IRC log of openacs on 2001-12-28

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00:52:04 [davb]
hi
00:54:37 [Psychephylax]
blah
00:54:44 [Psychephylax]
The blue cow screams at the moon...
00:58:26 [Psychephylax]
brb
01:02:11 [hazmat]
ttl 20
01:02:16 [beattiek2]
haz
01:02:18 [beattiek2]
sec
01:02:29 [davb]
hi beattiek
01:02:32 [beattiek2]
hey davb
01:03:08 [beattiek2]
hazmat: the reason is that phillip published it
01:03:42 [beattiek2]
hazmat: him publishing it was in the contract, but i don't think he owns the rights
01:03:55 [beattiek2]
davb: how has it been?
01:03:59 [davb]
for PANDA?
01:04:13 [davb]
not bad, except I got in a little car accident :(
01:04:21 [beattiek2]
was it your car?
01:04:24 [davb]
I am ok, but me car is not.
01:04:34 [beattiek2]
good... and bad...
01:04:52 [davb]
yeah. it will get fixed.
01:05:01 [beattiek2]
what car did you have?\
01:05:13 [hazmat]
ahh.. interesting.
01:05:46 [beattiek2]
maybe it was just P&A guide.
01:06:01 [beattiek2]
i'm not sure about panda... i guess.
01:06:35 [beattiek2]
i'm confused
01:06:50 [beattiek2]
i shouldn't talk so much
01:07:13 [davb]
P AND A :)
01:07:14 [beattiek2]
so dave, are you making progress? (with the project)
01:07:20 [beattiek2]
yeah
01:07:26 [beattiek2]
so the same book
01:07:30 [beattiek2]
i thought it was the same
01:07:34 [davb]
I have a meeting next week. We will see what the status is.
01:07:36 [beattiek2]
but i was unsure
01:07:54 [beattiek2]
good, at least thats pro-progress :)
01:08:20 [davb]
yes. hopefully he will make a decision :)
01:08:28 [lilo]
Hi all. Just to remind you. Channels #secrets and #!/bin/sh are bot-infested and we are juping them again. If you try to join those channels, you will be k-lined and will need to write to support@openprojects.net for help. Please don't, and if you see anyone asking someone to join one of those channels, tell them not to. Thanks again.
01:09:02 [beattiek2]
Good luck! (the explaination mark is so you don't think it's sarcastic)
01:09:09 [davb]
:)
01:09:37 [beattiek2]
yeah. there sould be a sarcasm key.
01:09:49 [davb]
You are correct. Especially in IRC
01:09:49 [beattiek2]
like ~ or something
01:10:07 [davb]
Psychephylax: : whats an emoticon for sarcasm?
01:10:16 [beattiek2]
actualy an asian girl uses that. she is like SO~~
01:10:24 [beattiek2]
anyhow.
01:11:11 [beattiek2]
what do you think about name changing?
01:11:41 [davb]
I think we probably should change it, but it has to be really good. I am for the one word "brand" type name.
01:14:40 [davb]
Talli suggested Zocalo
01:15:23 [davb]
as the new name.
01:15:51 [davb]
http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/2001/10/11/2001-10-11.html
01:15:52 [chump]
C: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog/2001/10/11/2001-10-11.html from davb
01:16:00 [davb]
C:|Link to Zocalo link
01:16:01 [chump]
titled item C
01:16:10 [davb]
C:new OpenACS name suggestion by talli
01:16:10 [chump]
commented item C
01:16:37 [beattiek2]
Zope is a cool name.
01:16:42 [beattiek2]
we gotta compete :P
01:16:50 [beattiek2]
I think it should stay OACS.
01:17:04 [davb]
Because?
01:17:27 [davb]
More than one person has been confused by the aD connection.
01:17:31 [davb]
or lack thereof
01:18:26 [davb]
brb
01:23:31 [beattiek2]
well i don't realy care anyhow, as long as the name is cool
01:25:31 [rbm]
I actually like "Agora"
01:25:55 [rbm]
Zope sounds bad IMHO. It rhymes with Dope
01:26:39 [davb]
yeah, too bad its already taken.
01:27:53 [rbm]
Agora is not taken. W-Agora is
01:28:32 [beattiek2]
and pope
01:34:16 [davb]
ah
01:40:01 [rbm]
* rbm leaves
01:54:14 [hazmat]
the fact that zope rhymes with dope is a plus imo.
01:54:27 [hazmat]
* hazmat is a professional zope dealer
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02:16:52 [davb]
hi sbp
02:18:16 [sbp]
Hi. Er... am I being logged on this channel? What is loggy?
