IRC log of openacs on 2002-01-08
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- 00:19:21 [denshi]
- D'oh!! Talli's gone.
- 00:19:25 [denshi]
- So who is who?
- 00:23:00 [hazmat]
- ruby is cool.
- 00:23:23 [hazmat]
- i'm a lost soul wandering the channels of irc for something to do.
- 00:28:51 [denshi]
- I miss being a lost soul.
- 00:28:55 [denshi]
- Being found sucks.
- 00:56:58 [markd2]
- markd2 (~Snak@r-41.53.alltel.net) has joined #openacs
- 00:56:59 [vinod]
- vinod has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer))
- 00:58:53 [Psychephylax]
- Psychephylax (proxy@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs
- 01:03:47 [Psychephylax]
- :)
- 01:24:21 [vinod]
- vinod (~vinod@209-122-233-7.s1817.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs
- 01:28:55 [djg]
- djg has left #openacs
- 01:32:13 [beattiek]
- Workiephylax... haha.
- 01:37:51 [Psychephylax]
- hehe
- 01:39:12 [Psychephylax]
- tomorrow it will be Bronxiephylax as I have to travel to the Bronx with my co-worker to do maintenance work on a system we deployed in a hospital
- 01:40:02 [markd2]
- markd2 is now known as Funkyphylax
- 01:40:05 [Funkyphylax]
- gitdown! gitfunky!
- 01:40:07 [Funkyphylax]
- Funkyphylax is now known as markd2
- 01:40:39 [Psychephylax]
- ROFL
- 01:41:56 [Psychephylax]
- you're a nut
- 01:42:16 [vinod]
- some times you feel like a nut
- 01:42:25 [Psychephylax]
- sometimes I need to fill my gut
- 01:42:39 [Psychephylax]
- only to get out of a rut
- 01:42:40 [vinod]
- haha
- 01:42:50 [markd2]
- looks like we have a nut glut around here
- 01:42:58 [Psychephylax]
- LOL
- 01:43:06 [vinod]
- irc poetry - i love it
- 01:43:11 [markd2]
- do not taunt happy fun nut glut
- 01:43:12 [Psychephylax]
- what is it...
- 01:43:18 [Psychephylax]
- Bah, I don't remember that song
- 01:44:31 [vinod]
- markd2: love the snow pictures! still no snow in boston. went home to wisconsin for xmas and no snow there - it was very depressing
- 01:44:40 [Psychephylax]
- awwww
- 01:44:44 [markd2]
- no snow for you? bummer
- 01:44:47 [Psychephylax]
- * Psychephylax goes to the freezer in his fridge
- 01:44:58 [vinod]
- haha
- 01:45:02 [Psychephylax]
- * Psychephylax tags vinod square in the head with an icicle
- 01:45:04 [vinod]
- yeah - i love snow and cold weather
- 01:45:09 [Psychephylax]
- c/icicle/ice cube
- 01:45:14 [vinod]
- * vinod ducks
- 01:45:41 [Psychephylax]
- * Psychephylax points above vinod to a big net of ice cubes in a net as he pulls the lever
- 01:46:01 [vinod]
- lol
- 01:46:10 [vinod]
- Psychephylax always gets his man
- 01:46:20 [Psychephylax]
- * Psychephylax points at Workiephylax
- 01:46:23 [Psychephylax]
- It's all his fault!
- 01:46:23 [markd2]
- * markd2 sings like ice cube
- 01:46:35 [ChanServ]
- [#OpenACS] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog
- 01:46:36 [Psychephylax]
- * Psychephylax dives under the desk and begins to tremble
- 01:47:00 [vinod]
- Psychephylax: what is this? bring your alter-ego to work day?
- 01:47:08 [Psychephylax]
- ROFL
- 01:47:11 [Psychephylax]
- Kinda
- 01:47:21 [Psychephylax]
- I try to leave him at work so he doesn't bother me at home
- 01:47:28 [Psychephylax]
- somehow he always finds his way home
- 01:47:36 [Psychephylax]
- I left him in the closet this time
- 01:47:41 [vinod]
- haha
- 01:47:55 [vinod]
- when is he coming out of the closet?
- 01:48:02 [denshi]
- Words to your moms,
- 01:48:04 [Psychephylax]
- Not for a loooooooong time I hope
- 01:48:06 [denshi]
- I came to drop bombs,
- 01:48:11 [denshi]
- .I've got more rhymes than the bible's got psalms.
- 01:48:17 [vinod]
- lol
- 01:48:17 [denshi]
- And just like the prodigal son, I return.
- 01:48:23 [denshi]
- Anyone stepping to me, you'll get burned.
- 01:48:25 [Psychephylax]
- * Psychephylax pokes denshi between the ribs..Who you be?
- 01:48:35 [denshi]
- 'Cause I got lyrics, but you ain't got none,
- 01:48:40 [denshi]
- If you come to battle, bring a shotgun. (shotgun)
- 01:48:53 [denshi]
- Jump around!
- 01:48:58 [Psychephylax]
- heh
- 01:49:05 [Psychephylax]
- Cypress Hill is a million times better :)
- 01:49:06 [denshi]
- nothing like angry irish white boy rap.
- 01:49:16 [denshi]
- * denshi be Todd G.
- 01:49:20 [Psychephylax]
- lol
- 01:49:24 [denshi]
- who you be?
- 01:49:43 [Psychephylax]
- I be Bilbo Baggins, the Barrel Rider, the Burglar
- 01:49:57 [Psychephylax]
- Psychephylax is now known as Bilbo_Baggins
- 01:50:05 [denshi]
- I quote Chrono Cross: "Ye be me!"
- 01:50:14 [rbm]
- oh boy, oh boy, oh boy... My SCSI burner arrived
- 01:50:21 [Bilbo_Baggins]
- * Bilbo_Baggins cranks up House of Pain and begins jumping on Workiephylax
- 01:50:27 [markd2]
- BURN! BURN THE DISC!
- 01:50:32 [Bilbo_Baggins]
- Burn the orcs?
- 01:50:34 [Bilbo_Baggins]
- LOL
- 01:50:42 [Bilbo_Baggins]
- Go RBM GO!
- 01:50:46 [markd2]
- * markd2 puts on squirrel nut zippers
- 01:50:48 [Bilbo_Baggins]
- Jump up jump up and get down
- 01:51:02 [Bilbo_Baggins]
- * Bilbo_Baggins witholds a nut pun
- 01:51:03 [rbm]
- * rbm will install his burner. brb
- 01:51:32 [denshi]
- rbm gots ta move it.... he gots ta move it
- 01:51:42 [Bilbo_Baggins]
- roflmao
- 01:53:42 [Bilbo_Baggins]
- Bilbo_Baggins is now known as markd3
- 01:54:04 [denshi]
- denshi is now known as markd4
- 01:54:05 [markd3]
- markd3 is now known as loggy`s_pet
- 01:54:10 [markd4]
- We are all Kosh.
- 01:54:15 [loggy`s_pet]
- lol
- 01:54:52 [markd2]
- openacs is a three-edged sword
- 01:54:56 [markd2]
- beauty... in the dork
- 01:55:00 [loggy`s_pet]
- lol
- 01:55:03 [vinod]
- * vinod wants to know who's smoking what tonight
- 01:55:07 [markd4]
- http://xalton.forum2000.org/matrix/forum_hof_answers?keepcookie=136&lm=1002259717
- 01:55:10 [loggy`s_pet]
- sez markd as he goes bork
- 01:55:32 [markd2]
- goin' downtown, to buy some pork
- 01:55:45 [markd2]
- but alas, mugged with a spork
- 01:55:45 [markd4]
- how's the aftertaste on that, loggy?
- 01:55:58 [markd2]
- and rapped with the wrench of torque
- 01:56:03 [loggy`s_pet]
- bahaha
- 01:56:13 [markd2]
- * markd2 waits for Vinod's famous human beat box
- 01:56:30 [loggy`s_pet]
- Just remember, this is all being logged
- 01:56:34 [markd2]
- rockin!
- 01:56:51 [markd2]
- I've already proven myself to be a complete lunatic in this forum
- 01:56:59 [vinod]
- haha
- 01:57:03 [loggy`s_pet]
- heh, so you've reached the bottom?
