00:05:32 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 00:19:57 davb has left #openacs 00:20:09 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 00:21:34 yeah! I found my typ1 fonts 00:25:42 cool :) 00:26:06 now I need to figure out how to reconfigure apps in xfce. My terminal is too little. 01:04:43 moo 01:05:06 hi rbm 01:05:37 just installed aolserver w/ pg driver (3.3+adlatest) 01:05:45 13? 01:05:57 so now I got aolserver and pg 01:06:29 need accptance test that shows aolserver can talk to pg 01:06:32 jim: excellent 01:06:52 If the driver loaded (see the logs), it should be fine 01:07:03 (err, specific, i.e., -my- aolserver talks to -my- pg) 01:07:25 haven't tried starting it yet :) 01:07:46 if the driver in _your_ aolserver started, then _your_ aolserver is talking to _your_ pg 01:08:01 this is using .tcl files as config? or .ini? 01:11:07 hey guys. 01:11:27 jim: which ever. doesn't matter. 01:11:40 ok 01:15:36 does anyone know if there is a published answer set, for the psets? 01:15:50 started it with sample config file, seems to work... but no loading nspostgres yet 01:16:47 beattiek: several students published their answers 01:17:41 if it works, that's the answer. 01:17:44 ;-) 01:18:39 jim: Errr. Are you using the driver that comes with AOLserver or the one from openacs.orcg? 01:19:37 talli (talli@talli.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 01:19:42 ummm 01:19:52 *shhhh* talli is here 01:19:56 yo 01:19:57 hi talli 01:19:58 que pasa? 01:20:01 :) 01:20:03 hey davb and rbm 01:20:11 talliyo 01:20:14 hey jim 01:20:27 what's the word this eve? 01:20:28 my wife wanted to watch The Lost World again, so we just did. Pretty lame. 01:20:32 The third one was okay. 01:20:51 What idiots get in line for episode II five months before it is released? 01:21:12 dunno. but i heard that Nsync is in this one. i think i might not get in line ever 01:21:16 episode 2 is out? 01:21:22 (just like i did for the first one..._ 01:21:38 nsync rules though. 01:22:10 Take 6 rules... nsync can dance; who knows if they're actually musicians 01:23:17 Nsync is not made of musicians, just like most bubble gum pop "bands" out there 01:23:19 first I decided not to see Edpisode 2 because of the name. then I heard the nsync rumor and saw the trailer. 01:23:21 ick 01:23:44 nsync does rule, although i think the production quality of their last album is somewhat less sophisticated than that of their nemesis, the backstreet bots 01:23:52 and i do mean bots 01:24:00 Nsync is made up purely of performers. 01:24:12 nkotb were seen at skywalker ranch, having lots of trouble with their parts 01:24:35 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-21-223-168.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 01:24:36 however, i somehow miss the the tried and true acoustics of the new kids on the block 01:24:44 hi docwolf 01:24:54 howdy 01:24:59 which one has the guys that are getting way fat? 01:25:04 I saw the trailer for episode II as well. If it spends most of the time on the Anakin <-> padme smoosh, I'll get out of the theater (I'll probably wait for it to reach the cheap theaters) 01:25:04 docwolf, have you come here to spead your brand of fanatic religious fervor? 01:25:05 nsync or backstreet bots? 01:25:19 i am docwolf, i am a navy SEAL 01:25:24 heh. 01:25:36 I already told my wife I will not see it, She will take the kids :) 01:25:37 docwolf, i think that navy seals must be at least 5'3" tall 01:25:48 i'd say.. OUCH for docwolf 01:26:21 "to ride, you must be a navy seal and be at least 5'3" 01:27:09 back to Nsync, i hear they get slaughtered pretty early in episode II 01:27:20 oh, that might be worth it :) 01:27:24 so at least we get to celebrate their demise 01:27:29 wait, they actually have parts in the film?? 01:27:41 ugh 01:28:00 * jim reconsiders seeing ep2 in theater 01:28:05 yes, i heard that lucas' daughter likes them, so he gave them parts as extras in some fight scene. but, they get killed 01:28:22 talli knows was too much about this... 01:28:24 that being said, i think that docwolf can dance better than any of them 01:28:30 yeah baby 01:28:40 you should see docwolf do the splits! 