IRC log of openacs on 2002-01-17

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* denshi looks around
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* denshi sees shadow, jumps in suprise, returns to burrow.
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wild
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02:51:55 [davb]
talli: what IRC client are you using. You can turn off nick_autocompletion (that is explanding the A B Cs to someones name when you try to comment on chump items)
03:02:38 [talli]
davb: i'm using Klient
03:02:51 [talli]
i looked for turning off nick_auto but i can't find it
03:02:54 [davb]
ah, can't help you, but that is the offending feature :)
03:03:00 [davb]
ah. windows?
03:03:15 [talli]
yeah
03:04:14 [davb]
ah, I am not in windows right now :)
03:05:00 [the_docwolf]
talli: r u still looking for an AcerLite 370-133? i have one for sale.
03:07:05 [the_docwolf]
I am also throwing in my charter membership to the Rush Limbaugh fan club. No extra price.
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03:20:55 [talli]
the_docwolf: i would be delighted to take that computer from you. but only if it runs winXP as nicely as my Dell laptop, which i just had to reboot by disconnecting all of its power supplies
03:21:24 [the_docwolf]
haha
03:21:33 [the_docwolf]
win 3.1 may be an improvement.
03:21:36 [talli]
in fact, if you throw in a date or two with some of your most A-type business school friends, male or female, who you think would dominate me sadistically, i'll pay you double!
03:21:43 [the_docwolf]
hehe
03:21:50 [the_docwolf]
you don't want to meet most b-school women
03:22:28 [the_docwolf]
so.. did you finally end up with the Acer or the Digital?
03:22:35 [talli]
i do. i like their smart suits
03:24:48 [the_docwolf]
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:talli+author:somekh&hl=en&selm=33C8479A.3507%40tufts.edu&rnum=1
03:24:48 [chump]
A: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=author:talli+author:somekh&hl=en&selm=33C8479A.3507%40tufts.edu&rnum=1 from the_docwolf
03:25:51 [davb]
talli: get the IBM!
03:26:02 [davb]
I have one, it still works!
03:26:21 [davb]
actually mine is a 755 which I think is older.
03:27:13 [talli]
whoa. the_docwolf is a net stalker.
03:27:36 [the_docwolf]
haha
03:27:39 [davb]
either that or he has ALOT of free time... or both
03:27:47 [the_docwolf]
rzolf and i were torturing each othr
03:27:54 [the_docwolf]
usenet is a scary place
03:28:06 [markd2]
back to the old games, eh?
03:28:54 [the_docwolf]
hehe
03:29:08 [the_docwolf]
markd2 better stay out of this. we've been investigating your sordid past.
03:29:08 [davb]
good night.
03:29:35 [the_docwolf]
this deja project is frightening
03:29:39 [markd2]
heh
03:29:43 [markd2]
be sure to check out alt.tasteless
03:29:45 [the_docwolf]
there should be a statute of limitations on stupidity
03:29:52 [markd2]
I also tended to hang out a lot on alt.fan.warlord
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03:32:42 [the_docwolf]
oh my god
03:32:51 [the_docwolf]
i just discovered something totally, utterly shocking.
03:33:24 [the_docwolf]
i went to school with kriston
03:34:04 [talli]
what???
03:34:33 [the_docwolf]
this is a bombshell
03:34:43 [the_docwolf]
he must have been one of the surly assholes in the computer center
03:35:05 [the_docwolf]
damn these eyes.. why did i go prying around usenet.
03:35:11 [talli]
haha
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03:35:34 [the_docwolf]
talli: you remember Kriston, right?
03:35:57 [the_docwolf]
he was the target of the infamous don "you suck" flame.
03:36:01 [talli]
the aolserver
03:36:02 [talli]
guy
03:36:08 [talli]
yeah, that was a hilarious email
03:36:14 [the_docwolf]
what a small world.
03:36:25 [talli]
i learned to fear, yet love, don baccus that day
03:36:35 [talli]
how does one change one's nick?
03:36:42 [the_docwolf]
no clue
03:36:52 [talli]
how do you do it all the time?
03:37:49 [talli]
the_docwolf: how come you're not doc_hotfoot or the_hotfoot?
03:38:07 [talli]
what made you change? i think you would make a great hotfoot!
