00:00:16 yes, you must make the proper incantions to the gods of gui and hope that they are in a good mood 00:00:58 ok. I forgot that part. 00:01:05 haha 00:01:29 x-window-system is a grouping of many x programs, I think... 00:02:59 talli: have you ever installed debian on your dell laptop? 00:03:26 (I think I'm going to buy a Inspiron 4100) 00:04:34 ahh.... debian on a laptop 00:04:46 lemme tell you about a great white whale i've been chasing for some years now... 00:05:08 THEORETICALLY, installing X on my dell laptop is possible. 00:05:13 i'm using debian on this powerbook 00:05:25 practically, i fear it is more elusive than cold fusion 00:05:33 haha 00:05:35 vinod: powerbook? a mac? 00:05:45 yup! debian-powerpc 00:06:03 how is it? 00:06:20 it's a wallstreet G3 266 and it still seems speedy when Linux is running. When i switch to Mac, it seems sluggish 00:06:42 I use it as my main machine and while there are occasional problems, it usually runs perfectly 00:06:57 yowch. i would figure that linux works better 00:07:16 so debian installs reasonably well on a mac, huh? i have a G3 at home that i tried yellow dog on and it crapped out 00:07:37 i'll get the CD image of debian and try it out. or possibly netbsd. i would really like to learn a BSD 00:07:39 talli: heh heh. but RedHat is a piece of cake, right? 00:08:04 well, i've never done a straight debian install on it. i bought and installed linuxppc a while ago and then somehow migrated it to Debian. but the debian-powerpc list is pretty active with good reports 00:08:46 i need to try BSD at some point, too 00:10:07 redhat is, uh, crap. i always am afraid of installing redhat because for some reason, against any of my wishes, it demands to install and run sendmail 00:13:16 I just removed the better part of my debian install. Thankfully enough the erasing stopped because "Processing was halted because there were too many errors"... 00:13:20 doh! 00:13:36 ouch 00:13:40 by mistake that is 00:13:45 ouch ouch 00:13:49 hehe 00:15:18 talli: sendmail is easy to remove; rpm -e sendmail ... 00:16:53 yes, well i don't want it there in the first pkace 00:17:18 at this point I sure like RedHat better than debian (but that will probably change) 00:17:30 even though i try to convince my clients to use Redhat (by buying Redhat DB because they usually feel better spending money on SOME piece of software) i don't like it compared to debian 00:17:54 ola - once you get it running, you'll love it (i hope!) 00:17:56 debian is just harder. you need to know linux much more extensively than you do redhat 00:18:41 but debian is great 00:20:46 vinod: that wouldn't surprise me at all. (I trust things that seem complicated at first) 00:21:07 s/trust/like 00:21:23 haha - that's probably a good policy 00:21:38 for example, talli seems *very* complicated 00:24:46 i'm really not that complicated. but the most sophisticated game vinod can play is tic tac toe, so to him i seem like the sphynx 00:26:16 now you're dissin tic-tac-toe? 00:27:01 what is a sphynx. that's complicated to me:-) 00:27:29 see, i told ya talli was complicated 00:27:36 haha 00:28:17 vinod, where are you from? 00:29:02 from kerala? 00:29:27 yup, i was born in the US, though 00:29:41 aha. cool 00:30:02 how'd you guess? 00:30:23 Kerala is the coolest part of India (or so my brother says) 00:31:00 absolutely (being a somewhat biased observer) 00:32:25 I was just guessing. I only know Kerala, New Dehli, Madras and Bombay;-) 00:32:39 ahh - 1 in 4 - pretty good odds :-) 00:36:17 I have to go (1.40 am) *sigh* 00:36:28 ola has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 00:47:39 hazmat has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:55:00 time to bitch on the phone 00:55:09 those bastards have not cancelled my AOL those lamers 00:55:10 talli has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01:00:42 dave (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:00:57 dave is now known as davb 01:03:37 hey 01:03:47 there 01:04:11 no, not there...Here! 01:04:27 I got my desktop working, but evolution won't install :( 01:04:35 awww 01:04:41 vinod: thanks. i like icewm so far. 01:04:49 icewm = windows 01:04:53 too much like windows 01:04:59 I use Xfce and WindowMaker 01:05:01 really? 