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Free Web Toolkit 00:08:19 davb has changed the topic to: Open?ACS | Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org 00:08:26 hey dave. 00:13:11 rbm (rmello@fslc.ser.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 00:13:17 hey rbm 00:14:43 pfffift. 00:17:32 dave, the title suggests we are reconsidering OACS being open, not being OCS 00:17:42 not that it matters... 00:19:44 moo 00:19:59 looks like I was just disconnected again 00:28:15 :) 00:28:38 dave! 00:29:58 you are both far too talkative. 00:30:12 ;) 00:30:29 * rbm twacks beattiek for being too quiet 00:30:44 anyone here play Quake3? 00:30:49 hehe 00:30:54 i'm not that cool :P 00:31:15 I stoped gaming when i switched to linux. 00:31:38 beattiek: Why? 00:31:53 I have some goals i want to acomplish. 00:31:58 I have Quake 3, SimCity 3000, Descent 3, Myth 2, all for Linux 00:32:01 then i might start gaming again 00:32:19 alpha centuari is my favorite linux game 00:32:41 nifty. 00:32:46 :) 00:33:04 Never played alpha centaury 00:33:48 dave, i never know if your being sarcastic... Let me rephrase that. You always seem sarcastic, but i know you dont always mean it. 00:34:00 you remind me of my friend, sarcasm. 00:34:45 I will try to be a little more clear. I think that was in reply to rbm. I should direct my comments. :) 00:34:57 hehe 00:35:02 i'm just eing a geek 00:35:40 ok. 00:35:52 rbm: Alpha centuari is a civ 2ish space game. 00:35:58 i guess you know that. 00:36:28 it's realy advanced compared to civ 2, and it has realy cool cencepts. 00:38:26 what is the point of proc_doc? 00:38:34 A procedure with documentation 00:38:42 ad_proc does it better I think. 00:38:51 hmm. 00:38:55 i'm still unclear 00:39:09 it's used for documenting procedures right? 00:39:59 you use it instead of proc procname 00:40:08 it actually creates the proc and documents it. 00:40:18 hmm. 00:40:39 beattiek: Are you looking at OpenACS 3.2.5 00:40:46 s/$/?/ 00:41:06 no, looking through the tcl guide. prolly about OACS 3.2 00:41:58 Tcl Guide? On AOLserver.com? 00:42:04 no 00:42:09 web nerds 00:43:00 That's not the Tcl guide. That's Tcl For Web Nerds. 00:43:06 yeah 00:43:11 thats what i was refering to. 00:43:19 *sigh* 00:43:23 sometimes i am unclear. 00:43:29 How long does UPS ground take to deliver something 00:43:40 depends on how far it has to go. 00:43:48 in average? 00:43:51 and how close you are to the service center. 00:43:57 5 days coast to coast. 00:44:26 oh good 01:03:26 brb 02:27:36 bah 02:27:39 :-/ 02:28:06 My linux install won't let me update it 02:44:40 rbm has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:03:28 rbm (rmello@fslc.ser.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 04:06:15 Spork (~syslogd@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 04:06:33 :-) 04:06:38 Woooohooo 04:06:42 * Spork kicks dave from joy 04:07:58 apparently you got it working? 04:08:09 yeah I got it all working finally 04:08:19 Win2K, WinXP and Mandrake 04:08:26 cool. 04:08:31 WinXP for games, Mandrake for my new OS 04:08:35 and Win2K as fallback 04:08:36 XP was probably the culprit. 04:08:45 Actually 04:08:50 Double check your firewall with XP :) 04:08:56 What was I trying to get to work ? 04:09:26 You wanted to be able to have a boot menu to switch between them? 04:09:33 Oh 04:09:33 Right 04:09:40 yes, the culprit was actually mandrake 04:10:03 really? 04:10:07 interesting. 