03:38:16 [the_docwolf]
hehe
03:38:21 [the_docwolf]
my client did this for me
03:38:38 [the_docwolf]
i had an "alternate" name, and when it detected another "docwolf", it changed it so i could log in.
03:39:10 [talli]
ah, i see
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03:50:00 [talli]
i love the internet
03:50:12 [the_docwolf]
heh
03:51:01 [talli]
it just gets weirder and weirder
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13:35:15 [miguel]
hi guys
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13:54:53 [davb]
hi miguel
13:54:57 [miguel]
how are you?
13:56:34 [miguel]
i am reading the status of the docs
13:57:15 [davb]
I am good.
13:59:17 [miguel]
i see that someone is supposed to have assigned the porting of the psets
14:00:23 [davb]
looks like it. double check with rbm to be sure.
14:00:42 [miguel]
ok
14:01:09 [miguel]
he told me that they were interested on that, but that was in xmas
14:01:46 [davb]
right.
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14:08:46 [davb]
howdy vinod!
14:10:53 [vinod]
hey davb!
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14:12:11 [vinod]
i like fulcrum - has a nice sound to it
14:13:58 [davb]
thanks
14:14:35 [davb]
I explored over at dictionary.com and thesarus.com and finally found something that sounded right.
14:17:08 [davb]
http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/41/onlinetext.htm
14:17:08 [chump]
B: http://psychology.wichita.edu/surl/usabilitynews/41/onlinetext.htm from davb
14:17:17 [davb]
B:|analysis of online fonts
14:17:17 [chump]
titled item B
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14:17:40 [davb]
B: conclusion, there isn't much difference in type style for readability. size matters
14:17:40 [chump]
commented item B
14:17:43 [davb]
hi ola!
14:17:46 [ola]
hello
14:18:05 [ola]
http://www.james.rcpt.to/programs/debian/raid1/
14:18:05 [chump]
C: http://www.james.rcpt.to/programs/debian/raid1/ from ola
14:18:20 [ola]
C:The Debian Woody/Sid 2.4 Kernel RAID 1 DevFS ReiserFS HOWTO
14:18:20 [chump]
commented item C
14:18:52 [davb]
cool
14:20:27 [ola]
let's hope so. I'll try it soon...
14:20:51 [miguel]
ola do you know reiserfs for RH?
14:21:11 [ola]
nope. only ext3..
14:25:11 [miguel]
ok
14:25:25 [miguel]
ext3 is also a transactional FS?
14:29:04 [ola]
it's a journaling filesystem like reiserfs. both are supported by the latest 2.4 kernels, I believe.
14:29:10 [talli]
davb: fulcrum.org seems to be a personal site that is kinda dead
14:29:16 [talli]
the guy may be willing to pass it off
14:31:10 [davb]
yeah I saw that.
14:31:36 [davb]
not a big deal either way anyway, if we remain the OpenACS project with a product called fulcrum or whatever.
14:31:46 [davb]
talli, BTW /nick my_new_nick
14:34:24 [talli]
ah, thanks :)
14:34:43 [davb]
np.
14:35:48 [davb]
Actually he has all that old content that is not maintained. we could even just leave it there in case people are looking for it.
14:39:30 [miguel]
ok i gotta go
14:39:32 [miguel]
have a nice day
14:39:59 [ola]
RedHat makes it so much easier to install RAID and Journaling fs support from scratch, but since debian seems so easy to upgrade it should more than well make up for the extra installation trouble (at least that's what I'm hoping).
14:40:05 [ola]
bye miguel
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bbl
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16:44:57 [lilo--]
[Global Notice] Hi all. A main rotation server has lost its connection. We've removed it from the rotation for the forseeable future. Apologies for the inconvenience.
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17:20:11 [hazmat]
hello
17:21:23 [vinod]
hey hazmat
17:21:24 [talli]
hey hazmat
17:22:15 [hazmat]
* hazmat is currently considering a kernel upgrade
17:22:28 [hazmat]
anything exciting happening round here?
17:23:50 [vinod]
guess not :-)
17:24:12 [vinod]
what kernel are you upgrading to?
