00:15:33 may i ask an emacs question without being ridiculed? 00:18:59 talli: of course 00:19:14 thanks 00:19:38 so i downloaded emacs, although because i'm on a 56k connection i downloaded the binary only 00:20:07 i would like to install norman walsh's docbook IDE which requires that i add some things to the .emacs file 00:20:26 if i did not download the sources, do i have a .emacs file? if so, where can i find it? 00:21:02 argh. only 27 reactions now. 00:21:28 talli: you're on windows right? 00:21:40 yes, on windows 00:21:53 what are referring to about reactions, rbm? 00:21:54 Then declare an enviroment variable on your autoexec.bat with "SET HOME=\some 00:21:58 Then declare an enviroment variable on your autoexec.bat with "SET HOME=\some\dir" 00:22:06 and emacs will search for your .emacs there 00:22:29 If this is on Win2k, then you do that on the control panel somewhere 00:23:20 Psychephylax: how do I change the meny font size in xfce? Its huge! 00:23:21 does that mean i have a .emacs file? 00:23:33 You probabaly have to create one. 00:23:51 couldn't you just search for it? 00:23:55 i tried 00:23:58 nothing there 00:24:20 There is probably a sample one around somewhere. 00:24:47 talli: I can send you mine if you want 00:24:59 Or you can use one of the many in dotfiles.org 00:25:11 dotfiles.com (i was just there :) 00:25:16 thanks, i'll check out dotfiles.com 00:25:21 Oh, .com :) 00:25:29 rbm has a GREAT .emacs. 00:25:53 davb: Uh, thanks :) 00:25:53 hmmm... then can maybe i will take yours, rbm :) 00:25:56 * rbm blushes 00:26:03 where can I get a decent fixed width font? 00:26:10 everything I have it killing my eyes. 00:26:17 andale mono is TOO TALL. 00:27:46 i need to get away from computers. talk to you guys tomorrow morning :) 00:27:47 later 00:27:49 talli has quit ("later later later") 00:27:56 talli: http://www.brasileiro.net/roberto/emacs.txt 00:28:06 hmmm. too late. 00:29:54 brb 00:33:58 could somebody help me verify that many context bar links in the groups admin pages are wrong? 00:35:05 for example, /admin/group-types/one?group_type=group - the link last link in the context bar points to the same page, not to the parent one 00:35:05 ok 00:35:18 it is href="" 00:35:45 that's right, its wrong :) 00:36:03 great ;-) 00:36:15 til, a cursory glance shows they are ALL like that... 00:36:32 oops not all, most :) 00:36:40 i just started fixing them 00:36:54 there are a lot in acs-subsite 00:37:09 ok. it looks like mostly the new and add pages. 00:38:28 i added a [ad_conn package_url]admin/group-types/ - does that sound reasonable? 00:41:54 it's strange that they are wrong in so many places - did the author plan to add some magic in the template? (well, maybe it was just lazyness and i'm paranoid ...) 00:44:38 probably just an oversite. they were broken all over the place. that looks good. its how they are built in packages I have seen. 00:44:52 the author probably had the rug pulled before he could finish it 00:45:30 ok 00:52:09 SolarWolf rocks 00:53:04 solarwolf is? 00:53:53 ah cool. 00:56:13 brb 00:56:18 davb has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:58:55 really cool game. 00:59:00 Amazing what you can do with Python. 00:59:55 What kind of a game is it? 01:00:22 A clone of Atari's SolarFox 01:00:35 what's SolarFox? 01:00:54 You are the pilot of a ship and you have to collect boxes, while defending yourself from rockets shooting at you 01:01:25 Does it need X to run? 01:01:31 http://shredwheat.zopesite.com/solarwolf 01:01:32 F: http://shredwheat.zopesite.com/solarwolf from rbm 01:01:33 Psychephylax: Yes. 01:01:35 sounds like asteroids plus boxgathering 01:01:50 * Psychephylax wanders off to watch the Simpsons 01:01:54 F:|SolarWolf's homepage. A very cool game. 01:01:55 titled item F 01:02:00 Psychephylax is now known as Simpsophylax 01:04:28 * rbm tries twitch 01:04:34 Vinod: ayh? 01:04:48 Vinod's here? 01:05:03 that's what I'm asking :) guess not :) 01:05:09 here's why: 01:05:15 Ah. ayh -> are you here. 01:06:07 he should put a thing in his oacs4 install guide that says about shared libs (LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to /usr/local/pgsql/lib) 01:06:23 Hmmm. My mouse just died 01:06:33 mousetrap? 