- 01:57:33 [markd4]
- you don't reach the bottom -- the bottom reaches for you.
- 01:57:51 [loggy`s_pet]
- heh
- 01:57:59 [loggy`s_pet]
- Does anyone know if Heavy D has a glass eye?
- 01:58:03 [markd2]
- * markd2 makes sure nobody is reaching for his... never mind
- 01:58:15 [loggy`s_pet]
- rofl
- 02:02:58 [loggy`s_pet]
- I highly recommend "Cypress Hill - Hand on the Pump"
- 02:03:58 [markd4]
- well if you're going to have a hand on the pump, I should recommend "Talking Heads - Sand in the Vaseline"
- 02:04:05 [vinod]
- ouch
- 02:04:18 [loggy`s_pet]
- hehe
- 02:05:05 [loggy`s_pet]
- 9:06pm up 1:08, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00
- 02:05:08 [loggy`s_pet]
- !woot!
- 02:05:22 [loggy`s_pet]
- what the hell
- 02:05:24 [loggy`s_pet]
- oh
- 02:05:26 [loggy`s_pet]
- ROFL
- 02:05:39 [Workiephylax]
- 9:18PM up 167 days, 12:30, 1 user, load averages: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00
- 02:05:41 [Workiephylax]
- that's what I meant
- 02:05:56 [Workiephylax]
- * Workiephylax runs back to his closet looking at loggy`s_pet
- 02:05:58 [markd2]
- not bad
- 02:06:46 [markd4]
- http://www.goats.com/archive/971223.html
- 02:07:14 [markd2]
- * markd2 is worried about anything with 'goat' in it
- 02:08:43 [markd4]
- markd4 is now known as goat_lord
- 02:09:09 [loggy`s_pet]
- loggy`s_pet is now known as lords_goat
- 02:09:25 [lords_goat]
- bleeeeeeeat!
- 02:09:59 [goat_lord]
- I just realized I have no goat-based idioms
- 02:10:27 [lords_goat]
- well then I refuse to be your goat
- 02:10:33 [markd2]
- you gotta be kidding me
- 02:10:37 [goat_lord]
- nooo!!!
- 02:10:45 [markd2]
- we should can this now
- 02:10:50 [lords_goat]
- lords_goat is now known as markd2`s_goat
- 02:11:19 [goat_lord]
- "For he who grazes upon my goat mountain shall have eternal bleating.... or something"
- 02:13:47 [rbm]
- Anyone worried about goats must see Dexter's Laboratory "Chupacabra" episode.
- 02:13:57 [rbm]
- That is _the_ best Dexter's Lab episode ever IMHO.
- 02:14:08 [goat_lord]
- I am not familar with Mr. Dexter. Where is his lab?
- 02:14:10 [markd2]
- all I can think about is the goatse.cx site. (do *not* visit)
- 02:14:20 [rbm]
- goat_lord: Dexter's Lab is a cartoon aired at Cartoon Network.
- 02:14:36 [rbm]
- It's an awesome cartoon.
- 02:16:45 [goat_lord]
- goat_lord is now known as markd2`s_sheperd
- 02:17:05 [markd2]
- the goat_lord is my sheperd, I shall not want
- 02:17:15 [markd2]
- he maketh me answer oracle question
- 02:17:22 [markd2]
- he annoyest my head. my tub runneth over
- 02:17:48 [markd2`s_sheperd]
- come follow me, and I shall make ye fishers of SDM bug reports.
- 02:18:18 [markd2]
- bSDM
- 02:19:23 [markd2`s_sheperd]
- can I get a headcount of doms vs. subs?
- 02:20:16 [markd2`s_sheperd]
- oops... I read markd2's msg as 'bDSM'.
- 02:20:39 [markd2]
- close enough for this crowd
- 02:20:45 [markd2]
- we're all Vinod's whipping boys
- 02:20:50 [vinod]
- * vinod uncovers eyes and checks if it's ok to start reading again
- 02:20:55 [vinod]
- * vinod closes eyes
- 02:21:18 [rbm]
- YES! /me is _finally_ partially SCSIfied
- 02:22:09 [markd2]
- strangely enough, that fits in the current thread of conversation
- 02:22:14 [markd2]
- markd2 is now known as scsi_goat
- 02:22:19 [markd2`s_sheperd]
- man, I miss san francisco.
- 02:22:26 [scsi_goat]
- uhhhh
- 02:22:29 [scsi_goat]
- scsi_goat is now known as markd2
- 02:23:17 [markd2`s_sheperd]
- there was this one guy who has a dungeon in his house in Noe -- with several computers on the LAN down there.
- 02:23:33 [markd2`s_sheperd]
- So you can get beaten and check your email concurrently, to save time.
- 02:24:17 [markd2]
- that rules
- 02:24:27 [vinod]
- that business plan must be an interesting read
- 02:24:28 [markd2]
- BDSMTP
- 02:25:45 [vinod]
- "the market for sadomasochistic email users is expected to increase by 200% by the year 2002 and by monetizing these ... blah blah blah"
- 02:25:47 [markd2`s_sheperd]
- it's not a shop, just some guy's house. But you know how wierd the public/private boundary becomes when your place is a regular party fixture.
- 02:30:28 [markd2`s_sheperd]
- SMLDAP: seamlessly maintain DM information for slaves across your enterprise!
- 02:30:33 [markd2`s_sheperd]
- I'll get right on it.
- 02:31:01 [markd2`s_sheperd]
- markd2`s_sheperd is now known as xenopsychologist
- 02:33:05 [markd2`s_goat]
- markd2`s_goat is now known as Sleepiephylax
- 02:33:08 [Sleepiephylax]
- later all
- 02:33:12 [markd2]
- 'nite
- 02:33:13 [Sleepiephylax]
- <--needs sleep
- 02:33:58 [vinod]
- vinod has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
- 02:34:04 [xenopsychologist]
- who is /\w+phylax/, anyway?
- 02:34:06 [vinod_]
- vinod_ (~vinod@209-122-233-7.s1817.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs
- 02:34:22 [vinod_]
- vinod_ is now known as vinod
- 02:34:28 [Sleepiephylax]
- I am not /\w+phylax/
- 02:34:56 [xenopsychologist]
- perhaps /\w+phylax/i?
- 02:35:00 [Sleepiephylax]
- bah
- 02:35:02 [Sleepiephylax]
- No use
- 02:35:04 [Sleepiephylax]
- * Sleepiephylax goes to bed
- 02:36:11 [xenopsychologist]
- * xenopsychologist should prescribe *phylax something dangerous.
- 02:38:52 [xenopsychologist]
- I, too, shall go. Night, all.
- 02:39:11 [xenopsychologist]
- xenopsychologist has quit ()
- 02:47:26 [talli]
- talli (talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs
- 02:48:01 [talli]
- rbm: dunno if you saw, but todd gillespie may help update the psets
- 02:50:38 [ChanServ]
- [#OpenACS] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog
- 02:51:21 [xenopsychologist]
- xenopsychologist (~chatzilla@adsl-216-62-223-193.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs
- 02:51:24 [xenopsychologist]
- xenopsychologist is now known as denshi
- 02:51:48 [denshi]
- Ah, hell. I was going to go home, but now talli's back.
- 02:52:49 [denshi]
- Talli, I wrote an email for your last questions when I got back (you had already left). But let me explain what my planning for psets.
- 02:53:46 [denshi]
- ping?
- 02:55:48 [talli]
- hey denshi
- 02:55:57 [talli]
- didn't see you there
- 02:56:00 [denshi]
- LAG!
- 02:56:04 [talli]
- sorry :)
- 02:56:13 [talli]
- i'm three hours ahead, you know
- 02:56:15 [denshi]
- i've been nick swapping.
- 02:56:20 [talli]
- it takes a while for your words to catch up
- 02:56:27 [denshi]
- only one, nowadays.
- 02:56:33 [talli]
- have you? so i should be careful in talking shit?
- 02:56:35 [denshi]
- I'm in Texas.