02:18:25 [davb]
yes,
02:18:30 [davb]
or I can turn it off
02:18:33 [davb]
loggy, off
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loggy, off
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[#OpenACS] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog
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13:47:23 [jim]
loggy doggy?
13:48:34 [markd2]
maybe chump beat him up
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14:09:33 [davb]
http://software.libertine.org/tmda/index.html
14:09:34 [chump]
A: http://software.libertine.org/tmda/index.html from davb
14:09:43 [davb]
A:|Tagged Message Delivery Agent
14:09:43 [chump]
titled item A
14:10:14 [davb]
A: This looks like a great SPAM prevention tool, you need to have your own mail server to use it. It works with qmail, postfix, and exim
14:10:14 [chump]
commented item A
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14:38:37 [davb]
http://pdlogan.manilasites.com/2001/12/27
14:38:37 [chump]
B: http://pdlogan.manilasites.com/2001/12/27 from davb
14:38:56 [davb]
B:|Someone responds to John Robb so I don't have to
14:38:57 [chump]
titled item B
14:41:48 [jim]
trying to do SICP Ex 1.31... it doesnm'
14:41:56 [jim]
seem to approximate pi
14:43:53 [jim]
I decided to divide all by 2
14:44:04 [davb]
I never looked at it, sorry :). Its on my list of things to do.
14:44:41 [jim]
feel like taking a brief look see?
14:44:52 [jim]
I have all text and/or URLs
14:45:15 [jim]
and I have an implementation of everything needed
14:46:18 [jim]
the thing about my implementation is the series seems to be exploding rather than converging
14:46:36 [davb]
sure go ahead. Put a space or soemthing in front of the URL so chump doesn't grab it.
14:46:56 [jim]
ok
14:47:31 [jim]
this is the second problem set of aduni sicp from last term
14:47:39 [jim]
second problem
14:48:39 [jim]
take this url: http://mitpress.mit.edu/sicp/full-text/book/book-Z-H-12.html#%_sec_1.3.2
14:49:07 [jim]
and when you get there, go back about a screenful or 2
14:49:29 [jim]
you'll see 1.31
14:50:07 [jim]
what I decided to do was divide the series by 2
14:50:35 [jim]
getting rid of the lone 2 in the upper left
14:50:56 [jim]
and dividing (pi/4) by 2 also, giving pi/8
14:51:19 [davb]
what exercise are you on?
14:51:21 [jim]
that make sense to you? you see why I'm going for that?
14:51:24 [jim]
1.31
14:51:49 [jim]
it's a few lines -before- the URL I pasted
14:52:38 [davb]
aha I see... the excercise.
14:54:29 [davb]
this is why I am relearning all the math I forgot before tackling SICP :)
14:54:54 [jim]
yeah, they put too mucha that math stuff in there :)
14:58:59 [davb]
I'm sorry, I just can't get my head around that stuff right now :)
14:59:40 [jim]
ok, np
15:40:15 [Psychephylax]
hey
15:43:38 [davb]
howdy
15:44:41 [Psychephylax]
I finally found out my grades!
15:45:07 [Psychephylax]
Psychephylax has changed the topic to: PsycheSporkiephylax really graduates!!! All cheer and love OACS!
15:46:36 [davb]
yippee!!
15:47:13 [Psychephylax]
Yes!
15:47:25 [jim]
graduates from what?
15:47:47 [Psychephylax]
College
15:47:57 [jim]
ahh :) congrats
15:47:59 [Psychephylax]
thanks
15:48:07 [jim]
what did you major in?
15:52:24 [Psychephylax]
Computer Science & Applied Math and Statistics
15:53:08 [Psychephylax]
yet I don't know either ... mmmm. money well spent...
15:54:52 [davb]
Thats why I am going to teach myself CS based on the aduni.org curriculum :)
15:54:57 [Psychephylax]
:-/
15:56:16 [Psychephylax]
heh
15:56:25 [Psychephylax]
I'm looking at aduni.org/courses
15:56:54 [davb]
did you learn any of that stuff?
15:57:48 [Psychephylax]
I did yep
15:57:58 [davb]
cool.
15:58:11 [davb]
I am still on Albegra :-/
15:58:17 [Psychephylax]
8 of those I did
15:58:22 [Psychephylax]
maybe 9
15:58:36 [davb]
regular, not linear. I gotta get going or I'll be 100 before I get to calculus.
15:59:11 [Psychephylax]
1,3,4,5,6,9,11,12
16:00:25 [Psychephylax]
Geeeeez
16:00:33 [Psychephylax]
That's some huge lecture files
16:00:56 [davb]
heh
16:01:10 [Psychephylax]
Need blank cds here
16:01:26 [davb]
I am plannning on sending away for them. Or if they have the original videos, hopefully we can get someone to master a DVD or 2.
