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dd is now known as xt86 07:33:58 xt86 is now known as michaelme 07:51:33 michaelme is now known as beatbot 08:00:45 beatbot has quit () 08:10:16 the_docwolf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09:56:03 <_djg_> _djg_ (~dirk@212.84.246.68) has joined #openacs 12:13:08 til (~tils@62.116.25.202) has joined #openacs 13:34:55 miguel (~miguel25@cancerbero.unileon.es) has joined #openacs 13:35:15 hi guys 13:52:22 davb (~dave@cm-208-136-23-203.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:54:53 hi miguel 13:54:57 how are you? 13:56:34 i am reading the status of the docs 13:57:15 I am good. 13:59:17 i see that someone is supposed to have assigned the porting of the psets 14:00:23 looks like it. double check with rbm to be sure. 14:00:42 ok 14:01:09 he told me that they were interested on that, but that was in xmas 14:01:46 right. 14:07:48 vinod (~vinod@207-172-216-18.s526.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 14:08:46 howdy vinod! 14:10:53 hey davb! 14:12:11 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-21-207-214.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 14:12:11 i like fulcrum - has a nice sound to it 14:13:58 thanks 14:14:35 I explored over at dictionary.com and thesarus.com and finally found something that sounded right. 14:17:08 http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/41/onlinetext.htm 14:17:08 B: http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/41/onlinetext.htm from davb 14:17:17 B:|analysis of online fonts 14:17:17 titled item B 14:17:35 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 14:17:40 B: conclusion, there isn't much difference in type style for readability. size matters 14:17:40 commented item B 14:17:43 hi ola! 14:17:46 hello 14:18:05 http://www.james.rcpt.to/programs/debian/raid1/ 14:18:05 C: http://www.james.rcpt.to/programs/debian/raid1/ from ola 14:18:20 C:The Debian Woody/Sid 2.4 Kernel RAID 1 DevFS ReiserFS HOWTO 14:18:20 commented item C 14:18:52 cool 14:20:27 let's hope so. I'll try it soon... 14:20:51 ola do you know reiserfs for RH? 14:21:11 nope. only ext3.. 14:25:11 ok 14:25:25 ext3 is also a transactional FS? 14:29:04 it's a journaling filesystem like reiserfs. both are supported by the latest 2.4 kernels, I believe. 14:29:10 davb: fulcrum.org seems to be a personal site that is kinda dead 14:29:16 the guy may be willing to pass it off 14:31:10 yeah I saw that. 14:31:36 not a big deal either way anyway, if we remain the OpenACS project with a product called fulcrum or whatever. 14:31:46 talli, BTW /nick my_new_nick 14:34:24 ah, thanks :) 14:34:43 np. 14:35:48 Actually he has all that old content that is not maintained. we could even just leave it there in case people are looking for it. 14:39:30 ok i gotta go 14:39:32 have a nice day 14:39:59 RedHat makes it so much easier to install RAID and Journaling fs support from scratch, but since debian seems so easy to upgrade it should more than well make up for the extra installation trouble (at least that's what I'm hoping). 14:40:05 bye miguel 14:40:58 miguel has quit () 14:53:17 bbl 14:53:21 davb has quit () 15:52:44 djg (~dirk@pD9E6A9BC.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #openacs 16:14:46 talli has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16:15:45 ola has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:18:01 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 16:38:27 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.31.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 16:40:25 djg has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:41:05 ola_ (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 16:41:47 ola_ has quit (Client Quit) 16:44:57 [Global Notice] Hi all. A main rotation server has lost its connection. We've removed it from the rotation for the forseeable future. Apologies for the inconvenience. 16:56:27 ola has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:57:03 docwolf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:57:05 vinod has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16:57:22 markd2 has quit (",") 16:57:28 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.31.