04:10:15 I don't know why maybe the new version of LILO or something did not like my old fashion way of specifying where to boot from 04:10:20 I had to add this: 04:10:28 try GRUB. its super/ 04:10:34 other=/dev/hdd1 04:10:34 label=Win2K 04:10:34 table=/dev/hdd 04:10:34 map-drive=0x80 to=0x81 04:10:34 map-drive=0x81 to=0x80 04:10:45 Actually, that's how I found out what I needed to do LOL! 04:10:57 I tried GRUB, and it then only let me boot Win2K and no XP 04:11:12 So I switched back to LILO and it apparently kept my GRUB setup 04:11:26 And I had 2 entries like the one I just pasted and I could only boot Win2K but no XP 04:11:40 So I was like....Well, I can hack this, and edit that, and then it should do what I want it to do 04:11:46 And it did :) 04:11:49 cool. 04:12:15 I installed XEmacs 04:12:25 but I have been purposefuly using vi 04:12:33 i can actually edit files now ;) 04:12:35 I never bothered fixing mine. I switch the boot drive in the BIOS to switch to Win98. 04:12:39 Cool. 04:12:54 everyone has vi, so you should be able to edit anywhere now. 04:13:07 yeah hehe 04:13:17 Hey, you know where the standard place is to keep shared bitmaps? 04:13:33 oops 04:14:06 I am in windows so I can't check. 04:15:08 heh 04:15:09 I got it 04:15:13 I just made my own place 04:15:24 works for me :) 04:15:59 I will now leave for the night. Have a good one. 04:16:00 Hehehehehe 04:16:06 Cheese = my favorite Xfce scheme 04:16:09 ok 04:16:11 nite dave 04:16:12 wait 04:16:17 you think I should go to work tomorrow? 04:16:22 No. 04:16:24 :) 04:16:29 It's a regular work day but I doubt anyone will be there 04:16:48 I'll just wander aimlessly for a bit, stare at the monitor in my cubicle and then go home after an hour 04:16:49 lol 04:17:02 you are 100% correct. 04:17:04 I dunno, that's a hundred bucks though 04:17:08 Oh. 04:17:13 well that is different. 04:17:37 heh 04:18:02 bye 04:18:03 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.5 [Mozilla rv:0.9.7/20011221]") 04:18:07 see ya 04:23:18 rbm has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:03:29 rbm (rmello@fslc.ser.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 06:18:17 rbm_ (rmello@fslc.ser.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 06:26:48 rbm has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 07:43:37 anlater (~antonio@212.34.222.62) has joined #openacs 08:00:41 rbm_ has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08:18:27 rbm (rmello@fslc.ser.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 08:30:51 thugboat (thuggett@adsl-64-167-240-171.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 08:31:26 thugboat has quit (Client Quit) 10:02:37 anlater has quit (Remote closed the connection) 10:19:46 rbm has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10:31:48 rbm (~rmello@fslc.ser.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 11:43:29 ola (~staffan@as3-2-4.bot.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 11:51:11 ola has quit ("ircII EPIC4-1.0.1 -- Are we there yet?") 12:02:01 ola (~staffan@as3-2-4.bot.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 12:47:05 davb (~chatzilla@alb-24-58-160-135.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 12:47:56 davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS | Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org 14:42:25 Spork has changed the topic to: OpenACS | Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org | Dave is Grumpy | Happy New Year! | 2002 15:00:12 Dave you awake? 15:11:22 hi 15:11:43 I have a sick kid at home. looks like it will be a fun day :) 15:12:36 Oh boy 15:12:38 You at work? 15:12:43 Hola ola! 15:15:12 heh, no. at home. 15:15:18 Ah 15:15:24 You know how to mount an NTFS partition in Linux? 