16:01:51 [davb]
http://www.squarewave.com/geometry/
16:01:52 [chump]
C: http://www.squarewave.com/geometry/ from davb
16:02:08 [davb]
C:| Build a icosahedron dome
16:02:09 [chump]
titled item C
16:02:19 [Psychephylax]
I'm just going to download some
16:02:57 [Psychephylax]
Wow
16:03:03 [Psychephylax]
I think there's a bug in OACS
16:03:18 [Psychephylax]
you have a handy install of it Dave?
16:03:31 [davb]
yes, CVS from Wednesday.
16:03:34 [Psychephylax]
ok
16:03:37 [Psychephylax]
Do me a favor
16:03:39 [Psychephylax]
try this
16:03:40 [davb]
Ok.
16:03:48 [Psychephylax]
Make like 3 users
16:03:53 [Psychephylax]
Actually
16:04:11 [Psychephylax]
it doesn't matter how many
16:04:21 [Psychephylax]
as long as you have 2 separate users who are not admins
16:04:34 [Psychephylax]
then have one of them, try to edit the other one
16:04:54 [davb]
ok.
16:04:57 [Psychephylax]
I get a "Security violation" page but the change is made
16:05:05 [davb]
is there an admin page for that?
16:05:50 [Psychephylax]
yes I think so
16:06:05 [Psychephylax]
oh
16:06:09 [Psychephylax]
it's probably my fault
16:06:27 [davb]
heh
16:07:37 [Psychephylax]
no, wait
16:07:39 [Psychephylax]
AH!
16:07:50 [Psychephylax]
i can't tell
16:07:59 [Psychephylax]
you know
16:08:04 [Psychephylax]
I am very bored of this project
16:08:20 [davb]
Sorry to hear that.
16:08:34 [Psychephylax]
yes Dave, it's all your fault
16:08:36 [davb]
How can a regular user try to edit another user anyway?
16:08:44 [davb]
of course its my fault. everything is my fault.
16:08:56 [Psychephylax]
Remember, I have a tiered hierarchy
16:09:10 [Psychephylax]
Manager -> Supervisor -> User
16:09:25 [davb]
Aha.
16:09:29 [Psychephylax]
the problem I have is Supervisor A can edit Supervisor B's users
16:09:32 [davb]
I can't even get to the edit page.
16:09:46 [davb]
Ah. Your permissions is inheriting incorrectly.
16:09:52 [Psychephylax]
yeah
16:10:12 [Psychephylax]
lol
16:10:25 [Psychephylax]
it won't pass QA so it doesn't matter :-)
16:10:44 [davb]
I have a weird situation, half of my mail to one email address goes to another address. Something with my virtual domains.
16:11:05 [Psychephylax]
Didn't you say everything was your fault?
16:11:08 [Psychephylax]
:-)
16:12:19 [davb]
I think its the defaultdomain setting.
16:20:35 [Psychephylax]
now OPN runs on their own time?
16:20:37 [Psychephylax]
interesting
16:21:02 [davb]
well I changed something, lets see what happens. For some reason when I moved qmail from one server to another, it started bouncing half my mail for bad line-endings.
16:25:04 [Psychephylax]
LOL
16:25:07 [Psychephylax]
he read my mind
16:25:21 [Psychephylax]
Dave, where does the admin get created?
16:28:10 [davb]
openacs 4
16:28:16 [davb]
in?
16:28:30 [Psychephylax]
yes
16:32:27 [davb]
the first admin is created when you install. you can add users and make them admin from the users admin interface.
16:34:34 [Psychephylax]
right
16:35:05 [Psychephylax]
I need to create an entry in my snmp_employee_hierarchy table so that it doesn't crap out when people try to add more people thought my interface
16:36:38 [davb]
you need to create in entry for the new person?
16:37:19 [Psychephylax]
no
16:37:32 [Psychephylax]
I need to add a (admin,null) entry into that table
16:41:14 [davb]
aha
16:41:38 [davb]
I am not sure where that should be put in.
16:41:59 [davb]
did you create a package for your system?
16:42:28 [davb]
it should probably find out who the admin is and insert it after the table is created in the data model load SQL file.
16:45:13 [Psychephylax]
right
16:45:21 [Psychephylax]
and no, I did not create a package...yet
16:45:52 [davb]
aha. so you just loaded all the SQL stuff through SQL*Plus?
16:46:57 [davb]
problem is, is the sitewide admin the boss of everyone?
16:47:04 [davb]
does he really need to be in that table?
16:51:35 [Psychephylax]
yes
16:53:00 [davb]
ok
17:22:39 [Psychephylax]
man
17:22:48 [Psychephylax]
everyone is moving slower than molasses around here now
17:27:05 [rbm]
moo
17:27:19 [rbm]
Psychephylax: Congratulations!