01:07:31 Roberto didn't feed him 01:07:57 anyway to revive it via X? 01:08:16 symptoms? 01:08:18 nope 01:08:23 only mouth to mouth 01:09:03 Don't worry Roberto, you're amongst friends, we won't tell you were frenching a rodent 01:09:15 :) 01:09:47 look what I started :P a channel full of fledgling badpun tellers :) 01:10:00 I am still the master badpun and teller! 01:10:34 oh boy 01:10:37 snow! 01:10:49 where? 01:11:05 in NY later I hear 01:13:46 I mish twitch wouldn't exit everytime I died 01:14:17 rbm: tried pingus? 01:14:41 (you'll need opengl and drm/dri for that) 01:17:54 jim: I haven't played it in a while. 01:18:02 (i.e. over a year :-)) 01:26:35 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:27:25 rbm: what happens when you go to /doc/acs-templating/demo/index.html on an acs 4 and view the output of the first template example on the last group (Description "A simple form")? 01:27:37 err oacs4 w/pg 01:28:59 talli (talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 01:29:29 talli: you're editor of the brief install guide vinod's doing? 01:29:42 jim: me too 01:29:49 ahh 01:30:00 he should put a thing in his oacs4 install guide that says about shared libs (LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to /usr/local/pgsql/lib) 01:30:32 yeah, i am 01:30:54 before doing so, query produces a "file not found" err 01:31:37 err, opening, not query 01:32:56 btw... 01:33:21 jim: I think that is an unported sequence 01:33:46 If I took an acs bootcamp (in Berkeley) in feb 2001, 01:33:47 yes it is. 01:34:16 am I considered tainted wrt openacs? 01:34:27 Java? 01:34:29 nope 01:34:29 or Tcl 01:34:33 tcl 01:34:36 No then. 01:34:42 The tcl stuff was all GPLed 01:34:51 they offered to javaize one of the other people, he declined 01:35:03 btw: xfce is a wonderful window manager 01:35:17 "you can do the bootcamp in java; we'll set you right up" 01:35:35 rbm: should I submit the templating bug to the sdm? 01:35:38 never saw a line of java the whole time I was there 01:35:41 or post in the forum? 01:35:46 yeah! 01:36:29 heh 01:36:33 Dave likes it! 01:37:41 Dave, did you ever figure out your problem with XFce? 01:38:06 nah. I just finally moved the window and it stuck where I left it :) 01:38:18 davb: yeah 01:38:26 lol 01:38:59 * davb generates patch 01:39:06 davb: you're not dave cohen are you? 01:39:14 no, dave bauer 01:40:12 all his stuff (ps0, advice for bootcampers, etc) 404 forbidden 01:40:43 darn 01:40:53 that was good stuff. 01:42:10 I bet a search engine cached it... 01:42:33 jim: you can get it somewhere. i think he mentioned on the bboards that he moved it somewhere 01:42:50 check the bboards for his posts 01:44:40 http://web.archive.org/web/20010710030108/www.primenet.com/~cohen/arsdigita/ 01:44:41 G: http://web.archive.org/web/20010710030108/www.primenet.com/~cohen/arsdigita/ from davb 01:44:42 jim: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0003Ps&topic_id=OpenACS&topic=11 01:44:53 G:| Problem Set 0 etc... 01:44:53 titled item G 01:51:54 G: Do it at your own risk ;) 01:51:54 commented item G 01:53:23 nope, that link still has links to the forbidden items 01:53:35 ah... it links to the old stuff.. 01:54:04 add a web.archive.org/web/20010710030108 in front of the URLs maybe 01:54:18 aha 01:57:57 hmmm. why would files created by cvs update have different permissions than ones created by cvs checkout? 01:58:33 the updated one has 644, eveything else is 775 02:00:00 * rbm shrughs 02:00:04 shrugs even 02:00:22 its weird. 02:00:27 I am sure I did somethign wrong :) 02:11:36 who should own the local CVS repository? 02:12:21 I don't think it matters. 02:12:40 OK. I got an error when I tried to update from mine... 02:16:55 brb 02:20:56 dave, does this look right? 