17:24:29 [hazmat]
thinking about 2.4.17, currently running 2.2.14
17:25:01 [vinod]
i'm running 2.4.17 on my laptop (still using ext2 though)
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17:25:08 [hazmat]
this will be my first self-compiled kernel upgrade... ;) not sure if i should bother since things run pretty well right now.
17:25:16 [denshi]
http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200105/df20010528.jpg
17:25:16 [chump]
D: http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200105/df20010528.jpg from denshi
17:25:30 [denshi]
oh, markd2 isnt' around.
17:26:04 [vinod]
haha
17:26:08 [vinod]
i enjoyed it
17:26:20 [denshi]
can anyone describe the cogent features of the aolserver2.x advanced logging hooks?
17:27:02 [vinod]
sorry, i don't know about em
17:27:16 [denshi]
I came up with a simple system this morning
17:27:38 [denshi]
that's pretty lightweight.
17:27:50 [vinod]
hazmat: i think it's at least worth getting up to 2.2.19 (cuz i remember some exploits being fixed in 2.2.18). 2.4.17 seems to work well, though
17:28:38 [vinod]
* vinod wishes he could "come up with" systems in a morning
17:29:30 [denshi]
uhh.. vinod should take longer showers.
17:29:32 [hazmat]
these boxes are locked down, and behind a firewall. i'm mostly doing this for experimentation, but i run alot of servers plus a gui on this box, as its my dev machine. i'm not really willing to tolerate flakiness from the kernel. but right now i'm just digging through the source for enlightenment.
17:29:36 [denshi]
with b-school students
17:30:48 [hazmat]
anyone have any experience with coda fs?
17:31:02 [denshi]
hazmat: isn't that the old mac fs?
17:31:16 [talli]
hey denshi, what's your idea?
17:31:22 [hazmat]
no its a networked file system out of cmu.
17:31:33 [talli]
* talli is excitedly jumping in his seat to hear denshi's idea
17:31:50 [denshi]
I guess talli is in a high-coffee job right now.
17:32:44 [talli]
if you only new....
17:32:49 [talli]
reminds me. need coffee.
17:33:04 [denshi]
oh. first, hack ns_log to keep, per-connection, all the logging until the thread is done processing. This is important. Also important is for ns_log to keep all the logging, even the debug level ones that are discarded under normal operation.
17:33:47 [denshi]
then on user-definable error, write out all the logging that this connection involved to user-specified location.
17:33:56 [denshi]
It's the user specification that is the cool part.
17:34:36 [talli]
that does sound cool.
17:34:43 [hazmat]
denshi: just playing devil's advocate, couldn't this be done with a registered proc and a new logging api?
17:34:59 [talli]
so you might have a drop down menu (if you're using a browser) and select an error type? is that what you mean?
17:35:25 [denshi]
dynamically, of course, through some /tcl/ page or ns_cp, you can set things like 'on HTTP 500, save the logs to /error.out/500s' or 'on 404, save to /error.out/notfounds'
17:36:14 [denshi]
hazmat: that's what I'm using, but rather than 'new logging api', i'll just back-door ns_log. What i want is more focused logging on existing source -- without changing them.
17:37:21 [denshi]
or 'watch this file. if it errors, in anyway, save it in /error.out/this_file'. or a global, similar, that keeps a cloned tree just of error logs. Then sends an email containing that file (which is all the logs for one error incident) to sysop.
17:37:37 [hazmat]
denshi: cool.
17:37:50 [talli]
denshi: would there be a way to parse it so that the presentation might be easier to read?
17:38:01 [denshi]
you'll note the two option scenarios are orthagonal to each other. This is not an accident.
17:38:09 [denshi]
talli: now you're in the output options.
17:38:16 [talli]
oh, ok
17:38:18 [hazmat]
denshi: why keep around all the messages till the conn ends? why not filter and dispatch as they come in
17:38:47 [hazmat]
i guess i'm thinking more of a config file specified logging than ttw configurable...
17:39:00 [denshi]
maybe you should set 'error output format' in XML, HTML, or log text. and 'error output method' as 'format in HTML and return to browser' or 'convert to XML and add to database'.
17:39:16 [talli]
denshi: that sounds, in a word, rad
17:39:16 [hazmat]
but whats really the problem is the amount of logging that openacs generates, you really want to filter by subsystem.