- 02:56:42 [talli]
- sorry, two hours :)
- 02:57:08 [denshi]
- anyway, here's my planning for psets.
- 02:57:22 [talli]
- what is your latest gig now? and what do you like about ruby? (not a language war...) ok, answer those afterwards
- 02:57:35 [denshi]
- gah!
- 02:57:54 [denshi]
- copying and pasting from my email (unsent)...
- 02:58:26 [denshi]
- I am working in Dallas as a video editor. I seem to have an odd collection of skills. Come this summer, I will return to UT Austin to finish my degree, as a recession is a fine time to be trapped within the stifling, perverted grasp of undergraduate education.
- 02:58:36 [denshi]
- ns_ruby....
- 02:58:48 [talli]
- ha!
- 02:58:50 [denshi]
- 1. Tcl sucks. And I am tired of it sucks.
- 02:58:59 [denshi]
- oops.. I am tired of it sucking.
- 02:59:00 [talli]
- you still haven't finished your degree? loser. :)
- 02:59:14 [denshi]
- indeed. Poverty sucks.
- 02:59:18 [talli]
- :)
- 02:59:32 [talli]
- well, you seem to know your shit well enough with that silly little piece of paper
- 02:59:43 [denshi]
- I left school at 19, and after 4 years of school I was broker than Enron.
- 02:59:45 [talli]
- i hope your getting a degree in something worthwhile, like literature
- 02:59:54 [markd2]
- or Art History
- 03:00:07 [talli]
- you brokered for enron or are as broke as enron? either way...
- 03:00:40 [talli]
- what do you like about ruby vis a vis python or perl?
- 03:01:19 [denshi]
- I have been refactoring the Scoop code base, which is just a big mess of mod_perl. I don't remember why I picked it up.
- 03:01:38 [denshi]
- But not until now, like three weeks ago, did I realize perl sucks.
- 03:02:00 [denshi]
- I've been using it for four years now and only now has that dawned on me.
- 03:02:07 [talli]
- perl is a bit scary
- 03:02:14 [denshi]
- So I think I'm going to major in 'Grasping the Obvious'.
- 03:02:26 [talli]
- haha
- 03:02:31 [markd2]
- ah. elementary education
- 03:02:35 [denshi]
- Python is kind of weak -- meaning it doesn't really fix much.
- 03:02:43 [talli]
- how do you mean?
- 03:02:50 [denshi]
- http://www.paulgraham.com/fix.html
- 03:03:08 [talli]
- yeah, i read through that today. thought it was cool
- 03:03:43 [denshi]
- Paul Graham draws a nice list of languages and explains their role by what they fix. I don't think Python fixes too much beyond Perl, and what it does fix, namely a throughly redone object system, it doesn't do well enough.
- 03:03:58 [talli]
- i see.
- 03:04:12 [talli]
- i've read that some think that ruby is more OO than python
- 03:04:25 [denshi]
- The most recent release fixes that to some degree, ie, brings the python object system almost up to where Ruby is.
- 03:05:18 [markd2]
- heh. Basic: Fortran is scary
- 03:06:15 [denshi]
- And the indentation-as-syntax always bugged me. I never knew why, until someone pointed out where Python got it from. It's from a niche teaching language with a nifty interactive system, where the indentation is used to show blocks in the entry.
- 03:07:24 [denshi]
- so, sort of like how LISP is impossible to use without a parens-matching editor, Python is silly to use without that entry system.
- 03:08:37 [denshi]
- http://www.paulgraham.com/reesoo.html
- 03:10:01 [denshi]
- the link gives a good list of point that typify OO languages. It's good to know, as, well, "Because OO is a moving target, OO zealots will choose some subset of this menu by whim and then use it to try to convince you that you are a loser."
- 03:10:39 [denshi]
- Ruby is more OO than Python because of 4,5 & 6.
- 03:11:10 [vinod]
- denshi: i was just gonna paste that quote :-)
- 03:11:37 [denshi]
- vinod: who's your goat lord?!
- 03:11:50 [vinod]
- * vinod bows at denshi's feet
- 03:12:11 [denshi]
- But I think the original question was my motivation for ns_ruby in particular.
- 03:12:16 [talli]
- uh, excuse me, vinod?
- 03:12:31 [markd2]
- vinod has a foot fetish
- 03:12:39 [vinod]
- talli: pay attention - denshi's talkin to ya
- 03:13:02 [vinod]
- always wanted to be a podiatrist, but didn't realize they had their own schools
- 03:13:04 [denshi]
- first, tcl sucks.
- 03:13:28 [denshi]
- second, the only apps, by and large, worth writing at the moment are web apps.
- 03:14:02 [denshi]
- third: I like Ruby, for the reasons above, and others, and I see a bright future for it.
- 03:14:23 [rzolf]
- rzolf (~rolf@adsl-21-208-25.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs
- 03:14:50 [denshi]
- Hey, Rolf. Little ruby talk going on.. might want to grab the logs.
- 03:15:44 [hazmat]
- * hazmat peeks in
- 03:16:06 [denshi]
- four: there are two schools of thought in writing web apps. One is to run within the web server, and have timing and general shape of the application defined by the pageflow nature of HTTP. The other is to wrap HTTP serving within a larger, monolithic, and almost certainly messier application.
- 03:16:52 [denshi]
- Some people seem to dig the latter, but as I percieve most web apps as glue layer between users and a RDBMS, the former is much more natural to me.
- 03:16:54 [rzolf]
- what is going on in here.
- 03:17:13 [talli]
- i gave a looksee the other day to see if there are any webapp frameworks or projects built in ruby
- 03:17:16 [talli]
- couldn't find any
- 03:17:41 [denshi]
- Taking that approach, nsd is the hands-down winner in that architecture. So I'm hacking it to support ruby, b/c I want the nsd architecture, and Ruby to write code.
- 03:17:51 [denshi]
- QED. My hands are getting tired.
- 03:17:55 [hazmat]
- i tend to disagree with your perspective on python, but i think we're both biased. i find python syntax more elegant's than ruby. ruby has some syntatic oddities that look distinctly perlish to me.
- 03:18:04 [talli]
- yeah, i mean, that's what i figured :)
- 03:18:09 [rzolf]
- what is ruby?
- 03:18:14 [hazmat]
- www.ruby-lang.org ?
- 03:18:36 [hazmat]
- ah. got the link right :)
- 03:18:44 [talli]
- but denshi, why do want OO in webapps? (that is a true war statement, right?)
- 03:19:16 [rzolf]
- i want OO in webaps.
- 03:19:17 [rzolf]
- er
- 03:19:19 [rzolf]
- web apps.
- 03:19:27 [markd2]
- i am OO in webapps
- 03:19:34 [hazmat]
- nutshell, reduce and reuse.
- 03:19:36 [denshi]
- There are actually several webapp frameworks in Ruby, but none come near nsd or the ACS. And since Tcl is core to nsd, ns_ruby can pass values between ACS-tcl and itself. So we can use ACS, and sometimes hack something new in Ruby.
- 03:20:09 [talli]
- ok.
- 03:20:14 [denshi]
- talli: that's both a good question and a funny question. But the answer is the same.
- 03:20:36 [rzolf]
- python seems pretty well suited to webapps.
- 03:20:46 [denshi]
- People who spend time around me note that I'll build something just to see if I'm wrong. I'm messing around with Ruby just to see if OO is a good plan.
- 03:20:48 [rzolf]
- you can learn the language in 5 hours.
- 03:20:58 [rzolf]
- and you can cook up something useful in 2 hours.
- 03:21:08 [rzolf]
- and there are a zillion libraries for it.
- 03:21:23 [rzolf]
- so for instance, writing "webmail" takes like 2 hours
- 03:21:40 [rzolf]
- whereas with aolserver/tcl it is nearly impossible because
- 03:21:42 [denshi]
- So far, Ruby is the best language where I can use OO without it getting in my way, unlike some things like Java where OO is a fragile mess mostly suited for generating lots of 'work' to impress suits.
- 03:21:50 [rzolf]
- there are no decent mail libs
- 03:21:51 [rzolf]
- for TCL
- 03:23:50 [denshi]
- call me selfish, but I just write apps to see if I like them. Maybe I'll like this.
