IRC log of openacs on 2002-01-02

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00:46:15 [hazmat]
hello doc
00:46:24 [docwolf]
howdy!
00:46:51 [docwolf]
hey hazmat, are you the python dude?
00:46:58 [hazmat]
fyi re python and yahoo, python is used at yahoo for yahoo mail, yahoo maps, and yahoo groups, at least that i know of.
00:47:00 [hazmat]
yup.
00:47:07 [docwolf]
sweet
00:47:13 [docwolf]
any idea what web server they're using?
00:47:14 [hazmat]
not sure about *the* dude, but i'm a python person.
00:47:20 [hazmat]
for yahoo groups?
00:47:28 [docwolf]
yep
00:47:31 [docwolf]
for any of the services
00:47:45 [hazmat]
yahoo has a large collection of different systems in use.
00:47:51 [rbm]
most likely a-patchy
00:48:33 [docwolf]
just wondering... 'cause i'm looking for anyone who has built a large system with python/aolservere
00:48:38 [hazmat]
yahoo groups runs (at least when it was egroups) on a async framework with coroutines written in python. its freely downloadable from www.nightmare.com (medusa is the name)
00:49:02 [docwolf]
cool
00:49:02 [rbm]
docwolf: aolsevere? :)
00:49:05 [hazmat]
minus the coroutine part the same engine is used by zope, and the core of it is in the python std library.
00:49:25 [hazmat]
modules asyncore, asynchat.
00:50:09 [hazmat]
although if you're really interested in scalable async frameworks, twistedmatrix.com is probably a better choice.
00:50:22 [hazmat]
+qualifier: for python
00:51:09 [hazmat]
as for python and aolserver, there are a couple of production systems out there. i was working on a site with it, but i ...
00:52:12 [docwolf]
..(waiting with baited breath to hear about hazmat's experience...)
00:52:13 [hazmat]
gave up on it because it doesn't seem to have the number of users and developers that i felt comfortable with (many other reasons besides related to the specific application). its fairly stable.
00:52:48 [docwolf]
ok. cool. i'm not sure that i necessarily need a "popular" platform, i just need something that works well
00:52:58 [hazmat]
for documentation on the api, its basically consulting the c api docs for aolserver and the swig file.
00:52:58 [docwolf]
and can get up 7 running fast
00:53:16 [docwolf]
because i'm not planning to have a huge team of monkeys work on this thing... it's just 1-2 people.
00:53:28 [hazmat]
i've got some assorted examples of various things if you're interested (and can be hired for more:-)
00:53:37 [docwolf]
cool! bring it on...
00:53:42 [hazmat]
mainly integration with acs templating, checking mail, etc.
00:53:46 [hazmat]
whats your email addr?
00:53:54 [docwolf]
afarkas@wolfwater.com
00:54:55 [hazmat]
another thing to check out is webware.sf.net which is a python framework reminiscent of java servlets which can run in aolserver.
00:56:07 [docwolf]
cool
00:56:46 [hazmat]
one comment before i send the files, there isn't really any docs so i would regard them as a grab bag at best.
00:57:21 [docwolf]
no problemo.
00:58:44 [hazmat]
if you're just trying to run aolserver and python without the acs, things are a alot easier... (esp. the tailing the logfile:)
00:58:57 [docwolf]
heh. yeah, we'd probably not use ACS.
00:59:11 [docwolf]
we are going to try to stuff as much as we can into postgres.
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01:06:13 [rbm]
wb
01:11:33 [docwolf]
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01:42:33 [hazmat]
docwolf: email away.
01:43:03 [docwolf]
sweet!
01:43:32 [hazmat]
i also included a soap example.
01:43:32 [docwolf]
thanks!
01:43:44 [hazmat]
sure. i hope its useful.
01:43:50 [hazmat]
probably not :-)
01:45:43 [docwolf]
very cool! i appreciate it
01:46:40 [hazmat]
ugh.. i just realize i left my mail passwd in the tarball, doh..
01:47:06 [docwolf]
hehe. i'll be gentle :-)
01:47:12 [docwolf]
i did that oce
01:47:14 [docwolf]
once
01:47:24 [docwolf]
at aD.. when i was writing documentation for an oracle install
01:47:28 [docwolf]
highly embarrassing.
01:47:48 [docwolf]
seriously, i'll delete the tarball.
01:48:06 [hazmat]
well hopefully this won't recieve as wide a distribution :-)
01:48:13 [docwolf]
hehe
01:48:17 [hazmat]
thanks, i'll send another tarball now.
01:48:20 [docwolf]
cool
01:48:28 [docwolf]
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01:50:30 [hazmat]
email sent
01:50:44 [docwolf]
received. cool!
01:51:59 [hazmat]
enjoy, where you planning on using the aolserver pg adaptors or another python pg adaptor?