17:29:49 [Psychephylax]
Moo!
17:29:50 [Psychephylax]
:)
17:29:56 [Psychephylax]
Thank moo!
17:30:58 [rbm]
I'm graduating next semester.
17:32:15 [davb]
hopefully I will be starting next semester :)
17:32:33 [Psychephylax]
Cool!
17:32:34 [Psychephylax]
:)
17:32:39 [Psychephylax]
we can throw a big ACS party
17:33:33 [rbm]
heheh
17:34:24 [Psychephylax]
bbl
17:34:28 [Psychephylax]
lunch time!
17:49:41 [rbm]
bbl
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18:22:31 [talli]
hello
18:22:48 [davb]
hi talli
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19:31:19 [Psychephylax]
Dave?
19:31:28 [davb]
yes
19:32:19 [Psychephylax]
Question for you
19:32:43 [davb]
http://www.sun.com/solaris/binaries/;$sessionid$NCHQ0WU1IUU3HAMTA1LU5YQ
19:32:43 [chump]
D: http://www.sun.com/solaris/binaries/;$sessionid$NCHQ0WU1IUU3HAMTA1LU5YQ from davb
19:33:08 [Psychephylax]
That's not gonna bookmark :-(
19:33:11 [Psychephylax]
Anyhoo
19:33:23 [Psychephylax]
Say I have 1 multiple name=blah
19:33:26 [davb]
D:|Solaris 8 Operating Environment, download for free
19:33:26 [chump]
titled item D
19:33:29 [davb]
ack
19:33:32 [davb]
ok.
19:33:36 [Psychephylax]
and a 2nd multiple name=mark
19:33:46 [Psychephylax]
Now, I did everything I wanted with blah already
19:33:50 [Psychephylax]
and I'm doing mark
19:33:55 [davb]
D: use this link instead [Solaris|http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/binaries/get.html]
19:33:56 [chump]
commented item D
19:33:56 [Psychephylax]
errr...that sounded really bad...
19:34:01 [davb]
heh
19:34:09 [davb]
processing
19:34:13 [Psychephylax]
yes
19:34:27 [Psychephylax]
processing mark...and I need a variable from multiple blah
19:34:34 [Psychephylax]
can I still reference it?
19:34:48 [Psychephylax]
What kind of scoping features does this thing have
19:35:31 [davb]
?
19:35:36 [davb]
you should be able to nest it.
19:35:40 [davb]
like so:
19:35:46 [davb]
<multiple name="blah">
19:35:48 [davb]
do some stuff
19:36:02 [davb]
wait though... still thats icky
19:36:18 [davb]
if you nest mark in blah, it evaluates mark for each item in blah
19:36:22 [davb]
what are you trying to do?
19:36:33 [Psychephylax]
Well, I have to print out the ping tables
19:36:51 [Psychephylax]
and the db table stores only incident_id and ping time
19:37:04 [Psychephylax]
The table should print modem ip & ping time
19:37:13 [Psychephylax]
I have modem_ip in blah
19:37:21 [Psychephylax]
but not in mark
19:37:29 [davb]
are they parallel?
19:37:34 [Psychephylax]
so I was trying to avoid doing a join on the tables
19:37:45 [Psychephylax]
parallel?
19:37:51 [Psychephylax]
No, they're square =D
19:38:08 [davb]
you have to arrays or whatever, does 1 in blah coincide with 1 in mark etc...
19:38:13 [Psychephylax]
no
19:38:20 [Psychephylax]
btw, i knew what you meant hehe
19:38:37 [Psychephylax]
I can do it with a join
19:38:40 [Psychephylax]
but I'd rather not
19:38:47 [davb]
I think you must.
19:38:50 [Psychephylax]
Ok then
19:39:04 [Psychephylax]
must I go to the bathroom...that's right, I must
19:40:27 [Psychephylax]
:)
19:40:32 [Psychephylax]
mmmm...refreshing
19:53:05 [Psychephylax]
yay
19:53:13 [Psychephylax]
I rule with my joins
20:06:26 [davb]
heh
20:07:01 [Psychephylax]
zzzz
20:07:06 [Psychephylax]
This place is boring today
20:07:11 [Psychephylax]
Kinda creepy too
20:21:50 [davb]
oooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
20:21:55 [davb]
:)
20:22:09 [Psychephylax]
?
20:24:22 [davb]
just adding to the creepiness. Probably needs an audio track to be really effective.
20:24:32 [davb]
or is that spooky?
