00:35:01 loggy (~openacs-l@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 00:35:01 topic is: Cross-stitch for web nerds. http://openacs.org 00:35:01 Users on #OpenACS: loggy AaronSw til davb talli beattiek hazmat Psychephylax chump 00:35:01 [#OpenACS] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 00:35:06 Thanks!! 00:35:14 no prob 00:35:20 perhaps i should make a web interface for you guys ;-) 00:35:27 even better: perhaps you should ;-) 00:35:33 no really I should figure it out one of these days. 00:35:59 I swear it hates me. I have spent a few hours dorking around with it. it just never starts up without any error message. 00:36:12 Heh heh. 00:36:21 it's ok-- it's not exactly hard to kill the process 00:37:11 do you mind sharing your command line :)? 00:37:29 for what? 00:37:39 (sorry, got disconnected) 00:37:54 logger. 00:38:13 perl -w /usr/local/stuff/logger/logger -html -nick logster irc://irc.openprojects.net/swhack Swhack /web/blogspace/www/swhack/chatlogs/ http://blogspace.com/swhack/chatlogs/ 00:38:21 I must figure out this perl script !!!!! 00:38:22 :) 00:38:41 ok. I should be able to make it work with that... 00:38:51 I never used perl -w before... 00:40:06 davb, i'm at packages install and it is taking forever, any idea why? 00:40:18 it does take forever :) 00:40:35 okay good 00:41:28 yeah! an error message!! 00:41:52 Acs-kernel not installed. 00:41:59 that is bad right? 00:42:17 yeah. hmmm any more info? you might have to explore the server error log to get the real reason. 00:42:28 okay 00:42:39 so how is all in openacs land? 00:42:49 going slow 00:42:56 there is always a problem. 00:43:13 The project is moving forward, but the holidays are slowing down the last bits of the release especially the documentation. 00:43:25 hmm 00:43:31 to be expected 00:43:41 yes. 00:43:41 i came in here a while back and it seemed awfully quiet... 00:43:51 well vinod went on vacation on us... 00:44:22 how can I tell if my firewall (ipchains) is blocking port 6667? 00:44:41 actually it can't be... duh chump is on it... 00:44:56 but they both should be able to run right? 00:45:00 or am I dumb? 00:45:02 dav, where is the server log? 00:45:08 yeah, they should both run 00:45:17 beattiek try /usr/lib/aolserver/log 00:45:22 nope.. 00:45:29 that what i hoped 00:45:35 try /var/log/something 00:45:48 that is where it actually belongs anyway :) 00:46:23 any special user have to run logger? 00:46:52 I guess not... 00:47:01 does this look like it? 00:47:11 <---spam eminent---> 00:47:13 [11/Dec/2001:17:05:35][27397.1024][-main-] Error: conf: access(/var/www/homecity/www/errorpage.adp, R_OK) failed: No such file or directory 00:47:13 [11/Dec/2001:17:05:35][27397.1024][-main-] Error: conf: [ns/server/homecity/adp]errorpage reset to NULL 00:47:13 [11/Dec/2001:17:05:35][27397.1024][-main-] Error: conf: access(/var/www/homecity/www/startpage.inc, R_OK) failed: No such file or directory 00:47:13 [11/Dec/2001:17:05:35][27397.1024][-main-] Error: conf: [ns/server/homecity/adp]startpage reset to NULL 00:47:21 beattiek thats it. 00:47:37 hmmm 00:47:44 btw all you have to do it look in the server config file to find out where it is putting it :) (sorry I just though it that) 00:47:53 but I don't know what that error means. 00:48:14 well it means i'm missing two files, right? 00:49:07 wait a sec 00:49:11 those are old errors 00:49:25 11 Dec not 17 Dec 00:50:45 i better be off, c'yas 00:50:46 AaronSw has left #openacs 00:53:05 brb 00:53:15 beattiek: what's your document root set to? 00:53:34 brb 00:53:38 davb has quit () 00:53:45 i'm not sure 00:54:04 /usr/share/doc i think... 00:55:59 there should be a line "ns_param pageroot" somewhere 00:56:37 in the config file 00:56:54 s_param pageroot $pageroot 00:56:57 that? 00:57:21 yeah ... ok, look further up, what is the variable $pageroot being set to? 00:58:04 (cool thing about this config file: you can just execute any tcl code you want, including simplifiyng your life or making it more complicated with variables) 00:58:10 /var/www/${server}/www 00:58:48 so /var/www/homecity/www computed. 