01:28:45 how do you know that? :) 01:28:48 yowza 01:28:59 you should see docwolf defuse bombs underwater. 01:29:07 he's pretty serious with the navy seal thing. 01:29:09 doing the splits? 01:29:10 full splits, and he even knows how to time the "woo!" just right for the added effect 01:29:20 when you lose your touch and you can't make good films anymore you fall back on your ability to attract popular people to be in your movies and hope that enough marketing and hype will hide the fact that the movie sucks 01:29:37 did episode I suck? 01:29:42 it was ok 01:29:44 I didn't like it much. 01:29:45 yeah lucas hasn't made a movie like howard the duck in years. 01:30:18 howard the duck was truly seminal. 01:30:41 That was a cool movie. 01:30:42 holy crap... rzolf isn't kidding. lucas was the executive producer. 01:31:00 in college, i took a class entitled "late twentieth century fowl and associated semiotics" 01:31:09 whats a .pcf? 01:31:24 talli: was howard the duck one of the fowl? :) 01:31:42 howard had a big cock 01:31:51 uh, was a big cock. sorry 01:31:59 ouch. 01:32:11 freudianese :) 01:32:23 are all the fonts in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/foo supposed to be gzipped? 01:33:14 davb: Did Debian put them there as .gz's? 01:33:34 davb: If so, that's how they should stay :) 01:34:11 rbm: ok thanks :) 01:34:53 another dumb x question. whats the font server for Xfree86 4? 01:35:33 heh 01:35:37 it was epic. 01:35:46 just like beowulf... 01:35:47 i think i know what he's getting at 01:35:58 what? that we need a new website? 01:35:59 talli: it made sense. Just a little long for the result. Put infomation where people can find it. More info for normal people on openacs.org 01:36:03 which is in the plan. 01:36:05 davb: You don't need a font server. 01:36:10 aha 01:36:10 davb: Not even for 3.x 01:36:12 cool. 01:36:24 i think he's pereceiving a lack of direction in the project. 01:36:27 any reason i might want one? 01:36:46 well, if it's lack of direction... 01:37:10 davb: You're in charge of Mandrake or Red Hat and you want to give your users another possible security hole. 01:37:26 rbm: ok :) 01:37:30 which thread are you guys talking about? 01:39:05 rbm: what about connecting to a remote xdm or some such? font server useful in that kind of situation? 01:39:34 nevermind. found it. 01:40:08 jim: In that case I would think so. But most people don't need that, but RH and Mandrake install font servers by default still. 01:40:31 Darn, this is a book, not a bboard answer. 01:43:12 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.28.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 01:43:40 uh oh. 01:43:56 markd2. 01:44:31 everyone hide. 01:44:43 markd2: I know the sol'n to your java problem from the other day :) 01:46:56 heh 01:47:01 shoulda looked here for ya 01:47:12 this was the original thing 01:47:12 http://badgertronics.com/hacks/javaquestion.txt 01:47:13 C: http://badgertronics.com/hacks/javaquestion.txt from markd2 01:55:36 To use truetype fonts in Xfreee86 4 do I just put them in the fontdir in XF86Config? 01:56:30 davb: Yeah. I also think you have to load a module. Hang on. 01:57:41 thanks! 02:01:03 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 02:01:43 I can always read the documentation :) 02:04:21 damnation! 02:04:34 cool song 02:04:49 it's the D and the A and the M and the N and the A and the T and the I-O-N 02:04:57 Lose your face, lose your name 02:05:01 and get fitted fora suit of flame 02:05:11 Hello Markd who's greeting another delightfully wonderful day 02:05:18 :-D 02:05:22 k:-O 02:05:27 oh my god! there's an axe in my head! 02:05:27 lol 02:05:45 I have yet once again broken my Linux install 02:05:51 yeah! 02:05:52 Windows boots thought! 