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 16:58:38 vinod (~vinod@207-172-216-18.s526.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 17:11:01 talli (~user@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 17:16:20 markd2 has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:20:11 hello 17:21:23 hey hazmat 17:21:24 hey hazmat 17:22:15 * hazmat is currently considering a kernel upgrade 17:22:28 anything exciting happening round here? 17:23:50 guess not :-) 17:24:12 what kernel are you upgrading to? 17:24:29 thinking about 2.4.17, currently running 2.2.14 17:25:01 i'm running 2.4.17 on my laptop (still using ext2 though) 17:25:07 denshi (~chatzilla@adsl-216-62-223-193.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 17:25:08 this will be my first self-compiled kernel upgrade... ;) not sure if i should bother since things run pretty well right now. 17:25:16 http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200105/df20010528.jpg 17:25:16 D: http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200105/df20010528.jpg from denshi 17:25:30 oh, markd2 isnt' around. 17:26:04 haha 17:26:08 i enjoyed it 17:26:20 can anyone describe the cogent features of the aolserver2.x advanced logging hooks? 17:27:02 sorry, i don't know about em 17:27:16 I came up with a simple system this morning 17:27:38 that's pretty lightweight. 17:27:50 hazmat: i think it's at least worth getting up to 2.2.19 (cuz i remember some exploits being fixed in 2.2.18). 2.4.17 seems to work well, though 17:28:38 * vinod wishes he could "come up with" systems in a morning 17:29:30 uhh.. vinod should take longer showers. 17:29:32 these boxes are locked down, and behind a firewall. i'm mostly doing this for experimentation, but i run alot of servers plus a gui on this box, as its my dev machine. i'm not really willing to tolerate flakiness from the kernel. but right now i'm just digging through the source for enlightenment. 17:29:36 with b-school students 17:30:48 anyone have any experience with coda fs? 17:31:02 hazmat: isn't that the old mac fs? 17:31:16 hey denshi, what's your idea? 17:31:22 no its a networked file system out of cmu. 17:31:33 * talli is excitedly jumping in his seat to hear denshi's idea 17:31:50 I guess talli is in a high-coffee job right now. 17:32:44 if you only new.... 17:32:49 reminds me. need coffee. 17:33:04 oh. first, hack ns_log to keep, per-connection, all the logging until the thread is done processing. This is important. Also important is for ns_log to keep all the logging, even the debug level ones that are discarded under normal operation. 17:33:47 then on user-definable error, write out all the logging that this connection involved to user-specified location. 17:33:56 It's the user specification that is the cool part. 17:34:36 that does sound cool. 17:34:43 denshi: just playing devil's advocate, couldn't this be done with a registered proc and a new logging api? 17:34:59 so you might have a drop down menu (if you're using a browser) and select an error type? is that what you mean? 17:35:25 dynamically, of course, through some /tcl/ page or ns_cp, you can set things like 'on HTTP 500, save the logs to /error.out/500s' or 'on 404, save to /error.out/notfounds' 17:36:14 hazmat: that's what I'm using, but rather than 'new logging api', i'll just back-door ns_log. What i want is more focused logging on existing source -- without changing them. 17:37:21 or 'watch this file. if it errors, in anyway, save it in /error.out/this_file'. or a global, similar, that keeps a cloned tree just of error logs. Then sends an email containing that file (which is all the logs for one error incident) to sysop. 17:37:37 denshi: cool. 17:37:50 denshi: would there be a way to parse it so that the presentation might be easier to read? 17:38:01 you'll note the two option scenarios are orthagonal to each other. This is not an accident. 17:38:09 talli: now you're in the output options. 17:38:16 oh, ok 17:38:18 denshi: why keep around all the messages till the conn ends? why not filter and dispatch as they come in 17:38:47 i guess i'm thinking more of a config file specified logging than ttw configurable... 