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20:25:41 [Psychephylax]
yeah
20:25:57 [Psychephylax]
I'm bored
20:26:14 [Psychephylax]
And my boss is slow about getting info I need for doing work
20:27:06 [davb]
i am bored also. this is just an icky time to be working.
20:28:34 [Psychephylax]
heh
20:29:26 [Psychephylax]
i'm not even doing work
20:29:29 [Psychephylax]
I'm just pretending I am
20:29:43 [davb]
I am not even pretending
20:29:46 [Psychephylax]
lol
20:30:19 [Psychephylax]
that takes balls
20:33:12 [davb]
Goofing off is much more efficient with a computer and high speed internet access.
20:34:00 [Psychephylax]
yes yes
20:34:22 [Psychephylax]
but there's always this fear of my boss stopping off to *gasp* give me something useful to work with
20:34:48 [Psychephylax]
God bless emacs! It has games built in....I'd like to see vi have that!
20:37:29 [davb]
that is cool. I'll have to try that!
20:38:03 [Psychephylax]
hehe
20:38:04 [Psychephylax]
yeah
20:38:08 [Psychephylax]
Tetris
20:43:19 [davb]
M-x tetris, what else.
20:43:23 [davb]
That is so cool.
20:43:33 [davb]
I am a total geek obviously.
20:43:33 [Psychephylax]
sokoban
20:43:54 [Psychephylax]
psychoanalyst (more of a program / bot that talks back
20:43:57 [Psychephylax]
)
20:44:15 [Psychephylax]
ther'es more that I don't know about
20:44:18 [Psychephylax]
i'm sure you cna download more
20:45:19 [davb]
of course.
20:48:15 [vinod]
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20:48:34 [vinod]
howdy everyone!
20:49:21 [davb]
Hey vinod!
20:49:31 [Psychephylax]
hey vinod
20:49:48 [vinod]
congrats Psychephylax!
20:51:09 [vinod]
i'm back in boston with my reliable 56K connection again
20:51:16 [vinod]
* vinod hugs his modem
20:51:31 [Psychephylax]
lol
20:51:32 [Psychephylax]
modem?
20:51:37 [Psychephylax]
Thanks vinod!
20:51:42 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax hugs his cable modem
20:51:50 [vinod]
showoff!
20:52:01 [Psychephylax]
:-/
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20:55:26 [vinod]
a friend of mine got me a beer-brewing kit for xmas, so my kitchen stinks like a brewery right now
20:55:52 [davb]
cool!
20:55:55 [Psychephylax]
nice
20:56:04 [davb]
OpenACS social at vinod's place!
20:56:09 [Psychephylax]
LOL!
20:56:10 [vinod]
haha
20:56:20 [vinod]
you will be *forced* to drink beer!
20:56:30 [davb]
I hate when that happens
20:56:36 [davb]
:)
20:56:36 [vinod]
lol
20:56:43 [Psychephylax]
That's kind of odd
20:56:56 [Psychephylax]
I can't establish an SSH X tunnel
21:00:47 [davb]
sorry to hear that.
21:01:29 [Psychephylax]
heh
21:01:35 [Psychephylax]
help me figure out why I can't do it :-/
21:01:55 [Psychephylax]
If I can ssh into a box then shouldnt' I be able to tunnel over ssh?
21:02:13 [vinod]
i think so, unless there's a firewall or other restriction
21:03:02 [vinod]
do you get an error message?
21:03:17 [Psychephylax]
no
21:03:21 [Psychephylax]
That's what I'm saying
21:03:37 [Psychephylax]
If you can SSH doesn't X tunneling run only over ssh?
21:04:08 [Psychephylax]
i can run xemacs from my bosses server
21:04:19 [Psychephylax]
but I can't run xemas from my machine at home
21:05:28 [vinod]
i'm no expert at this, but i thought the xserver ran on a different port than ssh and that it just used ssh for auth (I'm probably wrong though)
21:06:34 [davb]
* davb has no clue
21:06:44 [rbm]
moo
21:07:09 [vinod]
Psychephylax: i think i'm wrong - you're right -> http://www.employees.org/~satch/ssh/faq/ssh-faq-5.html#ss5.10
21:07:11 [davb]
http://slashdot.org/articles/01/12/28/1925253.shtml
21:07:12 [chump]
E: http://slashdot.org/articles/01/12/28/1925253.shtml from davb
21:07:16 [vinod]
hey rbm!
21:07:21 [rbm]
SSH usually does port forwarding by default, however, both client and server must be set to allow this
21:07:23 [davb]
E:|How to Build a Fast Air-Cooled Quiet PC
21:07:24 [chump]
titled item E
21:07:26 [rbm]
vinod!
