IRC log of openacs on 2002-01-06

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00:21:34 [davb]

yeah! I found my typ1 fonts

00:25:42 [jim]

cool :)

00:26:06 [davb]

now I need to figure out how to reconfigure apps in xfce. My terminal is too little.

01:04:43 [rbm]

moo

01:05:06 [jim]

hi rbm

01:05:37 [jim]

just installed aolserver w/ pg driver (3.3+adlatest)

01:05:45 [jim]

13?

01:05:57 [jim]

so now I got aolserver and pg

01:06:29 [jim]

need accptance test that shows aolserver can talk to pg

01:06:32 [rbm]

jim: excellent

01:06:52 [rbm]

If the driver loaded (see the logs), it should be fine

01:07:03 [jim]

(err, specific, i.e., -my- aolserver talks to -my- pg)

01:07:25 [jim]

haven't tried starting it yet :)

01:07:46 [rbm]

if the driver in _your_ aolserver started, then _your_ aolserver is talking to _your_ pg

01:08:01 [jim]

this is using .tcl files as config? or .ini?

01:11:07 [beattiek]

hey guys.

01:11:27 [rbm]

jim: which ever. doesn't matter.

01:11:40 [jim]

ok

01:15:36 [beattiek]

does anyone know if there is a published answer set, for the psets?

01:15:50 [jim]

started it with sample config file, seems to work... but no loading nspostgres yet

01:16:47 [jim]

beattiek: several students published their answers

01:17:41 [rzolf]

if it works, that's the answer.

01:17:44 [rzolf]

;-)

01:18:39 [rbm]

jim: Errr. Are you using the driver that comes with AOLserver or the one from openacs.orcg?

01:19:37 [talli]

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01:19:42 [jim]

ummm

01:19:52 [rbm]

*shhhh* talli is here

01:19:56 [talli]

yo

01:19:57 [davb]

hi talli

01:19:58 [talli]

que pasa?

01:20:01 [rbm]

:)

01:20:03 [talli]

hey davb and rbm

01:20:11 [jim]

talliyo

01:20:14 [talli]

hey jim

01:20:27 [talli]

what's the word this eve?

01:20:28 [rbm]

my wife wanted to watch The Lost World again, so we just did. Pretty lame.

01:20:32 [rbm]

The third one was okay.

01:20:51 [rbm]

What idiots get in line for episode II five months before it is released?

01:21:12 [talli]

dunno. but i heard that Nsync is in this one. i think i might not get in line ever

01:21:16 [jim]

episode 2 is out?

01:21:22 [talli]

(just like i did for the first one..._

01:21:38 [rzolf]

nsync rules though.

01:22:10 [jim]

Take 6 rules... nsync can dance; who knows if they're actually musicians

01:23:17 [rbm]

Nsync is not made of musicians, just like most bubble gum pop "bands" out there

01:23:19 [davb]

first I decided not to see Edpisode 2 because of the name. then I heard the nsync rumor and saw the trailer.

01:23:21 [davb]

ick

01:23:44 [talli]

nsync does rule, although i think the production quality of their last album is somewhat less sophisticated than that of their nemesis, the backstreet bots

01:23:52 [talli]

and i do mean bots

01:24:00 [rbm]

Nsync is made up purely of performers.

01:24:12 [jim]

nkotb were seen at skywalker ranch, having lots of trouble with their parts

01:24:35 [docwolf]

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01:24:36 [talli]

however, i somehow miss the the tried and true acoustics of the new kids on the block

01:24:44 [davb]

hi docwolf

01:24:54 [docwolf]

howdy

01:24:59 [rzolf]

which one has the guys that are getting way fat?

01:25:04 [rbm]

I saw the trailer for episode II as well. If it spends most of the time on the Anakin <-> padme smoosh, I'll get out of the theater (I'll probably wait for it to reach the cheap theaters)

01:25:04 [talli]

docwolf, have you come here to spead your brand of fanatic religious fervor?

01:25:05 [rzolf]

nsync or backstreet bots?

01:25:19 [docwolf]

i am docwolf, i am a navy SEAL

01:25:24 [rzolf]

heh.

01:25:36 [davb]

I already told my wife I will not see it, She will take the kids :)

01:25:37 [talli]

docwolf, i think that navy seals must be at least 5'3" tall

01:25:48 [docwolf]

i'd say.. OUCH for docwolf

01:26:21 [jim]

"to ride, you must be a navy seal and be at least 5'3"

01:27:09 [talli]

back to Nsync, i hear they get slaughtered pretty early in episode II

01:27:20 [davb]

oh, that might be worth it :)

01:27:24 [talli]

so at least we get to celebrate their demise

01:27:29 [jim]

wait, they actually have parts in the film??

01:27:41 [jim]

ugh

01:28:00 [jim]

* jim reconsiders seeing ep2 in theater

01:28:05 [talli]

yes, i heard that lucas' daughter likes them, so he gave them parts as extras in some fight scene. but, they get killed

01:28:22 [docwolf]

talli knows was too much about this...

01:28:24 [talli]

that being said, i think that docwolf can dance better than any of them

01:28:30 [docwolf]

yeah baby

01:28:40 [talli]

you should see docwolf do the splits!

01:28:45 [jim]

how do you know that? :)

01:28:48 [docwolf]

yowza

01:28:59 [rzolf]

you should see docwolf defuse bombs underwater.

01:29:07 [rzolf]

he's pretty serious with the navy seal thing.

01:29:09 [jim]

doing the splits?

01:29:10 [talli]

full splits, and he even knows how to time the "woo!" just right for the added effect

01:29:20 [rbm]

when you lose your touch and you can't make good films anymore you fall back on your ability to attract popular people to be in your movies and hope that enough marketing and hype will hide the fact that the movie sucks

01:29:37 [talli]

did episode I suck?

01:29:42 [jim]

it was ok

01:29:44 [rbm]

I didn't like it much.

01:29:45 [rzolf]

yeah lucas hasn't made a movie like howard the duck in years.

01:30:18 [talli]

howard the duck was truly seminal.

01:30:41 [rbm]

That was a cool movie.

01:30:42 [docwolf]

holy crap... rzolf isn't kidding. lucas was the executive producer.