17:39:00 maybe you should set 'error output format' in XML, HTML, or log text. and 'error output method' as 'format in HTML and return to browser' or 'convert to XML and add to database'. 17:39:16 denshi: that sounds, in a word, rad 17:39:16 but whats really the problem is the amount of logging that openacs generates, you really want to filter by subsystem. 17:40:19 but subsystem generation, is currently adhoc, although some packages include their own wrapper logging api, which would ease changes. 17:41:04 hazmat: b/c if your nsd.tcl isn't set as ErrorLogLevel = Debug (I think that's the param), then ns_log discards any 'ns_log debug "blah"' calls. So you have to keep a copy around in my version before you decide to log it out. Remember that we just trash it if the connection goes through fine. 17:41:29 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.31.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 17:41:58 hazmat again: as for subsystem (heh), you can just reach into the nsd url_tree structures, and apply the 'monitor this page' as a 'monitor this branch, and all descendant pages'. 17:42:37 anyway, it's a simple little hack. I think I'll code it up tonight, since I've kicked my Baldur's gate II habit. I think it'll take maybe 5 hours. 17:43:50 bah 17:43:57 Hauling 18 racks in is hard 17:44:18 that's a lot of deer 17:45:10 brb 17:45:28 denshi, markd2 might know about the aolserver2 log features 17:46:03 denshi: sounds cool. regarding subsystems i was referring to the openacs subsytems, ie request process, templating, query dispatcher, at the debug level these things generate tons of messages to the log file. 17:46:21 what's this? 17:46:53 denshi had an idea in the shower this morning 17:47:01 markd2: check the OACS irclog real quick 17:47:18 denshi has a cool idea for a debugging tool 17:47:18 okie 17:48:13 denshi: also don't forget registered proc logging. 17:49:48 oh, yeah, I forgot that, too. That's why ns_log has to reach into the url_tree code. 17:50:49 sounds cool 17:51:11 I'd make it an option whether to cache all the ns_log jazz or not 17:51:12 markd2: I posted another comic link, just to mess with you. 17:51:19 heh 17:51:44 the main benefit aolserver 2's logging has was that I had instrumentedn nssock, fastpath, and the main dispatch loop 17:51:55 plus had an API to crank up the spew level at run-time 17:52:16 could you explain how it all worked together in practice? 17:52:17 my main concern was finding problems in that core code, and needed all that spew to track down some really hard, really intermittent problems 17:52:49 sure 17:52:58 or altering core code for that matter. 17:53:00 there was Ns_ModLog [a.k.a. Module logging], that worked kind of like syslog 17:53:15 but had more debug-level flags for controlling spew 17:53:37 in ns_sock i'd put in calls like Ns_ModLog (blah, TRACE, "getting connection"); 17:53:58 Ns_ModLog (blah,. TRACE, "read bytes %s from socket", displayBytes(readBuffer)); 17:54:07 etc 17:54:25 so at runtime, I could invoke a tcl call ns_modlogcontrol set_threshold ns_sock TRACE 17:54:31 to see the tracing spew 17:54:39 then when I had what I wanted, I could set it back down again 17:55:02 http://badgertronics.com/writings/server-fix.html 17:55:02 E: http://badgertronics.com/writings/server-fix.html from markd2 17:55:15 E:| MarkD's old fixing crashing servers document from the 2.3.X days 17:55:15 titled item E 17:55:16 that seems like such a no brainer to keep in nsd. Why did they remove it? 17:55:21 there's a brief mention of ns_modlog down in there 17:57:58 fyi, jerry ascher also had a patch for more configurable logging that got shot done by the nsd folks, as i recall. 17:58:14 they have a problem with him too for some reason 17:59:04 and then came opennsd 17:59:18 what's up with them? In today's log someone mentioned a little firefight between kriston & don. Could someone run that by me? 17:59:58 don sent one his trademark'd emails to kriston, which kriston posted to the aolserver list. 18:00:11 it was full of things like you suck, repeated several times. 