01:05:14 It has a friggin Start-like button 01:05:16 well I am running it under Ximian Gnome. 01:05:19 :) 01:05:37 Xfce is really fast and it looks like OpenStep 01:05:51 Or whatever the Solaris X thing is called 01:05:55 I don't like OpenStep ones. I probably would if I got used to it :) 01:06:03 Oh it's great 01:06:28 hmmmm... what is Xfce? 01:06:39 It's really fast, everything is right there, i like the way the mouse buttons work and the way everything is laid out...It also restores my apps from when I restart the X session 01:07:03 WindowMaker is cool too 01:07:11 so does gnome, at least with enlightenment, but I dont have enough horsepower to run enlightenment :) 01:07:11 http://www.xfce.org 01:07:12 I: http://www.xfce.org from Spork 01:07:23 sure, make me work for it :) 01:07:42 I:| A very light weight and fast window manager 01:07:42 windowmaker is the window manager? 01:07:43 titled item I 01:07:47 A: Get yours today! 01:07:47 commented item A 01:07:54 you use them together? 01:07:57 or seperate? 01:08:03 separate 01:08:17 aha, now I understand. I will try out a few different ones. 01:08:36 I am apt-getting xfce 01:08:43 Gnome and KDE are resource hogs and at least 50% of Linux people run them, so I like to be different 01:09:11 want a screen shot of my desktop? 01:09:15 right. I wanted to see nautilis and evolution. 01:09:17 sure! 01:09:31 I don't know how to stop Gnome though :) 01:11:42 you know how to dcc stuff? 01:11:59 sure 01:12:09 its one of these buttons :) 01:14:53 let's see if my XChat can send... 01:14:54 hold on 01:16:59 go go gadget file transfer 01:17:26 hmmm I have a little window, it says waiting... 01:17:35 argh, it now says Failed. 01:17:41 ok 01:18:24 have no ph34r 01:18:29 I'll upload the file..here 01:21:30 So that's XFCE eh? 01:21:34 argh. 01:21:37 Maybe I should give it another whirl 01:21:48 cool. I will try it. 01:22:01 now I have to get rid of Gnome. 01:22:28 heh 01:22:40 Saying "get rid of Gnome" is like saying "get rid of Microsoft" 01:22:53 xfce rocks! 01:23:10 I prefer KDE, but until the GNU linker problem is fixed, C++ apps like KDE (huge) are too slow for me to run 01:23:13 My theme (which is why it looks yellowish) is because it's "Cheese" 01:23:32 I'm a WindowMaker user myself 01:23:43 i like window maker 01:23:53 * rbm notes that WindowMaker's author is Brazilian 01:23:59 lol 01:24:12 ? 01:24:23 just funny 01:24:34 Anyways, I am going to change and go bowling...then I'll come and read 01:25:00 My new year's resolutions are: 1. To use computer less 2. Go to the gym more 3. eat less 4. read more 01:25:05 I'm thinking about going bowling. 01:25:13 Cool, you got an airport by you? 01:25:17 There's always room for one more! 01:25:18 * rbm played racquetball and did some Tae Bo today 01:25:37 Spork: The SLC Intl Airport is just 2 hours away :) 01:25:55 I ate some bow ties and played bowling 01:30:16 * davb downloads postgresql 01:30:17 vinod has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:30:22 has anyone tried evolution? 01:32:01 looks like I am stuck with Gnome for now. 01:33:30 I might have 01:37:52 you might have tried evolution? 01:39:06 * rbm leaves 01:40:57 brb 01:40:59 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:42:17 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:43:51 wow these fonts are ugly 01:45:20 davb has quit (Client Quit) 01:45:40 davb (dave@alb-24-58-162-46.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 02:21:43 markd2 (~Snak@166.102.30.29) has joined #openacs 02:23:35 rzolf (~rolf@above.badgertronics.com) has joined #openacs 02:23:42 hi markd2 and rzolf 02:23:42 rzolf has left #openacs 02:23:43 rzolfster 02:23:48 oops 02:23:59 prolly got booted 02:24:07 :) 02:24:42 I would pay good money for a Linux distribution with a couple of real fonts. 02:24:56 does Suse come with good fonts? 02:26:53 I am not sure. 02:27:12 They are all free so I think that is the problem :) 02:29:54 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-21-223-168.