21:07:35 [Psychephylax]
Moo
21:07:47 [rbm]
* rbm wishes for a Soyo K7V Dragon+ and an Athlon XP 1700
21:07:48 [Psychephylax]
Roberto, I can run xemacs on my local LAN
21:08:00 [Psychephylax]
but not at work
21:08:06 [davb]
rbm: sounds cool
21:08:46 [rbm]
when you ssh into the machine you're running xemacs at, what's the value of the $DISPLAY env var?
21:09:05 [rbm]
BTW, FSF Emacs 21 is much better than XEmacs IMHO
21:09:13 [Psychephylax]
aha
21:09:22 [Psychephylax]
it's this IP
21:09:22 [Psychephylax]
but
21:09:28 [Psychephylax]
I did set display to be 0.0
21:09:42 [Psychephylax]
it should be something else because I have an X session to another machine already
21:10:11 [rbm]
That doesn't work. :0.0 is the display of the local machine. you want it to be the socket SSH setup when you logged on (e.g. foobar:10.0)
21:10:44 [rbm]
Check the /etc/ssh/sshd_config and see if X11Forwarding is set to true
21:10:50 [rbm]
(on the remote machine)
21:10:54 [Psychephylax]
yes it is
21:11:14 [rbm]
So check your local /etc/ssh/ssh_config (not sshd_config)
21:11:45 [Psychephylax]
This is a windows box
21:11:55 [rbm]
Ugh! Got me there then.
21:11:56 [Psychephylax]
It has an x server though
21:12:06 [Psychephylax]
ok
21:12:08 [Psychephylax]
I'll explain
21:12:22 [rbm]
What ssh client are you using?
21:12:27 [Psychephylax]
My home machine: Can run X to my second home machine (the lan is behind a router)
21:12:53 [rbm]
Same setup? Linux <-> Windows?
21:13:01 [Psychephylax]
this machine I'm on now, can accept X sessions from other machines (i run Xemacs off the sun box)
21:13:05 [Psychephylax]
yes, Linux to Windows
21:13:17 [rbm]
ssh client?
21:13:28 [Psychephylax]
from www.ssh.com
21:13:42 [Psychephylax]
And yes, I have "X11 Tunneling" checked in the client
21:14:17 [rbm]
no clue then. Try running ssh -v -v -v to see what's going on
21:14:27 [Psychephylax]
3 of those?
21:14:33 [rbm]
super verbosity
21:14:37 [Psychephylax]
LOL
21:15:10 [Psychephylax]
SSH Version OpenSSH_2.3.0 green@FreeBSD.org 20010321, protocol versions 1.5/2.0.
21:15:10 [Psychephylax]
Compiled with SSL (0x0090601f).
21:15:15 [Psychephylax]
and the error is:
21:15:24 [Psychephylax]
nblyumbe@homer../usr/local>xterm
21:15:24 [Psychephylax]
_X11TransSocketINETConnect: Can't connect: errno = 60
21:15:24 [Psychephylax]
xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 167.206.9.197:1.0
21:16:15 [rbm]
I'm going to repeat this question: When you SSH from the Windows box and you log in, What's the value of $DISPLAY?
21:16:31 [Psychephylax]
nothing
21:16:49 [Psychephylax]
i manually set it
21:16:56 [Psychephylax]
to the ip of the machine I am using
21:17:01 [rbm]
Then one of your SSH ends is busted, and until you fix it, it won't work. Manually setting it doesn't work.
21:17:26 [rbm]
Not if you want to tunnel the X connection through SSH.
21:18:01 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
21:18:02 [Psychephylax]
odd
21:18:16 [rbm]
Now if you don't care about the tunnelling, then just make sure your X on Windows is listening and then set your $DISPLAY on the remote machine to :0.0
21:18:36 [rbm]
s/:0.0/167.206.9.197:0.0/
21:18:43 [Psychephylax]
right but then it's not tunneling and the firewalls/routers get in the way
21:18:49 [rbm]
Aha
21:18:55 [Psychephylax]
:)
21:18:55 [rbm]
Then you have to fix your SSH ends.
21:19:02 [Psychephylax]
How do I do that
21:19:15 [Psychephylax]
I know my home machine works
21:19:25 [rbm]
I have no clue with the SSH from ssh.com. With OpenSSH from CygWin it would be the same as in Linux.
21:19:46 [rbm]
<-- trusts configuration files and vim much more than checkboxes on GUIs
21:20:29 [Psychephylax]
yeah
21:20:41 [rbm]
have you tried ssh'ing from the DOS prompt?
21:21:07 [rbm]
There's got to be a config file even on the win version
21:21:19 [Psychephylax]
SSH from a dos prompt? HAHAHA
21:21:21 [Psychephylax]
that's funny
21:21:31 [Psychephylax]
you think Windows would have something useful like that?