15:15:31 nope. 15:15:35 k 15:15:53 do you have it compiled in your kernel or as a module? 15:16:19 I'm guessing in the kernel 15:16:31 I can mount it as root, I just can't read the partition as a regular user 15:16:40 Ah. 15:17:03 W00t 15:17:04 I never had an NTFS partition before. Although I think I will upgrade to Win 2000 one of these days. 15:17:06 got it 15:17:10 cool. 15:18:07 You know, I gotta have my mp3s :-) 15:18:40 of course. 15:18:43 Mounted as read only =) 15:18:53 10:20am up 11:22, 1 user, load average: 0.24, 0.12, 0.05 15:18:55 posh 15:19:10 10:30AM up 160 days, 1:42, 1 user, load averages: 1.00, 1.00, 1.00 15:19:17 That's what I'm talking about 15:22:09 dave 15:22:17 You should know this ;) 15:22:23 How do I have somethign start on boot 15:25:26 in Linux? 15:25:29 depends 15:25:35 It's rc5 15:25:38 there is more than one way to do it. 15:25:54 oops 15:26:22 put a script ing there or rather a symlink to a script that lives in /etc/init.d usually. 15:26:33 check out the names, you should be able to figure out how to make it work :) 15:59:52 is ola around? 16:00:47 anlater ([PyVLhVX0g@212.34.222.62) has joined #openacs 16:20:14 nope 16:26:47 moo 16:27:43 Moo! 16:27:43 Spork: To have a user be able to mount a certain partition, add the word "user" to the line of that partition in /etc/fstab 16:27:59 hi rbm 16:29:21 morning all 16:30:49 hello 16:30:58 I did it a diff way 16:31:07 I just made it ro and automounted 16:31:12 with a umask of 022 16:31:16 or maybe 222 16:37:39 What the hell 16:37:41 what's an rpm.bin 16:38:02 I want to install the Java SDK 16:39:38 I jsut downloaded the tarball and used that 16:39:41 -RPM is evil 16:39:44 yeah 16:45:04 Is it wrong of me to install JBuilder 5 in Linux? :) 16:45:18 I don't see why. 16:45:34 Is JBuilder a free (beer) download? 16:45:55 brb 16:47:36 no it's not 16:49:16 Jbuilder personal is free. 16:49:52 oh 16:49:53 heh 16:50:07 I was think of professioanl or enterprise 16:50:14 They are less so :) 16:50:42 :) 16:51:11 back 16:51:14 wb 16:51:21 Beer at 10:51 am? 16:51:25 tks 16:51:27 Man, and I thought I was bad 16:51:34 You have a copy of JBuilder already? 16:51:42 I have many 16:51:42 lol 16:51:54 Ah. well then the installation is up to you :) 16:51:55 Beer? 16:52:16 I don't drink alcohol. 16:52:18 JBuilder 4 Professional, JBuilder 5 Enterprise for windows, JBuilder 5 Pro Educational Special (expires) 16:52:24 You mean you didn't just go get a beer? 16:52:28 My mistake 16:52:47 I've seen the consequences of Alcohol too close and too many times in my 3.5 years in medical school. 16:53:03 ah 16:54:56 hmmm 17:04:08 it's being retarded about installing itself 17:04:08 Hmm 17:04:08 1.4 beta 3 or 1.3 final 17:04:10 Stay fuzzy....save the world...................choices 17:04:22 hmmm 17:04:26 Roberto, when you downloaded the SDK did it have a .bin extension on it? 17:04:40 aha 17:04:42 go java go 17:05:34 if you can live with the personal version 5 is out and 6 is coming in January. no expiration :) 17:06:22 heh 17:06:31 yeah but I can make it expire in 10 years :p 17:06:41 No worries 17:07:00 Also, my Uni id doesn't expire until 2003 17:07:18 I'm gonna go to the school store and buy a bunch of software before it expires 17:07:21 Spork: no 17:07:24 it = my id 17:07:42 no what? 17:07:44 no .bin/ 17:20:18 rbm_ (~rmello@fslc.ser.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 17:20:25 Now I have to wait for my clone to die 17:20:35 brb 17:20:37 davb has quit ("ChatZilla 0.8.5 [Mozilla rv:0.9.7/20011221]") 17:26:44 davb (~dave@alb-24-58-160-135.