00:05:18 miguel (monchi@cable192a061.usuarios.retecal.es) has joined #openacs 00:05:26 hi guys!!! 00:06:34 happy new year!!! 00:08:31 nobody here? 00:26:41 rzolf has quit ("rzolf has no reason") 00:35:36 miguel has quit (" IRcap 7.0 http://www.ircap.net !!") 00:36:32 davb: A. Holub, "The C Companion"... good book 01:07:30 moo 01:07:31 * rbm just got his free Dr. Dobbs 01:14:47 good mag 01:24:30 I've been enjoying. 01:25:40 woooo 01:25:41 me tired 01:38:46 markd2: here? 02:22:26 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-21-223-168.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 02:29:40 nope he ain't 02:37:51 til has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02:38:11 docwolf has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02:52:36 rzolf (~rolf@above.badgertronics.com) has joined #openacs 03:36:20 jim has quit (Remote closed the connection) 04:19:45 [Global Notice] Hi all. Non-critical comments and announcements appear from time to time on WALLOPS along with detailed server administrative info. 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Thanks. 06:17:09 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 06:17:09 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06:25:36 rzolf has quit ("rzolf has no reason") 06:50:42 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 09:43:21 hazmat has quit (adams.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:43:22 chump has quit (adams.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:43:22 beattiek has quit (adams.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:53:38 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #OpenACS 09:53:39 beattiek (~beattiek@bmhd25b1y14ha.bc.hsia.telus.net) has joined #OpenACS 09:53:39 chump (~chump@alb-24-58-160-41.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 10:21:50 til (~tils@62.116.25.202) has joined #openacs 11:30:47 miguel (monchi@cable192a061.usuarios.retecal.es) has joined #openacs 11:31:44 miguel has quit (Client Quit) 12:04:10 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 12:49:57 miguel (miguel@cable192a061.usuarios.retecal.es) has joined #openacs 12:50:25 hi guys!! happy new year!!! 12:51:44 hi ola 12:51:53 so long without seeing you over here 12:53:10 hello miguel! 12:53:20 happy new year to you to! 12:53:28 hehehe 12:53:36 how are you doing? 12:54:00 * ola is struggling with swedish charset 12:54:09 with openacS? 12:54:30 with debian. 12:54:54 how is it going with OACS 3.x? 12:55:38 fine 12:55:44 i finished the pset 1 12:55:50 and I have been changing 12:56:06 to adjust it to OpenACS and PostgreSQL 12:56:15 also i copied my solutions 12:56:20 to a different file 12:56:21 good to hear. will there be a HOWTO? 12:56:28 :-) 12:56:38 it could be 12:56:55 I would like to contact with someone over here who would be interested in that 12:57:09 i checked the docs in infogettable 12:57:31 and as far as I have seen what you taught me about how to install OpenACS 12:57:41 and that docs dont differ too much 12:58:26 almost nothing... just some things I wnted to clarify for myself. 12:59:10 (compared to original OACS docs) 12:59:19 well 12:59:28 i think your docs are much more clear 12:59:43 right now i cant remember if you say something like 12:59:52 you have to change the pg passwd 12:59:54 for "" 13:00:14 if you want i can send you over the logs that I stored of your on-line help 13:01:01 I dont think I do. sure send 'em over... 13:02:39 heh. I can't write the "at" sign... 13:02:47 what? 13:02:52 rockola_at_mail.com 13:03:10 i am trying to send you it by DCC 13:03:11 oh. you sent via irc? 13:03:16 yes 13:03:18 ;) 13:03:27 how can I recieve that? :-) 13:03:45 dont you have any IRC client? 13:04:06 I'm typing on one now;-) 13:04:28 but I don know many of the commands in epic4... 13:04:29 so i guess you must be able to accept 13:04:37 it is not a graphical one? 13:04:45 nope. 13:04:47 me i am using 13:04:51 xchat 13:05:28 i dont know the command 13:05:33 ok. perhaps I should try that some day. 13:05:49 can u email me instead? 