21:21:41 [Psychephylax]
You have to install stuff just to get "uptime"
21:22:04 [rbm]
I've installed ssh from ssh.com and it had a command-line client
21:24:22 [rbm]
there's uptime for windows? Where?
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21:36:04 [Psychephylax]
For what version of windows
21:38:08 [rbm]
2k
21:39:04 [Psychephylax]
Pro or Server?
21:41:27 [rbm]
pro
21:42:17 [Psychephylax]
hold on
21:43:34 [davb]
later
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bbiab
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21:58:26 [Psychephylax]
HOLY chit!
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22:37:55 [Psychephylax]
hey
22:38:51 [davb]
hi.
22:39:12 [Psychephylax]
Arrays = evil
22:42:08 [davb]
no they are your friend, but you must master them or they will not respect you.
22:42:39 [Psychephylax]
i mean tcl arrays!
22:45:58 [davb]
me too
22:47:13 [jim]
they're not the most firstest class of objects...
22:47:45 [davb]
you just have to remember that Tcl arrays are not like any arrays you may already know.
22:48:18 [jim]
probably best to limit their scope of use
22:48:51 [jim]
get database query into array, use array immediately, get rid of array
22:48:56 [jim]
or like
22:49:24 [Psychephylax]
They're eeeeevil
22:49:41 [Psychephylax]
and on the brigther note
22:49:51 [Psychephylax]
my boss actually gave me a hand today doing something useful
22:49:53 [jim]
I will have to say, I do like first class data
22:50:11 [jim]
wow :) you have three hands now?
22:50:26 [Psychephylax]
yes!
22:51:33 [jim]
inasmuch as aolserver has somewhat more useful arrays, you could use those
22:51:57 [jim]
they're still not first class
22:54:25 [Psychephylax]
Is Roberto still around?
22:54:32 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax pokes rbm
23:09:33 [rbm]
* rbm acts poked
23:10:39 [Psychephylax]
lol
23:10:51 [Psychephylax]
HAve you looked at any Abit motherboards?
23:11:36 [Psychephylax]
the Abit KR7A-RAID looks like it will give the DRAGON Plus a run for its money
23:12:33 [Psychephylax]
6PCI vs 5PCI, UDMA 133, 4 DDR DIMM sockets vs 3 DDR DIMM sockets
23:12:35 [Psychephylax]
:-D
23:12:45 [Psychephylax]
And they cost the same I think
23:14:12 [rbm]
Did you look at the Tomshardware shoot out?
23:14:20 [rbm]
The Dragon+ beat the ASUS
23:14:28 [Psychephylax]
Asus != Abit
23:14:35 [rbm]
s/ASUS/Abit/
23:15:11 [rbm]
The shoot out was mostly looking at performance and stability though.
23:15:18 [Psychephylax]
Ok, go back and look :)
23:15:23 [Psychephylax]
then tell me where you see Abit
23:15:39 [rbm]
I'm not looking at the article right now. Don't even have the URL.
23:15:45 [rbm]
I don't doubt the Abit one is a good mobo
23:15:51 [Psychephylax]
will this help: http://www.tomshardware.com/mainboard/01q4/011126/kt266a_nforce-11.html
23:15:56 [Psychephylax]
:p
23:15:59 [rbm]
:-P
23:16:09 [rbm]
Your point is?
23:16:18 [Psychephylax]
Abit!!!
23:16:21 [Psychephylax]
ABIT!!!
23:16:26 [Psychephylax]
a bit of common sense?
23:16:28 [Psychephylax]
har har har
23:16:30 [rbm]
You like the Abit, buy the Abit
23:16:36 [Psychephylax]
I like Asus
23:16:44 [rbm]
I can't afford either so it's a moot point for me.
23:16:45 [Psychephylax]
Jesus was always good to the people
23:16:53 [Psychephylax]
Ah
23:16:59 [Psychephylax]
I can afford, but not going to
23:17:03 [Psychephylax]
Saving my money for a car
23:17:19 [rbm]
New car? New used car?
23:18:02 [Psychephylax]
New car
23:18:14 [rbm]
okay.
23:18:16 [Psychephylax]
I already have a used car why would I want another? lol
23:18:31 [rbm]
Because you lose a lot of money with a new car.
23:18:37 [Psychephylax]
lol
23:18:42 [Psychephylax]
You lose money with anything you do
23:18:52 [Psychephylax]
You buy stocks...you lose money
23:18:58 [Psychephylax]
you go to work, you lose money
23:19:00 [rbm]
You lose a lot more with a new car.