18:00:26 loggy, off 18:23:29 bbl 18:23:30 denshi has quit () 18:27:29 wow, kriston is out as aolserver maint? 18:28:19 really? 18:31:46 markd2: i know this isn't the right forum, but i have a openacs question :-) 18:31:54 begone! 18:32:01 haha 18:32:07 take it to #java 18:32:39 off the top of your head, do you remember if aolserver restricts you from accessing pages above the pageroot (using Ns_FetchPage, for example) 18:33:37 hmmmm 18:33:46 I know that it doesn't allow ../.././/vmlinux.el kind of stuff 18:33:53 but whether that's in url procesing or the file return, I dunno 18:34:04 ns_returnfile will let you return from anywhere in the filesystem 18:34:28 ok. just wondering 18:34:38 i was trying to track something down in nsxml 18:35:08 it was reading an xsl stylesheet and the stylesheet referred to a url like: file:///usr/share... 18:35:30 oy. no idea if that'll work or not 18:35:33 one way to find out :-) 18:35:43 but Ns_Fetchpage converted it to /usr/local/aolserver/servers/server1/usr/share/... 18:35:56 i wasn't sure if it was a bug or a feature :-) 18:35:59 heh 18:36:02 i need to delve in the code some more 18:36:02 that may be a feature 18:36:07 dive!! dive!! 18:36:17 * vinod is drowning 18:36:26 pointers everywhere! 18:38:26 vinod: that won't work, i'm pretty sure. you need to have the stylesheet accessible from the server.... but i could be wrong ;) null pointer; 18:39:26 well, it is accessible - nsadmin has read access on the file. is that what you mean by accessible? 18:40:53 dlk (dlk@as2-1-4.va.g.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 18:42:53 not really, but i wouldn't know without looking at the code, having nsxml be able to read code from anywhere on the fs thats readable by nsadmin would be security hole imo. but i'd have to have a looksy at the code. 18:42:56 * hazmat looks at code. 18:43:33 hazmat: yeah, the more i think about it, the more i agree. 18:44:14 vinod: which nsxml are you using? 18:44:28 v1.4 from acs-misc.sf.net 18:45:32 cool. 18:50:41 vinod: its look like it will use ns_fetchpage or ns_fetchurl to retrieve external entities for the xml docs, although it looks like the xslt lib is handling parsing. 18:51:30 for passed in stylesheets. 18:51:36 to the ns_xml commands 18:53:38 right. so xml_load_entity loads the page into memory and then sends it to libxml2 or libxslt for parsing 18:54:09 ahh.. ok, it looks like the ns_xml sets its function for all external references, so it will be using ns_fetchpage, ns_fetchurl to get the file 18:54:29 its around line 853 of ns_xml.c 18:56:22 right 18:56:29 i think i figured out what i was missing 18:56:35 cool. 18:57:02 a few lines up from that, it calls ns_parseurl to get the pieces of the url (protocol, host, port, etc) 18:57:58 that function strips the leading '/' so that it only gets stuff under the pageroot 18:58:17 so /usr/share/sgml becomes usr/share/sgml 18:58:37 when that is sent to ns_fetchpage, it's used as a local url under pageroot 18:58:47 which makes sense 19:00:48 I dare to interrupt with a postgres question - does anybody have it installed with unicode enabled, if yes, which are the exact ./configure options needed? 19:03:35 I always get a "ERROR: Multi-byte support is not enabled" with createdb -E unicode, but I am quite sure i selected all the necessary configure options 19:03:42 til: i haven't done it, but pascal scheffer's faq says: * 19:03:42 '--enable-locale' and '--enable-multibyte' for Unicode support 19:03:42 * 19:03:50 talli: just guessing, enable-multibyte and probably setting your local via -enable-locale 19:04:10 vinod: yes, those two are on 19:05:58 how bout --enable-unicode-conversion 19:06:24 Here is my last try: "./configure --enable-locale --enable-unicode-conversion --enable-recode --enable-multibyte=UNICODE --with-tcl --prefix=/usr/local/postgres" 19:06:51 doh 19:07:57 pg 7.1.3 - that's the latest, right? 19:08:26 yup 19:08:42 i'm trying right now - i'll give you an answer in 10 min :-) 19:09:01 vinod: cool, thanks! 19:09:51 meanwhile i will try _without_ the recode and conversion options 19:20:20 still no luck 19:23:27 til: just guessing, do you have you locale set on the box? 19:23:27 or does configure throw any errors or not found? 