00:52:04 hi 00:54:37 blah 00:54:44 The blue cow screams at the moon... 00:58:26 brb 01:02:11 ttl 20 01:02:16 haz 01:02:18 sec 01:02:29 hi beattiek 01:02:32 hey davb 01:03:08 hazmat: the reason is that phillip published it 01:03:42 hazmat: him publishing it was in the contract, but i don't think he owns the rights 01:03:55 davb: how has it been? 01:03:59 for PANDA? 01:04:13 not bad, except I got in a little car accident :( 01:04:21 was it your car? 01:04:24 I am ok, but me car is not. 01:04:34 good... and bad... 01:04:52 yeah. it will get fixed. 01:05:01 what car did you have?\ 01:05:13 ahh.. interesting. 01:05:46 maybe it was just P&A guide. 01:06:01 i'm not sure about panda... i guess. 01:06:35 i'm confused 01:06:50 i shouldn't talk so much 01:07:13 P AND A :) 01:07:14 so dave, are you making progress? (with the project) 01:07:20 yeah 01:07:26 so the same book 01:07:30 i thought it was the same 01:07:34 I have a meeting next week. We will see what the status is. 01:07:36 but i was unsure 01:07:54 good, at least thats pro-progress :) 01:08:20 yes. hopefully he will make a decision :) 01:08:28 Hi all. Just to remind you. Channels #secrets and #!/bin/sh are bot-infested and we are juping them again. If you try to join those channels, you will be k-lined and will need to write to support@openprojects.net for help. Please don't, and if you see anyone asking someone to join one of those channels, tell them not to. Thanks again. 01:09:02 Good luck! (the explaination mark is so you don't think it's sarcastic) 01:09:09 :) 01:09:37 yeah. there sould be a sarcasm key. 01:09:49 You are correct. Especially in IRC 01:09:49 like ~ or something 01:10:07 Psychephylax: : whats an emoticon for sarcasm? 01:10:16 actualy an asian girl uses that. she is like SO~~ 01:10:24 anyhow. 01:11:11 what do you think about name changing? 01:11:41 I think we probably should change it, but it has to be really good. I am for the one word "brand" type name. 01:14:40 Talli suggested Zocalo 01:15:23 as the new name. 01:15:51 http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/2001/10/11/2001-10-11.html 01:15:52 C: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/2001/10/11/2001-10-11.html from davb 01:16:00 C:|Link to Zocalo link 01:16:01 titled item C 01:16:10 C:new OpenACS name suggestion by talli 01:16:10 commented item C 01:16:37 Zope is a cool name. 01:16:42 we gotta compete :P 01:16:50 I think it should stay OACS. 01:17:04 Because? 01:17:27 More than one person has been confused by the aD connection. 01:17:31 or lack thereof 01:18:26 brb 01:23:31 well i don't realy care anyhow, as long as the name is cool 01:25:31 I actually like "Agora" 01:25:55 Zope sounds bad IMHO. It rhymes with Dope 01:26:39 yeah, too bad its already taken. 01:27:53 Agora is not taken. W-Agora is 01:28:32 and pope 01:34:16 ah 01:40:01 * rbm leaves 01:54:14 the fact that zope rhymes with dope is a plus imo. 01:54:27 * hazmat is a professional zope dealer 01:56:51 beattiek2 has quit () 02:09:59 hazmat is now known as lethedrinker 02:15:07 lethedrinker is now known as hazmat 02:16:37 sbp (~sean@m165-mp1-cvx3b.pop.ntl.com) has joined #openacs 02:16:52 hi sbp 02:18:16 Hi. Er... am I being logged on this channel? What is loggy? 02:18:25 yes, 02:18:30 or I can turn it off 02:18:33 loggy, off 03:05:29 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.25.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 03:05:55 sbp has left #openacs 03:06:06 sbp (~sean@m468-mp1-cvx4c.pop.ntl.com) has joined #openacs 03:06:14 sbp has left #openacs 03:11:36 loggy, off 03:24:30 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 03:44:40 jim has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 04:35:13 talli (~talli@ip64-75-147-47.dial.maui.net) has joined #openacs 04:38:24 talli has quit (Client Quit) 05:28:26 hazmat has left #openacs 06:38:20 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 09:46:51 miguel_25 (miguel@cable192a061.usuarios.retecal.es) has joined #openacs 09:48:00 miguel_25 has quit (Client Quit) 11:40:26 miguel_25 (~miguel@cable192a061.usuarios.retecal.es) has joined #openacs 12:04:58 miguel_25 has quit (" IRcap 7.0 http://www.ircap.net !!") 