13:05:55 yes sure 13:06:00 _at_ stands for at? 13:06:02 @ 13:06:15 so your email is rockola@email.com? 13:06:27 so your email is rockola@mail.com? 13:06:29 sorry 13:06:32 exactly. :-) (the charset is messed-up...) 13:07:04 try with /DCC 13:08:53 hmm. it shows me that you want to send something. 13:08:53 does it work? 13:09:05 nope 13:11:13 i think you have to try /DCC get miguel #openacs.log 13:11:17 or something like thta 13:11:41 or something like that 13:12:18 by the way infogettable.net is down 13:13:31 ola? 13:13:40 hello;-) 13:13:43 if doesnt work dont worry, i will send you it over 13:13:45 by email 13:13:59 just was trying the commands, i love messing around with things 13:15:32 did it work? 13:16:19 aha! /dcc get miguel worked :-) 13:16:23 hehehe 13:16:28 qool! 13:16:29 well we both learned a new thing 13:16:32 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.63.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 13:16:40 hello markd2 13:16:49 happy new year markd2 13:17:07 thanks! 13:17:12 np 13:17:30 the infogettable.net web site is down 13:17:34 very nice. now /help works in my epic4. 13:18:07 miguel: I know. I want to rest my ears..:-)) 13:18:21 ok 13:18:33 its your home server? 13:18:39 yup. 13:18:45 hehehe 13:19:08 i was just trying to configure my home server too, in salamanca where i am from 13:19:15 in a couple of weeks I intend to bring it up permanently (more or less) 13:19:21 by the way roberto mello suggested me to change to OACS 4.x 13:19:32 how is your business going? 13:19:58 haven't started yet. 13:20:36 I will wait for OACS4 is released properly 13:20:55 s/for/until 13:22:37 I too think you should switch to OACS4. It's very cool. 13:23:03 are you working with both? 13:24:28 well, I have more or less stopped to think about 3.x, but I do have a site that runs on 3.x. 13:24:52 ok 13:25:06 the switch as roberto told me its a bit difficult 13:25:27 what's stopping you fron working on 4.x? 13:26:03 have you got working sites on 3.x? 13:27:39 no, not yet 13:27:44 i just using 3.x 13:27:49 for doing the problem set 1 13:27:57 which doesnt make any difference actually 13:28:15 its now that I have to get into the toolkit in pset 2 13:28:37 thats when roberto told me that I should get into 4.x 13:29:04 but my coordinator thinks that they are convered with 4.x because they are using something similar ACS 4.x 13:29:52 and he thinks that if i use 3.x if they need to port something to 4.x i would be helpful 13:32:41 well, all development is concentrated on OACS4.x - not ACS4. but OACS3.x pretty much just works.. 13:33:15 ACS with still be under development by the Oracle guys? 13:35:40 I don't think so. OACS4 supports Oracle and has won over most, if not all of the Tcl community... 13:37:43 ok 13:37:59 my uneducated guess is that not many people will use ACS4 after OACS4 is released, which may be in a couple of mounts. 13:38:06 who do you think i should contact with to offer the pset 1 modified for PG? 13:38:41 ok good by that time i will be done with my finals 13:39:56 maybe you want some help to work on your docs 13:39:59 if so let me now 13:40:23 i would like to collaborate with you guys, specially with you ola, you helped me a lot in my beginnings 13:44:04 Roberto, I think. 13:45:18 :-) 13:45:23 I'm not really working on them. I mainly made them to get a chance to try out DocBook;-) 13:46:06 ok. np. 13:46:06 DocBook? 13:46:29 a set of xml/html-like markup tags 13:46:44 never heard about it 13:46:55 and some accompanying programs to take tagged text and turn it into other formats (specifically html) 13:47:19 most linuxdoc HOWTOS are converted to HTML using DocBook... 