02:05:56 not bad. 02:06:03 heh 02:06:11 * markd2 suggests changing stuff randomly in the registry 02:06:14 I have given up home on mandrake 02:06:17 http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html 02:06:17 D: http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html from davb 02:06:27 All I did was run their stupid Mandrake Update 02:06:29 D:|Debian and Truetype fonts with Xfree86 4 02:06:29 titled item D 02:06:36 Psychephylax: use the debian 02:06:41 You know what hteir mandrake update did/ 02:06:43 uset he force 02:06:45 Broke it's own symlinks 02:06:59 3 of them were in /boot 02:07:03 I fixed those 02:07:09 talli: Are you there? 02:07:11 I dare not search for the other broken ones 02:09:14 hey rbm 02:09:28 Hey talli :) 02:09:34 Is it you that's reading Lord of the Rings? 02:10:04 talli: Would you like to edit/proof Vinod's install guide? 02:10:09 Psychephylax: I am, 50 pages from the end of the two towers 02:10:26 cool 02:10:41 I'm a bit more than half way done with "The Hobbit" 02:10:47 rbm: sure! 02:10:50 i would be happy to do so 02:10:58 talli: Okay. I'm updating the Status page. 02:11:07 Psychephylax: ah. I saw the move last night, I am kinda disappointed, I don;t think I should have read the book so close to seeing it. 02:11:16 Any BSD users here? 02:11:34 talli: Thank you btw 02:11:50 depends on what you mean by bsd users :-) 02:11:54 I've used bsd systems, and have os/x 02:11:54 rbm: i was thinking about writing up a page about how to write package docs. like the "for everyone, for admin, for dev" 02:12:15 talli: Excellent. 02:12:25 talli: If you write it, I'll add to our documentation. 02:12:32 cool. i'll start this eve 02:12:47 talli: I have my hands full with the core docs and query dispatcher (which I think I'll end up having to write) 02:12:55 understood. 02:13:01 feel free to dump any work on me 02:13:10 talli: You shouldn't have said that :){ 02:13:16 docwolf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:13:22 >:-> 02:13:34 don't worry about it. i've been trying to get you to do so for a couple of months now :) 02:13:41 Psychephylax: how do I make xfce keep my windows inside the screen? I can't grab the title bad on Xchat and Mozilla is wider than the screen :) 02:13:50 hold on 02:14:18 talli: What else would you like to do? Torsben and David (geilhufe) are working on the beginners' guide. I think you could help them with some direction. 02:14:36 i will help them. 02:14:50 i've been thinking alot about docs.openacs.org 02:14:50 talli: Should I put you as editor for that one too then? 02:14:51 Spoken like a true shao lin priest :) 02:15:35 david is very good, he has ALOT of experience working with non-technical users 02:15:45 rather, people just starting out in the technical world 02:15:49 talli: I'm thinking of opening a bboard just docs. 02:16:18 s/just docs/just for documentation discussion/ 02:16:22 he started a community technology center in Oakland that trained under-represented and under-privileged groups in things like cisco routers 02:17:01 hmmm, otx? 02:17:17 What's a matter dave? 02:17:46 Psychephylax: I am complaining about xfce because you recommeneded it to me :) 02:17:54 where in Oakland? 02:18:00 rbm: i think that a docs bboard would be good, but i think that it's important to first get a solid number of people working on them 02:18:07 heh 02:18:13 oakland, cA 02:18:26 talli: Why wait? 02:18:49 yes, it almost surrounds me :) I go thru a tunnel and I'm in oakland :) 02:18:58 only because i don't think it's good to have a forum like the CMS forum, which no one uses 02:19:04 Dave I don't understand what the exact behavior you're having ap roblem with 02:19:04 oh, cool 02:19:14 happen to know where in oakland? 02:19:25 i thought you said, "where is oakland?" :_ 02:19:29 Psychephylax: aha. Xchat opened a window and the title bar is off the top of the screen. 02:19:32 east oakland. the tough part 02:19:42 talli: Okay. 02:19:47 hmm, east of 70th? 02:19:49 talli: Uploaded new docs status page 02:20:01 Now I have to go babysit while my neighbors go have dinner. 