19:23:27 never mind ... 19:24:30 I just killed and restarted the postmaster and now it works - maybe I missed that an old process was running in the background all the time ... aarg 19:24:59 ok. it just worked for me :-) 19:25:09 * til til hides 19:25:15 haha 19:33:48 * hazmat tries out another uml tool 19:48:28 argouml? 19:49:18 poseidon, based on argouml but more stable and commercially supported. 19:49:28 linked from the argouml site. 19:50:20 trying to hook it up with pyreverse from logilab.org so i can actually make doing uml models time efficient by having it forward and reverse engineer my python code. otherwise doing the uml diagrams just wastes to much time for me to justify. 19:50:53 i was just going to ask about its round-trip capabilities :-) 19:51:46 i once saw someone try to do round-trip engineering with rational rose for java ... it never worked right 19:51:46 til: it claims some stuff for java, but i try not to program in java to much so i don't know if its up to snuff. 19:53:27 at least argo is saving in xmi so i can try some other combinations with it, and the logilab tool (cool company btw) is open source. 19:54:04 yeah, that's cool. xmi was a good idea i guess 19:56:09 cool, new edition of lwn.net is out. 20:09:16 talli:?? 20:12:47 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-21-207-214.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 20:14:32 hey hazmat 20:22:20 <_djg_> _djg_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20:54:21 davb (~dave@cm-208-136-23-203.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 21:00:46 davb: that's a great article and interview you posted yesterday. the one with kent beck and alan cooper 21:02:46 yep. I really like what cooper says. 21:04:19 yes, particularly that part where he says that clietns and end-users cannot visualize what they want 21:04:46 exactly :) 21:07:10 * markd2 queries the chump 21:08:10 * talli resents being called names 21:08:45 talli, i think you misunderstood 21:08:51 he was talking to me 21:09:26 markd2: http://www.fawcette.com/interviews/beck_cooper/default.asp 21:10:00 thanks 21:10:12 ah, i see 21:10:50 chump has forgotton that one already... you need to visit his web version :) 21:13:25 the web version of chump is really cool 21:15:47 uoho, I had an idea... 21:15:52 oops two ideas 21:16:10 one: program chump so you can ask him a question and it can search the chump pages for links 21:16:24 or use a bot that can search google and just use that... 21:19:07 ok, if chump can search google, then i think i'm obsolete, cuz that's my primary source of knowledge 21:19:09 yon (~yon@66.9.152.194) has joined #openacs 21:19:44 have you guys heard of xena/thecreature? 21:19:45 not yet. 21:19:51 someone has to program it :) 21:19:55 ;) 21:19:56 hazmat: nope 21:20:21 its a very cool/irc bot. that does google searching, archiving, translations, and a whole lot more. 21:20:25 * vinod wipes the sweat from his brow 21:20:32 aha, cool. 21:21:04 vinod: don't worry. you will always be needed to explain to us some weird skin anomoly that we've discovered\ 21:21:28 is using weird and anomoly in the same phrase redundant? 21:22:16 haha 21:22:49 i'm not making any diagnoses until docwolf leaves (don't need no stinkin second opinions!) :-) 21:26:23 hazmat: do you have any link for that? 21:26:48 yon has left #openacs 21:26:57 davb: sorry i was looking ang got distracted... 21:27:07 np :) 21:35:59 bbl 21:36:02 davb has quit () 21:37:56 denshi (~chatzilla@adsl-216-62-223-193.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 21:38:43 talli: weird and anomolus are in fact redundant. hth. 21:40:50 ph34r m3 l00serz 21:40:55 he who does not fear the docwolf is destined for misery and pain 21:41:03 hey docwolf 21:41:08 is godwinsroom still up? 21:41:14 no, it blew to pieces 21:41:18 it was an ugly affair. datapipe sucks 21:42:16 heh 21:45:08 shagster (~mkovach@web1.alal.com) has joined #openacs 21:46:09 ircbot, http://cvs.espnow.com/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/creature/ 21:46:49