02:20:56 chmod -R www-data.www-data /var/www/infoptics/ 02:21:13 looks ok to me. 02:21:15 i'm getting an error like this: 02:21:21 chmod: invalid mode string: `www-data.www-data' 02:21:32 wait :) chown 02:21:33 the user/group exists. 02:21:37 ahhh 02:21:38 lol 02:21:50 I can't belive i missed that 02:21:57 why are we all fooling around with computers on sunday night.... 02:22:11 who can instruct me on creating a diff properly for the sdm? 02:22:24 i think i read over it checking and said "chown www-data.ww......... looks good to me 02:22:27 :) 02:22:43 me too 02:23:31 we are playing around with comps on saturday cause we have something due tommorow? 02:23:48 well tuesday, but i always try to be a day early 02:24:21 ah 02:24:36 I have something due last november.... 02:31:54 talli has left #openacs 02:32:00 i see, when will it be done? 02:32:31 I am not sure. I have to have a meeting soon. 02:33:47 debian? maybe the user is called aolserver, and so the chown would be to aolserver.www-data 02:34:28 jim, we got it. 02:34:34 and if you really want to let www-data members to be able to alter, set their umask to 002 02:34:34 i was using chmod 02:34:40 oic 02:34:47 thx tho 02:34:55 this is for PHP Nuke 02:34:58 not OACS 02:35:05 i'm just ripping you guys off :) 02:35:12 :P 02:35:43 heh 02:37:28 maybe someone should obtain the ps0 & etc stuff, and contact Dave Cohen for permission or such 02:37:40 host em on openacs.org 02:37:48 Ok, jim, I'll put you down for that :) 02:41:49 to cohen@primenet.com 02:42:35 subject: Permission by OpenACS.org to download and host Bootcamp and other introductory docs 02:42:41 Hi, 02:42:46 I've been asked to see if it's all right for OpenACS.org to host your problem set zero and advice to bootcampers docs. 02:43:33 -Jim Lynch 02:43:46 howzat? want a cc? 02:45:16 Cool. I was only kidding. Actually I am wgetting the stuff from there now... 02:45:18 :) 02:45:58 well, I can still send the msg if you want... if you want to be CCed, email? 02:46:10 if I shouldn't send, say that too :) 02:47:40 No, its a good idea. Just not up to me :) 02:48:01 It looks like good stuff. I never read most of it. 02:53:06 davb: still interested in diff instructions? 02:53:16 til: yes, please. 02:53:38 I have the old file and new file in packages/acs-templating/sql/postgresql 02:53:50 i use cvs diff 02:54:16 ah that would be smart :) 02:54:23 cvs diff -c www/index.tcl > bla.patch 02:54:32 that is much easier thanks 02:54:43 you have to cd to the package root, e.g. cd /web/foo/packages/bboard/ 02:54:49 ok. 02:55:36 i wasnt sure, but steve and don accepted 3 patches already that were made that way without complaining 02:55:45 ok 02:56:13 the thing with cd to packageroot is hidden somewhere in the boards 03:01:42 excelent. that is done. 03:02:56 that web archive is tricky. the URLs don't match so you have to get each file seperately. they are not all in one directory. 03:03:00 :( 03:03:14 but wget should still follow the links. 03:08:37 lemme see if I understand this piece.... you're saying that if a person wants to send a patch in, it should be diffed when in packages/? 03:10:21 cause the maints want to apply all the patches from that dir? 03:11:21 no, in packages/package_name/ 03:11:21 I did mine from the package directory packages/acs-templating in this case. 03:11:22 before submitting, the sdm gives some hints: http://openacs.org/sdm/patch-submit.tcl?package_id=9 03:11:22 "Your patch file must be generated from the top- level 03:11:22 directory of the package. Use a contextual diff if you can to ensure 03:11:22 maximal compatibility with existing changes made to the repository." 03:12:29 til: I always thought that meant the sdm package, that is /openacs-4/ 03:12:54 oic 03:13:02 davb: i hope not ... 03:13:16 til: I doubt its a big deal :) 03:13:56 yeah 03:14:27 we won't get banned from openacs.org for getting that wrong ;-) 03:14:43 no anyone who actually contributes is very welcome! 