02:20:06 if there is a "tough" part, menaing worse than others :) 02:20:16 north oak is ok 02:20:16 ok, cool. thanks rbm 02:20:28 west and east isn't 02:20:37 jim: it's called the Eastmost Community Center 02:20:40 the oakland hills can be vun 02:20:45 eastmont 02:20:58 if it's by the mall, that would be around 73rd 02:21:42 What's your resolution at? 02:21:54 I never had that problem 02:21:55 Psychephylax: 1024x768 02:22:03 hmmm 02:22:05 Psychephylax: ok. must be something dumb 02:22:08 And what is X configured at? 02:22:22 I think it's your X config 02:22:29 * rbm leaves 02:22:30 I've seen that with other winderz managers 02:22:32 good night all 02:22:37 later rbm 02:22:37 bye Roberto 02:22:41 bye 02:31:04 ok, I untarred oacs 4, is there a sample server config .tcl in the tarball? 02:31:13 yes 02:31:20 wait 02:31:21 maybe not 02:31:36 I can't find install instructions 02:31:42 For what? 02:31:48 oACS or AOLServer? 02:31:57 but I got most stuff going, aolserver, pg done 02:32:09 ok 02:32:16 So you need help with OACS? 02:32:16 (with all needed modules, afaik) 02:32:19 yes 02:32:24 jim: hang on I'll get the install doc 02:32:32 The way I have it set up is to untar it to /web 02:32:57 http://openacs.org/new-file-storage/download/openacs-4.html?version_id=470 02:32:57 E: http://openacs.org/new-file-storage/download/openacs-4.html?version_id=470 from davb 02:33:01 you just need to fix the AOLServer config file 02:33:05 E:|vinod's brief install guide 02:33:05 titled item E 02:33:18 also I know the new one is around somewhere 02:33:36 help? maybe not so handy holdy... I can read, if that's preferred... 02:34:07 jim: there is a link to a sample config file in there I think... 02:34:30 http://openacs.org/new-file-storage/download/openacs4.tcl.txt?version_id=157 02:34:30 F: http://openacs.org/new-file-storage/download/openacs4.tcl.txt?version_id=157 from davb 02:34:36 F:|Sample nsd.tcl for OpenACS 4 02:34:36 titled item F 02:43:50 does openacs4 work with pg7.2betas yet? 02:44:12 not that I heard. last I saw there was a 'bug' 02:44:30 ok 02:45:08 anyone perform the create or replace test? 02:45:42 no I haven't tried 7.2beta yet. 03:00:12 brb 03:00:22 davb has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:10:08 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 03:11:04 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 03:50:07 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:56:06 talli has left #openacs 04:00:01 rzolf has quit ("rzolf has no reason") 04:20:53 Hmmm 04:21:03 Roberto, you alive? 04:30:01 * Psychephylax goes to bed 09:27:19 anyone around? finally trying to start oacs 4 10:20:24 HOT!! it started and grabbed a db handle! (needed LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to the pg libs) 10:35:48 til has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11:22:56 now I get to file some bugs :) 13:22:55 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 13:58:16 ola has quit ("Hey! Where'd my controlling terminal go?") 13:59:34 miguel (~durden@cable192a061.usuarios.retecal.es) has joined #openacs 14:02:13 davb (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-135.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 14:02:29 miguel has quit (Client Quit) 14:04:04 miguel (miguel@cable192a061.usuarios.retecal.es) has joined #openacs 14:04:31 hi guys 14:05:36 hi dave 14:06:14 hello 14:07:11 you gave me the link of the psets ported to PG? 14:07:13 right? 14:11:59 not me :) 14:12:23 argh. 14:12:30 the stylesheet for chump is broken... 14:12:30 yes you are right 14:12:38 what? 14:12:45 i have just checked the logs 14:12:57 and it was actually talli who told me so 14:13:15 i checked the website and there is actually only two 14:13:23 psets ported to PG 14:13:58 I also made another doc with the same text but also added the solutions, anyway those ones should be checked 14:14:26 ok 14:15:26 you dont have anything to do with this stuff right? ;) it was roberto the one who was interested 14:16:33 what i am interested in, is that roberto mentioned that there are some people working on writting some beginners stuff for OACS 14:16:36 is that right? 