01:01:02 and that exists, right? 01:02:24 yes 01:02:27 :P 01:02:50 ok, that would have been too easy ;-) 01:02:57 yeah 01:03:05 but as i mentioned, the files are not there. 01:03:09 some are 01:03:11 do you have a "ns_param startpage" in your config file? 01:03:32 comment that out 01:03:33 no... 01:04:27 i don't have it. 01:04:40 the error was from OACS congiuring modules 01:05:08 and it was not a current one 01:05:16 oh yes, sorry 01:05:22 np 01:05:34 so what's the current error then? 01:05:37 i still haven't located it 01:05:44 thats the current problem 01:06:08 i am running updatedb 01:06:34 you are looking for the error log? 01:06:49 yes 01:07:05 look for "ns_param serverlog" in the config file 01:07:34 that would be the problem 01:08:00 i have this: 01:08:01 ns_param nslog nslog.so 01:08:07 but not that. 01:08:22 nslog is only the access log, the server log is sth different 01:09:47 strange ... where is this config file from? well, just enter a meaningful file location and make sure that is writable for the aolserver process 01:09:50 so ns_param serverlog /var/log/aolserver.log 01:09:57 y 01:10:12 It is a ACS 3 config file 01:12:21 i meant ns_param serverlog /var/log/aolserver 01:13:05 in my config file it includes the filename: "ns_param ServerLog /var/log/aolserver/server.${servername}.log" 01:13:05 should this be under ns_section "ns/server/${server}/module/nslog" 01:13:25 no, here: "ns_section "ns/parameters"" 01:16:50 where did you get the config file from? 01:17:34 i think i took that one from the aolserver source distribution and modified it according to the instructions of the openacs doc 01:17:41 Error: Error sourcing /var/www/homecity/packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/installer/packages-install.tcl: 01:18:08 psql:acs-install.sql:247: ERROR: apm_packages_package_key_fk referential integrity violation - key referenced from apm_packages not found in 01:18:08 apm_package_types 01:18:08 psql:acs-install.sql:254: ERROR: ExecAppend: Fail to add null value in not null attribute object_id 01:20:14 i missed this: env: write error: Broken pipe 01:21:02 is this happening on a freshly created database? 01:22:10 not any more 01:22:17 i mean, it was fresh 01:22:33 then i ran the OACS config. 01:22:44 it had an error and then i did it again 01:22:55 this is the second error 01:24:56 with OACS config you mean pushing the "install" button or whatever it is called? if yes then you should better try to do dropdb and creatdb again 01:25:40 okay 01:25:53 and don't forget to do createlang 01:26:14 if you did not executed it on the template1 db before 01:26:23 ? 01:27:52 well i am installing the data model again 01:27:59 http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0001YU&topic_id=12&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design 01:28:00 D: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0001YU&topic_id=12&topic=OpenACS%204%2e0%20Design from til 01:31:21 it seems to be doing better now 01:31:37 did you do createlang? 01:31:50 nope 01:32:44 it is working fine, should i do it? 01:33:25 well, at least some time ago it was essential 01:33:40 try how far you get 01:33:52 createlang: 'plpgsql' is already installed in database template1 01:33:58 page 3 or 4 01:34:00 perfect! 01:34:07 OpenACS Installation: Create Administrator 01:34:18 i'm so happy 01:34:34 :-) 01:34:35 one day it may actualy be a web site! 01:37:19 hmm 01:40:01 davb (dave@alb-24-58-160-135.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:40:12 hey dave 01:41:05 hi. 01:41:47 i got it working 01:41:50 cool! 01:42:43 was it an error in the server config file? 01:42:54 soon i will be able to take over the world right? (yeah) 01:43:06 right! 01:43:06 that _is_ what the OACS does right? 