01:52:20 [docwolf]
no clue; we'll let Rolf the Programmer handle those details :-)
01:53:11 [hazmat]
if you're going with a python pg adaptor, i highly recommend the pypgsql.sf.net adaptor, it wraps most of libpq and is actively developed. the one included with pg sucks imo. there are other nice adaptors as well but most don't do a complete wrap of libpq.
01:53:37 [docwolf]
cool. thanks. if rolf goes ahead with this, i'm sure he'll be in touch :-)
01:53:48 [rbm]
hazmat: I assume that's Python DB API 2.0-compliant?
01:53:57 [hazmat]
yes it is.
01:54:24 [rbm]
hazmat: Ah, nice. I remember when I looked at psycopg, and popy, both seems rather weak to me.
01:54:53 [rbm]
s/seem/seemed/
01:56:14 [hazmat]
popy is weak and not really actively developed anymore. psycopg is nice now (very active dev) but it makes some assumptions wrt to client access that aren't appropiate for all situations (its really designed to be used in zope and other multithreaded apps) as it tries to handle connection pooling implicitly, although it does have a very nice type conversion system, if you're using custom pg types.
01:57:46 [rbm]
good to know
01:58:19 [hazmat]
* hazmat returns to his kde3.0 compilation
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02:19:13 [Spork]
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02:19:20 [Spork]
yeah baby yeah!
02:20:21 [davb]
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02:20:25 [davb]
hi.
02:20:53 [davb]
* davb reinstalls debian
02:21:59 [Spork]
:)
02:22:05 [Spork]
I'm happy with Mandrake
02:24:54 [davb]
fun
02:27:09 [Spork]
heh
02:27:59 [Spork]
I must resist the temptation to boot into Windows for 3 weeks
02:28:09 [Spork]
I also must get into the habit of going to the gym for 3 weeks
02:28:26 [davb]
excellent goals.
02:28:37 [Spork]
yes
02:28:51 [Spork]
The brunch at IHOP really helps my second goal
02:37:02 [davb]
great.
02:37:08 [davb]
any debian folk about?
02:41:28 [vinod]
hey davb!
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02:42:26 [davb]
hi vinod!
02:42:50 [vinod]
so i take it postgres never came back?
02:42:55 [davb]
I installed a basic debian. Now I want an Xserver etc...
02:43:02 [davb]
nope.
02:43:10 [vinod]
doh!
02:43:14 [davb]
Actually everything was broken. I backed up some files.
02:43:21 [davb]
and DL the debian CDs
02:43:28 [vinod]
cool - it's always nice to start from scratch
02:43:31 [davb]
yes.
02:43:46 [davb]
Last time I used Progeny Debian, and it installed Gnome and everything for me.
02:44:15 [davb]
I am trying to figure out which packages I should get. What window manager does everyone like?
02:45:00 [vinod]
i use icewm - it's really configurable and i've got it set up just the way i like it. i don't use a desktop manager
02:45:12 [davb]
ah.
02:45:21 [vinod]
altho i tried kde on a friends machine and it seemed pretty nice
02:46:50 [davb]
thanks.
02:48:16 [vinod]
sure... i think this is the link that convinced me to use icewm way back when - http://ice.dammit.lt/~mgedmin/icewm/index-en.html
02:49:02 [davb]
vinod: its probably more convincing in a graphical browser :)
02:49:09 [vinod]
lol
02:49:14 [vinod]
oops - yeah, probably
02:49:23 [davb]
is rbm around? what is the epic4-script package you recommened?
02:49:43 [vinod]
i use epic4-light (on rbm's rec)
02:49:49 [davb]
aha thanks.
02:52:02 [vinod]
np
02:53:42 [davb]
I think I will go to kernel 2.4.whatever
02:56:24 [vinod]
i'm using 2.4.17 on my sid machine and it seems to be fine
02:56:48 [davb]
do you use a firewall script?
02:58:40 [vinod]
no, i just restrict just about everything since I'm on dialup and i never need to access my machine from outside
02:58:45 [davb]
aha.
02:59:00 [davb]
darn. I need to find a good one. I should fine one that works with the new stuff in 2.4
02:59:54 [vinod]
yeah, i need to get familiar with that too at some point
03:00:04 [Spork]
Hey it's vinod
03:00:25 [vinod]
hey Spork
03:04:47 [Spork]
:)
03:04:54 [Spork]
* Spork is enjoying his Twilight zone episodes
03:05:04 [davb]
cool.
03:05:43 [Spork]
i love this show
03:08:28 [vinod]
"imagine if you will... "
03:08:54 [vinod]
that guy always creeped me out when i was a kid
03:16:17 [davb]
I will attempt to install Ximian Gnome on this system. should be exciting!
03:18:53 [davb]
anyone know offhand the truetype font servers name?
03:21:25 [Spork]
nope
03:21:50 [vinod]
i think the font server is built into XF4 now, so you just need to specify the path to the fonts in the Files section
03:22:00 [davb]
I think you are correct. cool.