12:07:43 davb has quit (Remote closed the connection) 12:20:04 chump has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:20:04 hazmat has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:20:04 rbm has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:20:54 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #OpenACS 12:20:54 rbm (rmello@fslc.ser.usu.edu) has joined #OpenACS 12:20:54 chump (~chump@alb-24-58-160-41.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 12:20:58 [#OpenACS] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 12:49:34 jim (~jim@12-233-187-5.client.attbi.com) has joined #openacs 13:46:20 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.176.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 13:47:23 loggy doggy? 13:48:34 maybe chump beat him up 13:55:30 davb (~dave@208.136.23.203) has joined #openacs 14:09:33 http://software.libertine.org/tmda/index.html 14:09:34 A: http://software.libertine.org/tmda/index.html from davb 14:09:43 A:|Tagged Message Delivery Agent 14:09:43 titled item A 14:10:14 A: This looks like a great SPAM prevention tool, you need to have your own mail server to use it. It works with qmail, postfix, and exim 14:10:14 commented item A 14:20:24 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 14:38:37 http://pdlogan.manilasites.com/2001/12/27 14:38:37 B: http://pdlogan.manilasites.com/2001/12/27 from davb 14:38:56 B:|Someone responds to John Robb so I don't have to 14:38:57 titled item B 14:41:48 trying to do SICP Ex 1.31... it doesnm' 14:41:56 seem to approximate pi 14:43:53 I decided to divide all by 2 14:44:04 I never looked at it, sorry :). Its on my list of things to do. 14:44:41 feel like taking a brief look see? 14:44:52 I have all text and/or URLs 14:45:15 and I have an implementation of everything needed 14:46:18 the thing about my implementation is the series seems to be exploding rather than converging 14:46:36 sure go ahead. Put a space or soemthing in front of the URL so chump doesn't grab it. 14:46:56 ok 14:47:31 this is the second problem set of aduni sicp from last term 14:47:39 second problem 14:48:39 take this url: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-12.html#%_sec_1.3.2 14:49:07 and when you get there, go back about a screenful or 2 14:49:29 you'll see 1.31 14:50:07 what I decided to do was divide the series by 2 14:50:35 getting rid of the lone 2 in the upper left 14:50:56 and dividing (pi/4) by 2 also, giving pi/8 14:51:19 what exercise are you on? 14:51:21 that make sense to you? you see why I'm going for that? 14:51:24 1.31 14:51:49 it's a few lines -before- the URL I pasted 14:52:38 aha I see... the excercise. 14:54:29 this is why I am relearning all the math I forgot before tackling SICP :) 14:54:54 yeah, they put too mucha that math stuff in there :) 14:58:59 I'm sorry, I just can't get my head around that stuff right now :) 14:59:40 ok, np 15:40:15 hey 15:43:38 howdy 15:44:41 I finally found out my grades! 15:45:07 Psychephylax has changed the topic to: PsycheSporkiephylax really graduates!!! All cheer and love OACS! 15:46:36 yippee!! 15:47:13 Yes! 15:47:25 graduates from what? 15:47:47 College 15:47:57 ahh :) congrats 15:47:59 thanks 15:48:07 what did you major in? 15:52:24 Computer Science & Applied Math and Statistics 15:53:08 yet I don't know either ... mmmm. money well spent... 15:54:52 Thats why I am going to teach myself CS based on the aduni.org curriculum :) 15:54:57 :-/ 15:56:16 heh 15:56:25 I'm looking at aduni.org/courses 15:56:54 did you learn any of that stuff? 15:57:48 I did yep 15:57:58 cool. 15:58:11 I am still on Albegra :-/ 15:58:17 8 of those I did 15:58:22 maybe 9 15:58:36 regular, not linear. I gotta get going or I'll be 100 before I get to calculus. 15:59:11 1,3,4,5,6,9,11,12 16:00:25 Geeeeez 16:00:33 That's some huge lecture files 16:00:56 heh 16:01:10 Need blank cds here 16:01:26 I am plannning on sending away for them. Or if they have the original videos, hopefully we can get someone to master a DVD or 2. 16:01:51 http://www.squarewave.com/geometry/ 16:01:52 C: http://www.squarewave.com/geometry/ from davb 16:02:08 C:| Build a icosahedron dome 16:02:09 titled item C 16:02:19 I'm just going to download some 16:02:57 Wow 16:03:03 I think there's a bug in OACS 16:03:18 you have a handy install of it Dave? 16:03:31 yes, CVS from Wednesday. 