13:47:32 http://www.docbook.org/ 13:47:33 A: http://www.docbook.org/ from markd2 13:47:41 and, of course, Robertos docs! 13:47:47 A:| DocBook.org - home page of the O'Reilly DocBook book 13:47:47 titled item A 13:48:11 ok ill check it out 13:48:19 the docbook book is a couple of short chapters of intro, and then a lot of reference on specific tags 13:48:54 thanks markd 13:49:34 ok go for lunch 13:49:41 see you later guys 13:49:52 later miguel. 13:49:57 * miguel is away: I'm busy 13:59:56 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 14:03:00 bbiab 14:03:03 ola has quit ("changing universes") 14:22:37 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 14:29:02 ola has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:35:56 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 14:41:22 * miguel is back 14:41:31 wb 14:41:38 thanks 14:41:55 you on debian? 14:43:14 no, red hat 14:43:16 ;) 14:43:19 you use debian right? 14:44:10 trying to, yes. 14:44:21 ;) 14:44:31 i started with RH because i had more docs 14:44:40 but now i am considering move to Debian 14:45:47 RH is alot easier to install and have working for non-english languages it appears... 14:46:01 yes it does 14:47:26 the RH installer even has a software RAID conf option. I like that. 14:49:12 yes, it has it since version 7.2 14:49:18 thats very good 14:49:28 anyway debian has a transactional file system 14:49:34 raiser or something like that 14:49:51 i dont know if there is something similar in RH, do you? 14:50:22 I think RH has that too (not sure) 14:50:38 ext3 at least... 14:51:23 ive got to check it out. 14:51:40 what? debian? 14:51:44 so what are you doing now? preparing to start out with your new company 14:51:59 no, ive got to check if there is something similar in RH 14:52:02 do you use debian? 14:52:08 not RH? 14:53:30 I use RH but just switched to debian a couple days ago and I think I like it, so I'll probably change to it. ;-) 14:54:32 I have started to write on the marketing that will be on our homepage, and greating logs and suck:-) 14:54:45 s/greating logs and suck:-) 14:55:00 sorry 14:55:27 s/greating/creating 14:55:28 what are you going to do exactly in your co? 14:57:33 basicly offer online communities to organizations in our neighborhood. 14:58:13 do you think that there is a market for it? 14:58:18 will you install intranets? 14:58:47 I dunno yet. but I hope ther is:-) 15:00:12 intranets seem like a good idea. 15:00:57 yes they are 15:01:17 i think openacs adjust quite well to many services you can give to customers 15:03:59 one question, to load the datamodel of openacs i have to use nsadmin right? i am installing OACS at home and i dont have the docs right now here 15:04:13 one small problem might be the current lack of internationalization, I'm afraid. 15:04:43 miguel, yes 15:06:23 you mean internationalization of OACS? 15:07:00 AFAIK i think there is a guy of MIT or something like that in Germany working on the internationalization of 15:07:02 OACS 15:07:42 I think there must be some kind of organization of how to do it, that way will be easier to change for the different languages 15:07:48 here in europe we have a few ;) 15:09:10 there is the acs-lang package for different languages ... but that is far from being finished. hi btw ;-) 15:10:25 but thats for ACS or OACS? 15:10:34 hi til! just what I was gonna say;-) 15:11:08 hehe, faster :-) ... it's for (o)acs 4x 15:12:22 yesterday i stumbled over this site: www.xtender.com - i dont know what version of acs it is based on, but it looks like they did a good job on i18n 15:12:48 I think it will require all packages to be modified to some extent, though, to make it work well... 15:13:11 i18n=internationalization? 15:13:49 miguel: yes - i, the 18 characters in between, n 15:14:27 ok 15:14:41 i checking that web site 15:16:39 wow 15:16:42 looks very good 15:17:16 typing /doc/ in the url will give you a hint on the version that it is running on 15:17:29 til: nice site. the å, ä and ö on the Swedish site laks their dots though.. 