03:22:53 [davb]
I only use the Microsoft web fonts in truetype anyway :)
03:23:15 [vinod]
yeah, me too
03:24:09 [davb]
vinod: BTW I really am sending out the CDs of the lectures :)
03:24:56 [davb]
brb
03:24:58 [davb]
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03:25:19 [davb]
ah color (epic4-light)
03:25:33 [vinod]
haha - no problem. i wasn't expecting your production and distribution systems to be running at top speed yet ;-)
03:25:43 [talli]
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03:25:52 [davb]
Actually I have a 16x cdrecorder now, twice as fast :)
03:26:46 [vinod]
cool!
03:27:28 [vinod]
how is Ximian?
03:27:40 [vinod]
hey talli!
03:29:36 [davb]
I am finding out now :)
03:30:06 [davb]
if you don't pay they restrict your download speed
03:30:14 [davb]
hi talli
03:30:46 [davb]
luckily there really wasn't alot of value on my system. all my work has been on OpenACS 4 and that all lives at openacs.org
03:30:58 [davb]
and my email is IMAP all on the mail server.
03:31:00 [vinod]
interesting
03:32:24 [davb]
you can join their red-carpet service and your system is supposed to go and get the updates for you.
03:32:39 [davb]
of course, you can always just type apt-get upgrade instead :)
03:33:04 [vinod]
haha - make your own red carpet
03:33:41 [talli]
hey
03:33:48 [davb]
cool. they have instructions on how to make a ximian gnome install cd right on their web site.
03:35:23 [davb]
btw ximian gnome is apt-gettable
03:35:50 [vinod]
so i suppose download speed can't be restricted there, right?
03:36:16 [davb]
yes :) you have to add their server to your sources.list
03:36:45 [vinod]
ahhh - they got their bases covered :-)
03:41:30 [davb]
argh, its broken.
03:42:23 [talli]
vinod usually is broken
03:43:35 [vinod]
and despite that i work better than talli ;-)
03:43:58 [davb]
It has to configure guile1.4-slib and gnucash otherwise the other 100 packages it installed won't work??
03:43:59 [vinod]
hope you enjoyed your new year talli - is the headache gone yet?
03:44:42 [vinod]
davb: are you installing via apt-get upgrade?
03:45:32 [Spork]
ok
03:45:34 [talli]
dunno. went to sleep at 10 pm :)
03:45:51 [Spork]
this might be dumb but which command can I use to sort the output of ls by the 5th column?
03:45:55 [Spork]
it's sed or awk I think
03:46:02 [talli]
no party party for me
03:47:22 [davb]
vinod: no. I did apt-get install task-ximian-gnome which went and got a whole pile of special ximian packages.
03:47:24 [vinod]
talli: sorry to hear that :( my night was pretty low key as well
03:48:21 [davb]
anyone have a file /usr/share/guile/slib/require.scm?
03:48:25 [vinod]
davb: sometimes you can use the flag --fix-missing and it will try to install any packages which don't depend on the broken packages
03:49:49 [vinod]
davb: nope
03:50:10 [davb]
argh.
03:50:14 [davb]
the file exists.
03:50:25 [davb]
it says it can't find it anyway.
03:57:34 [davb]
wow!
03:57:54 [davb]
apt could not set it up. I did dpkg --configure guile1.4-slib and it worked!
03:58:38 [vinod]
weird.
04:01:15 [davb]
oops: No screens found when I did startx
04:11:13 [davb]
ok that was also weird.
04:11:30 [davb]
I reconfigured the X server and it gave me more options to select from.
04:12:48 [davb]
cool, it seems to be working
04:13:27 [vinod]
nice... that is weird that it didn't offer to configure it for you on the initial install
04:15:08 [davb]
It is sort of working, the mouse keeps locking up...
04:32:33 [vinod]
Spork: i think you can use awk to do that (with some effort), but ls also has a --sort option
04:33:23 [Spork]
You're about 45 min late with that :)
04:33:27 [Spork]
I figured the -sort way
04:33:49 [vinod]
heh - sorry. i won't answer anymore ?'s
04:33:53 [davb]
I am definitely having a mouse problem.
04:34:16 [davb]
surprisingly I have never had a Linux mouse problem before :)
04:34:41 [vinod]
hmm... it works for a while and then locks up?
04:34:44 [davb]
vinod: do you install postgresl from source?
04:34:50 [vinod]
yup
04:34:53 [davb]
it gets "stuck" then springs back.
04:35:06 [Spork]
bah!
04:35:11 [davb]
Ok. I think it is probably best. For OpenACS you need to keep up.
04:35:11 [Spork]
* Spork pokes vinod with a carrot
04:35:27 [davb]
is 2.4.17 the latest?
04:35:48 [vinod]
carrot? markd gets cookies and i get carrots? ;-)
04:35:53 [vinod]
davb: i think so
04:35:57 [davb]
ok thanks!
04:36:06 [talli]
vinod: be thankful you get anything at all.
04:38:07 [davb]
what device should a PS2 mouse be?