16:03:34 ok 16:03:37 Do me a favor 16:03:39 try this 16:03:40 Ok. 16:03:48 Make like 3 users 16:03:53 Actually 16:04:11 it doesn't matter how many 16:04:21 as long as you have 2 separate users who are not admins 16:04:34 then have one of them, try to edit the other one 16:04:54 ok. 16:04:57 I get a "Security violation" page but the change is made 16:05:05 is there an admin page for that? 16:05:50 yes I think so 16:06:05 oh 16:06:09 it's probably my fault 16:06:27 heh 16:07:37 no, wait 16:07:39 AH! 16:07:50 i can't tell 16:07:59 you know 16:08:04 I am very bored of this project 16:08:20 Sorry to hear that. 16:08:34 yes Dave, it's all your fault 16:08:36 How can a regular user try to edit another user anyway? 16:08:44 of course its my fault. everything is my fault. 16:08:56 Remember, I have a tiered hierarchy 16:09:10 Manager -> Supervisor -> User 16:09:25 Aha. 16:09:29 the problem I have is Supervisor A can edit Supervisor B's users 16:09:32 I can't even get to the edit page. 16:09:46 Ah. Your permissions is inheriting incorrectly. 16:09:52 yeah 16:10:12 lol 16:10:25 it won't pass QA so it doesn't matter :-) 16:10:44 I have a weird situation, half of my mail to one email address goes to another address. Something with my virtual domains. 16:11:05 Didn't you say everything was your fault? 16:11:08 :-) 16:12:19 I think its the defaultdomain setting. 16:20:35 now OPN runs on their own time? 16:20:37 interesting 16:21:02 well I changed something, lets see what happens. For some reason when I moved qmail from one server to another, it started bouncing half my mail for bad line-endings. 16:25:04 LOL 16:25:07 he read my mind 16:25:21 Dave, where does the admin get created? 16:28:10 openacs 4 16:28:16 in? 16:28:30 yes 16:32:27 the first admin is created when you install. you can add users and make them admin from the users admin interface. 16:34:34 right 16:35:05 I need to create an entry in my snmp_employee_hierarchy table so that it doesn't crap out when people try to add more people thought my interface 16:36:38 you need to create in entry for the new person? 16:37:19 no 16:37:32 I need to add a (admin,null) entry into that table 16:41:14 aha 16:41:38 I am not sure where that should be put in. 16:41:59 did you create a package for your system? 16:42:28 it should probably find out who the admin is and insert it after the table is created in the data model load SQL file. 16:45:13 right 16:45:21 and no, I did not create a package...yet 16:45:52 aha. so you just loaded all the SQL stuff through SQL*Plus? 16:46:57 problem is, is the sitewide admin the boss of everyone? 16:47:04 does he really need to be in that table? 16:51:35 yes 16:53:00 ok 17:22:39 man 17:22:48 everyone is moving slower than molasses around here now 17:27:05 moo 17:27:19 Psychephylax: Congratulations! 17:29:49 Moo! 17:29:50 :) 17:29:56 Thank moo! 17:30:58 I'm graduating next semester. 17:32:15 hopefully I will be starting next semester :) 17:32:33 Cool! 17:32:34 :) 17:32:39 we can throw a big ACS party 17:33:33 heheh 17:34:24 bbl 17:34:28 lunch time! 17:49:41 bbl 18:22:01 talli (~talli@ip64-75-147-64.dial.maui.net) has joined #openacs 18:22:31 hello 18:22:48 hi talli 18:24:57 talli has quit (Client Quit) 18:26:32 til (~tils@62.116.25.202) has joined #openacs 19:31:19 Dave? 19:31:28 yes 19:32:19 Question for you 19:32:43 http://www.sun.com/solaris/binaries/;$sessionid$NCHQ0WU1IUU3HAMTA1LU5YQ 19:32:43 D: http://www.sun.com/solaris/binaries/;$sessionid$NCHQ0WU1IUU3HAMTA1LU5YQ from davb 19:33:08 That's not gonna bookmark :-( 19:33:11 Anyhoo 19:33:23 Say I have 1 multiple name=blah 19:33:26 D:|Solaris 8 Operating Environment, download for free 19:33:26 titled item D 19:33:29 ack 19:33:32 ok. 19:33:36 and a 2nd multiple name=mark 19:33:46 Now, I did everything I wanted with blah already 19:33:50 and I'm doing mark 19:33:55 D: use this link instead [Solaris|http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/binaries/get.html] 19:33:56 commented item D 19:33:56 errr...that sounded really bad... 19:34:01 heh 19:34:09 processing 19:34:13 yes 19:34:27 processing mark...and I need a variable from multiple blah 19:34:34 can I still reference it? 19:34:48 What kind of scoping features does this thing have 19:35:31 ? 