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 02:30:02 rzolf (~rolf@above.badgertronics.com) has joined #openacs 02:30:04 hey docwolf 02:30:07 greets 02:30:26 happy new year, one and all 02:31:56 talli (~talli@dsl092-013-011.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 02:32:14 hey guys 02:32:17 hi! 02:32:46 give rzolf a noogie for me 02:32:55 hehe 02:33:07 rzolf was trapped on a plane for 5 hours 02:33:17 with football loonies going to the orange bowl 02:33:23 heh 02:33:32 he *is* in hell! 02:33:39 did he get strip-searched? 02:33:51 yes 02:33:58 he looked particularly shady today 02:34:01 with the one-way ticket 02:34:06 and long, mysterious object 02:34:30 I told him to keep his pants zipped 02:34:37 hehe 02:34:57 did he have an exploding cucumber in his pants? 02:35:34 hey, isn't this a "family" IRC channel? 02:35:49 heh 02:35:56 loggy might get offended 02:35:59 haha 02:37:48 wow the whole gang is here! 02:38:02 yeah 02:38:05 it's crowded in here 02:38:58 talli has left #openacs 02:42:10 * davb is in a really bad mood.... 02:42:17 postgresql still does not work :( 02:42:36 wait... 02:43:10 nevermind 02:46:54 anyone seen senior adida lately? 02:49:11 no 02:58:33 davb has quit ("Client Exiting") 03:02:21 http://crazy.codetroop.com/randimg/?stone.jpg 03:02:22 J: http://crazy.codetroop.com/randimg/?stone.jpg from markd2 03:02:26 J:| Who got the last laugh? 03:02:27 titled item J 03:02:33 J: not approprite for the easily offended 03:02:34 commented item J 03:11:06 [#OpenACS] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 03:14:31 talli (~talli@dsl092-013-011.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 03:16:48 docwolf has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:19:24 vinod (~vinod@207-172-216-91.s599.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 03:19:35 just missed docwolf 03:20:13 that's good - i think there's an MD limit on this channel 03:20:46 i think talli's trying to get it set to zero 03:20:49 so that explains the lack of people from baltimore around here 03:20:59 haha 03:21:04 moldovia, you mean 03:21:26 re: vinod. 03:21:27 heh 03:21:42 help me process credit cards. 03:21:42 hey rzolf! 03:21:55 sure - send em to me ;-) 03:21:58 what's up? 03:22:20 not much - just waiting for my beer bottles to dry so i can start bottlin' 03:22:25 * vinod is excited! 03:23:03 rbm has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 03:23:31 thought you were supposed to use little plastic cups for that.... 03:24:20 no, no - the plastic cups are for the urine samples 03:24:24 don't get those mixed up! 03:26:37 vinod: are you going to make your infamous " the indian mr. jekyll" brew? 03:30:08 * markd2 runs and hydes 03:31:29 lol 03:33:03 oh, right. mr hyde, huh? 03:33:41 * vinod forgets which is which 03:34:11 i don't need to drink anything to turn into a raving lunatic 03:34:16 * talli must begin referring to talli in the third person more often 03:34:22 haha 03:35:21 * vinod can talk to vinod when he gets lonely 03:45:09 bbiab 03:50:52 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 03:51:45 talli has quit ("See ya!") 04:07:39 rzolf has quit ("rzolf has no reason") 05:11:29 talli (~talli@dsl092-013-011.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 05:18:56 talli has quit ("See ya!") 05:38:33 jim (~jim@12-233-187-5.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 06:33:30 jim has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 06:33:30 chump has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 06:33:30 beattiek has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 06:33:56 jim (~jim@12-233-187-5.client.attbi.com) has joined #OpenACS 06:33:56 beattiek (~beattiek@bmhd25b1y14ha.bc.hsia.telus.net) has joined #OpenACS 06:33:56 chump (~chump@alb-24-58-160-41.