04:38:11 [vinod]
* vinod is thankful for his carrot (but grumbles behind everyone's backs)
04:38:17 [vinod]
i think /dev/psaux
04:38:23 [davb]
ok.
04:38:40 [davb]
vinod: mark is a regular hacker. thats why he gets junk food. you are a doctor :)
04:38:49 [vinod]
haha
04:39:22 [vinod]
i knew med school was a bad idea
04:39:26 [davb]
* davb checks the email he missed while dorking around reinstalling linux
04:41:28 [davb]
vinod: thanks for the PG advice :)
04:41:50 [davb]
also that is one nice thing about the Postgresql debian package. It sets up a cron job to vacuum.
04:42:41 [vinod]
sure - wish it had helped :-)
04:43:08 [vinod]
does it just run 'vacuumdb nightly'?
04:45:40 [davb]
I think so.
04:46:10 [davb]
vinod: really I am happy, hopefully I can build the system in an organized way this time :)
04:48:51 [vinod]
cool - I should probably do that myself, too, but I'm too lazy at the moment :-)
04:48:53 [talli]
is OACS gonna have a debian package?
04:49:05 [davb]
I suspect so.
04:49:17 [davb]
there is a OpenACS 3 debian package.
04:49:54 [davb]
argh
04:49:56 [vinod]
i think rbm's working on taking over the aolserver package and creating an openacs4 package
04:50:01 [davb]
whats the package name of OpenSSH?
04:50:50 [davb]
aha, its just ssh
04:50:53 [davb]
tricky :)
04:50:54 [vinod]
20:25:54 <rbm> vinod: I'm trying to have OpenACS 4 packages available on Debian
04:51:08 [vinod]
that was yesterday
04:56:00 [davb]
cool.
04:56:14 [davb]
ssh emails you to say "hey you have telnetd" you might want to get rid of it.
05:11:43 [Spork]
What's everyone's new Year's resolution?
05:18:12 [davb]
to compile a new kernel?
05:18:18 [davb]
bbl
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05:40:52 [rbm]
moo
05:44:11 [talli]
hey
05:44:36 [rbm]
hey talli
05:45:17 [rbm]
I got an e-mail back from Brent Fulgham (Debian AOLserver packages maintainer). It looks like I'll be taking over the AOLserver packages sometime next week.
05:45:30 [rbm]
That's nice because I'll create openacs-4 packages too.
05:45:47 [talli]
nice. that will be great
05:46:00 [talli]
it will be sweet to do an apt-get openacs-4
05:46:01 [rbm]
I'm excited.
05:46:13 [talli]
is it hard to build an debian package?
05:46:43 [rbm]
I don't know all of the details yet, but it doesn't look like it.
05:46:56 [talli]
cool
05:47:34 [rbm]
if you have a deb-src line in your /etc/apt/sources.list, you could do "apt-get source aolserver" to download the source package for example (and take a look at it)
06:04:50 [talli]
ok rbm, i gotta get to bed to fight off this cold
06:05:00 [talli]
hope you have a good eve, and happy new year!
06:05:12 [talli]
the same to the rest of you
06:05:15 [talli]
especially chump and loggy!
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14:20:58 [davb]
hi markd2
14:21:03 [markd2]
greetings
14:21:16 [markd2]
happy artificical demarcation of the passing of time!
14:21:18 [markd2]
* markd2 celebrates
14:22:04 [davb]
woohoo!
14:22:45 [Spork]
* Spork joins in
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* markd2 sporks Thwap©
14:23:16 [markd2]
or something like that
14:23:20 [Spork]
ouch
14:35:40 [davb]
http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/1012
14:35:41 [chump]
A: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/1012 from davb
14:35:49 [davb]
A:|You'll shoot your iBook out!
14:35:50 [chump]
titled item A
14:36:19 [davb]
A: article is not as good as the title :)
14:36:19 [chump]
commented item A
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14:43:46 [markd2]
Vinod!
14:44:00 [vinod]
markd2!
14:44:07 [markd2]
how are you!
14:44:09 [vinod]
Merry xmoose and happy new year!
14:44:12 [markd2]
* markd2 got a lot of !'s for xmoose
14:44:16 [markd2]
thanks!
14:44:29 [vinod]
I'm doing well, thanks :-)
14:44:45 [vinod]
how's the groundhog doing?
14:44:50 [davb]
good morning vinod.
14:44:55 [markd2]
he's all fed now
14:45:02 [markd2]
and we spent the last 4 or so days doing *nothing*
14:45:05 [markd2]
it was wonderful
14:45:11 [vinod]
mornin davb!
14:45:27 [vinod]
excellent - my kind of vacation
14:48:14 [davb]
http://www.linuxguruz.org/iptables/
14:48:15 [chump]
B: http://www.linuxguruz.org/iptables/ from davb
14:48:44 [davb]
B:|IPTables firewall info
14:48:45 [chump]
titled item B
14:49:34 [vinod]
cool - did you find a useful script there?
14:50:30 [davb]
There are alot. I am looking :)
14:51:11 [davb]
I liked pmfirewall because it asks questions, then sets up the scripts.