- 03:24:21 [hazmat]
- denshi: i've been trying to find a good 'toy' app to use ruby for... any suggestions?
- 03:24:57 [denshi]
- dev work has stalled, considering the move & the decidedly NON-nsd job, but when I get a minute I really fly. Writing Ruby extensions is just stupid easy.
- 03:25:23 [rzolf]
- wait what is going on in here?
- 03:25:35 [rzolf]
- where is the place where we talk about the barbie jeep.
- 03:25:58 [denshi]
- wait.... is Barbie is the front or the back of the jeep?
- 03:26:10 [markd2]
- only after we hump that seal
- 03:26:13 [markd2]
- er, dog. or whatever
- 03:43:25 [denshi]
- mark, I *will* use the goats.
- 03:43:25 [rzolf]
- doc just fed me some "health drink" which seems to be sapping the power from my brain.
- 03:43:27 [denshi]
- talli, can we get back to the psets?
- 03:43:33 [denshi]
- lag!
- 03:43:33 [talli]
- sure denshi
- 03:43:34 [vinod]
- rzolf: health drink? that sounds scary
- 03:43:34 [rzolf]
- it was scary.
- 03:43:34 [rzolf]
- at first, i couldn't see.
- 03:43:34 [rzolf]
- then as i regained my vision, i kept hearing like...helicopters
- 03:43:34 [rzolf]
- or something?
- 03:43:34 [rzolf]
- but then i ran a 4:20 minute mile.
- 03:43:35 [vinod]
- hmmm.. blindness then cinchonism then mania - sounds like a combination of wood-alchol, aspirin and then cocaine
- 03:43:35 [talli]
- rzolf: wait till he gets you into those florida yoga classes...
- 03:43:35 [denshi]
- okay... the psets are cool, but they don't address the two biggest complaints newbies have with the ACS -- 1. it takes goddamn forever to build your first app, and 2. since the psets bring users in from the bottom up there isn't a strong effort to teach them the ACS APIs...so there is a lot of reinventing the wheel.
- 03:43:35 [denshi]
- I think I need to spend time with doc.
- 03:43:35 [rzolf]
- just tell the newbies to quit being such wimps.
- 03:43:35 [rzolf]
- and if they keep complaining, make them do it in C.
- 03:43:35 [vinod]
- haha
- 03:43:35 [denshi]
- rzolf! You'll never get the newbies into the back of the jeep talking like that.
- 03:43:40 [rzolf]
- i'm sick of all these newbies. taking our women, our jobs.
- 03:43:40 [denshi]
- http://www.goats.com/archive/010205.html
- 03:43:40 [rzolf]
- vinod: in africa, drinking wood alcohol is a big problem.
- 03:43:40 [rzolf]
- there are big billboards on the roadside
- 03:43:41 [rzolf]
- that say like "don't drink chang'aa...you'll go blind"
- 03:43:41 [rzolf]
- anyway, if there isn't anything for me to rant randomly about
- 03:43:41 [rzolf]
- i should probably get back to work.
- 03:43:41 [vinod]
- that sucks. it was a big problem during the prohibition here
- 03:43:41 [vinod]
- yeah, we're trying to stay on topic here
- 03:43:41 [rzolf]
- also, the new imac is cool
- 03:43:41 [vinod]
- way cool. once i get a real job, i'm gonna get one
- 03:43:41 [rzolf]
- aren't you a doctor.
- 03:43:41 [vinod]
- part-time
- 03:43:41 [rzolf]
- what's your excuse for not having a real job.
- 03:43:42 [vinod]
- laziness
- 03:43:42 [rzolf]
- heh
- 03:43:42 [vinod]
- i want to work 1 day a week and make gobs of money
- 03:43:42 [rzolf]
- can't you take some radiology classes.
- 03:43:42 [vinod]
- haha
- 03:43:42 [vinod]
- but then i have to consent to be turned into a troll
- 03:43:42 [vinod]
- they work in the dark and snarl if humans bother them
- 03:43:42 [denshi]
- this lag sucks. I'm going to go eat and sleep.
- 03:43:42 [vinod]
- kinda like programmers, i guess
- 03:43:42 [rzolf]
- yeah that sounds ideal.
- 03:43:42 [talli]
- speaking of trolls, anyone know any good camgirls to check out?
- 03:43:42 [rzolf]
- i'd rather be making $500,000/yr vs. $4000/yr
- 03:43:42 [rzolf]
- how do i get into this radiology thing.
- 03:43:42 [vinod]
- medschool,residency, etc
- 03:43:42 [rzolf]
- hm
- 03:43:42 [vinod]
- or marry a radiologist and sit on your ass at home
- 03:43:42 [rzolf]
- that sounds like it takes hard work, perseverence, etc.
- 03:43:42 [vinod]
- bummer, eh?
- 03:43:45 [rzolf]
- yeah.
- 03:43:56 [rzolf]
- hey how do you get to be the guy that makes the radiology software.
- 03:44:09 [rzolf]
- that might be fun.
- 03:44:27 [vinod]
- i don't know who makes that stuff. there are a bunch of medical software companies up here in boston
- 03:44:30 [denshi]
- night guys
- 03:44:38 [rzolf]
- or it might be insanely hard and pays less than being a visual basic programmer.
- 03:45:23 [vinod]
- yeah - i can imagine doctors as being pain-in-the-ass clients, too
- 03:45:30 [denshi]
- rzolf, I know a NMR programmer in Ann Arbor. He makes more money than god and doesn't even have a high school diploma.
- 03:45:44 [rzolf]
- that's the weird thing about programming. it seems as though technical difficulty of a project is inversely proportional to compensation
- 03:45:54 [rzolf]
- denshi, thats good to konw.
- 03:46:39 [rzolf]
- denshi, can you put me in contact with him? ;-)
- 03:47:11 [rzolf]
- i just have no idea what you actually have to know to get into that field. hardcore DSP image processing, i'm guessing.
- 03:47:14 [denshi]
- he's a real freak. assembly viruses in school, pc games in austin, robotics in taiwan, medical in michigan...... there's a geek to which we can all aspire.
- 03:47:42 [denshi]
- I'll dig him up.
- 03:48:25 [denshi]
- hey! where's my illegal employment in japan!
- 03:48:32 [rzolf]
- oh yeah.
- 03:48:38 [rzolf]
- actually...you dont want to do that.
- 03:48:50 [markd2]
- yeah
- 03:48:54 [denshi]
- hahahah
- 03:48:56 [markd2]
- you end up AIMing your buddies at all sorts of weird hours of the night
- 03:48:59 [rzolf]
- the problem with illegally working in japan. is you have no legal recourse
- 03:49:06 [rzolf]
- when the client doesnt pay you.
- 03:49:15 [denshi]
- rzolf has been deported..
- 03:49:37 [denshi]
- rzolf! When the client doesn't pay you, you pop a cap in his ass! That's the law of the street.
- 03:49:47 [rzolf]
- honestly, working in japan is a bad idea, unless you are working for an american company.
- 03:50:38 [rzolf]
- i popped a cap in their web server.
- 03:51:05 [rzolf]
- and am ignoring the pleas to restart it unless i see $5000 in my bank account.
- 03:51:16 [rzolf]
- * rzolf shrugs
- 03:51:22 [denshi]
- ouch
- 03:51:43 [denshi]
- what's henry up to?
- 03:51:54 [rzolf]
- i dont know. he moved to boston.
- 03:53:09 [denshi]
- one of these days I'm going to compute the graph of openacsers.
- 03:53:32 [rzolf]
- i'm giving up on #openacs.
- 03:53:40 [rzolf]
- i'm getting my MBA.
- 03:53:55 [markd2]
- you're too short for basketball
- 03:54:04 [rzolf]
- i played bball the other day.
- 03:54:22 [denshi]
- I'm going to split before rzolf finds a rebuttal.
- 03:54:26 [denshi]
- night.
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- 03:56:00 [vinod]
- rzolf: what about med school?
- 03:56:18 [rzolf]
- i'm trying to figure out something
- 03:56:38 [rzolf]
- i'd like to go to med school but that means i wont be working again until I'm like... 40
- 03:57:45 [vinod]
- yeah... i wouldn't recommend it unless you really loved it
- 03:57:51 [rzolf]
- thats the thing though.
