IRC log of openacs on 2001-12-26

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14:30:10 [davb]
Hi gang. trying out Mozilla chat.
14:32:56 [davb]
bbiab, instaling mozilla 0.9.7
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16:07:31 [Psychephylax]
shidly ho neighborinos
16:17:23 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax pours cold water over dave
16:59:44 [davb]
ack
17:00:02 [davb]
mozilla 0.9.7 is even better
17:14:21 [davb]
http://www.advogato.org/article/398.html
17:14:22 [chump]
A: http://www.advogato.org/article/398.html from davb
17:14:38 [davb]
A:|Object Prevalence
17:14:38 [chump]
titled item A
17:14:55 [davb]
A: keep all your objects in memory and get rid of the RDBMS?
17:14:56 [chump]
commented item A
17:28:04 [hazmat]
interesting.
17:30:53 [rbm]
mooo
17:30:58 [hazmat]
hello
17:31:10 [rbm]
Hi hazmat
17:31:23 [rbm]
What imapd folks here use?
17:31:38 [rbm]
I'm trying to setup an imapd that can be used via SSL
17:31:56 [hazmat]
cyrus with sasl?
17:32:36 [rbm]
I've been using Cyrus (but not with SASL) but I'm not very happy with it.
17:32:50 [rbm]
What's SASL?
17:33:37 [davb]
i use courier
17:33:52 [davb]
courier can use SSL
17:34:06 [davb]
BUt I haven't tried it :)
17:34:41 [hazmat]
sasl is a security layer.
17:35:12 [hazmat]
http://asg.web.cmu.edu/sasl/
17:35:12 [chump]
B: http://asg.web.cmu.edu/sasl/ from hazmat
17:35:33 [hazmat]
beattiek: SASL - Simple Authentication and Security Layer, a method for adding authentication support to connection-based protocols
17:35:39 [hazmat]
beattiek: SASL - Simple Authentication and Security Layer, a method for adding authentication support to connection-based protocols
17:35:48 [hazmat]
damm, xchat.
17:36:04 [davb]
hazmat: use a B
17:36:08 [hazmat]
B SASL - Simple Authentication and Security Layer, a method for adding authentication support to connection-based protocols
17:36:34 [davb]
B: SASL - Simple Authentication and Security Layer, a method for adding authentication support to connection-based protocols
17:36:35 [chump]
commented item B
17:36:37 [davb]
:)
17:36:45 [hazmat]
thanks davb
17:36:54 [davb]
I turn that off (nick autocompletion) its super annoying with chump.
17:37:08 [rbm]
I actually have only been using cyrus' pop3d, not the imapd. harden-servers (debian package) conflicts with cyrus-imapd, so that worries me
17:37:54 [rbm]
brb
17:42:54 [davb]
installing windows updates, I might disappear :)
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17:49:01 [rbm]
there he goes
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18:09:02 [rbm]
moo davb
18:09:56 [Psychephylax]
moo
18:10:15 [Psychephylax]
bbl
18:10:24 [davb]
hi
18:10:45 [davb]
i finally defeated Quicktime and expunged it from the system tray :)
18:27:02 [rbm]
davb: What version of windows?
18:27:14 [rbm]
any mac users here?
18:27:22 [davb]
98 SE
18:27:34 [davb]
I might go to 2000, or get a Mac.
18:27:43 [rbm]
why get a mac?
18:27:44 [davb]
I wish for OS X for x86.
18:27:54 [rbm]
davb: It'll never happen
18:46:51 [davb]
darnies
18:46:58 [davb]
its a nice dream though.
18:48:48 [rbm]
How can you stand using Win98
18:48:52 [rbm]
s/$/?/
18:54:06 [miguel]
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18:54:19 [miguel]
hi guys!!!
18:54:31 [davb]
I just use Mozilla.
18:54:39 [davb]
I really don't use it for much, just games.
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18:54:58 [davb]
hi miguel
18:55:12 [miguel]
hi dave
18:55:13 [miguel]
hi roberto
18:55:19 [davb]
I need to get back to linux and start working on OpenACS 4 again :)
18:55:32 [miguel]
i taked with my coordinator about your sugggestion
18:55:48 [miguel]
of starting right away with OACS 4
18:57:03 [miguel]
and he says that OACS 4.x is an incomplete port of of ACS 4
18:57:34 [miguel]
that only OACS 3.x has all packages ready to use
18:57:58 [miguel]
also he adds that there are only web sites developed using ACS 4.x but not with OACS 4.x
18:58:57 [davb]
He has it backwards.