17:40:19 [hazmat]
but subsystem generation, is currently adhoc, although some packages include their own wrapper logging api, which would ease changes.
17:41:04 [denshi]
hazmat: b/c if your nsd.tcl isn't set as ErrorLogLevel = Debug (I think that's the param), then ns_log discards any 'ns_log debug "blah"' calls. So you have to keep a copy around in my version before you decide to log it out. Remember that we just trash it if the connection goes through fine.
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17:41:58 [denshi]
hazmat again: as for subsystem (heh), you can just reach into the nsd url_tree structures, and apply the 'monitor this page' as a 'monitor this branch, and all descendant pages'.
17:42:37 [denshi]
anyway, it's a simple little hack. I think I'll code it up tonight, since I've kicked my Baldur's gate II habit. I think it'll take maybe 5 hours.
17:43:50 [Psychephylax]
bah
17:43:57 [Psychephylax]
Hauling 18 racks in is hard
17:44:18 [markd2]
that's a lot of deer
17:45:10 [denshi]
brb
17:45:28 [talli]
denshi, markd2 might know about the aolserver2 log features
17:46:03 [hazmat]
denshi: sounds cool. regarding subsystems i was referring to the openacs subsytems, ie request process, templating, query dispatcher, at the debug level these things generate tons of messages to the log file.
17:46:21 [markd2]
what's this?
17:46:53 [vinod]
denshi had an idea in the shower this morning
17:47:01 [talli]
markd2: check the OACS irclog real quick
17:47:18 [talli]
denshi has a cool idea for a debugging tool
17:47:18 [markd2]
okie
17:48:13 [hazmat]
denshi: also don't forget registered proc logging.
17:49:48 [denshi]
oh, yeah, I forgot that, too. That's why ns_log has to reach into the url_tree code.
17:50:49 [markd2]
sounds cool
17:51:11 [markd2]
I'd make it an option whether to cache all the ns_log jazz or not
17:51:12 [denshi]
markd2: I posted another comic link, just to mess with you.
17:51:19 [markd2]
heh
17:51:44 [markd2]
the main benefit aolserver 2's logging has was that I had instrumentedn nssock, fastpath, and the main dispatch loop
17:51:55 [markd2]
plus had an API to crank up the spew level at run-time
17:52:16 [denshi]
could you explain how it all worked together in practice?
17:52:17 [markd2]
my main concern was finding problems in that core code, and needed all that spew to track down some really hard, really intermittent problems
17:52:49 [markd2]
sure
17:52:58 [hazmat]
or altering core code for that matter.
17:53:00 [markd2]
there was Ns_ModLog [a.k.a. Module logging], that worked kind of like syslog
17:53:15 [markd2]
but had more debug-level flags for controlling spew
17:53:37 [markd2]
in ns_sock i'd put in calls like Ns_ModLog (blah, TRACE, "getting connection");
17:53:58 [markd2]
Ns_ModLog (blah,. TRACE, "read bytes %s from socket", displayBytes(readBuffer));
17:54:07 [markd2]
etc
17:54:25 [markd2]
so at runtime, I could invoke a tcl call ns_modlogcontrol set_threshold ns_sock TRACE
17:54:31 [markd2]
to see the tracing spew
17:54:39 [markd2]
then when I had what I wanted, I could set it back down again
17:55:02 [markd2]
http://badgertronics.com/writings/server-fix.html
17:55:02 [chump]
E: http://badgertronics.com/writings/server-fix.html from markd2
17:55:15 [markd2]
E:| MarkD's old fixing crashing servers document from the 2.3.X days
17:55:15 [chump]
titled item E
17:55:16 [denshi]
that seems like such a no brainer to keep in nsd. Why did they remove it?
17:55:21 [markd2]
there's a brief mention of ns_modlog down in there
17:57:58 [hazmat]
fyi, jerry ascher also had a patch for more configurable logging that got shot done by the nsd folks, as i recall.
17:58:14 [markd2]
they have a problem with him too for some reason
17:59:04 [hazmat]
and then came opennsd
17:59:18 [denshi]
what's up with them? In today's log someone mentioned a little firefight between kriston & don. Could someone run that by me?
17:59:58 [hazmat]
don sent one his trademark'd emails to kriston, which kriston posted to the aolserver list.