14:17:44 yes. 14:17:52 Roberto is in charge of the documentation. 14:18:20 I am marginally involved in that I should be updating the docs for static pages. :) 14:19:40 cool I fixed it. (chump) 14:19:46 ok ;) 14:19:58 except I lost the output for 1/4 and 1/3 14:20:11 sorry 14:20:13 about it 14:20:26 no, its there... weird. 14:20:45 ah. the xml is there, the html will get created in a little while. 14:21:20 sorry for my ignorance, but what is the chump thing? 14:22:36 http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 14:22:37 A: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog from davb 14:22:47 argh, it logged itself :) 14:24:29 It logs all the URLs entered on a line by themselves and alows you at add comments. 14:24:41 Real Soon Now :) it will be searchable. 14:26:21 ok didnt know 14:26:57 and where is the comment added? 14:27:19 Each URL is given a letter so: 14:27:24 A: This is a comment 14:27:25 commented item A 14:27:35 It shows up on the page in a minute or two. 14:28:43 ok 14:29:11 wow mate that means more or less that you have to take care of what is said in this chat 14:29:13 ? 14:33:30 The entire text of the channel is logged also. Its in the notices when you log on. You can always put a # in front of what you say and it won't be logged. 14:35:23 yes, i know that the log of the chat appears in the notices. anyway i realized that with mIRC i cant see that notice 14:35:53 there should be a tab for the server, the messages appear there I think. 14:36:05 or type loggy, off 14:36:08 loggy, off 14:36:30 ok good 14:36:59 * miguel lessons of how to use the channel with Dave 14:37:00 ;) 14:38:38 i am curious, how does work all this chump and loggy thing? it is a software that you can add to the IRC or you programmed it by yourself? 14:39:01 Its a program written in python that runs on my server and connects to the channel. I did not write it. 14:39:30 loggy is run by AaronSw who has been busy, but nice enough to run it for us anyway. 14:40:32 are both programs then? where can i get' em? 14:40:42 i am want to have my own irc server 14:40:48 i want to have my own irc server 14:41:22 Ah. these are bots the connect to the server. Although I am sure you can download irc server software somewhere. These are automated clients. 14:41:29 http://usefulinc.com/chump/ 14:41:29 B: http://usefulinc.com/chump/ from davb 14:41:37 B:| Daily Chump Bot 14:41:38 titled item B 14:42:09 http://cvs.ilrt.org/cvsweb/redland/logger/ 14:42:09 C: http://cvs.ilrt.org/cvsweb/redland/logger/ from davb 14:42:13 C:|Logger 14:42:14 titled item C 14:43:27 thanks dave. I always learn a new thing every time i log on 14:43:40 That is what we are here for :) 14:44:39 ;) 15:01:31 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-21-223-168.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 15:02:01 hi docwolf 15:02:07 hi docwolf 15:02:08 hi! 15:02:40 thanks 15:02:47 I am rebuilding it with OpenACS 4. 15:05:07 dave you were working for a NY office or something like that? 15:05:34 a language package for OACS 3.x? 15:06:00 acs-lang 15:06:14 migual I am in a small town near the capital of New York State 15:06:33 I work for New York State yes, but not on OpenACS, that I do on my own. 15:07:25 ok i will check that package 15:07:38 any of you guys know who "tomkat" is? 15:07:41 yes you were working with Access or something like that? 15:08:54 heh yeah 15:09:15 docwolf: never heard of him. Is he a Java web guru or something? :) 15:10:00 ok guys gotta go. Ill see you other time 15:10:09 bye 15:10:20 he posted a message on the bboards 15:10:26 just wondering who he was. 15:10:44 bye 15:10:47 Oh... 15:10:50 miguel has quit ("[x]chat") 15:16:31 the_docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-21-223-168.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 15:16:34 He is kinda over the top. Why do we need RPMs of a development snapsnot etc... 15:17:01 talking about the tomkat post? 15:17:13 yeah 15:17:25 Also I knew NOTHING and I installed it no problem. 15:17:25 i agree with him on many points 15:17:29 well 15:17:48