- 03:57:58 [rzolf]
- that always confused me.
- 03:58:13 [rzolf]
- how do the doctors know they "Really Love It" before they go to medical school?
- 03:59:12 [vinod]
- most don't. we go into it becuz we think it's a great profession.
- 03:59:37 [vinod]
- a lot of people will find that they love it as they go along, but a lot end up kinda miserable
- 03:59:38 [rzolf]
- i think it is pretty cool.
- 03:59:58 [rzolf]
- at this point, i'm just sort of looking for something
- 04:00:06 [vinod]
- it is really cool - i love seeing patients
- 04:00:15 [rzolf]
- where I don't make $200,000K 1 year, then $2000 the next year.
- 04:00:16 [vinod]
- i'll probably go back to being a full time MD soon
- 04:01:46 [vinod]
- i'm thinking of getting a real job and moving to nyc
- 04:01:59 [rzolf]
- whoa... "elite"
- 04:02:07 [rzolf]
- nyc is sweet.
- 04:02:17 [rzolf]
- i love brooklyn.
- 04:02:21 [vinod]
- yeah - i'm getting sick of boston
- 04:02:21 [rzolf]
- and manhattan, for that matter.
- 04:02:23 [rzolf]
- and queens.
- 04:02:26 [vinod]
- but talli is in brooklyn
- 04:02:30 [rzolf]
- staten island however...
- 04:02:34 [vinod]
- so it'd have to be manhattan
- 04:03:00 [vinod]
- never been to staten island. i've spent time in nj though
- 04:03:09 [rzolf]
- i dont mind new jersey.
- 04:03:47 [vinod]
- yeah, it's not too bad. hoboken is pretty cool
- 04:04:01 [rzolf]
- i dont think i will move back there, though.
- 04:04:08 [vinod]
- how long were you there?
- 04:04:10 [rzolf]
- because i sort of like open space now.
- 04:04:12 [rzolf]
- 1 year.
- 04:04:23 [markd2]
- just wait
- 04:04:28 [vinod]
- yeah - i don't think i could stay there too long
- 04:04:28 [markd2]
- everything will be paved over eventually
- 04:04:56 [rzolf]
- ugh
- 04:05:02 [rzolf]
- i like pavement though.
- 04:05:05 [rzolf]
- skateboarding is fun.
- 04:05:08 [vinod]
- eventually, i'll find some non-paved space in the middle of wisconsin and settle down
- 04:05:36 [rzolf]
- brb
- 04:09:29 [rzolf]
- wisconsin is nice.
- 04:09:50 [markd2]
- too bad minnesota is such a barren wasteland
- 04:10:14 [rzolf]
- heh
- 04:10:39 [rzolf]
- mn is ok.
- 04:10:41 [vinod]
- i liked minneso-duh, too
- 04:10:49 [talli]
- mn has many attractive ladies
- 04:10:55 [rzolf]
- i like the high plains now.
- 04:11:12 [vinod]
- markd2's house looks like it could house a few extra programmers
- 04:11:17 [rzolf]
- because there is absolutely nothing to do there.
- 04:11:24 [rzolf]
- so i dont feel bad about doing nothing.
- 04:11:28 [markd2]
- we an put you up in the barn
- 04:11:37 [markd2]
- Backhoe Bill hasn't filled it up critters yet
- 04:11:50 [rzolf]
- i'm sad, i kind of wanted to argue about python and stuff.
- 04:12:05 [markd2]
- Python rulesucks!
- 04:12:06 [talli]
- openacs should be rebuilt in python.
- 04:12:07 [vinod]
- i love listening to the arguments
- 04:12:12 [talli]
- how's that to start an argument?
- 04:12:16 [vinod]
- unfortunately, i have nothing intelligent to offer
- 04:12:23 [vinod]
- i guess that doesn't stop talli though
- 04:12:26 [markd2]
- * markd2 makes some dumb-ass commet
- 04:12:35 [talli]
- nope, that never stops me
- 04:12:39 [vinod]
- :-)
- 04:12:50 [rzolf]
- python is nice.
- 04:12:55 [rzolf]
- its all good.
- 04:12:57 [rzolf]
- peace.
- 04:13:16 [markd2]
- and on that note, I must sleep before I destroy someone's oracle db tomorrow
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- 04:18:44 [rzolf]
- i should finish up some work.
- 04:19:40 [rzolf]
- l8r.
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- 05:04:32 [hazmat]
- ruby has its good points, but i like python better.
- 05:07:43 [vinod]
- i haven't used either yet, but it seems that python has more tools/docs/users
- 05:08:29 [vinod]
- i've been playing with the twisted-matrix server and trying to look at the internals
- 05:11:40 [hazmat]
- twisted is a marvelous creation, great for async i/o. its packaged really well with several protcols and sample apps. i still haven't had a need to use it yet, cause all i seem to be doing is webapps nowadays... sigh..
- 05:13:10 [vinod]
- i'm not really doing much of either - just playing around trying to see what's out there :-)
- 05:13:26 [vinod]
- what are you using for your webapps?
- 05:13:42 [hazmat]
- zope
- 05:13:59 [hazmat]
- loggy off
- 05:14:47 [hazmat]
- loggy, silence
- 05:15:49 [hazmat]
- loggy, silence
- 05:16:49 [hazmat]
- we need some more bots in here.
- 05:17:09 [vinod]
- i've been meaning to look at zope for like a year now, but i'm slow
- 05:17:12 [vinod]
- haha
- 05:18:19 [vinod]
- i need to get deep into something before i really understand what i'm doing.
- 05:18:39 [vinod]
- it took me a month of using acs on a daily basis to understand it
- 05:41:21 [hazmat]
- learning others get faster as you learn one more. or such that i've noticed.
- 05:45:08 [vinod]
- alright - i'm putting zope on my to-learn list
- 05:50:50 [hazmat]
- its taken me a long time to achieve mastery of zope... things are easier now since the docs are *much* better. but what i was saying about learning one framework (regardless of which) is that you come to appreciate certain features of frameworks and understand a frameworks style, it becomes easier to learn others. i think this applies more so to programming languages.
- 05:51:10 [hazmat]
- s/that/that as
- 05:53:18 [vinod]
- yeah, that makes sense. i've gotten a little addicted to openacs - i actually like tcl :-)
- 05:55:20 [beattiek]
- haha
- 05:55:33 [beattiek]
- vinod: whats your doctors number?
- 05:55:43 [vinod]
- i probably shouldn't have admitted that in public, huh?
- 05:57:01 [beattiek]
- you are in a safe place.
- 05:57:21 [beattiek]
- i just mentioned tcl in debian-kde and almost got shot by one guy.
- 05:57:39 [vinod]
- haha
- 06:04:58 [jim]
- hi
- 06:06:30 [vinod]
- hey jim
- 06:07:07 [jim]
- vinod: heya :) umm, got a missing item for your install guide
- 06:07:44 [vinod]
- cool. what'd i miss?
- 06:09:08 [jim]
- if they build postgres in /usr/local/pgsql, they'll get file not found when they try to open postgres connection until they get /usr/local/pgsql/lib in LD_LIBRARY_PATH
- 06:09:38 [jim]
- (under linux with its ld.so that is)
- 06:10:29 [jim]
- I'm running debian potato, but I built everything up from source
- 06:11:01 [jim]
- (not presently trusting debian aolserver maint to be responsive to bug reports)
- 06:11:39 [vinod]
- i noticed that too, so i moved the 'set up postgres's environment variables' section up a little bit
- 06:11:43 [vinod]
- http://kurup.com/acs/openacs4/postgres.html#install-postgres-env
- 06:12:16 [jim]
- oop, looky there, you got it :)
- 06:12:22 [vinod]
- this sets LD_LIBRARY_PATH in postgres's user (i also explain to set it in nsadmin's env)
- 06:12:30 [vinod]
- i had it lower down before though
- 06:12:39 [vinod]
- so, i probably fixed it after you saw it
- 06:12:51 [jim]
- oh, so it was there the whole time and I didn't get to it...