15:09:47 [Psychephylax]
bah
15:10:49 [markd2]
* markd2 humbugs
15:11:09 [Psychephylax]
:-/
15:12:57 [Psychephylax]
I guess I must do work now
15:33:35 [Psychephylax]
Mark, what are your new year's resolutions?
15:37:58 [markd2]
1024/768
15:38:10 [markd2]
outside of that, to get a job
15:38:32 [Psychephylax]
1024/768?
15:38:48 [Psychephylax]
Oh
15:38:54 [Psychephylax]
Geebus
15:39:05 [markd2]
:-)
15:39:19 [davb]
heh
15:39:36 [davb]
took a minute...slow morning.
15:40:21 [vinod]
haha - i must be even slower. markd2's a funny guy :-)
15:40:45 [Psychephylax]
Indeed he is
15:41:00 [Psychephylax]
methinks he should be a stand up cominc
15:41:03 [Psychephylax]
comic
15:41:19 [markd2]
I clam up in front of crowds
15:41:56 [davb]
http://www.twistedmatrix.com/page.epy/whatis.html
15:41:56 [chump]
C: http://www.twistedmatrix.com/page.epy/whatis.html from davb
15:42:06 [vinod]
yeah, it wouldn't work in the stand-up setting. tell a joke. wait 2 minutes for everyone to get it. tell next joke ;-)
15:42:21 [davb]
C:|Twisted - framework for web applications in Python
15:42:21 [chump]
titled item C
15:42:41 [markd2]
although Steven Wright did that
15:42:42 [davb]
C: includes web server, mail server, relations database interface, irc chat server etc...
15:42:43 [chump]
commented item C
15:42:46 [markd2]
so maybe there's hope
15:42:54 [vinod]
true!
15:42:55 [davb]
C: AaronSw might like this
15:42:55 [chump]
commented item C
15:43:14 [Psychephylax]
I want to pick up Lord of the Rings book
15:43:29 [davb]
Psychephylax: walk outside, they are everywhere!!
15:43:31 [vinod]
i'm reading fellowship of the rings right now
15:43:40 [davb]
Psychephylax: you might want to borrow them from the library...
15:43:46 [Psychephylax]
how come
15:43:48 [davb]
I am almost finished with Two Towers.
15:43:51 [Psychephylax]
i doubt they're there
15:43:56 [markd2]
just read the movie
15:44:03 [davb]
Psychephylax: depends on if you REALLY want to keep them or now.
15:44:05 [vinod]
haha
15:44:06 [Psychephylax]
iread the movie
15:44:20 [Psychephylax]
I don't want to wait a year to read the second one
15:44:31 [Psychephylax]
and then another year to read the 3rd one
15:44:59 [vinod]
it might take me a year to read these damn books
15:45:06 [vinod]
* vinod is a slow reader
15:45:15 [davb]
vinod: those books are a slow read.
15:45:38 [davb]
http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmtv/features/middleearthguide/
15:45:39 [chump]
D: http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmtv/features/middleearthguide/ from davb
15:45:42 [vinod]
yeah - i think i'm too used to the harry potter style of writing (don't need to think)
15:45:47 [davb]
D:|Underground guide to middle earth
15:45:48 [chump]
titled item D
15:46:27 [davb]
D:including [The Council of Elrond as told by Kevin Smith | http://www.ugo.com/channels/filmtv/features/middleearthguide/retold_council.asp]
15:46:27 [chump]
commented item D
15:50:05 [markd2]
my mind glazes over with highly detailed fiction
15:50:22 [markd2]
although I don't have much of a problem with the highly detailed fiction known as 'software'
15:50:51 [Psychephylax]
lol
15:59:23 [Psychephylax]
ewww
15:59:27 [Psychephylax]
real vi is hard to use
16:16:01 [markd2]
mapquest uses aolserver?
16:16:26 [Psychephylax]
really?
16:16:29 [Psychephylax]
That's pretty cool
16:18:14 [davb]
vim
16:18:17 [davb]
elvis
16:18:18 [davb]
etc...
16:18:48 [davb]
markd2: interesting
16:18:50 [Psychephylax]
The site mapquest.com is running AOLserver/3.4pre1 on Solaris
16:20:27 [Psychephylax]
Dave, what's your new year's resolution?
16:20:35 [davb]
same as markd2's
16:20:44 [markd2]
* markd2 monitors davb
16:20:59 [davb]
Although I saw a NEC 17" LCD for $649
16:21:11 [davb]
that runs 1280x1024
16:21:57 [davb]
Psychephylax: really, I would say I need to exercise more (at all) and go back to school.
16:23:54 [davb]
first I have to get going and finish albegra and get to calculus.
16:26:10 [markd2]
ugh. calculus
16:26:17 [markd2]
hated that class(es)
16:26:24 [markd2]
took each one in the calculus series twice
16:26:50 [davb]
poor instructors
16:27:05 [markd2]
pretty much a different one for each class
16:27:07 [davb]
I took calculus in high school and learned nothing.