18:00:11 [hazmat]
it was full of things like you suck, repeated several times.
18:00:26 [hazmat]
loggy, off
18:23:29 [denshi]
bbl
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18:27:29 [jim]
wow, kriston is out as aolserver maint?
18:28:19 [markd2]
really?
18:31:46 [vinod]
markd2: i know this isn't the right forum, but i have a openacs question :-)
18:31:54 [markd2]
begone!
18:32:01 [vinod]
haha
18:32:07 [markd2]
take it to #java
18:32:39 [vinod]
off the top of your head, do you remember if aolserver restricts you from accessing pages above the pageroot (using Ns_FetchPage, for example)
18:33:37 [markd2]
hmmmm
18:33:46 [markd2]
I know that it doesn't allow ../.././/vmlinux.el kind of stuff
18:33:53 [markd2]
but whether that's in url procesing or the file return, I dunno
18:34:04 [markd2]
ns_returnfile will let you return from anywhere in the filesystem
18:34:28 [vinod]
ok. just wondering
18:34:38 [vinod]
i was trying to track something down in nsxml
18:35:08 [vinod]
it was reading an xsl stylesheet and the stylesheet referred to a url like: file:///usr/share...
18:35:30 [markd2]
oy. no idea if that'll work or not
18:35:33 [markd2]
one way to find out :-)
18:35:43 [vinod]
but Ns_Fetchpage converted it to /usr/local/aolserver/servers/server1/usr/share/...
18:35:56 [vinod]
i wasn't sure if it was a bug or a feature :-)
18:35:59 [markd2]
heh
18:36:02 [vinod]
i need to delve in the code some more
18:36:02 [markd2]
that may be a feature
18:36:07 [markd2]
dive!! dive!!
18:36:17 [vinod]
* vinod is drowning
18:36:26 [vinod]
pointers everywhere!
18:38:26 [hazmat]
vinod: that won't work, i'm pretty sure. you need to have the stylesheet accessible from the server.... but i could be wrong ;) null pointer;
18:39:26 [vinod]
well, it is accessible - nsadmin has read access on the file. is that what you mean by accessible?
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18:42:53 [hazmat]
not really, but i wouldn't know without looking at the code, having nsxml be able to read code from anywhere on the fs thats readable by nsadmin would be security hole imo. but i'd have to have a looksy at the code.
18:42:56 [hazmat]
* hazmat looks at code.
18:43:33 [vinod]
hazmat: yeah, the more i think about it, the more i agree.
18:44:14 [hazmat]
vinod: which nsxml are you using?
18:44:28 [vinod]
v1.4 from acs-misc.sf.net
18:45:32 [hazmat]
cool.
18:50:41 [hazmat]
vinod: its look like it will use ns_fetchpage or ns_fetchurl to retrieve external entities for the xml docs, although it looks like the xslt lib is handling parsing.
18:51:30 [hazmat]
for passed in stylesheets.
18:51:36 [hazmat]
to the ns_xml commands
18:53:38 [vinod]
right. so xml_load_entity loads the page into memory and then sends it to libxml2 or libxslt for parsing
18:54:09 [hazmat]
ahh.. ok, it looks like the ns_xml sets its function for all external references, so it will be using ns_fetchpage, ns_fetchurl to get the file
18:54:29 [hazmat]
its around line 853 of ns_xml.c
18:56:22 [vinod]
right
18:56:29 [vinod]
i think i figured out what i was missing
18:56:35 [hazmat]
cool.
18:57:02 [vinod]
a few lines up from that, it calls ns_parseurl to get the pieces of the url (protocol, host, port, etc)
18:57:58 [vinod]
that function strips the leading '/' so that it only gets stuff under the pageroot
18:58:17 [vinod]
so /usr/share/sgml becomes usr/share/sgml
18:58:37 [vinod]
when that is sent to ns_fetchpage, it's used as a local url under pageroot
18:58:47 [vinod]
which makes sense
19:00:48 [til]
I dare to interrupt with a postgres question - does anybody have it installed with unicode enabled, if yes, which are the exact ./configure options needed?
