxfce%26hl%3Den]
19:56:00 [chump]
commented item I
19:56:58 [davb]
I am definitely going to try that later. I wonder if I need to update my Nvidia drivers...
19:57:37 [denshi]
oof. I'll need to fidget with dsound again.
19:58:36 [davb]
probably me too.
19:58:51 [talli]
you guys sould like /. c0d3rz
19:59:01 [talli]
gamers on linux
19:59:15 [talli]
for shame! davb, you have a child for chrissakes!
19:59:46 [davb]
hey, they sleep sometimes....
20:00:24 [davb]
http://lhl.linuxgames.com/howto/hammerton-0.2/book1.html
20:00:24 [chump]
J: http://lhl.linuxgames.com/howto/hammerton-0.2/book1.html from davb
20:02:02 [davb]
J:|Half-Life under Linux howto
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titled item J
20:02:55 [davb]
http://games.luv.asn.au/lsd/nvidia-mini-howto.html
20:02:55 [chump]
K: http://games.luv.asn.au/lsd/nvidia-mini-howto.html from davb
20:03:03 [davb]
K:Nvidia on debian mini-howto
20:03:04 [chump]
commented item K
20:07:31 [denshi]
ooh... nice links, davb
20:08:27 [denshi]
I need to put a stop to dual-booting. I want a one second cost of task switching between coding and leveling up Minsc.
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heh
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20:09:31 [davb]
I can't not dual-boot. I need Photoshop, Freehand, Dreamweaver. What I need is a Mac.
20:20:30 [davb]
heh
20:20:48 [davb]
yeah, but the people for occaisionally pay me do :)
20:21:59 [davb]
* davb ...must...buy....new....cpu
20:23:00 [davb]
1 Ghz AMD $75.00
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20:23:38 [davb]
wow.
20:23:44 [davb]
* davb discovers 'l' in Mutt
20:23:49 [davb]
howdy vinod
20:24:03 [vinod]
hey davb
20:24:10 [vinod]
what does 'l' do?
20:24:23 [davb]
limit, you can filter the messages.
20:24:47 [davb]
http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/lw-1999-12/lw-12-mutt_p.html
20:25:01 [davb]
I should probably read the documentation one of these days...
20:26:51 [vinod]
me too
20:28:05 [davb]
actually applying the advice in that artcle will increase your productivity quite a bit.
20:28:49 [davb]
I should get it running in windows so I can check my mail when I have to use it...
20:30:44 [davb]
wow 40GB IBM harddriver (refurb) free shipping $59
20:38:15 [davb]
also: Dual VGA output GeForce 2MX $84
20:39:32 [vinod]
* vinod thinks davb is about to go on a buying spree
20:44:00 [markd2]
better than another one of his shooting sprees
20:45:16 [davb]
woah, where did you hear that?
20:45:23 [vinod]
yeah, davb's a killer when he's on a shooting spree
20:45:30 [vinod]
especially the 3-pointers
20:45:34 [davb]
nope... no $$$ yet.
20:45:56 [markd2]
* markd2 nods knowingly
20:45:56 [davb]
maybe in a few weeks the top secret project will yield some.
20:46:27 [davb]
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/01/18/1953214.shtml
20:46:27 [chump]
L: http://slashdot.org/articles/02/01/18/1953214.shtml from davb
20:47:02 [davb]
L:|Return of Castle Wolfenstein for Linux
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titled item L
20:47:05 [davb]
s/of/to
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21:07:14 [davb]
time to go home
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21:14:21 [denshi]
bye davb
21:14:29 [markd2]
fare the well
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and polly-wolly doodle all day
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21:59:21 [markd2]
http://members.aol.com/essobmcc/brakbook/dancin/hotdog.htm
21:59:21 [chump]
M: http://members.aol.com/essobmcc/brakbook/dancin/hotdog.htm from markd2
21:59:30 [markd2]
M:| The Dancing Hot Dog(?)
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titled item M
21:59:33 [markd2]
M: includes the Torgo theme!
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commented item M
22:00:15 [docwolf]
the master does NOT approve.
22:02:15 [markd2]
http://torgo.org/torgo/index.html
22:02:15 [chump]
N: http://torgo.org/torgo/index.html from markd2
22:02:20 [markd2]
N:| More Torgo Goodness
22:02:20 [chump]
titled item N
22:02:47 [docwolf]
is that JBW?
22:02:50 [docwolf]
oh, wait, it's just torgo
22:02:56 [markd2]
jbw?
22:02:59 [markd2]
ah
22:03:01 [markd2]
just me
22:03:04 [markd2]
just him
22:03:06 [markd2]
erf
22:03:20 [markd2]
I haven't seen much (if any) from jbw on ex-ad
22:03:25 [markd2]
I figured there's be some lurking bitterness there
22:04:16 [docwolf]
hehe. i'd bet.
22:04:25 [docwolf]
i wonder if the "torgo" episode is on morpheus
22:04:53 [docwolf]
i have a raunchy videotape of it, that's like 8 years old
22:04:56 [docwolf]
pretty awful
22:05:15 [docwolf]
wait
22:05:21 [docwolf]
is kazaa dead?!
22:06:30 [markd2]
kazaa?
22:06:38 [docwolf]
that p2p thing
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22:24:19 [davb]
cool! if I right click in the tiny space of the systray window, I get the radio menu and can open the app.
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