15:17:42 s/laks/lacks 15:19:38 seems to be version 3.3 15:20:01 strange - german umlauts seem to work ok. they are displayed correctly in the browser, but when doing a view source they appear as those ugly two characters that everybody fears who has ever struggled with aolserver and charsets 15:23:01 ah - i think they are sending utf-8 to the client. nice 15:23:39 view source in mozilla 0.9.7 displays the german characters right. 15:24:24 ok, it's because i did view source in opera and that sends it to an external program that does not understand utf-8 (wildly guessing, that is) 15:24:33 ahh. 15:25:46 still there are problems, e.g. "Sie haben 13 days left" - the first part of this sentence is in german, the second in english ;-) 15:25:57 I cant really determine what ACS they've used. it's ACS3 right? 15:26:37 acs3 I'd think, too. not openacs3 - just judging from the /doc page 15:26:55 right. 15:27:28 do you know what the latest acs3x from ad was? 15:27:44 3.4, I think. 15:28:46 ok 15:32:39 yes it seems acs 15:33:44 rzolf (~rolf@above.badgertronics.com) has joined #openacs 15:34:16 til are you german? 15:35:27 austrian 15:35:49 ok 15:36:08 got to know one a girl from corithia 15:36:11 got to know one a girl from corinthia 15:36:23 sorry 15:36:25 s/one/once 15:37:35 this is haider-land now unfortunately ... 15:37:54 thank god i'm in vienna 15:38:36 argh! the left ALT key must be activated so I can use emacs.:-) 15:38:47 til: is he gaining popularity? 15:38:56 not with me ;-) 15:39:03 heh. col. 15:39:11 cool 15:40:16 hehe we all heard about him.that girl was not specially proud of living now there 15:52:40 til: a similar political party called "new democracy" came up in sweden about 10 years ago. I think they got approximately 10-15% of the votes before they were being thrown of the boat two years later... scary... 15:55:54 scary indeed ... one could hope that haider destroys himself one day with all the stupidities he produces. but somehow he manages to survive 15:56:07 talli (talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 15:56:51 right now he is refusing to obey a ruling of the highest court regarding the placement of bi-language street signs 15:57:30 in the areas of carinthia where there lives a certain percentage of slovenian minority 15:58:32 i18n-ized street signs if you want :-) 15:59:16 heh 16:05:10 what ive heard is that the funny thing there were journalist asking around the people from that province to see what the voters of haider think and nobody recognized that they voted for him 16:09:44 depends on the way the journalists ask, propably 16:10:37 if they go: "hey, are you one of those dumb idiots that voted for haider?" they wont find a lot ;-) 16:11:51 LOL 16:12:53 what i dont undestand is why they complain there are too many foreigners in austria. There are actually much more in Germany or France. 16:16:41 dunno why 16:20:44 brb 16:46:21 got to reboot guys 16:46:23 miguel has quit ("[x]chat") 17:09:35 ola has quit ("changing universes") 17:13:44 miguel (miguel@cable192a061.usuarios.retecal.es) has joined #openacs 17:18:23 moo 17:18:25 Hi Miguel 17:18:47 Do you have the pset 1 modified for PG? I'm looking for someone to "port" the psets from ACS 4 to OACS 17:20:36 yes 17:20:40 who told you about it? ola? 17:21:43 No. I read it in the backlog 17:21:48 i also have made a copy with the solutions 17:21:52 hehehe 17:21:54 ok 17:22:12 but of course they are my solutions, probably are not the best 17:22:58 I tried to do my best, although I am a c/c++ programmer not a tcl programmer, but I tried to optimize as much as I could 17:24:33 Is it on a publicly-accessible site? 17:25:11 no, not yet 17:25:12 sorry 17:25:40 you meant my pset 1? or the docs? 17:26:25 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 17:26:41 Hello everyone. 