19:03:35 [til]
I always get a "ERROR: Multi-byte support is not enabled" with createdb -E unicode, but I am quite sure i selected all the necessary configure options
19:03:42 [vinod]
til: i haven't done it, but pascal scheffer's faq says: *
19:03:42 [vinod]
'--enable-locale' and '--enable-multibyte' for Unicode support
19:03:42 [vinod]
*
19:03:50 [hazmat]
talli: just guessing, enable-multibyte and probably setting your local via -enable-locale
19:04:10 [til]
vinod: yes, those two are on
19:05:58 [vinod]
how bout --enable-unicode-conversion
19:06:24 [til]
Here is my last try: "./configure --enable-locale --enable-unicode-conversion --enable-recode --enable-multibyte=UNICODE --with-tcl --prefix=/usr/local/postgres"
19:06:51 [vinod]
doh
19:07:57 [til]
pg 7.1.3 - that's the latest, right?
19:08:26 [vinod]
yup
19:08:42 [vinod]
i'm trying right now - i'll give you an answer in 10 min :-)
19:09:01 [til]
vinod: cool, thanks!
19:09:51 [til]
meanwhile i will try _without_ the recode and conversion options
19:20:20 [til]
still no luck
19:23:27 [hazmat]
til: just guessing, do you have you locale set on the box?
19:23:27 [hazmat]
or does configure throw any errors or not found?
19:23:27 [til]
never mind ...
19:24:30 [til]
I just killed and restarted the postmaster and now it works - maybe I missed that an old process was running in the background all the time ... aarg
19:24:59 [vinod]
ok. it just worked for me :-)
19:25:09 [til]
* til til hides
19:25:15 [vinod]
haha
19:33:48 [hazmat]
* hazmat tries out another uml tool
19:48:28 [til]
argouml?
19:49:18 [hazmat]
poseidon, based on argouml but more stable and commercially supported.
19:49:28 [hazmat]
linked from the argouml site.
19:50:20 [hazmat]
trying to hook it up with pyreverse from logilab.org so i can actually make doing uml models time efficient by having it forward and reverse engineer my python code. otherwise doing the uml diagrams just wastes to much time for me to justify.
19:50:53 [til]
i was just going to ask about its round-trip capabilities :-)
19:51:46 [til]
i once saw someone try to do round-trip engineering with rational rose for java ... it never worked right
19:51:46 [hazmat]
til: it claims some stuff for java, but i try not to program in java to much so i don't know if its up to snuff.
19:53:27 [hazmat]
at least argo is saving in xmi so i can try some other combinations with it, and the logilab tool (cool company btw) is open source.
19:54:04 [til]
yeah, that's cool. xmi was a good idea i guess
19:56:09 [hazmat]
cool, new edition of lwn.net is out.
20:09:16 [hazmat]
talli:??
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20:14:32 [talli]
hey hazmat
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21:00:46 [talli]
davb: that's a great article and interview you posted yesterday. the one with kent beck and alan cooper
21:02:46 [davb]
yep. I really like what cooper says.
21:04:19 [talli]
yes, particularly that part where he says that clietns and end-users cannot visualize what they want
21:04:46 [davb]
exactly :)
21:07:10 [markd2]
* markd2 queries the chump
21:08:10 [talli]
* talli resents being called names
21:08:45 [vinod]
talli, i think you misunderstood
21:08:51 [vinod]
he was talking to me
21:09:26 [vinod]
markd2: http://www.fawcette.com/interviews/beck_cooper/default.asp
21:10:00 [markd2]
thanks
21:10:12 [talli]
ah, i see
21:10:50 [davb]
chump has forgotton that one already... you need to visit his web version :)
21:13:25 [talli]
the web version of chump is really cool
21:15:47 [davb]
uoho, I had an idea...
21:15:52 [davb]
oops two ideas
21:16:10 [davb]
one: program chump so you can ask him a question and it can search the chump pages for links
21:16:24 [davb]
or use a bot that can search google and just use that...
21:19:07 [vinod]
ok, if chump can search google, then i think i'm obsolete, cuz that's my primary source of knowledge
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21:19:44 [hazmat]
have you guys heard of xena/thecreature?
21:19:45 [davb]
not yet.
21:19:51 [davb]
someone has to program it :)
21:19:55 [hazmat]
;)
21:19:56 [davb]
hazmat: nope
21:20:21 [hazmat]
its a very cool/irc bot. that does google searching, archiving, translations, and a whole lot more.