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 06:34:00 [#OpenACS] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 08:37:57 til (~tils@62.116.25.202) has joined #openacs 12:42:42 Spork has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:42:42 vinod has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:42:42 til has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12:43:20 Spork (~syslogd@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #OpenACS 12:53:00 Spork has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:53:25 Spork (~syslogd@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #OpenACS 13:56:58 Spork has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 13:57:27 Spork (~syslogd@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #OpenACS 14:00:09 [Global Notice] Hi all. Another netsplit in a moment, please bear with us while we reroute. 14:00:48 Spork has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14:01:10 Spork (~syslogd@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #OpenACS 14:02:50 Spork has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 14:02:54 Spork (~syslogd@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #OpenACS 14:24:17 davb (~dave@208.136.23.203) has joined #openacs 14:24:25 hey dave 14:24:27 hi 14:24:37 Those books are not that hard to read 14:24:45 i picked up all 4 last night 14:27:41 Then you are a better reader than me. :) 14:27:57 I think there are some very tedious parts in there, but some good parts too. 14:29:02 Well, I can't really say that, I just read the first 2 chapters of "The Hobbit" in 45 min or so 14:29:17 But I remember reading books like that in russian 14:29:35 I used to read one for breakfast, one for lunch and a couple for dinner lol...I used to love reading 14:30:13 Ah. you didn't hit The Fellowship of the Ring yet. Its more dense/ 14:30:20 Although I suspect you are up to the challange. 14:30:51 I found Edward Tutfte's books easier :) 14:31:00 I used to get caught up into books really well 14:31:31 Me too. 14:31:33 like i would not put it down until I found a spot where I was happy with the progress of the characters and I was not leaving off in some spot where they're in some sort of a mess or something 14:32:52 sounds like me. I think my brain is just too tired these days. 14:33:39 heh 14:38:02 Got a banking question for you 14:38:26 if I want to deposit an x amount of money into savings and x amount of money into checking do I have to fill out 2 different deposit slips or just one? 14:40:52 Depends on the bank. Probably. 14:41:07 Some have different slips for checking and savings. 14:41:31 from one check or cash? 14:42:16 one check 14:42:31 Ah, tricky :) 14:42:31 i can always just transfer from one to the other online if it doesn't let me do it on one 14:48:15 anyhoo 14:48:37 I'm off to the bank and then to treat myself to some Starbucks since I'm late for my 10am arrival anyway, might as well make it a nice 10:30 14:48:50 hasta la bye bye... 14:48:54 * Spork is away: at work 15:05:31 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.133.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 15:32:53 dlk (dlk@garrison.ita.chalmers.se) has joined #openacs 15:44:11 hidly ho markasaurus 15:44:53 howdeee 15:45:16 I picked up the Lord of the Rings books 15:45:23 Gonna read them all by end of January 15:48:14 http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/articles/region.html 15:48:14 A: http://www.digital-digest.com/dvd/articles/region.html from davb 15:48:26 A:|The Complete Region-Free PC-DVD Guide 15:48:26 titled item A 15:54:29 I'm off to do some work in the lab 15:54:36 Muahahaha 15:54:40 They're creeeepy crawlers 15:54:48 * Psychephylax apologizes and wanders off 15:57:42 heh, 15:58:52 vinod (~vinod@63.159.94.197) has joined #openacs 16:00:08 hi vinod! 16:00:15 How goes the documentation? 16:01:25 hey davb! 16:01:51 I had some ideas after installing postgresql. 16:01:55 it's going ok - mostly just cleaning things up and filling out a couple sections. 16:02:08 want them here or should I comment? 16:02:08 cool! 16:02:21 if they're short, here is fine 16:02:48 Ok. They are related to OpenFTS, but its easier if you do them when you install postgresql :) 16:03:02 1) make-install-all-headers 16:03:19 2) go to the postgresql source dir /contrib/intarray, make, make install 16:03:41 So I don't know if they should go as a footnote or something in the install guide. 