01:31:00 [talli]

in college, i took a class entitled "late twentieth century fowl and associated semiotics"

01:31:09 [davb]

whats a .pcf?

01:31:24 [jim]

talli: was howard the duck one of the fowl? :)

01:31:42 [talli]

howard had a big cock

01:31:51 [talli]

uh, was a big cock. sorry

01:31:59 [rzolf]

ouch.

01:32:11 [jim]

freudianese :)

01:32:23 [davb]

are all the fonts in /usr/lib/X11/fonts/foo supposed to be gzipped?

01:33:14 [rbm]

davb: Did Debian put them there as .gz's?

01:33:34 [rbm]

davb: If so, that's how they should stay :)

01:34:11 [davb]

rbm: ok thanks :)

01:34:53 [davb]

another dumb x question. whats the font server for Xfree86 4?

01:35:33 [rzolf]

heh

01:35:37 [rzolf]

it was epic.

01:35:46 [talli]

just like beowulf...

01:35:47 [docwolf]

i think i know what he's getting at

01:35:58 [talli]

what? that we need a new website?

01:35:59 [davb]

talli: it made sense. Just a little long for the result. Put infomation where people can find it. More info for normal people on openacs.org

01:36:03 [davb]

which is in the plan.

01:36:05 [rbm]

davb: You don't need a font server.

01:36:10 [davb]

aha

01:36:10 [rbm]

davb: Not even for 3.x

01:36:12 [davb]

cool.

01:36:24 [docwolf]

i think he's pereceiving a lack of direction in the project.

01:36:27 [davb]

any reason i might want one?

01:36:46 [talli]

well, if it's lack of direction...

01:37:10 [rbm]

davb: You're in charge of Mandrake or Red Hat and you want to give your users another possible security hole.

01:37:26 [davb]

rbm: ok :)

01:37:30 [rbm]

which thread are you guys talking about?

01:39:05 [jim]

rbm: what about connecting to a remote xdm or some such? font server useful in that kind of situation?

01:39:34 [rbm]

nevermind. found it.

01:40:08 [rbm]

jim: In that case I would think so. But most people don't need that, but RH and Mandrake install font servers by default still.

01:40:31 [rbm]

Darn, this is a book, not a bboard answer.

01:43:12 [markd2]

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01:43:40 [rzolf]

uh oh.

01:43:56 [rzolf]

markd2.

01:44:31 [docwolf]

everyone hide.

01:44:43 [jim]

markd2: I know the sol'n to your java problem from the other day :)

01:46:56 [markd2]

heh

01:47:01 [markd2]

shoulda looked here for ya

01:47:12 [markd2]

this was the original thing

01:47:12 [markd2]

http://badgertronics.com/hacks/javaquestion.txt

01:47:13 [chump]

C: http://badgertronics.com/hacks/javaquestion.txt from markd2

01:55:36 [davb]

To use truetype fonts in Xfreee86 4 do I just put them in the fontdir in XF86Config?

01:56:30 [rbm]

davb: Yeah. I also think you have to load a module. Hang on.

01:57:41 [davb]

thanks!

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02:01:43 [davb]

I can always read the documentation :)

02:04:21 [Psychephylax]

damnation!

02:04:34 [markd2]

cool song

02:04:49 [markd2]

it's the D and the A and the M and the N and the A and the T and the I-O-N

02:04:57 [markd2]

Lose your face, lose your name

02:05:01 [markd2]

and get fitted fora suit of flame

02:05:11 [Psychephylax]

Hello Markd who's greeting another delightfully wonderful day

02:05:18 [markd2]

:-D

02:05:22 [markd2]

k:-O

02:05:27 [markd2]

oh my god! there's an axe in my head!

02:05:27 [Psychephylax]

lol

02:05:45 [Psychephylax]

I have yet once again broken my Linux install

02:05:51 [davb]

yeah!

02:05:52 [Psychephylax]

Windows boots thought!

02:05:56 [davb]

not bad.

02:06:03 [Psychephylax]

heh

02:06:11 [markd2]

* markd2 suggests changing stuff randomly in the registry

02:06:14 [Psychephylax]

I have given up home on mandrake

02:06:17 [davb]

http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html

02:06:17 [chump]

D: http://www.paulandlesley.org/linux/xfree4_tt.html from davb

02:06:27 [Psychephylax]

All I did was run their stupid Mandrake Update

02:06:29 [davb]

D:|Debian and Truetype fonts with Xfree86 4

02:06:29 [chump]

titled item D

02:06:36 [davb]

Psychephylax: use the debian

02:06:41 [Psychephylax]

You know what hteir mandrake update did/

02:06:43 [markd2]

uset he force

02:06:45 [Psychephylax]

Broke it's own symlinks

02:06:59 [Psychephylax]

3 of them were in /boot

02:07:03 [Psychephylax]

I fixed those

02:07:09 [rbm]

talli: Are you there?

02:07:11 [Psychephylax]

I dare not search for the other broken ones

02:09:14 [talli]

hey rbm

02:09:28 [Psychephylax]

Hey talli :)

02:09:34 [Psychephylax]

Is it you that's reading Lord of the Rings?

02:10:04 [rbm]

talli: Would you like to edit/proof Vinod's install guide?

02:10:09 [davb]

Psychephylax: I am, 50 pages from the end of the two towers

02:10:26 [Psychephylax]

cool

02:10:41 [Psychephylax]

I'm a bit more than half way done with "The Hobbit"

02:10:47 [talli]

rbm: sure!

02:10:50 [talli]

i would be happy to do so

02:10:58 [rbm]

talli: Okay. I'm updating the Status page.

02:11:07 [davb]

Psychephylax: ah. I saw the move last night, I am kinda disappointed, I don;t think I should have read the book so close to seeing it.

02:11:16 [rbm]

Any BSD users here?

02:11:34 [rbm]

talli: Thank you btw

02:11:50 [markd2]

depends on what you mean by bsd users :-)

02:11:54 [markd2]

I've used bsd systems, and have os/x

02:11:54 [talli]

rbm: i was thinking about writing up a page about how to write package docs. like the "for everyone, for admin, for dev"

02:12:15 [rbm]

talli: Excellent.