21:20:25 [vinod]
* vinod wipes the sweat from his brow
21:20:32 [davb]
aha, cool.
21:21:04 [talli]
vinod: don't worry. you will always be needed to explain to us some weird skin anomoly that we've discovered\
21:21:28 [talli]
is using weird and anomoly in the same phrase redundant?
21:22:16 [vinod]
haha
21:22:49 [vinod]
i'm not making any diagnoses until docwolf leaves (don't need no stinkin second opinions!) :-)
21:26:23 [davb]
hazmat: do you have any link for that?
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21:26:57 [hazmat]
davb: sorry i was looking ang got distracted...
21:27:07 [davb]
np :)
21:35:59 [davb]
bbl
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21:38:43 [denshi]
talli: weird and anomolus are in fact redundant. hth.
21:40:50 [docwolf]
ph34r m3 l00serz
21:40:55 [vinod]
he who does not fear the docwolf is destined for misery and pain
21:41:03 [markd2]
hey docwolf
21:41:08 [markd2]
is godwinsroom still up?
21:41:14 [docwolf]
no, it blew to pieces
21:41:18 [docwolf]
it was an ugly affair. datapipe sucks
21:42:16 [markd2]
heh
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21:46:09 [hazmat]
ircbot, http://cvs.espnow.com/viewcvs/viewcvs.cgi/creature/
21:46:49 [vinod]
hey shagster - long time no see!
21:47:07 [shagster]
Yea, got busy...had to actually work for a while :(
21:47:31 [vinod]
sorry to hear it
21:48:34 [shagster]
Plus, I've been working on getting some of the server tools from aD ported to postgres
21:49:02 [vinod]
cool - which server tools?
21:49:51 [shagster]
well uptime, I got mmon ported I'm testing it now
21:50:21 [shagster]
Cassandrix should take long
21:51:03 [shagster]
Heh, I just release it as the OpenACS Server Arch tool :)
21:51:18 [shagster]
Hmm Cassandrix -shouldn't- take long (that is )
21:51:33 [vinod]
cool!
21:51:56 [shagster]
Oh yea, I just about got reporte working too
21:51:59 [markd2]
heh. rzolf is the last person to really touch cassandrix, in a meaningful way
21:52:22 [vinod]
i think davb was working on something similar to reporte, but using webalizer instead
21:53:39 [shagster]
I thought about that too, but I tend to use both (webalizer for the customers to see, analog for me)
21:54:52 [shagster]
* shagster is now jealous :P
21:55:47 [vinod]
denshi: i told you markd2 was the crude one around here
21:55:59 [markd2]
who me?
21:56:03 [markd2]
* markd2 bats his eyelashes
21:56:08 [markd2]
*oof*
21:56:12 [markd2]
so much for that baseball bat
21:56:24 [vinod]
LOL
21:57:18 [vinod]
* vinod hands markd2 a nerf bat for next time
21:57:18 [shagster]
what, is it happy hour?
21:57:34 [vinod]
oh man, ever since you left, it's always like this
21:57:36 [markd2]
markd2 has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit http://openacs.org, where it's *always* happy hour.
21:57:57 [vinod]
either that or ever since docwolf, denshi and rzolf started showing up
21:57:57 [shagster]
Hey, it is always 5PM -somewhere-
21:58:36 [denshi]
denshi has changed the topic to: "OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit http://openacs.org, two drinks and nerf bat minimum"
21:58:48 [shagster]
Here, thi
21:58:52 [shagster]
*grr*
21:59:18 [shagster]
Hey now there is a new project name: 'The Happy Hour WEb Toolkit'
21:59:32 [shagster]
HHTK for short :)
22:00:39 [shagster]
heh, and hhtk.org is available -- hah!
22:04:11 [vinod]
brb
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22:18:00 [talli]
music is most certainly off-topic, denshi
22:18:02 [talli]
bring it on
22:18:19 [denshi]
nick drake.
22:19:01 [denshi]
just found that yesterday, stuck him next to leonard cohen and jeff buckley on my shelves. Same kind of cool.