18:59:19 [miguel]
backwards?
18:59:21 [davb]
OpenACS is much more finished than ACS 4 ever was. And I think there are sites using it now.
19:00:25 [rbm]
miguel: davb is right. Your coordinator is very misinformed.
19:00:52 [rbm]
miguel: Check openacs.museatech.net for an OACS 4 site
19:00:58 [davb]
BTW, chatzilla is pretty cool.
19:01:03 [rbm]
(that I know of, I'm sure there are others)
19:01:23 [rbm]
miguel: Also etp.museatech.net
19:02:18 [miguel]
BTW ? chatzilla could you give me whole url?
19:02:35 [davb]
its part of Mozilla.
19:02:47 [miguel]
he says that there are packages missing in OACS 4.x
19:02:50 [davb]
http://www.mozilla.org
19:02:51 [chump]
C: http://www.mozilla.org from davb
19:03:06 [miguel]
he thinks that i should remain using OACS 3.x because maybe in the future
19:03:21 [miguel]
our group will need to port some packages missing in version 4.x
19:03:33 [davb]
miguel: That is true, but everything from ACS/Tcl that existed is available for Oracle. Some packages are not ported to Postgresql.
19:04:02 [davb]
miguel: before thinking out that check with Don Baccus, there are people working on some of them.
19:04:54 [miguel]
working on what?
19:05:28 [miguel]
there is a group of us working on ACS 4.x so they think there must be one who knows really well version 3.x in the case
19:05:33 [rbm]
miguel: What packages will you need for your application?
19:05:49 [miguel]
of any need of porting packages
19:06:02 [rbm]
??
19:06:18 [miguel]
well i dont know, he didnt mention which ones
19:06:32 [miguel]
i presume he doesnt even know which ones could be missing
19:07:43 [miguel]
ok guys i will give you a general idea
19:07:52 [miguel]
i am the only one who is working with OACS
19:08:03 [miguel]
the rest of people is working with ACS 4.x
19:08:11 [rbm]
It would be a lot smarter to look at the packages that OACS 4 already has ported (a lot) and see if they fit your needs. Most likely all your current needs are met but the already-ported packages, but if there are any packages on 3.x that you need, port it to 4.x
19:08:49 [miguel]
well it seems he wants to do it the hard way
19:08:56 [miguel]
he wants me to learn
19:09:05 [miguel]
OACS 3.x
19:09:14 [rbm]
miguel: I think that you should post your questions to the bboards to get more opinions, since obviously ours is not sufficing.
19:09:26 [miguel]
and when they will migrate from ACS 4.x to OACS 4.x if they have problems with some packages
19:09:40 [miguel]
they will port them from OACS 3.x
19:10:11 [miguel]
your opinion is really valuable for me. Really guys
19:10:41 [miguel]
its just that i want to give reasons to my coordinator
19:10:53 [miguel]
to work directly with OACS 4.x
19:11:10 [miguel]
he says that OACS 4.x even doesnt currently work with Oracle and PG
19:11:33 [miguel]
he says literally: "he WILL work with PG and Oracle"
19:12:10 [miguel]
i hope you guys are not getting upset with my questions
19:12:25 [miguel]
it just that seems that what i have told him so far doesnt mean a thing for him
19:12:27 [rbm]
ACS 4 is the one that only works with Oracle. OACS 4 works with Oracle and PG
19:12:43 [miguel]
currently? not in the future?
19:12:54 [rbm]
Currently
19:13:02 [miguel]
all packages?
19:13:22 [rbm]
Not all packages have been ported, but the vast majority have.
19:13:25 [miguel]
how many packages could you say more or less are missing in OACS 4.x? do you have any idea
19:13:29 [miguel]
?
19:13:41 [miguel]
and you can use them all in PG?
19:13:44 [rbm]
miguel: Look on the CVS tree. You can answer that question by yourself.
19:14:02 [miguel]
could you give me that url please
19:14:02 [miguel]
?
19:14:22 [rbm]
No. It's not a URL. It's a CVS repository. You need CVS to look at it.
19:15:25 [miguel]
the CVS of the openacs.org ?