02:12:25 [rbm]

talli: If you write it, I'll add to our documentation.

02:12:32 [talli]

cool. i'll start this eve

02:12:47 [rbm]

talli: I have my hands full with the core docs and query dispatcher (which I think I'll end up having to write)

02:12:55 [talli]

understood.

02:13:01 [talli]

feel free to dump any work on me

02:13:10 [rbm]

talli: You shouldn't have said that :){

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02:13:22 [rbm]

>:->

02:13:34 [talli]

don't worry about it. i've been trying to get you to do so for a couple of months now :)

02:13:41 [davb]

Psychephylax: how do I make xfce keep my windows inside the screen? I can't grab the title bad on Xchat and Mozilla is wider than the screen :)

02:13:50 [Psychephylax]

hold on

02:14:18 [rbm]

talli: What else would you like to do? Torsben and David (geilhufe) are working on the beginners' guide. I think you could help them with some direction.

02:14:36 [talli]

i will help them.

02:14:50 [talli]

i've been thinking alot about docs.openacs.org

02:14:50 [rbm]

talli: Should I put you as editor for that one too then?

02:14:51 [jim]

Spoken like a true shao lin priest :)

02:15:35 [talli]

david is very good, he has ALOT of experience working with non-technical users

02:15:45 [talli]

rather, people just starting out in the technical world

02:15:49 [rbm]

talli: I'm thinking of opening a bboard just docs.

02:16:18 [rbm]

s/just docs/just for documentation discussion/

02:16:22 [talli]

he started a community technology center in Oakland that trained under-represented and under-privileged groups in things like cisco routers

02:17:01 [jim]

hmmm, otx?

02:17:17 [Psychephylax]

What's a matter dave?

02:17:46 [davb]

Psychephylax: I am complaining about xfce because you recommeneded it to me :)

02:17:54 [jim]

where in Oakland?

02:18:00 [talli]

rbm: i think that a docs bboard would be good, but i think that it's important to first get a solid number of people working on them

02:18:07 [Psychephylax]

heh

02:18:13 [talli]

oakland, cA

02:18:26 [rbm]

talli: Why wait?

02:18:49 [jim]

yes, it almost surrounds me :) I go thru a tunnel and I'm in oakland :)

02:18:58 [talli]

only because i don't think it's good to have a forum like the CMS forum, which no one uses

02:19:04 [Psychephylax]

Dave I don't understand what the exact behavior you're having ap roblem with

02:19:04 [talli]

oh, cool

02:19:14 [jim]

happen to know where in oakland?

02:19:25 [talli]

i thought you said, "where is oakland?" :_

02:19:29 [davb]

Psychephylax: aha. Xchat opened a window and the title bar is off the top of the screen.

02:19:32 [talli]

east oakland. the tough part

02:19:42 [rbm]

talli: Okay.

02:19:47 [jim]

hmm, east of 70th?

02:19:49 [rbm]

talli: Uploaded new docs status page

02:20:01 [rbm]

Now I have to go babysit while my neighbors go have dinner.

02:20:06 [talli]

if there is a "tough" part, menaing worse than others :)

02:20:16 [jim]

north oak is ok

02:20:16 [talli]

ok, cool. thanks rbm

02:20:28 [jim]

west and east isn't

02:20:37 [talli]

jim: it's called the Eastmost Community Center

02:20:40 [jim]

the oakland hills can be vun

02:20:45 [jim]

eastmont

02:20:58 [jim]

if it's by the mall, that would be around 73rd

02:21:42 [Psychephylax]

What's your resolution at?

02:21:54 [Psychephylax]

I never had that problem

02:21:55 [davb]

Psychephylax: 1024x768

02:22:03 [Psychephylax]

hmmm

02:22:05 [davb]

Psychephylax: ok. must be something dumb

02:22:08 [Psychephylax]

And what is X configured at?

02:22:22 [Psychephylax]

I think it's your X config

02:22:29 [rbm]

* rbm leaves

02:22:30 [Psychephylax]

I've seen that with other winderz managers

02:22:32 [rbm]

good night all

02:22:37 [talli]

later rbm

02:22:37 [Psychephylax]

bye Roberto

02:22:41 [davb]

bye

02:31:04 [jim]

ok, I untarred oacs 4, is there a sample server config .tcl in the tarball?

02:31:13 [Psychephylax]

yes

02:31:20 [Psychephylax]

wait

02:31:21 [Psychephylax]

maybe not

02:31:36 [jim]

I can't find install instructions

02:31:42 [Psychephylax]

For what?

02:31:48 [Psychephylax]

oACS or AOLServer?

02:31:57 [jim]

but I got most stuff going, aolserver, pg done

02:32:09 [Psychephylax]

ok

02:32:16 [Psychephylax]

So you need help with OACS?

02:32:16 [jim]

(with all needed modules, afaik)

02:32:19 [jim]

yes

02:32:24 [davb]

jim: hang on I'll get the install doc

02:32:32 [Psychephylax]

The way I have it set up is to untar it to /web

02:32:57 [davb]

http://openacs.org/new-file-storage/download/openacs-4.html?version_id=470

02:32:57 [chump]

E: http://openacs.org/new-file-storage/download/openacs-4.html?version_id=470 from davb

02:33:01 [Psychephylax]

you just need to fix the AOLServer config file

02:33:05 [davb]

E:|vinod's brief install guide

02:33:05 [chump]

titled item E

02:33:18 [davb]

also I know the new one is around somewhere

02:33:36 [jim]

help? maybe not so handy holdy... I can read, if that's preferred...

02:34:07 [davb]

jim: there is a link to a sample config file in there I think...

02:34:30 [davb]

http://openacs.org/new-file-storage/download/openacs4.tcl.txt?version_id=157

02:34:30 [chump]

F: http://openacs.org/new-file-storage/download/openacs4.tcl.txt?version_id=157 from davb

02:34:36 [davb]

F:|Sample nsd.tcl for OpenACS 4

02:34:36 [chump]

titled item F

02:43:50 [hazmat]

does openacs4 work with pg7.2betas yet?

02:44:12 [davb]

not that I heard. last I saw there was a 'bug'

02:44:30 [hazmat]

ok

02:45:08 [jim]

anyone perform the create or replace test?