17:26:58 hello dave 17:27:13 5 new mail, 4 spam 17:27:24 miguel: Your pset1 17:27:28 ok 17:27:30 not yet 17:27:53 anyway I have to talk with my coordinator 17:28:07 to see whats going on 17:28:23 Depending on things I will give you those psets 17:28:28 through his group 17:28:33 or as an individual 17:32:12 brb 17:32:13 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:38:19 anyway i will let you know as soon as i know whats going on 17:38:36 also i have changed a few files of psbasics.tar 17:38:48 for instance the ctl control files for oracle 17:38:52 to be loaded with PG 17:44:03 We need to maintain both the Oracle and Postgres version, but you could do only one of them. 17:48:00 well i guess that there were not so many things to change for the oracle version 17:48:24 hey rbm 17:48:44 well its up to you, i could clean out those files, and just have the PG ones 17:48:55 or have both altogether. 17:49:01 right now i have to do some cleanup 17:49:06 for some of our clients we're committed to providing them with a good load of documentation 17:49:17 i have solutions, changes of original psbasics altogehter 17:49:18 we may be able to get the psets ported out of that 17:49:59 i think it should be better to have some kind of psbasics-ora.tar and psbasics-pg.tar 17:50:02 dont you think so? 17:50:13 hey tally 17:50:16 s/tally/talli/ 17:50:16 also psbasics-pg-solutions.tar 17:50:30 also psbasics-ora-solutions.tar 17:50:41 miguel: My plan is to have the psets as part of a Beginners' manual 17:51:05 yes, i think thats a good idea 17:51:13 my coordinator thought about to write such a book 17:51:34 rbm: the person that is writing some of the beginner's stuff, david geilhufe, is working for me 17:51:35 but the first step would be to have psets adjusted for PG 17:52:05 I have heard that is one MIT guy in Germany doing such thing. Am I wrong? 17:52:19 can anyone see what i'm writing? 17:53:29 talli: I sent mail to David and Tapiwa. Waiting for their reply. 17:53:48 yes i can talli 17:54:05 well, i can try and get some of the psets into the project we're doing and hopefully release them 17:54:26 at least we'll have some beginner documentation that we'll be able to provide, or as much as our clients will allow us 17:54:32 these people are doing those psets for PG? 17:54:51 btw, speak with todd gillespie. he ported the psets for v3.x to PG 17:55:00 or at least had something available in that form 17:55:13 how can I contact him? 17:55:23 so i guess my psets are not needed right? 17:55:32 they are needed 17:56:01 havent you just told me that there is a guy who already have written them? sorry i am bit confused ;) 17:56:42 he wrote them for version 3.x 17:56:49 OACS? 17:56:58 i am using OACS 3.2.5 17:57:08 oh. 17:57:11 hold on 17:57:18 ok 17:58:20 ive got to go in a few minutes 17:58:21 http://www.ma.utexas.edu/~toddg/docs/psets/ 17:58:22 B: http://www.ma.utexas.edu/~toddg/docs/psets/ from talli 17:58:40 miguel: Oh. I thought you had ported the 4.x psets 17:58:46 beattiek: Todd Gillespie's ported problem sets. i don't know how good or complete they are 17:59:09 i did psets1 17:59:16 with OACS 3.2.5 17:59:22 then i talked with you roberto 17:59:29 and you told me to move to OACS 4.x 17:59:36 my coordinator told me not to do it 17:59:51 I havent started yet with the pset2 18:00:03 which is the one who gets into the toolkit 18:00:22 s/who/which 18:01:05 so i guess my psets are not needed? 18:01:21 miguel: I'm sure we can use them somehow, for the 3.x version 18:02:45 ok 18:02:54 i will check that web site, thanks for the link 18:03:03 i didnt know that someone ported the psets for version 3 18:03:07 for PG 18:03:33 my coordinator planned to write a book for begginers 18:03:39 some kind of openacs for nerds 18:04:01 but i see someone already started such a thing 18:04:27 ok guys i got to go 18:04:42 if you want to contact me you can email me at iafmgc@unileon.es 18:04:55 and tell me how the things are 18:05:00 bye guys 18:05:04 thank you for the tips 18:05:30 miguel has quit ("[x]chat") 18:31:54 B 18:32:17 beattiek: Todd Gillespie's ported problem sets for v3.x. dunno how ocmplete they are 19:30:47 talli has left #openacs 19:47:55 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 20:07:42