19:15:39 [miguel]
sorry i am not familiar with CVS
19:16:57 [rbm]
brb. rebooting our server.
19:25:33 [davb]
IMAP mail in Mozilla is still not 100%
19:31:38 [rbm]
miguel: Have you looked at the OACS 4 status document?
19:32:00 [miguel]
no i am trying to connect to the server
19:32:13 [miguel]
i dont want to keep on annoying with my newbie questions :)
19:33:54 [miguel]
i dont know why but the connection to the openacs server is really slow today
19:38:25 [rbm]
It is indeed
19:39:06 [miguel]
ok :)
19:46:39 [miguel]
where could i get that status document? in the CVS tree?
19:47:35 [rbm]
miguel: You need to start browsing through the openacs.org website. There's a link right at the top of all pages saying "OpenACS 4.x". From there you can find the link to the status documents
19:47:50 [rbm]
Notice that the status document is most likely not super-duper-up-to-date
19:48:31 [miguel]
ok ;)
19:48:45 [miguel]
i am actually trying to browse the openacs
19:48:49 [rbm]
From the /4/ pages you can also browse the CVS archives (I had forgotten about that)
19:50:28 [davb]
bbl
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20:11:22 [miguel]
roberto i have been reading the status doc
20:11:39 [miguel]
and i dont understand it very well, all the core modules are still on the testing phase?
20:12:02 [rbm]
That means that we haven't released it yet. That's all.
20:12:32 [rbm]
miguel: You should just install OACS 4 and see for yourself if it's stable enough for you or not.
20:12:49 [miguel]
ok i think i will do it
20:13:02 [miguel]
by the way i just want to work on the part of bboard
20:13:14 [miguel]
i want to have my own forum for my small intranet
20:13:36 [rbm]
Some significant improvements were made in bboard lately
20:14:04 [miguel]
like which ones?
20:14:30 [miguel]
anyway i just have to grab the latest nightly tarball of the CVS to install OACS 4.x?
20:25:06 [rbm]
miguel: Read the install doc from openacs.org/4/
21:08:06 [miguel]
ok
21:08:45 [miguel]
roberto i just want to tell you that i believe you when you say that it should be better
21:08:52 [miguel]
to work with version 4.x
21:08:59 [miguel]
but my coordinator doesnt
21:09:31 [rbm]
that's fine
21:09:55 [miguel]
it really freeks me out that i will have to work twice, just because he is misinformed
21:11:29 [miguel]
anyway i just want to comment you that i will just work with PG. Its that not a problem for instance for using the bboards in version 4.x?
21:12:34 [rbm]
no
21:13:08 [rbm]
openacs.museatech.net uses bboard with PG
21:14:15 [miguel]
ok i guess that i will have to learn version 3.x as well at the same time as version 4.x just because my coordinator wants me to remain working with 3.x
21:14:36 [miguel]
but i will also develop the bboard with version 4.x
21:15:03 [miguel]
anyway ive got his email, if something goes wrong i will send him back his email
21:15:27 [miguel]
and also the today´s log
21:19:56 [miguel]
whats that museatech site for?
21:27:16 [rbm]
This is the site that will become openacs.org in the near future
21:28:29 [miguel]
ok
21:28:30 [miguel]
i see
21:28:50 [miguel]
openacs.org now it works using openacs v 3.x?
21:37:13 [rbm]
yes
21:37:24 [rbm]
* rbm goes home to work on his second job
21:37:27 [rbm]
unmoo for now
21:38:14 [miguel]
ok see you then
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21:42:33 [miguel]
wb dave
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21:46:32 [davb]
Hi k2pts
21:46:50 [k2pts]
hey
21:47:34 [k2pts]
does anyone know what happened with the pg-7.2b4 bug?
21:48:29 [davb]
sorry, no.
21:49:21 [k2pts]
it's still not installing
21:49:25 [hazmat]
the recursive sql function one?
21:49:38 [hazmat]
i saw some of don's posts to pg-hackers
21:49:49 [hazmat]
it looked like it wasn't resolved.
21:51:04 [hazmat]
* hazmat digs through his mail archive
21:53:19 [hazmat]
looks like don posted two emails on the dec 17th regarding problems, no responses.
21:53:47 [k2pts]
yeah, i've seen that.
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4[12anlater4] 1where are you from?