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 17:29:27 davb: what's OPML? 17:29:43 rbm_: you can tell nickserv to ghost it, -if- you regged your nick 17:29:48 Its an XML format for outlines. I forget the acronym. 17:29:57 cool 17:30:07 (i'm reading your site) 17:30:08 anlater has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:30:19 Aha. I forget why I would have mentioned it there :) 17:30:33 rbm: does mozilla live in /usr/bin? 17:31:16 rbm has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17:31:23 opps. 17:31:37 did you know: 17:31:43 I guess you can compile it to live anywhere 17:31:45 the OACS logo sucks. 17:31:55 he means default 17:31:56 rofl 17:31:56 I like it :) 17:32:07 it is frumple 17:32:19 specifically on debian. 17:32:30 i will install it and see 17:32:32 I can't seem to get it to install 0.9.7. 17:32:45 if it's a debian package that follows policy, should be in /usr/bin 17:33:21 ok. i still have 0.9.5 and it says its the latest version. 17:33:28 hmmm 17:33:32 oic 17:33:41 it's not finding the later version 17:33:56 I have a j2sdk1.4.0 directory and a bin in there where all my java stuff is...but how do I linux to know 17:34:29 it's saying: "as far as I know from the data I retrieved from the sources you gave me to get packages, it' 17:34:34 s the latest" 17:35:02 there is an evironment variable the JVM needs set I think. 17:35:09 i'm gonna read /. 17:35:13 me too 17:35:18 I see that mozilla is in non-us. mabe it have to specify... 17:35:36 Spork: where'd you get jdk140? 17:36:14 I am thinking my souces.list is wrong... 17:36:41 no, it sees your mozilla 17:37:03 maybe no one packaged 097 17:37:23 its in non-us/unstable 17:37:43 if they did, you could get the .deb yourself andfeed it to your own dpkg 17:37:49 davb: I have my nick regged. I forgot I could zap someone else. 17:37:49 dave, what is the goal of your site "the design experiance" 17:38:07 good question beattiek. 17:38:25 rbm_ is now known as rbm 17:38:29 I am just fooling aroudn with OpenACS, learning how it works so I can charge people to set it up :) 17:38:37 to teach people how to spell experience? 17:38:52 jim: on the Sun website 17:38:55 sheesh :) I held back saying that :) 17:38:57 i see, why don't you port to OACS 4? 17:39:03 I also originally was going to have more design and programming chronicles on there, but its more fun to hack the backend. 17:39:19 :) 17:39:29 beattiek: I am actually in the process of converting. I am hacking together some templates for ETP. 17:39:44 what's a ETP? 17:39:53 its the edit-this-page package. 17:39:55 Ok. 17:40:00 I am going insane. :) 17:40:19 I did apt-get update apt-get install mozilla and not its working. 17:40:33 yeah, an aquaintance used to use that system 17:40:36 I know I tried it the other day. 17:41:24 he switched to his own tech tho. 17:41:27 No this is the OpenACS package edit-this-page. 17:41:29 davb: Can you give more detail please? "Not working" doesn't say much. 17:41:36 oh 17:41:40 never read it yet 17:41:41 does the oacs4 installer work the same as the acs4 installer? 17:41:45 rbm: oops s/not working/working :) 17:41:51 davb: Ah. 17:42:00 jim: pretty much. 17:42:18 Except that we don't have a repository that you can download packages from yet. 17:42:30 :( 17:42:38 You have to get them from CVS 17:42:40 heh, you could use apt :) 17:42:51 rbm: why don't all packages just come installed? 