- 06:13:26 [vinod]
- yeah - thanks for letting me know about it though. any other stumbling blocks?
- 06:15:45 [jim]
- well, I'm finding bugs in the peripheral packages... however the package mgr seems to work fine...
- 06:16:09 [jim]
- one thing I found about aD's apm, the deps didn't work
- 06:16:57 [vinod]
- in what way? i've found problems where the deps were set wrong (circular), but i thought that the apm did the right thing
- 06:17:02 [jim]
- when I get around to porting my ps2-so-far, I'll know more
- 06:17:23 [jim]
- well, I have reserve and schedule pkgs, reserve depended on schedule
- 06:18:10 [jim]
- the dep didn't work right, and it's been awhile since I looked at it.. I have not attempted on oacs yet
- 06:18:31 [vinod]
- oh - ok. i know don fixed a lot of stuff in the apm
- 06:18:37 [vinod]
- for openacs
- 06:18:54 [jim]
- I don't remember specifics, I just remember thinking that debian has much deep knowledge about deps in general; something to learn there
- 06:19:14 [vinod]
- true - debian makes pkg installation nearly brainless
- 06:19:48 [jim]
- yeah... I want to see if a package can be installed in places like users home dir
- 06:22:10 [jim]
- but I was just thinking oacs might peruse their archives
- 06:22:53 [jim]
- * jim thinks about resurecting perl-aol project
- 06:25:17 [jim]
- * jim is trying to understand etp...
- 06:25:52 [jim]
- no doc link
- 06:25:58 [vinod]
- i haven't used it much yet
- 06:26:08 [vinod]
- there's supposed to be docs somewhere
- 06:26:43 [jim]
- I tried mounting it, and it tried etp-ing itself, so I have the paradigm wrong
- 06:27:31 [vinod]
- there's some info here: http://etp.museatech.net/etpdoc/
- 06:27:43 [vinod]
- not sure how up-to-date it is
- 06:37:52 [jim]
- looking
- 06:39:32 [jim]
- what's a .vuh?
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- 06:44:12 [vinod]
- i think it's a virtual-url-handler.
- 06:44:18 [vinod]
- lemme find the docs
- 06:46:09 [jim]
- no need yet; I understand on that surface, which is good enuf for now]\
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- 06:46:57 [hazmat]
- vuh's are documented in the request processor docs for the kernel.
- 06:47:10 [vinod]
- http://developer.arsdigita.com/doc/rp-design.html
- 06:50:23 [jim]
- bookmarked
- 06:50:30 [jim]
- tnx :)
- 06:51:24 [vinod]
- np
- 06:51:59 [jim]
- btw, how did you find the etp stuff?
- 06:54:10 [vinod]
- i just remembered that museatech had a demo site up. i assume those docs will eventually make it into CVS
- 07:00:44 [hazmat]
- the etp stuff is a pretty good demo of some of the flexibility of the cr.
- 07:00:47 [hazmat]
- imo.
- 07:09:00 [vinod]
- * vinod is compiling zope!
- 07:09:20 [vinod]
- took me a while to figure out i needed the python-dev headers, too
- 07:09:42 [hazmat]
- * hazmat falls out of his chair.
- 07:10:47 [vinod]
- haha - i told ya i was slow :)
- 07:13:38 [vinod]
- wow, well installation is a breeze
- 07:14:24 [beattiek]
- ACS 4 i assume?
- 07:16:16 [vinod]
- beattiek: no, zope
- 07:18:07 [beattiek]
- oh
- 07:18:11 [beattiek]
- zope is cool
- 07:18:34 [beattiek]
- my business partner is into zope
- 07:18:48 [vinod]
- hazmat: do you tend to use zodb or do you connect to postgres
- 07:19:37 [hazmat]
- zodb, i have used in conjunction with pg before (to openacs datamodel as well), but to be honest most apps really don't need it.
- 07:20:22 [hazmat]
- to answer that fully (via comparison) would require a whole lot of discussion ;)
- 07:20:59 [vinod]
- yeah - i figured ;-) just wanted the quick answer for now
- 07:29:31 [hazmat]
- vinod: what browser are you using?
- 07:29:56 [vinod]
- mozilla 0.9.7
- 07:30:21 [hazmat]
- cool, check this out http://www.zope.org/Members/k_vertigo/mozilla/zope.xul
- 07:30:44 [hazmat]
- its a xul based sidebar for mozilla, (which is why it might look strange full screen).
- 07:31:15 [hazmat]
- search stuff doesn't work yet.
- 07:31:32 [hazmat]
- but the drop menus downs are nice.
- 07:32:21 [vinod]
- schweeet!
- 07:32:32 [vinod]
- that's the way i like dropdowns to work. not on rollover
- 07:34:21 [hazmat]
- btw. there are a couple of bugs in mozilla that might cause problems with the zope management interfaces.
- 07:34:31 [hazmat]
- in mozilla 0.9.7 that is.
- 07:35:40 [hazmat]
- namely on forms with file uploads and frames it tends to hang unless there the file upload entry is non empty. i'm not sure what the exact bug is, but its been fixed in the nightlies or so i've been told.
- 07:36:32 [vinod]
- cool - i'll keep that in mind
- 07:39:37 [vinod]
- just got the page into my sidebar - it does look better there :-)
- 07:43:38 [hazmat]
- cool. i should stop procrastinating and do some work before i fall asleep.
- 07:44:44 [vinod]
- sounds good. i should probably be getting to sleep!
- 07:44:47 [vinod]
- gnite
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- Too damn early :-/
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- 13:22:36 [Psychophylax]
- oops
- 13:22:39 [Psychophylax]
- Psychophylax is now known as Psychephylax
- 13:36:37 [davb]
- davb (~dave@208.136.23.203) has joined #openacs
- 13:36:47 [chump]
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- 13:36:53 [davb]
- Hello!
- 13:36:57 [markd2]
- hiy
- 13:36:59 [markd2]
- a
- 14:18:28 [davb]
- WTF happened yesterday when I was gone??
- 14:18:34 [davb]
- * davb is reading the logs
- 14:18:41 [markd2]
- depends
- 14:18:47 [markd2]
- is this the goat thing
- 14:18:54 [markd2]
- or the ruby vs pythpon thing?
- 14:20:23 [davb]
- heh
- 14:20:35 [davb]
- Actually that is very useful. Ruby is on my list of languages to learn.
- 14:20:44 [davb]
- and ns_ruby makes it very cool.
- 14:21:15 [davb]
- the ruby thing not the goat thing :)
- 14:21:54 [Workiephylax]
- bah
- 14:22:20 [Workiephylax]
- I was hoping it was the goat thing
- 14:22:57 [Workiephylax]
- it took me waaay too long to drive here
- 14:26:07 [Workiephylax]
- I wonder if I should have done more at the accident scene....*sigh*
- 14:41:18 [Workiephylax]
- anyone alive?
- 14:43:12 [markd2]
- * markd2 decomposes
- 14:43:16 [Workiephylax]
- lol
- 14:43:57 [Workiephylax]
- Now, as I understand it, it is possible to connect through SSH to a computer without typing in the password every time
- 14:44:00 [Workiephylax]
- Is this true?
- 14:44:37 [markd2]
- yes
- 14:44:51 [Workiephylax]
- Do you know how to set that up?
- 14:44:58 [Workiephylax]
- I'm sick of typing in passwords :-/
- 14:45:11 [markd2]
- http://badgertronics.com/knowledge/one.adp?parent=25
- 14:45:11 [chump]
- A: http://badgertronics.com/knowledge/one.adp?parent=25 from markd2
- 14:45:16 [markd2]
- look for "using ssh without a password"
- 14:45:27 [markd2]
- A:| part of markd's knowledge base.
- 14:45:27 [chump]
- titled item A
- 14:45:43 [djg]
- i saw a very interesting lecture on "ssh traffic analysis" at the ccc congress
- 14:45:55 [markd2]
- do tell
- 14:46:15 [djg]
- well, it was more on https ;)
- 14:46:20 [djg]
- but a bit on ssh as wll
- 14:46:30 [Workiephylax]
- pssst...