22:10:51 [anlater]
italy
22:10:59 [miguel]
ok
22:11:05 [anlater]
and you?
22:11:12 [miguel]
you are not a guy in greenpeace are you?
22:11:16 [miguel]
from spain
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bienvenutto
22:11:28 [anlater]
no ciao
22:11:34 [anlater]
miguel
22:12:07 [miguel]
ok
22:12:18 [miguel]
what do you use openacs for?
22:13:08 [anlater]
... I like study openACS and I wish I use as work...
22:13:38 [anlater]
but I'hadn't success to convince someone to pay me to work
22:14:06 [anlater]
In the meantime my server use OACS 3.2.5
22:14:14 [miguel]
like me
22:14:15 [miguel]
ok
22:14:19 [anlater]
s/meantime/meanwhile/
22:14:31 [miguel]
so what do use for work?
22:15:00 [anlater]
I use perl, but not for web services
22:15:36 [anlater]
I'm working with a datawebhouse package
22:15:47 [miguel]
which one?
22:15:59 [anlater]
insight by accrue
22:16:06 [anlater]
so you know?
22:16:22 [anlater]
s/so/do/
22:16:23 [miguel]
never heard about it
22:16:37 [miguel]
can you give me any insight of it?
22:17:12 [anlater]
is a proprietary software. Use a snifferr (called collector)
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that keep all traffic via http
22:17:59 [anlater]
so all sites are not analized with weblogs
22:18:19 [anlater]
then use weblogs for that sites use https
22:18:47 [anlater]
all the data are loaded in a datawarehouse based on oracle
22:19:32 [anlater]
then insight have some applet that say you the visitors, visit, etc
22:19:34 [miguel]
so they track all the accesses?
22:20:11 [anlater]
the visits... I'm working for company that have more than one site
22:20:29 [miguel]
which is that company?
22:20:37 [anlater]
yes... the marketing offices uses it
22:20:48 [anlater]
omnitel-vodafone
22:21:28 [miguel]
ok vodafone its known here in spain
22:21:38 [miguel]
it used to be call airtel
22:21:48 [anlater]
what's your work?
22:31:32 [anlater]
I'm in truble w/ glibc somebody can address me some ducomentation to solve my problem: collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
22:32:46 [miguel]
i am still studying
22:32:52 [miguel]
i am learning OACS for my final project
22:33:42 [anlater]
well! where are you in spain?
22:38:16 [miguel]
salamanca
22:38:19 [miguel]
and u?
22:41:35 [anlater]
milan (nord of italy) although I come from sud (near Bari)
22:41:42 [miguel]
ok
22:41:52 [anlater]
where is salamanca?
22:42:29 [miguel]
3 hours north west of madrid
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22:52:13 [jim]
anlater: that error is a summary of the real error
22:52:42 [jim]
the real error is probably either duplicate identifier or undefined identifier
22:53:06 [jim]
more likely the latter
22:53:55 [jim]
which would imply something is missing... like a function call... in turn this would imply a library -could-be- missing
22:54:27 [anlater]
yes but i'm not able to identify wich library
22:54:38 [anlater]
for example
22:55:00 [anlater]
gcc gcam.o mainwindow.o videowindow.o menu.o config.o ../common/videodevice.o ../common/jpeg.o ../common/configdb.o `gtk-config --libs` -lSM -lX11 -L/usr/X11R6/lib -ljpeg -o gcam
22:55:14 [jim]
true. it's harder to know just upon the evidence of one missing identifier what is missing
22:56:19 [jim]
that -L/usr/X11R6/lib should be before `gtk-config --libs` -lSM -lX11
22:56:38 [anlater]
...
22:56:53 [jim]
or at least before -lX11
22:57:52 [jim]
do you understand why?
22:58:27 [jim]
hint: what is -l and -L
22:59:02 [anlater]
-L is the path of library
22:59:10 [jim]
yes
22:59:18 [anlater]
-l is the "name" of library?
22:59:37 [jim]
-l means "find and include this lib"
22:59:41 [anlater]
then gtk lib is upper then X11?
23:00:03 [jim]
see, that part I'm not as sure of
23:00:05 [jim]
but
23:00:15 [jim]
where is libX11.*?
23:00:21 [anlater]
but the same have success under other machine...
23:01:17 [anlater]
/usr/X11R6/lib/ /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/
23:02:07 [jim]
libc5?? old stuff :) are you building the app to run under libc5?
