00:00:50 thanks 00:00:57 Works just like telnet 00:02:39 awsome 00:02:40 thanks 00:02:48 no problemo 00:03:02 And if you have an x-server you can actually run X apps remotely 00:03:31 thats cool 00:03:38 hmm 00:04:17 ? 00:04:25 nothing 00:04:37 i just think out loud sometimes... 00:04:49 it is cool that it can do that... 00:05:04 i'm just writing notes in my .plan file 00:05:36 i always have ideas, but i'm visiting with my family so i need to write them down from here. 00:06:22 Dave is frumple :P 00:06:56 heh 00:06:56 did you hear about my web page idea. 00:07:00 no 00:07:01 :) 00:07:05 Was busy screwing.... 00:07:09 i see. 00:07:10 ....cables into the modem jacks 00:07:13 ;) 00:07:13 haha 00:07:25 realy, did you hear? 00:07:30 no I did not hear 00:07:57 oh, well it is basicly just a community based web site like digitalcity.com 00:08:03 so not to clever 00:08:14 but i think it can be way better with OACS 00:08:54 and eventualy it would expand beond the point where it is just one network. 00:09:03 heh 00:09:05 have fun :) 00:09:17 and i have a million other ideas, that make it good. 00:09:44 and dave is apperantly doing something like this already, but with some other guy, and blah blah. 00:10:10 people always have comments like that... 00:10:17 it seems sarcastic. 00:10:22 they are like good luck... 00:10:27 have fun... 00:11:04 I dunno 00:11:13 i guess it's just not interesting :) 00:11:13 I'm not being sarcastic but it's a lot of shit to do 00:11:15 brb...dinner 00:12:14 I guess people don't realy take me seriously, or they have heard alot of people say simmilar things and not do them. 00:19:44 ...Or maybe people just arn't interested. I think the most interesting thing about the plan is that the web page will start as a tool to take imput from users, and then transform into a community based web page using a template. 00:21:23 second one 00:21:31 alot of people say simmilar things and not do them. 00:22:19 yeah 00:22:23 i can imagine :) 00:57:18 Psychephylax: what are you doing with OACS? 01:07:44 davb (~dave@alb-24-58-160-135.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 01:23:17 hi beattiek2, beattiek 01:30:47 hey dave 01:30:57 Howdy Psychephylax! 01:34:15 Dave, you play video games? 01:45:33 not much why? 01:48:39 hey dave 01:49:12 the beattiek is just my box being idle, i'm visiting family 01:50:01 aha :) 01:50:55 I've noticed i have ideas alot faster than i would be able to implement them :) 01:51:26 I find myself ssh'ing to my box when i'm supposed to be visiting family :) 01:52:15 Me too. 01:52:37 I use my weblog to keep track of them, or otherwise I email myself. 01:52:53 email yourself, thats kinda funny 01:53:07 i don't know why, but it is. 01:53:36 I just picture the old equivelent. writing down a note, and posting it to your house... 01:58:46 dave, if you go here: http://www.garvick.com/ it knows where you live, do you know what this page uses to know that? 01:59:15 It seems to be a low budget page, so i don't think they subscribe to an expensive service. 01:59:36 it does? I have links for vancouver. 01:59:38 :) 02:03:51 heh 02:03:55 Ever play Civ2? 02:04:27 A little. 02:04:33 never mind 02:04:37 that is funny 02:04:53 I have played it alot psy 02:05:00 Interesting. It looks like a US page, but it has just vancouver specific links and then everything else. 02:05:07 yeah 02:05:18 which made me think it was inteligent :P 02:05:24 since i live in vancouver. 02:06:01 :) 02:07:39 I think when i become a company, it will be in Hong Kong or some other country freer (economicly) than US/Canada. 02:08:17 hmm, or maybe just california if i need the capitol/assistance that the venture capitolists can give me. 02:10:29 alright, i'm out. see you guys later. 02:11:06 bye 02:21:00 Psychephylax: you are playing civ2? 