02:45:42 [davb]

no I haven't tried 7.2beta yet.

03:00:12 [davb]

brb

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04:20:53 [Psychephylax]

Hmmm

04:21:03 [Psychephylax]

Roberto, you alive?

04:30:01 [Psychephylax]

* Psychephylax goes to bed

09:27:19 [jim]

anyone around? finally trying to start oacs 4

10:20:24 [jim]

HOT!! it started and grabbed a db handle! (needed LD_LIBRARY_PATH set to the pg libs)

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11:22:56 [jim]

now I get to file some bugs :)

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14:04:31 [miguel]

hi guys

14:05:36 [miguel]

hi dave

14:06:14 [davb]

hello

14:07:11 [miguel]

you gave me the link of the psets ported to PG?

14:07:13 [miguel]

right?

14:11:59 [davb]

not me :)

14:12:23 [davb]

argh.

14:12:30 [davb]

the stylesheet for chump is broken...

14:12:30 [miguel]

yes you are right

14:12:38 [miguel]

what?

14:12:45 [miguel]

i have just checked the logs

14:12:57 [miguel]

and it was actually talli who told me so

14:13:15 [miguel]

i checked the website and there is actually only two

14:13:23 [miguel]

psets ported to PG

14:13:58 [miguel]

I also made another doc with the same text but also added the solutions, anyway those ones should be checked

14:14:26 [davb]

ok

14:15:26 [miguel]

you dont have anything to do with this stuff right? ;) it was roberto the one who was interested

14:16:33 [miguel]

what i am interested in, is that roberto mentioned that there are some people working on writting some beginners stuff for OACS

14:16:36 [miguel]

is that right?

14:17:44 [davb]

yes.

14:17:52 [davb]

Roberto is in charge of the documentation.

14:18:20 [davb]

I am marginally involved in that I should be updating the docs for static pages. :)

14:19:40 [davb]

cool I fixed it. (chump)

14:19:46 [miguel]

ok ;)

14:19:58 [davb]

except I lost the output for 1/4 and 1/3

14:20:11 [miguel]

sorry

14:20:13 [miguel]

about it

14:20:26 [davb]

no, its there... weird.

14:20:45 [davb]

ah. the xml is there, the html will get created in a little while.

14:21:20 [miguel]

sorry for my ignorance, but what is the chump thing?

14:22:36 [davb]

http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog

14:22:37 [chump]

A: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog from davb

14:22:47 [davb]

argh, it logged itself :)

14:24:29 [davb]

It logs all the URLs entered on a line by themselves and alows you at add comments.

14:24:41 [davb]

Real Soon Now :) it will be searchable.

14:26:21 [miguel]

ok didnt know

14:26:57 [miguel]

and where is the comment added?

14:27:19 [davb]

Each URL is given a letter so:

14:27:24 [davb]

A: This is a comment

14:27:25 [chump]

commented item A

14:27:35 [davb]

It shows up on the page in a minute or two.

14:28:43 [miguel]

ok

14:29:11 [miguel]

wow mate that means more or less that you have to take care of what is said in this chat

14:29:13 [miguel]

?

14:33:30 [davb]

The entire text of the channel is logged also. Its in the notices when you log on. You can always put a # in front of what you say and it won't be logged.

14:35:23 [miguel]

yes, i know that the log of the chat appears in the notices. anyway i realized that with mIRC i cant see that notice

14:35:53 [davb]

there should be a tab for the server, the messages appear there I think.

14:36:05 [davb]

or type loggy, off

14:36:08 [davb]

loggy, off

14:36:30 [miguel]

ok good

14:36:59 [miguel]

* miguel lessons of how to use the channel with Dave

14:37:00 [miguel]

;)

14:38:38 [miguel]

i am curious, how does work all this chump and loggy thing? it is a software that you can add to the IRC or you programmed it by yourself?

14:39:01 [davb]

Its a program written in python that runs on my server and connects to the channel. I did not write it.

14:39:30 [davb]

loggy is run by AaronSw who has been busy, but nice enough to run it for us anyway.

14:40:32 [miguel]

are both programs then? where can i get' em?

14:40:42 [miguel]

i am want to have my own irc server

14:40:48 [miguel]

i want to have my own irc server

14:41:22 [davb]

Ah. these are bots the connect to the server. Although I am sure you can download irc server software somewhere. These are automated clients.

14:41:29 [davb]

http://usefulinc.com/chump/

14:41:29 [chump]

B: http://usefulinc.com/chump/ from davb

14:41:37 [davb]

B:| Daily Chump Bot

14:41:38 [chump]

titled item B

14:42:09 [davb]

http://cvs.ilrt.org/cvsweb/redland/logger/

14:42:09 [chump]

C: http://cvs.ilrt.org/cvsweb/redland/logger/ from davb

14:42:13 [davb]

C:|Logger

14:42:14 [chump]

titled item C

14:43:27 [miguel]

thanks dave. I always learn a new thing every time i log on

14:43:40 [davb]

That is what we are here for :)

14:44:39 [miguel]

;)

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15:02:01 [davb]

hi docwolf

15:02:07 [miguel]

hi docwolf

15:02:08 [docwolf]

hi!

15:02:40 [davb]

thanks

15:02:47 [davb]

I am rebuilding it with OpenACS 4.

15:05:07 [miguel]

dave you were working for a NY office or something like that?

15:05:34 [miguel]

a language package for OACS 3.x?

15:06:00 [davb]

acs-lang

15:06:14 [davb]

migual I am in a small town near the capital of New York State

15:06:33 [davb]

I work for New York State yes, but not on OpenACS, that I do on my own.

15:07:25 [miguel]

ok i will check that package

15:07:38 [docwolf]

any of you guys know who "tomkat" is?

15:07:41 [miguel]

yes you were working with Access or something like that?

15:08:54 [davb]

heh yeah

15:09:15 [davb]

docwolf: never heard of him. Is he a Java web guru or something? :)

15:10:00 [miguel]

ok guys gotta go. Ill see you other time

15:10:09 [davb]

bye

15:10:20 [docwolf]

he posted a message on the bboards

15:10:26 [docwolf]

just wondering who he was.