16:27:16 [markd2]
there's a lot of memorization involved, which I just don't do well
16:27:22 [davb]
I took it again in college and really understood it.
16:27:43 [davb]
I don't recall that part. All I know is I didn;t read, or even own the book and I still learned it :)
16:27:54 [davb]
Of course, now I forgot it all :(
16:28:33 [davb]
I think somehow there has to be a way to teach the concepts earlier. It explains how all the other math stuff works (as least for me)
16:28:46 [davb]
http://www.rons.net.cn/english/FSM/vim
16:28:46 [chump]
E: http://www.rons.net.cn/english/FSM/vim from davb
16:28:54 [davb]
E:|About VIM 6.0
16:28:54 [chump]
titled item E
16:29:45 [davb]
E: and interesting comments on Open Source
16:29:46 [chump]
commented item E
16:31:33 [davb]
E: and a look into the internals of Vim
16:31:33 [chump]
commented item E
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17:08:19 [Psychephylax]
bbl
17:08:22 [davb]
hi ola, djg
17:08:25 [davb]
bye Psychephylax
17:08:42 [ola]
hi davb!
17:09:30 [davb]
argh.
17:09:55 [davb]
One of these days I need to figure out a way to get google to link people to the right page instead of the home page.
17:10:03 [davb]
Because its always changing...
17:10:44 [davb]
I think maybe I have an idea. If the referrer is google, parse the search string and stuff it into the search package :)
17:11:24 [davb]
some guy came back three times looking for something...
17:15:39 [ola]
dave, maybe you can change the other pages as often as the home page...;-)
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17:16:32 [ola]
Yes! finally installing debian.
17:16:34 [davb]
They do, of course. and google hits them too. the archives of the weblogs.
17:16:38 [davb]
ola: cool!
17:16:52 [ola]
hmm.. is it enough to have /boot bootable?
17:16:59 [ola]
yes, very.
17:17:42 [ola]
* ola is used to RedHat's grafical installer
17:17:44 [davb]
I just put everything in one big partition :)
17:17:56 [davb]
but that sounds right.
17:18:06 [davb]
check on #debian. they are usually helpful.
17:18:40 [ola]
ok. I have swap /boot and /
17:18:44 [davb]
I checke the weblog, I don't actually have the info he was looking for. I never wrote it up.
17:24:46 [ola]
davb: I read the chat log... Did you get PG to work eventually?
17:25:35 [davb]
ola: nope. I hosed the system so I am in the process of reinstalling everything :)
17:26:29 [ola]
ah. using apt-get or is it better to use the source?
17:27:00 [ola]
PG, I mean.
17:28:40 [davb]
Source I think. You need it for OpenFTS anyway.
17:34:28 [ola]
dave: do you know what made your system crash? (so I don't do the same thing:-))
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17:36:08 [talli]
hey guys
17:36:26 [davb]
hi talli.
17:36:37 [davb]
ola: it was lack of sysadmin skill that did it :)
17:36:56 [davb]
that is why I am trying to log what I do to the system this time.
17:40:19 [talli]
davb: my solution to a "lack of sysadmin skills" is always to reinstall the OS
17:40:38 [talli]
that seems to clear up any mistakes i may have made in configuring something :)
17:41:28 [davb]
exactly the remedy I chose!
17:42:07 [davb]
http://www.roguecom.com/roguescholar/manifesto.html
17:42:08 [chump]
F: http://www.roguecom.com/roguescholar/manifesto.html from davb
17:42:09 [talli]
it always works.
17:42:16 [davb]
F:|Rouge Scholar Manifesto 1.0
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titled item F
17:42:23 [davb]
I always learn more each time I reinstall.
17:42:45 [davb]
ola: also I used progeny debian then "upgraded" it to debian unstable so I am sure I screwed something up in there.
17:53:04 [ola]
ok. shit happens:-)... so what's progeny and why did you decide against it?
17:53:21 [ola]
* ola is constantly asking silly questions
17:53:28 [ola]
:-)
17:54:04 [davb]
it was a seperate debian distribution. It is much easier to set up.
17:54:18 [davb]
But they didn;t have libxml2 etc... I needed for OpenACS.
17:54:28 [ola]
I'd LOVE that.
17:55:28 [ola]
* ola misses Red Hat kickstart
17:57:56 [davb]
they don't sell progeny anymore. they do debian based consulting now.
18:02:32 [ola]
It might be intresting to try out HURD...(but then again, perhaps it best mature a bit more first)
18:03:13 [ola]
bbiab. (installing debian on another box)
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18:20:11 [ola]
ok. system complains about "malformed release file" when I'm about to install the base system.
18:20:42 [ola]
this happens on several urls (doing a net install)...
18:23:23 [davb]
hmmm
18:23:28 [davb]
never had that one.
18:23:34 [davb]
I downloaded the isos
18:24:10 [ola]
ok. trying again...