19:35:36 you should be able to nest it. 19:35:40 like so: 19:35:46 19:35:48 do some stuff 19:36:02 wait though... still thats icky 19:36:18 if you nest mark in blah, it evaluates mark for each item in blah 19:36:22 what are you trying to do? 19:36:33 Well, I have to print out the ping tables 19:36:51 and the db table stores only incident_id and ping time 19:37:04 The table should print modem ip & ping time 19:37:13 I have modem_ip in blah 19:37:21 but not in mark 19:37:29 are they parallel? 19:37:34 so I was trying to avoid doing a join on the tables 19:37:45 parallel? 19:37:51 No, they're square =D 19:38:08 you have to arrays or whatever, does 1 in blah coincide with 1 in mark etc... 19:38:13 no 19:38:20 btw, i knew what you meant hehe 19:38:37 I can do it with a join 19:38:40 but I'd rather not 19:38:47 I think you must. 19:38:50 Ok then 19:39:04 must I go to the bathroom...that's right, I must 19:40:27 :) 19:40:32 mmmm...refreshing 19:53:05 yay 19:53:13 I rule with my joins 20:06:26 heh 20:07:01 zzzz 20:07:06 This place is boring today 20:07:11 Kinda creepy too 20:21:50 oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 20:21:55 :) 20:22:09 ? 20:24:22 just adding to the creepiness. Probably needs an audio track to be really effective. 20:24:32 or is that spooky? 20:25:40 anlater (~antonio@212.34.222.62) has joined #openacs 20:25:41 yeah 20:25:57 I'm bored 20:26:14 And my boss is slow about getting info I need for doing work 20:27:06 i am bored also. this is just an icky time to be working. 20:28:34 heh 20:29:26 i'm not even doing work 20:29:29 I'm just pretending I am 20:29:43 I am not even pretending 20:29:46 lol 20:30:19 that takes balls 20:33:12 Goofing off is much more efficient with a computer and high speed internet access. 20:34:00 yes yes 20:34:22 but there's always this fear of my boss stopping off to *gasp* give me something useful to work with 20:34:48 God bless emacs! It has games built in....I'd like to see vi have that! 20:37:29 that is cool. I'll have to try that! 20:38:03 hehe 20:38:04 yeah 20:38:08 Tetris 20:43:19 M-x tetris, what else. 20:43:23 That is so cool. 20:43:33 I am a total geek obviously. 20:43:33 sokoban 20:43:54 psychoanalyst (more of a program / bot that talks back 20:43:57 ) 20:44:15 ther'es more that I don't know about 20:44:18 i'm sure you cna download more 20:45:19 of course. 20:48:15 vinod (~vinod@207-172-216-65.s573.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 20:48:34 howdy everyone! 20:49:21 Hey vinod! 20:49:31 hey vinod 20:49:48 congrats Psychephylax! 20:51:09 i'm back in boston with my reliable 56K connection again 20:51:16 * vinod hugs his modem 20:51:31 lol 20:51:32 modem? 20:51:37 Thanks vinod! 20:51:42 * Psychephylax hugs his cable modem 20:51:50 showoff! 20:52:01 :-/ 20:53:18 hazmat has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 20:53:49 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 20:55:26 a friend of mine got me a beer-brewing kit for xmas, so my kitchen stinks like a brewery right now 20:55:52 cool! 20:55:55 nice 20:56:04 OpenACS social at vinod's place! 20:56:09 LOL! 20:56:10 haha 20:56:20 you will be *forced* to drink beer! 20:56:30 I hate when that happens 20:56:36 :) 20:56:36 lol 20:56:43 That's kind of odd 20:56:56 I can't establish an SSH X tunnel 21:00:47 sorry to hear that. 21:01:29 heh 21:01:35 help me figure out why I can't do it :-/ 21:01:55 If I can ssh into a box then shouldnt' I be able to tunnel over ssh? 21:02:13 i think so, unless there's a firewall or other restriction 21:03:02 do you get an error message? 21:03:17 no 21:03:21 That's what I'm saying 21:03:37 If you can SSH doesn't X tunneling run only over ssh? 21:04:08 i can run xemacs from my bosses server 21:04:19 but I can't run xemas from my machine at home 21:05:28 i'm no expert at this, but i thought the xserver ran on a different port than ssh and that it just used ssh for auth (I'm probably wrong though) 21:06:34 * davb has no clue 21:06:44 moo 21:07:09