15:10:44 [miguel]

bye

15:10:47 [davb]

Oh...

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15:16:34 [davb]

He is kinda over the top. Why do we need RPMs of a development snapsnot etc...

15:17:01 [the_docwolf]

talking about the tomkat post?

15:17:13 [davb]

yeah

15:17:25 [davb]

Also I knew NOTHING and I installed it no problem.

15:17:25 [the_docwolf]

i agree with him on many points

15:17:29 [the_docwolf]

well

15:17:48 [davb]

Yes but we are working towards all of the things he mentioned.

15:17:56 [the_docwolf]

i've started up a company, and right now we are building out the IT infrastructure... the lead programmer is looking at toolkits that we can use

15:18:20 [the_docwolf]

this programmer was one of the "original" aD cast members (like one of the first 10 employees)

15:18:26 [davb]

Aha.

15:18:43 [the_docwolf]

and he said something kind of scary to me last night....

15:18:43 [davb]

I just saw your post also.

15:18:46 [davb]

uhoh

15:19:20 [the_docwolf]

"I am a PG expert, an AOLserver expert, a Tcl expert. I've used ACS before their was a real ACS. And I had a difficult time setting up and figuring out openacs 4"

15:19:48 [the_docwolf]

"I am not a python expert by any stretch, yet I was able to download, setup, and start using WebWare in < 3 hours"

15:19:53 [davb]

Really I am surprised. Did he read the install guide?

15:20:08 [the_docwolf]

I assume he did.

15:20:22 [davb]

I think everything is coming together although not as quickly as some would like.

15:20:26 [the_docwolf]

He does most of his projects in OpenACS 3.x or ACS 3.x... so it's not like he's been totally out of it

15:20:53 [the_docwolf]

he is particularly dismayed at the design of the content repository

15:20:56 [davb]

Main problem, you need to download OpenACS 4, and the PGdriver from one place, AOLserver from another place (and that is hard to find because its in the old archive), Postgresql frm another palce

15:20:58 [davb]

etc...

15:21:07 [davb]

Really, he doesn't like the content repository?

15:21:17 [davb]

What issues did he have with it?

15:21:21 [the_docwolf]

he fails to see the point.

15:21:26 [davb]

Ah.

15:21:34 [the_docwolf]

he can't figure out the benefits, and their are some potential performance disasters lurking

15:22:12 [the_docwolf]

also, the notion of the content repository, according to him, wasn't somemthing that was formally studied by aD.

15:22:15 [davb]

If offers an API to acs_objects.

15:22:17 [the_docwolf]

it was one of philip's crazy ideas

15:22:20 [davb]

I am sure it was not.

15:22:28 [the_docwolf]

... that yoon decided to implement

15:22:35 [davb]

nothing was studied afact

15:22:40 [davb]

afaict

15:22:45 [davb]

:)

15:22:59 [davb]

People are using it for real web sites supposedly.

15:23:19 [davb]

Anyway the content repository will stay in OpenACS 4. Maybe in 5 we will have a better idea.

15:23:35 [the_docwolf]

yeah. I really don't understand the benefits of it though

15:23:40 [the_docwolf]

i hope someone responds to my post.

15:23:41 [davb]

Also it is not REQUIRED you use it. Although the modules we have do.

15:24:07 [the_docwolf]

right, all proper openacs 4 modules will probably use it, though.

15:24:13 [the_docwolf]

i guess the whole idea was to centralize content

15:24:31 [davb]

yes, for site-wide-search etc...

15:25:09 [davb]

It provides versioning, categorization, searching...

15:25:39 [davb]

that way each package doesn't need to have its own API for handling content.

15:26:11 [davb]

the worst part is everything is in one huge table.

15:26:21 [the_docwolf]

right

15:26:28 [the_docwolf]

and apparently, that could be deadly in PG

15:26:43 [the_docwolf]

with oracle, you can have multiple tablespaces, etc...

15:26:53 [the_docwolf]

so if one part of the site is particularly busy, you can offload it to another disk

15:26:57 [davb]

Right, but what is _good_ about everything using the content repository is...

15:27:16 [davb]

we can change the underlyning structure etc... as long as the API stays the same the packages will still work.

15:27:35 [davb]

So if we need to have a table for old revisions and one for live revisions or something....

15:29:05 [davb]

I am not the best person to explain this, I just know it works for me :) and I certainly wouldn't know how to design somthing better.

15:29:47 [davb]

Do other toolkits do this differently?

15:31:06 [davb]

I think most people are thinking right now, if size gets to be an issue, you can probably afford Oracle :)

15:32:46 [the_docwolf]

heh

15:32:59 [the_docwolf]

we're looking at webware

15:34:29 [davb]

As a toolkit, OpenACS is passable. The value is all the stuff thats in there, user management, etc...

15:34:39 [docwolf]

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15:34:54 [the_docwolf]

weird

15:35:03 [the_docwolf]

i've got 2 of mem

15:35:04 [the_docwolf]

me

15:35:07 [the_docwolf]

on IRC

15:35:21 [davb]

not anymore

15:35:57 [davb]

:)

15:37:25 [davb]

webware is supposed to be pretty good. Also can run in AOLServer under PyWX :)

15:37:38 [the_docwolf]

yeah, i saw that :-)

15:37:50 [the_docwolf]

webware does seem pretty thoughtfully engineered, and simple.

15:38:05 [davb]

Ah, so the total opposite of OpenACS>

15:38:40 [davb]

I dream of the good parts of OpenACS in a popular language etc...

15:38:53 [the_docwolf]

heh

15:39:02 [the_docwolf]

there was talk of reimplementing openacs in python

15:39:07 [the_docwolf]

but no one ever made the move

15:39:39 [davb]

Its really too much work for anyone. They just do enough for one client.

15:39:53 [davb]

The toolkit is too expensive to build for most of us.

15:58:53 [davb]

bbl

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16:21:52 [talli]

morning guys

16:22:02 [davb]

Hi talli

16:22:14 [Psychephylax]

morning all

16:23:04 [davb]

hey Psychephylax!

16:23:08 [Psychephylax]

hey dave!

16:23:31 [Psychephylax]

i'm almost done with the first book

16:23:36 [Psychephylax]

Then onto Lord of the Rings

16:24:10 [davb]

Ah. the adventure begins. I have started Return of the King.