18:24:13 [davb]
try #debian?
18:26:25 [ola]
yeah. I should try that.
18:29:50 [davb]
ola: I'm not trying to get rid of you :) I really don't know how to help.
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19:41:22 [davb]
http://www.roguecom.com/roguescholar/manifesto.html
19:41:22 [chump]
G: http://www.roguecom.com/roguescholar/manifesto.html from davb
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19:41:36 [davb]
G:|The Calvin & Hobbes Jumpstation
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titled item G
20:32:14 [talli]
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G:[more Calvin and Hobbes | http://www.alloftheabove.net/cahr/index.html]
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commented item G
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moo
21:15:39 [rbm]
Geesh. I hadn't realized I had been disconnected
21:16:42 [davb]
wb ola, rbm
21:16:43 [ola]
hello rbm!
21:16:47 [ola]
thanks
21:18:23 [davb]
ola: how did the install go?
21:19:09 [rbm]
hello all
21:19:20 [rbm]
* rbm has breakfast
21:20:13 [ola]
Oh, it went fine as soon as my ISP decided to fuction. I think I installed X but I can't start the damn thing. :-)
21:20:21 [davb]
heh
21:20:44 [davb]
check /var/log/whereverthexservererrorsgo
21:20:45 [davb]
:)
21:20:54 [davb]
Mine was broken for a little while.
21:21:24 [davb]
try also dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (if you installed the debs)
21:21:58 [ola]
"startx" doesn't exist.
21:22:06 [davb]
actually, depends on which debian you are on. I am on unstable.
21:22:17 [ola]
Im on woody
21:22:22 [davb]
I suspect you neglected to install one of the packages :)
21:22:30 [ola]
heh
21:22:40 [davb]
I know I missed a couple the first time around.
21:23:27 [davb]
I also sucessfully installed Ximian Gnome after a small setback. and learned a new trick :)
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21:27:28 [ola]
I think I was kicked out of dselect a bit too soon.
21:27:59 [ola]
I should repeat this procedure two or three times to really get the hang of it.
21:28:02 [davb]
aha. I still don't quite have the hang of dselect :)
21:28:19 [davb]
I just installed the base packages and the did apt-get on stuff I knew I wanted.
21:28:21 [ola]
*gulp*
21:28:24 [ola]
:-)
21:28:36 [davb]
Well I never tried to learn dselect either...
21:29:39 [davb]
one of these days I have to try a different window manager.
21:30:52 [davb]
ola: did you install x 4.1 or 3.3?
21:31:03 [ola]
I installed the base packages and chose some sor of server setup and selected X. Strange that I don't have X...
21:31:18 [ola]
dunno actually.
21:31:57 [ola]
don't think I got to choose
21:31:58 [davb]
Aha. I just went straight to dselect.
21:32:38 [davb]
see if you have xserver-xfree86 package installed.
21:33:31 [ola]
rpm -q something? :-P
21:34:13 [davb]
rpm?
21:34:22 [ola]
heh
21:34:37 [davb]
I found the secret package that installs the xserver so you don't have to install them all individually :)
21:34:47 [davb]
x-window-system
21:35:15 [davb]
or x-window-system-core which is what I individually installed.
21:35:29 [ola]
cool. how can I tell if I have xserver-xfree86?
21:35:41 [davb]
dpkg something...
21:37:08 [davb]
dpkg -s packagename
21:42:24 [davb]
I must leave you now. Good luck!
21:42:32 [ola]
thanks. I'll just move a few cables and try it..
21:42:42 [davb]
:)
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21:47:55 [rbm]
ola: You need the xbase-clients package
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22:09:02 [rbm]
markd!
22:09:22 [markd2]
wheee!
22:16:31 [Psychephylax]
bah
22:16:34 [Psychephylax]
so much work
22:18:00 [markd2]
so many distractions
22:19:36 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax leaves again
22:32:19 [rbm]
so little money
22:32:46 [rbm]
* rbm feels #openacs becoming a phylosophical channel
22:35:33 [markd2]
psychophilosophical
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22:36:03 [rbm]
heheh
22:37:46 [markd2]
or is that psychEphilosophical
22:48:19 [Psychephylax]
so little beer
22:48:41 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax keeps the theme going
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23:11:43 [ola]
you here, Roberto?
23:12:02 [ola]
I have installed X on debian but it won't start.
23:12:15 [ola]
how can I reconfigure?
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23:12:55 [ola]
hi talli
23:12:58 [talli]
hey
23:13:22 [ola]
do you know debian well?
23:13:37 [talli]
vinod: seems that niners and the packers will meet in the first round of the playoffs
23:13:41 [talli]
i don't know anything well
23:13:52 [ola]
I wanna reconfigure X!
23:13:53 [talli]
except that the niners will kick some packer butt
23:13:57 [talli]
give up
23:14:00 [vinod]
heh - you wish
23:14:00 [ola]
heh
23:14:07 [vinod]
guess where i'll be this sunday?