- 14:46:37 [djg]
- first thing you learn is: a talks to b
- 14:46:40 [Workiephylax]
- What's a remost?
- 14:46:45 [markd2]
- remote host
- 14:46:55 [Workiephylax]
- ok, then why did you write on the remost host
- 14:47:19 [djg]
- then you learn about the size of the ip packets exchanged
- 14:49:26 [djg]
- http://www.ccc.de/congress/2001/fahrplan/event/333.de.html <- that's a better summary
- 14:49:26 [chump]
- B: http://www.ccc.de/congress/2001/fahrplan/event/333.de.html from djg
- 14:50:29 [Workiephylax]
- bah
- 14:50:33 [Workiephylax]
- have to go to do stuff
- 15:17:45 [jim]
- B|How to analyse encrypted IP traffic to determine patterns of user behavior
- 15:18:08 [jim]
- B | How to analyse encrypted IP traffic to determine patterns of user behavior
- 15:18:31 [jim]
- B| How to analyse encrypted IP traffic to determine patterns of user behavior
- 15:18:49 [jim]
- B How to analyse encrypted IP traffic to determine patterns of user behavior
- 15:18:56 [jim]
- it won't do it :P
- 15:18:59 [davb]
- :)
- 15:19:10 [davb]
- B:|How to analyse encrypted IP traffic to determine patterns of user behavior
- 15:19:11 [chump]
- titled item B
- 15:19:33 [jim]
- tnx :)
- 15:19:42 [davb]
- np
- 15:19:53 [davb]
- I need to put up a little page about chump on of these days.
- 15:20:55 [Workiephylax]
- Ok I am very confused
- 15:21:18 [Workiephylax]
- I get the bit about generating a key pair and uploading it
- 15:21:33 [Workiephylax]
- It's the where to upload it that gets me..the dir not the host :P
- 15:21:59 [markd2]
- on the machine you want to ssh from, run ssh-keygen
- 15:22:21 [Workiephylax]
- It's a windows client...it generates funky keys
- 15:22:21 [markd2]
- on the machine you want to ssh into, copy identity.pub into your .ssh/authorized_keys
- 15:22:48 [markd2]
- if you're in windows land, you're on your own
- 15:22:52 [Workiephylax]
- Heh
- 15:23:50 [Workiephylax]
- My key looks like this
- 15:23:52 [Workiephylax]
- ---- BEGIN SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ----
- 15:23:52 [Workiephylax]
- Comment: "[1024-bit dsa, Nikolay Blyumberg@hugo, Tue Jan 08 2002 15:07\
- 15:23:52 [Workiephylax]
- :29]"
- 15:23:52 [Workiephylax]
- AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAACBAKCuOTwU3P6mcz+CcqrZo3g4GLrDQ+ockHGbUfys06xN6nQ7Mo
- 15:23:59 [Workiephylax]
- ...more...
- 15:24:06 [Workiephylax]
- V6yRi
- 15:24:06 [Workiephylax]
- l+8rXlu7F1J7oywswg==
- 15:24:06 [Workiephylax]
- ---- END SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ----
- 15:24:12 [djg]
- yeah that's okay for a key
- 15:24:20 [markd2]
- looks like a key to me
- 15:24:33 [Workiephylax]
- but my identity.pub on the machine I go to ssh looks like this:
- 15:24:42 [Workiephylax]
- 1024 35 135933456347712
- 15:24:45 [Workiephylax]
- ...more...
- 15:24:51 [Workiephylax]
- 6179 nsadmin@oacs
- 15:25:00 [Workiephylax]
- Big difference if you ask me
- 15:25:33 [markd2]
- do you have an identiy.pub locally (not a key)?
- 15:25:48 [Workiephylax]
- Elaborate on locally
- 15:25:59 [markd2]
- on your windows box
- 15:26:32 [Workiephylax]
- no
- 15:26:43 [markd2]
- oh well. windows land, on own, etc
- 15:27:19 [Workiephylax]
- I have a number of *.pub keys that look like key_22_ip.pub
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- 15:35:48 [Workiephylax]
- Aha
- 15:35:52 [Workiephylax]
- There's a difference
- 15:35:59 [Workiephylax]
- ssh v1 vs ssh v2
- 15:36:15 [Workiephylax]
- * Workiephylax wanders off to the Bronx but promises to figure this all out later
- 15:36:21 [Workiephylax]
- Workiephylax is now known as Bronxiephylax
- 15:38:50 [davb]
- http://www.picturebookart.org/home/grid.html
- 15:38:50 [chump]
- C: http://www.picturebookart.org/home/grid.html from davb
- 15:38:59 [davb]
- C:|Eric Carle Museam of Picture Book Art
- 15:38:59 [chump]
- titled item C
- 15:39:32 [vinod]
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- 15:42:13 [davb]
- hi vinod!
- 15:43:40 [vinod]
- hey davb!
- 15:43:46 [markd2]
- yo markd2!
- 15:44:10 [vinod]
- i see markd2 is talkin to himself again
- 15:44:17 [markd2]
- * markd2 mumbles
- 15:44:28 [markd2]
- it's because loggy won't talk to me any more
- 15:44:38 [davb]
- davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit http://openacs.org
- 15:45:18 [vinod]
- what about Psychephylax? he talks to anybody, even Bronxiephylax
- 15:45:28 [vinod]
- Bronxiephylax?
- 15:45:41 [markd2]
- he asks me hard technical questions I can't answer without actually having to exert myself
- 15:45:47 [markd2]
- so can't have that
- 15:45:55 [davb]
- heh
- 15:46:53 [vinod]
- i thought you made most of those answers up anyway
- 15:47:00 [markd2]
- shhh!
- 15:47:02 [davb]
- shhhhhhhh!
- 15:47:03 [davb]
- :)
- 15:47:07 [markd2]
- heh
- 15:47:28 [davb]
- vinod has discovered our secret, he must be destroyed!
- 15:47:30 [vinod]
- oops - i thought the 30th time you said "just reinstall the os", he woulda figured it out
- 15:47:42 [vinod]
- haha
- 15:47:55 [vinod]
- * vinod hides behind chump
- 15:48:34 [markd2]
- heh
- 15:49:09 [davb]
- http://get.vin.od
- 15:49:09 [chump]
- D: http://get.vin.od from davb
- 15:50:42 [vinod]
- * vinod fights off HTTP GET's with 404's but he's running out quickly
- 15:51:14 [davb]
- borrow some from microsoft.com they are always creating them
- 15:51:21 [markd2]
- * markd2 hands vinod a couple of 808s
- 15:51:29 [markd2]
- you'll have to divide them
- 15:51:32 [vinod]
- haha
- 15:51:54 [vinod]
- borrow from microsoft? i think i'd have to order them through their website - no thanks
- 15:52:10 [markd2]
- oh speaking of radiologists
- 15:52:20 [markd2]
- my dad is one :-) So there are some that don't turn into trolls
- 15:52:27 [markd2]
- so there may be hope for you (or was it rzolf) yet
- 15:53:08 [vinod]
- actually most radiologists are cool and well-adjusted (cuz of the nice lifestyle)
- 15:53:26 [vinod]
- every once in a while you'll run into one who bites your head off for no reason
- 15:53:28 [markd2]
- plus you get to zap folks with radiation beams
- 15:53:49 [vinod]
- * vinod visualizes markd2 visiting dad's office to play with the xray beams
- 15:54:24 [vinod]
- "i know i can get superpowers if i just hit the right button"
- 15:54:28 [markd2]
- heh
- 15:54:40 [markd2]
- instead I got put in the office and wrote isoptope tracking systems
- 15:54:45 [vinod]
- lol
- 15:56:50 [markd2]
- he was into nuclear medicine too
- 16:01:12 [vinod]
- we internists call it 'unclear' medicine (it's always - "this could be really bad... or perhaps not... what do you think?")
- 16:03:06 [markd2]
- heh
- 16:03:20 [markd2]
- I'm amazed that they can look at these blurry grainy images and tell there's Stuff there
- 16:03:33 [markd2]
- but the toys they have to play with are a lot of fun
- 16:04:27 [vinod]
- yeah - it's actually quite useful, too (but we have to make fun of things we don't quite understand)
- 16:05:22 [markd2]
- but of course
- 16:05:42 [markd2]
- I had a chance to do a little graphics programming on a Siemens camera / visualization thingie
- 16:05:54 [markd2]
- had knobs and joysticks for controling the view / color ramp.