03:29:03 unless you offend the powers that be. 03:44:20 time to go. goodnight 03:44:22 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 04:59:58 ok, I want a chump now :) 05:00:37 chump: what are you? 05:00:38 Not understood: what are you? 05:02:01 oh well, leaving that for another day 06:50:06 djg (~dirk@pD9587BC0.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #openacs 07:34:23 jim has quit (Remote closed the connection) 09:27:05 djg has left #openacs 09:58:55 jim (~jim@12-233-187-5.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 09:59:09 hi. 10:36:10 djg (~dirk@pD9587BC0.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #openacs 10:46:44 dlk (dlk@garrison.ita.chalmers.se) has joined #openacs 10:59:50 any oacs 4 people awake? 11:00:33 sort of 11:00:36 yes 11:00:56 hey djg! 11:01:19 i'm looking for ppl that have used the clustering service 11:01:56 ok... I'm trying to use general comments and static pages 11:02:13 and I guess I'm not understanding what's up 11:02:56 no idea about those 11:04:59 i just read that the gc ui changed for the worse ... 11:06:14 what are you trying to do, jim? 11:07:12 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 11:07:42 til: I'm trying to set up one page, a static html, that is commentable 11:09:25 via the automatic html replacing filter of static-pages? sorry, never used that ... I just know that it's easy to insert comments in an adp page (which can be mostly static, of course) 11:09:38 so I installed the static pages and general comments packages, created single instances of each and mounted them, then edited an html (i.e., static page) 11:11:16 jim: you need to go to the static-pages url and scan for files. 11:11:25 did that... 11:11:28 no joy :) 11:11:41 sorry, didn't mention that part :) 11:12:12 should I tell my html to use a particular template? 11:13:01 I have a file in (pageroot)/a-static-page.html 11:13:04 contents: 11:13:13 This is a static page. Can I comment? 11:13:45 it's not needed for the comments to work. what extensions have you activated in the parameters section? 11:14:00 hmmm, lemme check that 11:15:14 jim: you should be able to comment now... perhaps you need etc... 11:15:37 ola: ola :) 11:16:07 ok, tried with and without that 11:16:54 this is a very very vanilla system, just installed it yesterday 11:17:09 so is the page marked as "commentable" in the admin page? 11:17:11 before that, only did acs4-oracle 11:17:20 yes 11:17:51 do I click on "commentable" to make it commentable? or is it telling me it is commentable? 11:17:53 try restarting the server... :-) 11:18:09 ahh, ok 11:18:14 commentable means it's just that...;:-) 11:20:17 ola: ok, let me look into that 11:20:42 btw, did you win runner up in the 2000 ad prize? 11:20:49 too bad I don't have an instance of OACS installed at the moment 11:21:31 jim: not that I know.... 11:22:12 ahh, ok... you'd remember... you'd see your picture, you would have met some people, had lunch/dinner with, etc :) 11:22:39 heh 11:24:34 I just installed the thing, got past some problems wrt aolserver talking to postgres, installed it and all packages... 11:25:09 cool. whats the initial impression? 11:26:02 still a few problems, things aren't ported completely, but the package manager works and is solid enough to install all the packages without error 11:26:10 I like the static-pages package very much and will use it quite a bit, I think. 11:27:07 I have a regular acs too, I'll give that a try after awhile and see how it's supposed to behave 11:27:43 yeah! it's a shame the package file is removed, though, if you uninstall it via the package manager... 11:28:17 (from the file system, that is) 11:28:38 (so far, I've only tried site map, pkg mgr, logging in, general comments, static pages, wimpypoint 11:28:51 particularly frutrating when you're porting a package 11:28:54 but I have like 40 pkgs installed 11:29:15 ok 11:29:29 you know how they keep the whole acs in cvs? 11:29:43 you should try out ETP. it's really cool.. 11:29:48 etp? 11:29:58 edit this page. 11:30:13 ahh, is that a replacement for Page? 11:30:37 well. a replacement for content management. 