23:14:16 [talli]
up your butt and around the corner?
23:14:30 [vinod]
usually, but not this weekend ;-)
23:14:41 [vinod]
Giants - Packers game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
23:14:54 [talli]
in nyc or green bay?
23:14:57 [vinod]
* vinod is searching for his foam cheesehead
23:14:58 [vinod]
nyc
23:15:30 [talli]
i look forward to the wounded giants beating the packers to send the game back to SF
23:15:42 [talli]
and to seeing strahan sack favre four or five times
23:16:00 [vinod]
i hope he sacks him at least once - that usually gets him started!
23:16:15 [vinod]
what's happened to hearst lately?
23:16:48 [talli]
what do you mean?
23:16:58 [talli]
they played like shit on sunday at dallas. that was annoying
23:17:06 [talli]
but he's been playing well.
23:17:16 [vinod]
didn't he have like 20 yards last week?
23:17:18 [talli]
i think they just played against a couple of tough defensive teams.
23:17:25 [talli]
philly and dallas have good D's
23:17:31 [talli]
he had like 35 yards
23:18:30 [vinod]
dallas has a good D????
23:18:49 [vinod]
now, you're reachin
23:19:03 [talli]
dallas' D is ranked second in the NFL
23:19:17 [talli]
they give up like 280 yards a game
23:19:30 [markd2]
I've only seen one game this seasn
23:19:40 [vinod]
they've given up 323 points - that's like 20/game
23:19:41 [markd2]
whenever I watch them, the local team loses
23:20:39 [vinod]
markd2: i'm sure it's not your fault ;-)
23:21:24 [talli]
vinod: yeah, but a lot of those points may have come early in the season.
23:21:30 [talli]
they looked like a good D on sunday
23:21:49 [markd2]
Pittsburgh blew that game that they should have walked away 40-0
23:22:19 [vinod]
talli: probably - i've been working sundays recently, and without cable TV, it's been painful
23:24:58 [vinod]
talli: are you still gonna be in sf this wknd?
23:25:33 [talli]
no, going back to NYC tomorrow
23:25:43 [talli]
got an extra ticket ;)
23:25:51 [markd2]
http://www.spam.com/ci/ci_in.htm
23:25:51 [chump]
H: http://www.spam.com/ci/ci_in.htm from markd2
23:26:01 [vinod]
talli: nope, sorry
23:26:01 [markd2]
H:| The SPAM folks on "spam"
23:26:01 [chump]
titled item H
23:26:11 [talli]
just kidding
23:26:20 [vinod]
if i had one, you know i'd give it to ya!
23:26:22 [talli]
i have the directtv nfl sunday thing.
23:26:28 [vinod]
schweeeeet!
23:26:38 [talli]
there is no other place i would rather be than the bean bag in front of my tv
23:26:44 [talli]
commercial- click
23:26:49 [vinod]
look for 2 indian guys dressed in green getting beat up by giants fans
23:26:52 [talli]
bengals-panthers - clicks
23:26:54 [talli]
haha
23:27:08 [talli]
i'm always looking for that. it makes my day!
23:27:12 [vinod]
lol
23:27:31 [talli]
the only thing worse than a packer fan is a cowboy fan
23:27:45 [vinod]
ouch - i was a cowboy fan in the tom landry days
23:27:53 [talli]
what a loser
23:28:38 [vinod]
* vinod is proud to be a loser
23:28:41 [talli]
shouldn't you be fulfilling your prescribed destiny by being a poor drunken slob on the corner rather than a Dr?
23:28:44 [vinod]
losing builds character
23:28:55 [talli]
i mean, a cowboy fan rehabilitated as a packer fan? WTF?
23:28:55 [vinod]
talli: i'm workin on it
23:29:09 [vinod]
no - i was always a packer fan, but i kinda liked the cowboys
23:29:16 [talli]
you must have quite a nice little character castle then.
23:29:37 [vinod]
that's why i come to #openacs - ego boost!
23:30:10 [vinod]
i got a beer-making kit for xmas and i'm gonna bottle em up tonight!
23:30:17 [talli]
yeah, i guess markd2 is good for something at least...
23:30:28 [vinod]
should be drunk for quite a while then
23:30:33 [talli]
haha
23:31:05 [talli]
as a wisconsonite, did you also get a large selection of midwest cheeses?
23:31:30 [talli]
in addition to the beer, of course...
23:31:36 [vinod]
no - cheese is considered a staple, so it's not a thoughtful gift
23:31:38 [vinod]
:-)
23:32:03 [talli]
haha
23:36:27 [markd2]
what?
23:36:36 [markd2]
I've always tried to be a good-for-nothing around here
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23:37:35 [vinod]
see - now you've scared markd2 away
23:55:48 [ola]
hmm.. dpkg --purge x-window-system does not remove X.
23:58:41 [vinod]
what does x-window-system do? I have X running, but I don't have that package installed
23:58:54 [talli]
ola: you've decided to dance with the grim reaper by trying to install and configure X