- 16:06:08 [markd2]
- unfortunately it ran RSX, and you could only do programming in FORTRAN
- 16:06:54 [vinod]
- * vinod now understands markd2's nostalgia for FORTRAN
- 16:07:05 [markd2]
- I ran fortran on an Apple ][
- 16:07:15 [markd2]
- which is a pretty perverted concept in and of itself
- 16:07:18 [vinod]
- haha
- 16:07:58 [vinod]
- i remember taking a class in junior high where we were sent off to Marquette Univ to learn FORTRAN for a wk
- 16:08:08 [vinod]
- we had to use punchcards and everything
- 16:08:22 [jim]
- markd2: remember the apple ][ UCSD pascal compiler?
- 16:08:28 [markd2]
- oooh yes
- 16:08:35 [markd2]
- the Apple fortran was part of that environment
- 16:08:55 [markd2]
- I was so excited when I discovered the UCSD editor could be used like a word processor
- 16:09:10 [markd2]
- I could do 80 columns and upper and lower case, on a 40 column Apple ][
- 16:09:34 [markd2]
- in high school, I took a fortran class at the university of arkansas / little rock. My first exposure to vaxes (or anything beyond the Apple ][)
- 16:14:13 [dlk]
- dlk is now known as s
- 16:14:22 [s]
- s is now known as dullk
- 16:16:12 [jim]
- just before 1980, I was in a company implementing forth for the apple
- 16:16:37 [markd2]
- cool
- 16:16:48 [markd2]
- I tihnk I was in 5th grade at that time :-)
- 16:16:53 [dullk]
- dullk is now known as dlk
- 16:18:19 [jim]
- ada came out around then, and the exception handling stuff interested me (typical catch/throw stuff without those names) and implemented a compiler and runtime for em
- 16:18:57 [markd2]
- cool
- 16:19:00 [markd2]
- in the UCSD environment?
- 16:19:08 [jim]
- no, in forth
- 16:19:51 [markd2]
- ah.
- 16:19:52 [markd2]
- cool
- 16:20:03 [markd2]
- did you work on any of the Mac forths?
- 16:21:02 [jim]
- I wrote the typical guess (you guess a number bet. 1-200) using the exception handling thing I implemented... I would "raise win" if they guessed right or "raise lose" if didn't guess in 8 tries
- 16:22:21 [jim]
- implemented that way, I think the source was under 2k
- 16:24:31 [jim]
- no, didn't own a mac until like 92
- 16:24:40 [markd2]
- okie
- 16:24:54 [markd2]
- one of my managers at AOL was one of the guys that did the original 1984 Mac Forth
- 16:25:20 [markd2]
- that poor machine was so memory starved, forth was about the only way to program on it in the early days
- 16:25:25 [jim]
- did he work on postscript?
- 16:25:32 [markd2]
- nope
- 16:25:35 [markd2]
- This was Dave Colburn
- 16:25:44 [jim]
- I knew dave :)
- 16:25:53 [markd2]
- really?!
- 16:26:02 [markd2]
- I think he's in California now
- 16:26:09 [markd2]
- he was my boss for a year and a half
- 16:26:23 [jim]
- I think so, he went to the fig mtgs and asilomar forml mtgs
- 16:26:38 [markd2]
- big guy, wears suspenders
- 16:26:47 [jim]
- brown hair?
- 16:26:53 [markd2]
- yeah
- 16:26:55 [markd2]
- good sense of humor
- 16:48:36 [jim]
- so that was like into the 90s?
- 16:48:56 [markd2]
- yea
- 16:49:04 [markd2]
- 95-97ish
- 16:49:33 [jim]
- recent
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- 17:36:13 [davb]
- Hi ola!
- 17:36:43 [ola]
- hi dave!
- 17:39:54 [davb]
- How is debian? Which window manager did you pick? :)
- 17:49:26 [ola]
- debian is fine, thanks. although I have to admit that playing around with window managers and OSs isn't half as fun as playing with OACS and the templating system and such things...(I'll stick with using xfce).
- 18:02:18 [jim]
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- 18:11:22 [davb]
- ah. yeah, building something new is more interesting.
- 18:12:02 [markd2]
- the Thrill of Creation
- 18:12:08 [markd2]
- the Agony of The Feet
- 18:14:40 [davb]
- I actually prefer using a good chair to standing during hacking.
- 18:18:14 [ola]
- I decided to give debian a try on this old AMD K6 166MHz 64MB box I'm on now, and I'm kind of impressed by linux. it feels about as swift as Win 2000 does on my other K6-2 450MHz with 128MB...
- 18:19:47 [markd2]
- Linux is awesome
- 18:20:18 [ola]
- yep
- 18:24:42 [ola]
- have anyone "used" the rss-support package?
- 18:24:59 [ola]
- s/have/has
- 18:26:33 [davb]
- not yet
- 18:26:52 [markd2]
- ETP is a simple CMS kidn of system, right?
- 18:27:00 [ola]
- yup
- 18:27:07 [davb]
- yes, but don't say that to talli.
- 18:27:12 [markd2]
- can it be used for newsletter kind of things?
- 18:27:19 [davb]
- it is very powerful
- 18:27:25 [markd2]
- like "here is the october edition of sporks anonymous. here is the december edition"
- 18:27:26 [davb]
- define newsletter
- 18:27:32 [davb]
- easy
- 18:27:42 [markd2]
- cool
- 18:27:43 [davb]
- you can have multiple sections.
- 18:27:47 [davb]
- with multiple pages
- 18:27:49 [markd2]
- does it have some kind of workflow?
- 18:28:02 [markd2]
- just something simple like submit / edit / publish
- 18:28:18 [davb]
- yes, but there isn't any sophisticated permissions.
- 18:28:30 [davb]
- If you have permission to submit, you can edit and publish.
- 18:28:51 [markd2]
- ok
- 18:28:56 [davb]
- I have to go setup for a demonstation bbiab
- 18:29:08 [markd2]
- thanks
- 18:30:47 [ola]
- markd2: you can play around with the upcoming version (I think/hope) at: http://demo.infiniteinfo.com/modetp
- 18:31:05 [markd2]
- ooooh
- 18:34:34 [vinod]
- * vinod anxiously awaits markd2's "Web Development in FORTRAN Newsletter"
- 18:34:44 [markd2]
- heh
- 18:34:59 [markd2]
- my dad is trying to talk the American Brahms Society into making an online version of their newsletter
- 18:35:03 [markd2]
- I'll probably be volunteered for it
- 18:35:11 [markd2]
- and I don't wnat to use the aD CMS jazz
- 18:36:10 [vinod]
- cool!
- 18:37:08 [vinod]
- i don't think the brahms society would appreciate you using any "jazz"
- 18:37:15 [vinod]
- where's my drumroll?
- 18:37:25 [markd2]
- ba-dum *bing*
- 18:37:32 [vinod]
- thanks ;-)
- 18:37:32 [markd2]
- oops. hit the cowbell there
- 18:38:06 [vinod]
- lol - thought it sounded a bit off
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- 20:45:40 [davb]
- markd2: i was thinking the same thing about that dilbert cartoon :)
- 20:47:44 [markd2]
- heh
- 20:48:28 [davb]
- nice snow beings also.
- 20:51:35 [markd2]
- thanks
- 20:51:41 [markd2]
- they're still out there
- 20:51:59 [davb]
- cool.
- 21:20:29 [markd2]
- http://www.bigempire.com/postittheater/
- 21:20:29 [chump]
- E: http://www.bigempire.com/postittheater/ from markd2
- 21:20:34 [markd2]
- E:| Post-It note theater
- 21:20:34 [chump]
- titled item E
- 21:23:43 [davb]
- excellent. I'll check it out later. Time to go :)
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- 21:37:24 [ola]
- heh. ice fishin' is pretty lame
- 21:38:30 [markd2]
- heh
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