02:21:29 I should try it one of these days. I kinda want to try the new empire earth. 02:24:54 Yeah 02:25:22 I should be programming something cool instead of playing games 02:33:10 heh 02:33:13 thats right. 02:33:46 Try contributing to FreeCiv, programming and games! 02:35:30 This is another cool idea: 02:35:32 http://elvin.dstc.edu.au/ 02:35:32 E: http://elvin.dstc.edu.au/ from davb 02:35:46 E:|Elvin - Content Based Messaging 02:35:47 titled item E 02:39:01 http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5101014,00.html?chkpt=zdnn_nbs_hl 02:39:02 F: http://www.zdnet.com/zdnn/stories/news/0,4586,5101014,00.html?chkpt=zdnn_nbs_hl from davb 02:39:12 F:|ZDNet Story about Psychephylax's speakers 02:39:13 titled item F 02:40:30 F: Dell honored the price until the stock ran out... 02:40:30 commented item F 03:08:21 bahy 03:08:25 I will puke 03:09:54 I go sleep 03:10:26 bye. 03:26:08 wait 03:26:09 you still here 03:26:12 * Psychephylax pokes dave 03:27:12 ? 03:27:16 Do me a favor 03:27:18 go here 03:28:26 ok 03:28:32 there yet? 03:29:28 yes 03:29:33 ok 03:29:38 see where it says Now from 1149$ 03:29:47 yep 03:29:58 Help me find this price ;) 03:30:08 heh. ok 03:30:10 I click next a few times and I somehow get to a price of 2100$ 03:31:09 You have to select all the lowest options. I got it. 03:31:24 Ok, navigate me 03:31:45 XP Home, Works instead of Office... 03:32:18 site not working 03:32:19 16M video 03:32:20 heh 03:32:26 You're hogging all of their bandwidth 03:32:33 heh 03:32:36 I think not. 03:32:53 here is my page, but I don't think it will work for you 03:33:23 866Mhz processor 03:33:33 14 inch display. 03:33:41 Those are the options I checked. 03:33:46 hold on 03:33:55 You killed the internet you monster! 03:34:10 I think dell found out its you.... 03:35:08 Psychephylax: check out this sometime 03:35:37 http://netaid.org 03:35:37 G: http://netaid.org from davb 03:36:20 G:|Help a non-profit org with your Geek powers 03:36:21 titled item G 03:36:33 G: NetAid.org 03:36:33 commented item G 03:37:02 Will netAid help me get a new laptop? 03:37:36 no. just a programming project or at least a web/db one. 03:38:36 G: might be a good way to get experience as a web nerd 03:38:36 commented item G 03:39:03 Psychephylax: I am going to look for a car that costs less than your laptop tomorrow :) 03:39:59 lol 03:40:41 One guy put a hood scoop and spoiler on a Olds Delta 88... 03:40:47 maybe I can get a picture :) 03:41:22 lol 03:41:59 What do you think of the laptop? 03:42:16 Is there much of a difference between a 15 inch laptop monitor and a 14 inch monitor? 03:42:19 Looks pretty good. Its better than my desktop machine. 03:42:23 i know 03:42:24 I think so yes. 03:42:28 same here 03:42:50 Also get more RAM (probably not from Dell though) 03:43:03 I'd like to buy a laptop that's < 1000$ but it's fairly usable 03:43:10 Tricky. 03:43:14 I know 03:43:16 Usable for? 03:43:16 But doable 03:43:21 compiling code 03:43:22 docwolf (docwolf@sdn-ar-001flflauP161.dialsprint.net) has joined #openacs 03:43:27 Running Office 03:43:30 Definitely spring for the RAM 03:43:37 REALY REALLY spring for the RAM 03:43:41 yeah I know 03:43:45 :) 03:43:56 It's the things like....Pentium 3 vs. Celeron 03:44:00 Docwolf you missed the Nazi reference yesterday. 03:44:01 15 inch vs. 14 inch 03:44:21 That was a P3 wasn;t it, even the 866Mhz one. 03:44:25 10 gig vs 20gig vs 60 gig 03:44:29 i know 03:44:31 Compiling doesn't need a big screen :) 03:44:35 hehe 03:44:41 Dont' forget looking at pron! 03:44:54 It has the external monitor hookup. 03:45:03 Right 03:45:28 Well, 15 vs 14 and P3 vs Celeron really make a big difference 03:46:05 in price. 03:46:38 "16:01:49 are they topic Nazis? 