16:24:18 [Psychephylax]

nice

16:24:25 [Psychephylax]

How long did it take you to read 2 towers?

16:24:41 [davb]

5 days or so, not every day.

16:24:54 [Psychephylax]

so it's not hard of a read?

16:25:23 [davb]

I quit when I get tired of it. I think its hard for me, but you will be fine.

16:25:59 [Psychephylax]

well, 5 days is not exactly a long time :)

16:26:05 [Psychephylax]

especially not every day

16:26:21 [Psychephylax]

I think I'm on day 5 of "The Hobbit"

16:26:22 [davb]

There is not so much singing as in The Fellowship of the Ring.

16:26:27 [Psychephylax]

I got it on Wed

16:26:44 [Psychephylax]

yep, day 5

16:28:22 [Psychephylax]

:-D

16:28:24 [Psychephylax]

Games, or book

16:28:30 [Psychephylax]

games or book....games or book....

16:28:31 [davb]

heh

16:28:37 [Psychephylax]

Stay fuzzy....

16:28:41 [Psychephylax]

...save the world

16:28:42 [Psychephylax]

.

16:28:44 [Psychephylax]

choices

16:29:18 [davb]

I got the Leonardo diVinci CD from Corbis, its pretty cool. They scanned in one of hsi notebooks.

16:29:30 [Psychephylax]

oh cool

16:29:33 [Psychephylax]

How much?

16:30:30 [davb]

$5 I think. Arcamax.com I think...

16:30:47 [davb]

its the one bill gates bought.

16:31:09 [davb]

They have it in the original, then transcribed in italtian (or whatever it is :) and english.

16:31:39 [Psychephylax]

what category is it under

16:32:10 [davb]

not sure...

16:33:13 [davb]

my wife bought it.

16:33:15 [Psychephylax]

found it!

16:33:24 [Psychephylax]

i'll have to get it later

16:33:33 [davb]

cool!

16:33:33 [Psychephylax]

I spent way too much money in the last 4 days

16:34:07 [davb]

To home depot I go...

16:34:12 [Psychephylax]

hehehe

16:34:15 [Psychephylax]

Ok, you have fun there!

16:34:23 [Psychephylax]

I'm going to play some games maybe

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17:08:46 [adler]

good morning

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18:13:37 [Spork]

* Spork yawns

18:16:06 [markd2]

* yawn Sporks

19:18:19 [davb]

hi guys

19:18:22 [davb]

slow day huh?

19:19:16 [davb]

http://www.neuber.com/typograph/

19:19:17 [chump]

D: http://www.neuber.com/typograph/ from davb

19:19:34 [davb]

D:|Typograf, font manager for MS Windows 9x, ME, NT, XP, 2000

19:19:35 [chump]

titled item D

19:26:03 [davb]

* davb thinks about adding a banner ideas package for OpenACS 4

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19:47:08 [Spork]

Dave?

19:51:48 [davb]

yes

19:51:57 [Spork]

I finished The Hobbit

19:52:14 [davb]

cool

19:52:15 [Spork]

But there are a few things that don't make sense

19:52:35 [Spork]

Actually, they probably do I just do not remember hte movie

19:53:08 [Spork]

In the beginning of the movie who had the ring when they were killed and their finger was cut off

19:53:18 [Spork]

Back when they didn't cast the ring back into the mountain

19:53:51 [Spork]

it couldn't have been Smaug that's for sure

19:54:08 [davb]

Isildur

19:54:29 [davb]

Hi father was the King, and was killed right before he got the ring.

19:54:34 [Spork]

Ok, I am guessing I'll know more about Isildur from the second book?

19:54:38 [davb]

He's not in the hobbit at all.

19:55:03 [Spork]

ok I figured that much

19:55:27 [Spork]

The thing that confuses me is the fact that Bilbo already has the ring when Gandalf comes to visit him in the movie

19:55:40 [davb]

There is alot more. Skip to the Appendixes in the return of the king for all kinds of excrutiaing details.

19:55:43 [Spork]

Like the beginning of the movie doesn't make sense anymore lol

19:55:55 [davb]

The hobbit is not part of that story.

19:56:08 [Spork]

In a way it is

19:56:12 [Spork]

Just not directly

19:56:30 [davb]

well yeah. But it is not actualy part of The Lord of the Rings. It was supposed to be one book, but it is three.

19:56:33 [Spork]

I mean the Gollum part from the movie was taken out of the hobbit...maybe as a flashback

19:56:46 [davb]

yes, that whole intro was extra.

19:56:51 [davb]

but cool.

19:56:57 [Spork]

ok, that's what I figured

19:57:11 [Spork]

the intro must have been a flashback of some sort

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19:58:16 [davb]

some of it is probably in the introduction to The Fellowship of the RIng, I skipped it because it is mostly a replay of the hobbit, but there is some info about other stuff.

19:58:29 [Spork]

hehe

19:58:32 [Spork]

I'll find out soon enough

19:58:42 [Spork]

I did flip through the Lord of the Rings

19:59:05 [Spork]

it is indeed a worthier challenge than The Hobbit, the font is smaller, it's got 150 more pages and there's less space between the lines :-)

20:00:11 [Spork]

The Hobbit was "cute" as a book...I like how he goes into the unnecessary details that convey the way the characters are feeling

20:00:35 [davb]

that is the whole point :)

20:00:50 [davb]

and almost 100% of that was left out of the movie.

20:01:08 [Spork]

bah

20:01:23 [Spork]

I dunno, I was laughing at some of the parts of The Hobbit

20:01:36 [davb]

http://www.textism.com/article/434

20:01:37 [chump]

E: http://www.textism.com/article/434 from davb

20:01:40 [Spork]

I hope the other books are like that

20:01:43 [davb]

E:|How to Drive in France

20:01:43 [chump]

titled item E

20:02:31 [Spork]

LOL!

20:02:37 [davb]

Spork: there is alot more pure evil in the next ones. It is a story of the people and how they grew and changed and met these challanges. The fantasy setting is not the most important part of the books.

20:02:54 [davb]

That is not a joke, that is the manual they give you when you go to DMV.