22:19:15 [talli]
ha. yeah, he is up there with leonard
22:20:03 [talli]
but be careful to not become another retro indy rock chick. you'll start wearing ani di franco shirts, if you do
22:21:07 [denshi]
heh. drake is dead, so there's yet another show I won't be able to wear di franco shirts to.
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doh
22:55:28 [markd2]
heh
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22:55:45 [Spork]
I was late for the big party eh
22:55:54 [Spork]
* Spork sporks Markd for not waiting for Spork
22:55:57 [markd2]
oh well
22:56:07 [markd2]
spork is as spork does
22:56:09 [Spork]
Would you spend 400$ on a computer case and a power supply?
22:56:13 [markd2]
so, ya graduated / got a job yet?
22:56:17 [markd2]
me, no
22:56:22 [markd2]
I already got both of 'em
22:56:23 [Spork]
Graduated no job yet
22:56:59 [Spork]
heh
22:57:14 [Spork]
I do too but I need new ones
23:05:06 [Spork]
bbl
23:07:21 [beattiek]
* beattiek summons Dave with arcane jestures.
23:15:49 [denshi]
* denshi draws runes around beattiek to help out
23:15:59 [beattiek]
:)
23:17:24 [denshi]
did it work?
23:17:32 [beattiek]
not yet
23:18:09 [beattiek]
It's like a rain dance, we gotta keep trying, then when he comes we blame magic and people praise us.
23:18:12 [beattiek]
I think.
23:20:27 [markd2]
* markd2 praises beattiek
23:20:46 [beattiek]
wait mark, he isn't here yet...
23:20:55 [markd2]
* markd2 stops praising beattiek
23:20:58 [beattiek]
:)
23:21:07 [markd2]
I'll get it right one of these days
23:21:23 [beattiek]
* beattiek pats mark on the head.
23:21:38 [markd2]
* markd2 smiles like an imbicile
23:23:16 [beattiek]
that article is intense.
23:23:30 [denshi]
* denshi is still annoyed that we aren't considered mages.
23:23:31 [markd2]
the beck / cooper article?
23:23:36 [denshi]
* denshi or shamans
23:23:36 [beattiek]
yeah.
23:27:49 [beattiek]
beck is being frumple
23:31:22 [talli]
is frumple a magical term?
23:31:30 [beattiek]
no
23:31:35 [beattiek]
StarCon 3.
23:31:40 [beattiek]
windows game.
23:32:57 [markd2]
what's it mean?
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23:33:08 [beattiek]
It is'nt realy clear
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23:33:37 [beattiek]
It is basicly a term one alien race uses to define alot of things, including humans.
23:33:48 [beattiek]
I think it is negitive, but not extreamly.
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23:34:23 [beattiek]
That game was realy quite amusing. The best part was interacting with all the aliens.
23:35:05 [denshi]
did you play starcon 2?
23:35:20 [beattiek]
yes
23:35:23 [beattiek]
of course :)
23:35:30 [denshi]
ooohh... do you still have a copy?
23:35:41 [beattiek]
hmmm.
23:35:56 [denshi]
there will be much *fun* in the *middle*
23:36:00 [beattiek]
Nope. I think that might be free now tho.
23:36:05 [beattiek]
yeah :)
23:37:19 [denshi]
it's been years and years since I played that...
23:37:51 [denshi]
the snippets of alien conversations dominated my friends joke pool for like 2 years afterwards.
23:38:06 [beattiek]
yeah
23:38:11 [beattiek]
Same...
23:39:14 [beattiek]
I still use some thing from it, but when I do, i forget where it is from at first. Frumple is just part of my vocabulary now :)
23:40:37 [beattiek]
haha
23:40:48 [beattiek]
for sure :)
23:41:15 [beattiek]
what is coopers book?
23:42:17 [talli]
beattiek: The Inmates are Running the Asylum
23:42:30 [beattiek]
haha, funny.
23:42:35 [beattiek]
I think i will read it.
23:42:42 [beattiek]
Cooper is smart.
23:43:03 [talli]
(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0672316498/ref%3Dnosim/pindsdotcom/002-9407303-7688837
23:43:27 [beattiek]
:)
23:45:45 [beattiek]
We've worked with many different sizes of design teams and we've settled on the optimum size-it's two. (I realy agree with this)
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23:58:49 [denshi]
bye guys
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