03:46:38 " 03:46:42 :) 03:47:06 right, in price 03:48:24 hi 03:48:35 a nazi reference? damn 03:48:52 referring to talli and rzolf no less. 03:48:58 wow! 03:49:45 damn it 03:49:55 I wish I could get no OS and no Works 03:50:00 That would save me another 100$ at least 03:50:22 that would be nice. 03:50:43 I wonder if they would sell me one like that 03:50:57 Psychephylax: nothing in the closeouts? 03:51:05 That's where I'm going next 03:51:08 Aha. 03:51:10 once dell.com starts working again 03:51:19 You think it's ok to buy a refurbished dell? 03:51:38 Sure, I think its ok for you to buy a refurbished dell. 03:51:40 :) 03:51:44 heh 03:51:46 not helping :P 03:51:58 What is your opinion of refurbished products anyhoo 03:52:07 Psychephylax: dell.com works ok for me. You have the "difficult customer cookie" 03:52:17 my primary machine 03:52:19 for the past year 03:52:23 has been a refurb 03:52:25 haven't you read "the book"? PhilG explained how to do it... 03:52:27 dell inspiron 8000 03:52:34 That's what I want 03:52:38 An Inspiron 8000 03:52:44 it is a great machine 03:52:52 a little heavy, but other than that 03:52:55 it's great. 03:52:55 docwolf yours has both a pointy stick and a touchpad, right? 03:53:00 yup 03:53:03 yeah 03:53:04 I want that! 03:53:05 lol 03:53:27 i saw it on another interns Inspiron 8000 and I was like...I want me THAT! 03:53:30 All latptops should come with built in support for logitech wireless mouse. 03:54:27 Psychephylax: the refurbs are more than the one you looked at !! 03:54:33 lol 03:54:45 P3-700 10GB harddriver $1355 03:54:59 wait, that has 256MB ram and CDRW... 03:54:59 WHAT!? 03:55:04 hehehehe 03:55:05 the deal with the refurbs 03:55:14 is that you've got to really look closely at what you are getting 03:55:23 there are some excellent deals 03:55:27 docwolf you know if all dell laptops have that combinations? 03:55:28 also, the big issue with the i8000 03:55:30 is the screen 03:55:38 many of the screens didn't work right 03:55:43 which is why they were returned 03:55:58 so.. when you take delivery of a dell refurb 03:56:01 look it over head to toe 03:56:11 and if something isn't right, use your onsite warranty to the fullest. 03:56:18 they will replace the entire screen 03:56:41 You seem to know lots...wanna help me find a good laptop? 03:56:50 I want to keep it under 1200$ 03:56:50 sure 03:56:53 ok 03:56:59 how much are the i8100's going for? 03:57:02 too much? 03:57:02 It's not a requirement that it's dell either 03:57:04 good luck. I have to sleep... 03:57:15 ok nite dave 03:57:16 dell laptops are nice b/c 03:57:21 l8r dave 03:57:28 bye 03:57:30 davb has quit ("I'm too lame to make a quit message") 03:57:36 dell refurbs have a 3 yr warranty 03:57:48 i want a basic laptop 03:57:51 nothing fancy 03:58:01 I would like to have a chance to at least try Linux on it 03:58:07 right 03:58:17 i have mandrake on my 8100 03:58:21 er, 8000 03:58:23 everything works 03:58:25 except the modem 03:58:30 And I want a monitor that I don't need a magnifying glass to see 03:58:44 i don't need no stinken modem :-D 03:58:56 hehe 03:59:06 what else can i tell you 03:59:10 the screen is tremendous 03:59:14 i have the 1400x1050 one 03:59:16 How big is it? 03:59:25 15.1" 03:59:44 they apparently had 2 manufacturers for the LCDs 03:59:48 IBM and samsung 03:59:54 the samsungs pretty much sucked 03:59:57 the IBMs were solid. 03:59:59 Heh 04:00:18 What speed is yours 04:00:25 how much did ya pay 04:00:26 PIII/800 04:00:33 honestly, i don't remember :-) 04:00:35 it was about a year ago 04:00:38 more than 1200$? 04:00:39 i think... 04:00:40 $1400 04:00:46 with 256 megs/32 gigs 04:01:12 damn 04:02:07 Do you know if all dell laptops have both types of pointing devices? 04:02:28 WTF 04:02:32 have prices gone _up_ ?! 04:02:37 something like that 04:02:42 they all should have both kinds of pointing devices 04:02:57 should != have 04:03:05 that isn't the best configuration i've seen 04:03:10 it's got the small screen 04:03:25 That's why i was looking at Inspiron 2100's and 4000's 04:04:30 can you get a used 8100? 