16:04:02 so, if i do make-install-all-headers, do i have to do make install? 16:04:02 If you compile postgresql from source, you can always do it later. It is in the OpenFTS install docs. 16:04:07 yes. 16:04:19 install-all-headers just installs the extra headers. 16:04:48 You don't _need_ those steps unless you are using OpenFTS. 16:05:12 ok. i think i'll just add it in the postgresql section - it won't hurt to do it 16:05:38 thanks dave! 16:05:40 I suspect most people will want OpenFTS after then see what it can do. 16:05:56 NP. I thought of it while I was installing postgres and I knew I needed those things :) 16:06:19 I forgot to enable password-login for SSH on my machine though :( 16:06:55 you have to enable that? I thought that was the default 16:12:26 dlk has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 16:25:46 I think not. Or I screwed something else up :) 16:28:43 haha - i'm probably wrong. i haven't installed ssh in a while 16:28:45 no it is 16:29:10 yes it isn't! 16:29:22 wtf 16:29:28 * Psychephylax thwaps� markd 16:29:28 (or something like that) 16:29:39 oof 16:30:50 not in the debian package :) 16:30:57 they like to be different. 16:31:35 fools :-) 16:31:56 I think its a security thing. Nothing wrong with making you turn it on. 16:32:18 At least you _can_ turn it on, unlike other systems I won;t mention where there is no way to change things :) 16:32:51 hehe 16:41:39 it's fsck to check the filesystem in *nix right? 16:42:26 yes. 17:12:46 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 17:26:57 bbl 18:26:28 davb has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:42:07 ewww 18:42:13 I have coke in my shoes 18:43:47 vinod has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19:08:52 talli (~talli@dsl092-013-011.sfo1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 19:09:08 talli has quit (Client Quit) 19:53:51 davb (~dave@208.136.23.203) has joined #openacs 20:01:48 markd2 (~Snak@r-41.89.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 20:04:17 http://users.netwit.net.au/~pursang/lofat.html 20:04:17 B: http://users.netwit.net.au/~pursang/lofat.html from davb 20:04:25 B:|Building the Lo-Fat Linux Desktop 20:04:26 titled item B 20:04:40 B: running a Linux desktop with less horsepower 20:04:40 commented item B 20:05:17 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 20:07:18 rzolf (~rolf@above.badgertronics.com) has joined #openacs 20:07:30 hey hazmat. 20:07:50 are you around? 20:13:28 no 20:13:30 we ate him 20:13:50 psychephlax. 20:15:07 rzolf 20:15:14 markd2. 20:15:39 docwolf 20:15:42 hello 20:16:51 http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/968 20:16:51 C: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/968 from davb 20:16:52 hazmat: docwolf forwarded some email notes about python 20:16:56 to me 20:17:00 C:|Open Source and the Obligation to Recycle 20:17:01 titled item C 20:17:21 C:Should a companies code be released into the wild after they go out of business? 20:17:22 commented item C 20:17:44 i was wondering, have you successfully hooked up to postgres using medusa or twisted matrix? 20:17:55 rzolf: there basically some fumblings i was doing with integration between openacs and python, which i stopped working on, might be useful. 20:18:28 hazmat: i checked out the code. i was doing some integration with aolserver and pywx 20:18:46 rzolf: twistedmatrix use twistedenterprise it should be compatible with any dbapi adaptor. the architecture is worth examing before using though. 20:18:53 however, then i found medusa and twisted matrix and decided i dont really need 20:18:57 aolserver 20:19:01 :-) 20:19:18 however it isnt apparent that twisted.enterpise actually works. 20:19:23 is this for something web primarily related 20:19:31 the CVS snapshot is missing some vital files. 20:19:38 and the guy who wrote it isn't that much help. 20:19:47 yeah it is primarily web related. 20:19:48 rzolf, get one of the cvs snapshots, it works much better. who wrote it? 20:20:05 dash on #python says that glyph wrote it. 20:20:08 rzolf, someone told be that the cvs has some fixes in it. 20:20:27