17:43:19 I think that's what is being done for CVS sources, but that won't be the default upon release 17:43:36 beattiek: There are _a lot_ of packages. Most of them most people don't need. 17:43:56 but is there any disadvantage of having the packages you don't need? 17:44:00 * jim wonders if Phil has seen acs4.6 17:44:15 beattiek: having on disk, or installed? 17:44:22 i guess conflits might occur 17:44:27 Yes. It takes time to load all of them. It increases the size of your backups, it installs filters, etc. 17:44:28 installed 17:44:37 oh 17:44:46 i asked that earlier and people were less clear 17:45:12 wow, apt updated galeon when I updated Mozilla. 17:45:35 what the hell 17:45:38 probably because galeon depends on mozilla 17:45:50 What good is a built in package updater in xemacs if none work 17:46:40 What good is Xemacs when there's FSF Emacs? :) 17:47:05 ? 17:47:18 I need to modify my Emacs to treat Tabs the way I want them. 17:49:36 I am getting : psql: connectDBStart() -- connect() failed: Connection refused 17:49:36 Is the postmaster running locally 17:49:36 and accepting connections on Unix socket '/tmp/.s.PGSQL.5432'? 17:49:45 any clues? Yes I started and restart postgresql. 17:49:59 it worked before :) 17:50:03 But did it actually start? Check /var/log/postgres.log 17:50:12 ah, thanks, I am dumb :) 17:51:02 rbm has changed the topic to: ah, thanks, I am dumb :) | OpenACS - Free Web Toolkit 17:51:08 my log doesn't show anything about starting up ever.. just shutting down :) 17:51:09 heh 17:51:11 rbm: that's easy, you just modify the alist for the mode 17:51:29 jim: Oh. If you know how, please tell me. 17:51:40 me, I want emacs (and edwin) to never generate tab chars 17:51:42 jim: I want Emacs to treat Tabs as Tabs. 17:51:56 why? 17:52:31 i.e., I hit tab, it autoindents, but never replaces 8 spaces with a tab (that's what I want) 17:52:59 I want to hit a Tab and a Tab char be inserted. I don't want it to replace anything. 17:52:59 rbm: hmmm, one way is to change the major mode to fundamental 17:53:13 davb: you get all the fame, i admit to being dumb daily and i never get any glory :) 17:53:19 I only use Tabs in the beginning of lines, so I can change my tab stops anytime. 17:53:27 jim: Argh. 17:54:06 Jan 1 00:51:35 dave postgres[1562]: [5] DEBUG: database system is in producti\on state 17:54:26 rbm: what mode are you in that you want this? 17:56:21 jim: Isn't there a way to do this that is independent of mode? 17:56:30 rbm: hmm, not sure where you want this... global? local to a particular mode? <-- maybe more doable, the former might not have such control over the modes? 17:56:36 jim: Tcl, PHP, Python, and C modes :) 17:56:41 I'd have to dig 17:57:05 This has been one source of grief I've had with emacs. 17:58:04 brb 17:58:56 AaronSw-UK (Snak@ACACB0DC.ipt.aol.com) has joined #openacs 17:59:05 Wow. Aaron amongst us again. 17:59:14 * AaronSw-UK waves from the UK 17:59:27 yes! 17:59:29 I broke emacs 17:59:33 Heh heh. 17:59:42 Hey AaronSw-UK 17:59:52 hey Spork 18:00:00 davb has quit (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 18:00:04 * AaronSw-UK wonders if jim is the jim he knows -- notes that we both are attbi customers (or victims...) 18:00:25 not sure you know me :) 18:00:38 UK? 18:00:42 NIce. 18:00:45 depends on the def of know you're using ;) 18:00:50 <-- wishes to visit Europe someday 18:00:59 Yeah, it's fun. 18:01:18 I use a very loose def of 'know'. 18:01:33 Are you hiding from school there? :-) 18:01:56 :-) 18:02:28 davb (~dave@alb-24-58-160-135.nycap.rr.com) has joined #Openacs 18:02:50 Use `C-q