23:02:27 [anlater]
no
23:03:00 [jim]
if -yes-, then /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/ is the relevent path... otherwise /usr/X11R6/lib/ is
23:03:06 [anlater]
rpm -qf /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libX11.so.6
23:03:06 [anlater]
file /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libX11.so.6 is not owned by any package
23:03:23 [anlater]
no it is not rilevant
23:03:54 [anlater]
but maybe: /usr/i386-glibc21-linux/lib/
23:04:16 [anlater]
is rilevant.. then I have to change the path?
23:04:38 [jim]
now... since gcc's -L and -I have their effect depending on the -position- of the parameter, then the question becomes:
23:05:02 [jim]
how will the linker find -lX11?
23:05:20 [jim]
it will, in one of two ways:
23:05:21 [anlater]
under ld.so.conf!
23:05:41 [anlater]
so I should change even ld.so.conf ...
23:06:05 [jim]
either it is from some default path (such as from the specs or from ld.so.conf or from LD_LIBRARY_PATH)
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OR
23:06:41 [jim]
you must -first- (i.e., more to the left) put a -L telling it where to look
23:06:57 [anlater]
yes, already do it
23:07:29 [anlater]
but having others error: /usr/lib/libglib.so: undefined reference to `getpwuid_r@GLIBC_2.1.2'
23:07:40 [anlater]
so I'm changing ld-so.conf
23:08:09 [jim]
so now the gcc command line has -L/usr/lib/X11 before -lX11?
23:08:48 [davb]
http://toursst.sourceforge.net/
23:08:48 [chump]
D: http://toursst.sourceforge.net/ from davb
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D:|TouRSSt
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titled item D
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D: deliver RSS news to a Maildir
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commented item D
23:09:15 [anlater]
yes but -L/usr/i386-glibc21-linux/lib/
23:10:00 [jim]
anlater: that will probably work fine... however... to duplicate your results on another machine would require root on that machine
23:11:03 [jim]
if you have root, then your question becomes "do I want to change this forever?" and "what are the unseen implications of doing it?"
23:11:35 [jim]
if you don't have root, you don't have a choice except to ask the person who does
23:11:55 [jim]
if that's ok with you, no problemo :)
23:12:06 [anlater]
yes I want because I encounter the same problem if I want recompile kernel using make xconfig
23:12:21 [anlater]
:)
23:13:11 [jim]
then something is somewhat weird with your lib paths... again, if you can live with that, np
23:13:11 [anlater]
but should be better to link the right path for X11.
23:13:29 [jim]
well, then your build will work on more machines
23:13:35 [jim]
and
23:13:45 [jim]
your build will run if you're not root
23:14:46 [anlater]
bad news.. don't work
23:15:29 [jim]
we've discussed somewhere between 2 and 10 ways to do this...
23:15:36 [jim]
what don't work?
23:16:35 [jim]
* jim has a small suspicion that you upgrade libraries a lot...
23:17:05 [jim]
doing such upgrades has implications to consider :)
23:17:33 [jim]
less often but more effect, on your runtime env
23:18:00 [jim]
more often, but just affects compiling, on your toolchain
23:18:39 [anlater]
ok
23:19:55 [jim]
when I look at a toolchain, I consider: the compiler, the binary utilities, the base libs (especially libc)
23:20:09 [jim]
they must be in sync
23:21:06 [anlater]
they should be, they come from the same distribuition
23:21:32 [jim]
(the compiler uses libc to run... uses the binary utilities to do assemblies and links... uses the dev part of libc to link the code against)
23:21:50 [jim]
ok, what about libs
23:23:10 [jim]
when was the last time you upgraded libc, without at least considering gcc and binutils? if -never-, things should work most of the time, and this might not be a problem tracable to version skew amongst the toolchain
23:24:29 [anlater]
in front of this problem i should say never
23:24:48 [jim]
ok, then the problem shouldn't be your toolchain
23:24:57 [jim]
try make clean ; make
23:25:53 [anlater]
Isame result
23:25:57 [jim]
then, if the sanme thing happens, show the same gcc line as before
23:26:19 [anlater]