20:03:07 [davb]

They drive EXACTLY like that.

20:03:51 [Spork]

Are you serious?

20:04:50 [davb]

not the drivers manual part :) But in Paris the experience was very like that.

20:04:50 [Spork]

i'm moving to france

20:04:54 [Spork]

oh

20:05:06 [davb]

There is no concept of "lane"

20:05:08 [Spork]

That's how Santo Domingo was

20:05:26 [Spork]

Infact, since they are rebuilding their dirt roads into paved

20:05:42 [Spork]

People just drive on other sides of the road where the construction is

20:05:49 [davb]

oh the roads in paris were well paved. THey also only drive fast. You either floor it or slam on the brakes.

20:06:05 [Spork]

hehehe

20:07:04 [Spork]

hmmm

20:07:16 [Spork]

To read the next book, take a break or play more video games :-.

20:07:37 [Spork]

I %Icould%I read a programming book

20:07:39 [Spork]

ack

20:08:06 [davb]

video games are good.

20:10:23 [Spork]

lol

20:11:16 [Spork]

i'm bored

20:11:39 [Spork]

but I usually fail in entertaining myself

20:14:35 [Spork]

Is there a linux plugin for Quicktime?

20:17:57 [Spork]

mmm...chinese junk food is so good

20:18:57 [rbm]

Spork: AFAIK yes, but I never tried.

20:19:49 [Spork]

oic

20:19:50 [Spork]

ok

20:34:33 [Spork]

* Spork wanders off to read The Lord of the Rings

21:11:41 [talli]

davb: you there?

21:11:51 [davb]

yes I am

21:12:06 [talli]

i have some ETP questions for you...

21:12:13 [davb]

Ok/

21:12:23 [talli]

how much of ETP is based on ACS specific code?

21:12:46 [davb]

hmmmm. just the content repository I think.

21:13:05 [davb]

and it uses the templating.

21:13:13 [davb]

ack, also permission :)

21:13:13 [talli]

does it use the CR heavily?

21:13:33 [davb]

everything goes in the CR. It uses it for versioning also.

21:13:40 [talli]

i see

21:14:08 [davb]

Need ETP functions without OpenACS huh?

21:15:16 [talli]

yes, well i was wondering whether the architecture of ETP could be rebuilt in another system, or whether it would require a pretty complete rewrite

21:15:39 [talli]

whether you could start in the same place or you would have to rebuild CR and everything else.

21:15:45 [davb]

Depends on what the other system offers.

21:15:55 [talli]

are you familiar with webware at all?

21:16:09 [davb]

I have heard of it. But not looked at it.

21:16:46 [davb]

Most important are the versioning of content and the permissions.

21:18:18 [talli]

there are some functions for managing users in webware

21:18:28 [talli]

i don't see anything for versioning quite yet

21:20:11 [davb]

Webware is like acs-core, user management, templating, database api

21:20:55 [davb]

are there any add-on applications for webware?

21:23:29 [talli]

no, not really

21:23:44 [talli]

that's kinda why i'm looking at what it would be like to build ETP for it

21:24:03 [davb]

I see on the webware wiki there are alot of plans for the kinds of things OpenACS provides.

21:24:05 [talli]

it would be a complimentary application kit for us.

21:24:14 [talli]

yes, there are.

21:24:34 [talli]

it's very well documented

21:24:40 [talli]

much better than a nightmare like zope

21:25:00 [davb]

I would say webware needs a few more low-level intrastructural items to build a full-featured toolkit that works well together. So does OpenACS :)

21:25:43 [davb]

You have seen this? http://www.textism.com/article/434

21:25:46 [davb]

oops

21:25:49 [davb]

(well thats cool too)'

21:25:57 [davb]

- http://twistedmatrix.com/

21:26:07 [davb]

another python web framework.

21:26:47 [talli]

i heard about that

21:27:45 [davb]

that has the web server in python also, which I think is not the best idea for a scalable system.

21:59:41 [davb]

heh

21:59:51 [Spork]

;-)

21:59:56 [davb]

Spork strikes again!

21:59:57 [Spork]

I read the first chapter in LOTR

22:00:02 [Spork]

It's not that hard of a read

22:00:09 [Spork]

It's movie-ish

22:00:14 [Spork]

So far

22:03:46 [Spork]

So I'm not doing ACS for a while or so it seems

22:04:08 [davb]

Ah. But we still can't get rid of you huh? :)

22:04:13 [davb]

What are you up to.

22:04:14 [Spork]

nope

22:04:16 [Spork]

:-)

22:04:45 [Spork]

I have been "lent" to a different group

22:05:08 [davb]

that must be fun.

22:05:17 [Spork]

Actually, it is!

22:05:29 [Spork]

I like my new boss a million times more than the other one

22:05:58 [davb]

great!

22:06:03 [Spork]

yes

22:06:13 [Spork]

He actually TALKS to me

22:06:13 [Spork]

lol

22:07:37 [Spork]

I picked up a perl book for 5$

22:07:50 [davb]

great.

22:07:53 [Spork]

yep

22:07:59 [Spork]

and an xml pocket reference for 2$

22:08:02 [davb]

I am trying to avoid perl if possible.

22:08:05 [Spork]

heh

22:08:12 [Spork]

I try to avoid all the languages

22:08:13 [davb]

XML is handy sometimes.

22:08:20 [Spork]

I just like buying books

22:08:28 [davb]

You should probably be a carpenter or soemthing.

22:08:32 [rbm]

I avoid Perl as much as possible, although I do own the Camel book (1/2 off at hastings(

22:08:46 [Spork]

:-)

22:08:49 [Spork]

Roberto woke up

22:08:51 [Spork]

Everyone hide

22:08:55 [Spork]

* Spork hides behind chump

22:09:04 [davb]

hi rbm

22:09:08 [rbm]

* rbm kicks chump

22:09:15 [davb]

rbm where are the new docs in CVS?

22:09:17 [rbm]

davb: I got the CDs! Thanks a million!

22:09:24 [davb]

wow, that was fast!!

22:09:29 [davb]

np

22:09:30 [Spork]

what cds?