11:31:02 ohh, a new frontend for the content repository? 11:31:11 yes. 11:31:30 jim: keep in cvs? 11:32:10 you know how you untar acs in /web/server? 11:32:47 when you're first installing it? 11:33:39 and you know cvs? 11:33:53 not sure what u mean... I usually cvs checkout to /web and thats it... 11:34:11 I know a little about cvs, yes... 11:34:16 ola: yes, exactly that... 11:34:26 that brings the whole acs there... yes? 11:35:24 if I remember correctly, yes. have you seen Vinod's install guide? it's all in there. 11:36:01 so if the apm removes the files of a package, you can cd there and cvs update or cvs co 11:36:53 I would think so, yes 11:37:50 I see, so rather than get the tarball and untar, you get everything from oacs cvs 11:38:02 (which is what they suggest...) 11:38:20 I found a tarball of everything, and I'm running on that 11:38:40 thats what I usually do since everything upgrades so often. 11:38:57 jim: that's ok too;-) 11:46:25 dang, etp is not in my doc list 11:49:56 jim: you having any luck with static-pages? 11:53:15 no... I'll get to that more when I understand more of what's going on... 11:59:58 it's acting weird 12:04:13 ok. (you put the html file under openacs-4/www/, right?) 12:04:23 jim: did you get a nightly tarball from january? 12:04:34 maybe 12:04:42 ok 12:05:00 you think I should cvs up? 12:05:37 no, not really. a january tarball should be just fine. 12:09:35 jim! yes you should get it from cvs instead! tha latest tarball doesn't include the latest patches for static-pages... 12:10:00 That explains why it's not working for ya;-) 12:11:45 ok, I'm gonna assume the datamodel didn't change, to begin with :) 12:12:19 don't assume that. I' sure it did:-( 12:26:37 it really is true what the say. debian kicks butt :-) 12:26:49 so easy to keep up-to-date. 12:31:19 yeah, easy to maintain too 12:31:45 so I should blow away the data model and reinstall? 12:33:04 that's my suggestion. 12:37:50 ok, then I'll do that now 12:38:34 cool! 12:39:08 lemme know if I can help... 12:42:47 ok, I can get the whole oacs from the cvs? 12:44:46 sure! first: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot login 12:44:57 and then enter.. 12:45:10 followed by: 12:45:11 cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@openacs.org:/cvsroot checkout acs-core 12:45:19 ok, I know what I got befroe 12:46:20 you need to be nsadmin and cd to /web first, though. 12:48:35 I was using release 4.2.0b2 12:49:09 aha. well, it's not actually beta yet... 12:49:27 that was from last year... 12:50:37 the current cvs version should be *moch* better (at least on PG)... 12:50:52 s/moch/much 12:53:30 the core pkgs are installing now 12:53:49 coolio! 12:54:59 done, restartng 12:55:07 restarted 12:55:51 logged in 12:56:07 the system will probably "feel" alot snappier if you only cvs co the packages you need as opposed to the hole bunch... 12:56:13 nice. 12:57:35 just cd into packages/ and "cvs co foo"... 13:05:31 and that gives me package foo 13:06:04 right 13:07:22 ...or you can do cvs update -dP if you want all packages. 13:09:41 Psychephylax (proxy@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 13:09:57 hello Psychephylax! 13:10:01 hello ola 13:11:23 hmmm 13:12:23 * jim is getting all packages 13:12:34 but only installing a couple :) 13:14:18 jim: you've got the right idea. downloading all packages is ok as long as you only install a few;-) 13:14:55 do I need CMS for ETP? 13:15:01 nope 13:15:29 Gah 13:15:49 Ok, that did not work...so I'm going to eat brakefeast...and drink motor oil har har har 13:15:52 * Psychephylax needs more sleep 13:16:05 hehehe 13:19:15 I met the guy who did Static Pages 13:19:48 who? 13:20:01 Brandoch Calef 13:20:19 he was doing unix admin at the berkeley office 13:21:07 aha. jim, have you worked at aD? 13:21:23