gcc gcam.o mainwindow.o videowindow.o menu.o config.o ../common/videodevice.o ../common/jpeg.o ../common/configdb.o `gtk-config --libs` -lSM -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 -ljpeg -o gcam
23:27:09 [jim]
ok, try moving -L/usr/X11R6/lib before `gtk-config --libs`
23:27:35 [jim]
in fact... try cding to the dir where those .o files are
23:27:50 [jim]
and run just that one gcc with the order change in the command line
23:28:08 [jim]
that should tell you quicker what needs what
23:28:26 [jim]
if still a problem, I need to see the error message
23:28:44 [anlater]
gcc gcam.o mainwindow.o videowindow.o menu.o config.o ../common/videodevice.o ../common/jpeg.o ../common/configdb.o -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lX11 `gtk-config --libs` -lSM -lX11 -ljpeg -o gcam
23:28:45 [anlater]
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `_dl_clktck@GLIBC_2.2'
23:28:45 [anlater]
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `_dl_debug_mask@GLIBC_2.2.3'
23:28:45 [anlater]
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `_dl_init_all_dirs@GLIBC_2.2'
23:28:45 [anlater]
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `_dl_debug_printf@GLIBC_2.2.3'
23:28:46 [anlater]
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `_dl_all_dirs@GLIBC_2.2'
23:28:49 [anlater]
/lib/libc.so.6: undefined reference to `_dl_pagesize@GLIBC_2.2'
23:28:51 [anlater]
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
23:29:10 [jim]
you seem to have -many- glibcs
23:29:26 [jim]
try this...
23:29:36 [jim]
make distclean
23:29:40 [jim]
./configure
23:29:41 [jim]
make
23:30:46 [anlater]
the Makefile is not so advanced. However you are right
23:31:13 [jim]
there's no configure?
23:31:13 [anlater]
I see libc.so.6 in /lib/i686/ and in /lib
23:31:21 [anlater]
no
23:31:35 [jim]
hmm, not sure what's up
23:32:02 [jim]
* jim is stumpped...
23:32:23 [anlater]
ok, under alsa-driver, configure give same error
23:32:53 [jim]
hmmm
23:33:11 [jim]
what dist are you running?
23:33:26 [anlater]
rh-7.2
23:36:43 [jim]
I'm almost clueless for redhat... some people say it's fine, others say the toolchain is usually broken (the controvercial decision by redhat to provide a development snapshot of gcc and claim it is stable has reflected badly both on redhat (mostly) and the gcc team (to a small degree... but they didn't force redhat to release the snapshot)
23:38:22 [jim]
who usually complain when a snapshot is used, but there's nothing legally they can do, given the code is GPLed
23:38:29 [jim]
)
23:39:02 [rbm]
I have no problems compiling ALSA on Debian
23:39:02 [rbm]
Did you read the README?
23:39:10 [jim]
rbm: same here :)
23:39:19 [rbm]
* rbm reads the backlog to get some context
23:40:00 [rbm]
ALSA rocks BTW
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23:46:52 [jim]
(this is as it should be... the kernel should be independent of all userland, which libs are)
23:47:11 [anlater]
rbm: the error occur many times, for example with alsa-driver
23:48:10 [anlater]
time ago I was not able to compile aolserver... but solution was to rm the link under /usr/lib(libc.so.6
23:48:11 [jim]
might be an indication of a problem even more central than libc
23:48:24 [rbm]
anlater: Oh. Your distro is b0rken then.
23:48:33 [anlater]
exactly
23:48:45 [rbm]
You could upgrade to Debian :-)
23:48:53 [jim]
well, if he has the same distro on another box that works,
23:49:06 [jim]
it's not necessarily the distro, it'
23:49:12 [rbm]
jim: Probably he installed some RPM that messed everything up (my guess)
23:49:19 [jim]
s local to the particular installation
23:49:24 [rbm]
That's what I meant.
23:49:43 [anlater]
work fine on clean installation
23:49:44 [jim]
oh, ok...
23:50:19 [anlater]
the problem arise on a box where I had even a power failure problem and other
23:51:05 [jim]
anlater: so we can be mildly miffed at rh for being unstably annoying in a mild sort of way,, but that wouldn't be relevent to this problem :)
23:51:09 [anlater]
I think It's better to reinstall all.... upgrading to deb o clean rh
23:51:44 [jim]
remember to run what works best for you
23:52:00 [jim]
if that's rh because you know it better, use that
23:52:21 [jim]
you can always build your own toolchain
23:52:36 [jim]
no matter what dist
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