23:19:03 [Psychephylax]
you buy something, you lose money
23:19:08 [Psychephylax]
Nah
23:19:16 [Psychephylax]
you only lose the money if: 1. You lease
23:19:28 [rbm]
But hey, some people like to throw money away. Who am I to contest it?
23:19:30 [Psychephylax]
2. You buy but the interest gets you
23:19:44 [Psychephylax]
No interest if you give them the money upfront
23:20:06 [rbm]
You lose some 3-5 grand by driving out of the store.
23:20:20 [rbm]
That's some quick depreciation.
23:20:27 [Psychephylax]
Well, that's true but only if it's not a test drive :p
23:20:40 [Psychephylax]
What do you suggest then? I walk?
23:20:51 [rbm]
Nope. Do whatever you think is best for you.
23:21:07 [Psychephylax]
Well, no, I already showed my pov, I wanna see others
23:22:16 [rbm]
I would buy a 1 year old car if I wanted a new car. I would lose a lot less.
23:22:54 [rbm]
With the 3-5 grand you would save, you could buy other stuff you need.
23:23:24 [Psychephylax]
Yes, but what's preventing you from buying a car that has been in a car accident?
23:23:40 [Psychephylax]
Not to mention, how did those people treat the engine and the rest of the car?
23:23:59 [Psychephylax]
And the new car smell?
23:24:02 [Psychephylax]
Hmmmmmmm?
23:24:25 [rbm]
There are online databases that ell you the history of a car.
23:24:47 [rbm]
You can always find someone that is mechanics-literate to go look ak the car with you.
23:25:35 [rbm]
There are parfums out there that replicate the new car smell. Leave it overnight in the car and you have the smell you would pay 5 thousand dollars for.
23:25:43 [Psychephylax]
lol
23:25:53 [Psychephylax]
That is true
23:26:06 [anlater]
jim: rbm: I solved the gcc problem. It was a mistake: before updating I copied /lib/* under /usr/lib/. So after updated to rh-7.2 there was old files (ld-linux.so.2 ..) under /usr/lib.
23:26:25 [rbm]
anlater: Ah. Yeah, that would screw you up :)
23:26:37 [anlater]
:)
23:26:38 [rbm]
Anyone has a SCSI burner to sell?
23:27:01 [Psychephylax]
no :)
23:27:11 [jim]
there's plextors for about $190 on pricewatch
23:27:17 [rbm]
eBay is not being very nice to me
23:27:38 [rbm]
$190 is a bit more than I can afford, unfortunately.
23:28:19 [jim]
if you could, that would be the drive to get... but there are other scsi burners cheaper
23:28:19 [rbm]
jim: what speed?
23:28:29 [rbm]
I really wanted a plextor
23:28:41 [jim]
I forget
23:28:46 [rbm]
Are the HP scsi burners good?
23:28:48 [jim]
12-?-32?
23:28:51 [Psychephylax]
heh
23:28:52 [jim]
dunno
23:28:55 [Psychephylax]
They're ok
23:29:09 [jim]
the plextors can do cd-r and cd-rw
23:30:02 [Psychephylax]
HP can too
23:30:16 [Psychephylax]
Plextors are good for overburning
23:30:35 [Psychephylax]
i'm going home
23:30:46 [Psychephylax]
see ya guys next year...or some time before when I'm bored :-=)
23:35:26 [davb]
HP are ok.
23:35:42 [davb]
I don't think there is really a bad cd recorder these days.
23:38:42 [davb]
Also why do you need a SCSI cd recorder?
23:38:59 [davb]
I have been using IDE for over a year. I have a nice 16x TDK. It screams.
23:40:02 [jim]
it's the burn stream... interrupt it... coaster...
23:40:18 [jim]
easy to interrupt ide, hard to interrupt scsi
23:41:00 [jim]
plus.. your machine could be doing kernel compiles and burning at the same time, and you have a good chance of getting a good cd
23:41:25 [jim]
if you have everything scsi, that is
23:41:53 [jim]
ide cuts into processor time, scsi doesn't (well, not in any way significantly)
23:48:14 [rbm]
I wanted to get a scsi burner, but given my budget constraints I think I'll get an IDE burner and save the money for a SCSI HD
23:48:56 [rbm]
I already bought the controller, so it would be nice to get a scsi burner thogh
23:56:44 [davb]
Is there that much difference? I suspect they don't make the cheap burners in SCSI. SO you have to get a good one.
23:57:36 [davb]
If you already have the controller I would probably go for SCSI.
23:58:03 [davb]
I recommend against Yamaha, they only last about a year in my experience, usually a month or two longer than the warranty :)
23:58:16 [rbm]
I bought the controller for $12+$4 at eBay
23:58:52 [rbm]
davb: I'm trying to gradually move myself off of IDE. IDE is an ugly, horrible hack.