04:04:58 i dunno, can I? 04:05:10 heh 04:05:10 i think I'll have to hold off until after the holidays 04:05:18 see if there any in stock 04:05:20 I think that's probably why the prices are high 04:05:25 yeah 04:05:42 again, weight is the only issue with these dells 04:05:46 it's like 11 lbs 04:05:56 that's ok, I need to lose weight 04:06:25 heh 04:06:43 the other thing is 04:06:48 make sure if you are getting 256megs 04:06:56 that it's all on -1- DIMM 04:07:00 so you'll have room to expand 04:07:26 righ 04:07:32 what's the deal with the screens? 04:07:51 TFT, XGA, SXGA 04:08:00 BLT, CNN, ABC :D 04:08:12 heh 04:08:28 XGA = 1400x1050 04:08:37 sxga = 1600x1200 04:09:06 I don't need sxga 04:09:21 I want to run it at about 1280x1024 @ 85hz & 32bit 04:09:27 well 04:09:28 here's the issue 04:09:38 you must run it at the screen's "native resolution" 04:09:41 UXGA 04:09:42 or else it looks horrible 04:09:48 because it does interpolatio 04:09:50 n 04:09:52 native? 04:09:56 right 04:10:01 so.. each LCD has a "native resolution' 04:10:13 like, my panel is stunning at 1400x1050 04:10:15 well, as long as I can run it at more than 1024x768 I'm happy 04:10:19 but anything else looks like total crap 04:10:44 that's just how these things work. 04:11:42 i also need a network card 04:11:52 the 8000 has a built-in LAN card 04:11:55 but you'll want a wireless 04:12:07 I don't need a wireless, I have no WAP 04:12:14 ok 04:12:23 the built-in ethernet is good. 04:12:26 works with linux, etc. 04:12:40 that is one of the advantages of going with dell 04:12:44 the machines are so common 04:12:51 that everyone has figured out how to get linux to work 04:13:12 also, 04:13:15 dell is somewhat brave 04:13:25 in that they have a "forum" set up on dell.com 04:13:30 where customers can scream at them 04:13:33 it's pretty wild. 04:13:33 hehehe 04:13:38 I don't need no stinken forum 04:13:47 I had to call those fuckers up about my speakers 04:13:50 I wasted 2 days 04:14:12 They kept bumpling me off to different departments until I snapped and yelled at some phone monkey 04:16:21 hmmm http://outlet.us.dell.com/Dispatcher?target=SpecPage&serviceTag=CNX4111&sessionID=2XX3RQ3FNGG10HB3HRVTAAA&tgtSeg=B 04:16:25 or 04:21:15 i wouldn't even mind having a P2 400 or 500 for like 350-400$ 04:21:26 ugh 04:21:27 that's slow 04:22:10 I use an Athlon 550 now 04:22:13 It's not THAT slow 04:22:33 i guess it depends on what you load on it :-) 04:22:53 Exactly 04:25:56 I'll wait after the holidays 04:26:04 That's when they'll get a lot of returns :) 04:26:14 mmm....inventory overstooock 04:33:55 aha 04:34:04 see, not all of them have the dual pointing device combo 04:34:15 3800 did not have it 04:34:18 hmm 04:36:12 does freebsd suck? 04:36:18 as a client machine? 04:36:43 You mean as a desktop/ 04:36:47 yeah 04:37:48 Depends on the hardware and what you look for in a desktop 04:37:57 something that is stable 04:38:02 that i can browse the web with 04:38:04 and use staroffice 04:38:05 oh it's stable alright 04:38:10 11:47PM up 150 days, 15 hrs, 1 user, load averages: 1.00, 1.00, 0.93 04:38:14 is that stable? ;) 04:38:16 wow 04:38:34 lol 04:38:39 it's got good networking device support, right? 04:38:44 yeah 04:39:11 My biggest complaint with my (former) BSD install as a desktop was my soundcard 04:39:19 it would just sometimes stop playing sounds 04:39:49 And if you use BSD through a KVM it kinda sucks because it forgets the mouse settings or something (fixable) 04:39:58 i see 04:40:00 well 04:40:03 this machine has no sound 04:40:43 then you have no problem now do you 04:40:46 :D 04:41:01 * Psychephylax goes to make his "Will code for laptop" sign 04:43:53 woohoo 04:44:03 Reserved my spot for a career conference in NYC 04:47:35 hmmm 04:47:43