22:09:37 [davb]

SICP lectures

22:09:40 [Spork]

Ah

22:09:44 [rbm]

davb: under packages/acs-core-docs/www/xml/

22:09:53 [davb]

ok cool, I probably already have it.

22:10:02 [davb]

I will look at updating the static-pages docs.

22:10:11 [Spork]

Lack of good movies = boredom

22:10:11 [davb]

especially because we added a few features etc...

22:10:19 [davb]

watch the matrix again

22:10:24 [rbm]

Real Player freezes on the 1a presentation, but goes okay on 1b. It freezes probably because my CD-ROM is a 24x

22:10:44 [davb]

weird.

22:10:48 [davb]

I tested those.

22:11:27 [Spork]

162 million dollars for Lord of the Rings in december

22:11:30 [Spork]

wooow!

22:11:58 [rbm]

1% of that and I'd be happy

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(for a while at least :))

22:12:22 [Spork]

lol

22:14:32 [davb]

back to linux

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22:18:03 [Spork]

roberto, you still here?

22:18:25 [davb]

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22:18:44 [Spork]

wb dave

22:19:42 [davb]

aha! the package docs xml are in hte packages

22:19:43 [davb]

duh

22:19:46 [davb]

cool

22:19:55 [Spork]

eh?

22:19:55 [rbm]

Spork: yes

22:20:02 [Spork]

ok, I got a question for you

22:20:06 [rbm]

okay

22:20:13 [rbm]

* rbm hides

22:20:13 [Spork]

I'm in Linux now....in an X session

22:20:35 [Spork]

I will ssh into my other freebsd box

22:20:43 [rbm]

* rbm installs the -dev packages for SDL so he can compile The Magic Crayon Conundrum

22:20:43 [Spork]

what do I have to do to launch an X app on the other box?

22:20:49 [jim]

ok, I just found another problem

22:21:33 [jim]

db_0or1row isn't supposed to return "query is not a statement returning rows" isit?

22:21:50 [rbm]

Spork: If your client is set to do X forwarding and the BSD server is setup as well, as soon as you ssh in you should be able to type "echo $DISPLAY" and get something like "foo:10.0" which means that the X connection is being forwarded through SSH. Then just run the app.

22:21:51 [jim]

or maybe it is

22:22:23 [davb]

it does is there is a parse error

22:22:24 [Spork]

ok

22:22:32 [davb]

the driver returns that I think

22:22:35 [Spork]

how do I set up my client then?

22:22:37 [jim]

parse err?

22:22:40 [davb]

scroll back in the error log to see the real message

22:22:41 [jim]

hmm, ok

22:23:15 [rbm]

Spork: /etc/ssh/ssh_config

22:23:17 [davb]

rbm: what is the magic crayon conumdrum?

22:23:30 [rbm]

davb: http://crayon.ducker.org/

22:24:01 [davb]

cool

22:24:32 [Spork]

ok, I'm looking at it

22:24:45 [jim]

in other news... "[06/Jan/2002:14:25:14][7070.995333][-conn10-] Warning: APM: EnabledP does not exist"

22:24:57 [Spork]

but I don't see what I need to fix in here to make the client set the variable

22:25:26 [davb]

jim: I think it always says that...

22:26:44 [jim]

hmm...

22:27:09 [jim]

(note that I haven't extended it in any way)

22:27:31 [jim]

(but I did get it running last nite, oacs 4)

22:27:50 [Spork]

* Spork reboots to winderz to play some video gamez

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22:28:16 [davb]

jim: great.

22:29:26 [jim]

there's a bug in the db that says "only the author can see wp presentation even if he makes it publ"; that's not true for me

22:30:06 [davb]

maybe it was fixed... or misreported.

22:32:37 [davb]

I love the reload link in the package manager

22:33:00 [jim]

yeah, that's been there in regular acs

22:36:01 [davb]

wimpy point works ok for me too.

22:37:50 [jim]

but you can't edit to add html tags

22:38:02 [jim]

you can create new

22:38:07 [davb]

ah

22:38:10 [jim]

but if you edit,

22:38:30 [jim]

it wahwahs about having tags

22:38:42 [jim]

(those are the bugs I filed last nite)

22:39:00 [davb]

I wonder which is correct.

22:39:55 [jim]

wimpy point presentations should allow tags in certain fields, but I don't know yet exactly which

22:40:26 [jim]

in presentation properties, the presentation title should -not- allow tags

22:40:47 [jim]

in slides, everything should let you tag

22:45:47 [talli]

is rbm still here?

22:47:04 [talli]

do you guys know whether Xemacs and Emacs are very different or are they effectively the same? i mean, in configuring the two?

22:47:29 [rbm]

talli: yes. Trying to get Magic Crayon Conundrum to compile

22:47:38 [rbm]

talli: Go with FSF Emacs 21

22:48:30 [talli]

rbm: i'm using winXP. has emacs 21 been released for win yet?

22:49:20 [rbm]

talli: I think so.

22:49:21 [jim]

talli: does cygwin do xp?

22:49:29 [talli]

it is

22:49:45 [talli]

jim: dunno

22:50:42 [talli]

rbm: what's the big difference between xemacs and FSF emacs?

22:51:05 [jim]

I think emacs21 might be a folding together of the two

22:51:25 [jim]

(that has occasionally happened in the history of them)

22:52:14 [davb]

talli: yes

22:52:21 [davb]

emacs 21 for win is available.

22:53:10 [talli]

davb: you know which file to download from the gnu ftp server?

22:53:45 [talli]

is there an internet download util?

22:54:45 [jim]

I would guess fullbin

22:55:00 [jim]

yeah :) it's called...

22:55:04 [talli]

thanks jim

22:55:07 [jim]

ftp

22:57:09 [talli]

no, i mean an internet download. like an apt-get util. Xemacs has a nice setup facility for downloading packages

22:58:10 [jim]

no idea

22:59:42 [talli]

ah, found the readme. sorry for the annoyance :)

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23:21:49 [rbm]

Ufff. 2:36 and 77 reactions

23:21:52 [rbm]

Argh. That's a fun game.

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[Global Notice] Hi all. One of our main rotation servers will need to reboot in about 10 minutes. The reboot will take about 2 minutes. About 1,100 users are affected. We'll message them separately. Apologies for the inconvenience.

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