01:43:11 okay good 01:43:13 talli has quit ("See ya!") 01:43:17 just checking 01:43:40 YOu need the evil module though... and it only runs on oracle :) 01:43:50 damn 01:43:56 thats too expensive 01:44:08 i will settle for the good module for now 01:44:22 damn PGSQL 01:44:24 :P 01:45:21 okay so i still need to install packages 01:58:36 argh is the internet broken or just me? 01:58:46 I can't get to alot of web sites.... 01:59:41 beattiek: how is package install going? 02:06:27 going back to the light side... 02:06:30 davb has quit () 02:09:24 gah 02:09:32 I don't use Unix and it breaks 02:09:34 That's a first 02:10:52 davb (~dave@alb-24-58-160-135.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 02:12:04 hmmm dns is OK 02:12:56 ok... 02:15:22 this explains it: Every page made by our software was generated by a program written 02:15:22 in Rtml. We called these programs templates to make them less 02:15:22 frightening, but they were real programs. In fact, they were Lisp 02:15:22 programs. Rtml was a combination of macros and the built-in Lisp 02:15:22 operators. 02:15:38 a quote from the creator of ViaWeb which became Yahoo store. 02:16:34 Eventually we made it our goal 02:16:34 that no one should ever have to use Rtml. 02:16:43 so there is no documentation :( 02:19:39 davb: I havn't started yet, i'm celebrating 02:26:14 excellent. excuse my little rant re: Yahoo Store 02:47:30 til has quit ("Download Gaim [http://gaim.sourceforge.net/]") 02:49:11 talli (talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 02:49:15 talli has quit (Remote closed the connection) 03:06:54 Psychephylax has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:10:23 Psychephylax (proxy@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #OpenACS 03:29:03 davb has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:29:03 chump has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:29:03 Psychephylax has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:29:58 Psychephylax (proxy@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #OpenACS 03:29:58 chump (~chump@alb-24-58-160-41.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 03:29:58 davb (~dave@alb-24-58-160-135.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 03:30:15 [#OpenACS] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 03:30:18 davb has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:30:18 chump has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 03:34:11 davb (~dave@alb-24-58-160-135.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 03:34:11 chump (~chump@alb-24-58-160-41.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 03:45:12 now to record some CDs 03:45:55 Psychephylax: do you know if I can do CDROM -> CDR direct in linux? 04:09:41 nm 04:09:42 later 04:09:47 davb has quit ("I'm too lame to make a quit message") 05:09:26 chump has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 05:10:27 chump (~chump@alb-24-58-160-41.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 05:11:39 hmm? 08:26:39 miguel (~miguel25@cancerbero.unileon.es) has joined #openacs 08:29:39 miguel has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 08:35:46 miguel (~miguel25@cancerbero.unileon.es) has joined #openacs 08:37:10 hi guys!! 08:40:10 miguel has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 09:08:56 miguel (~miguel25@cancerbero.unileon.es) has joined #openacs 09:10:14 hi guys!!! 09:28:47 miguel has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 09:32:59 miguel (~miguel25@cancerbero.unileon.es) has joined #openacs 09:36:01 hi guys! 12:16:02 miguel has quit (Ping timeout: 180 seconds) 12:18:54 [#OpenACS] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 12:31:08 miguel (~miguel25@cancerbero.unileon.es) has joined #openacs 12:35:54 hi guys!!1 13:25:54 miguel has quit () 13:44:15 davb (~dave@208.136.23.203) has joined #openacs 13:56:31 chump has quit (Remote closed the connection) 13:57:17 chump (~chump@alb-24-58-160-41.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 14:08:39 I wonder if only one logger can attend... 15:17:01 davb has quit () 15:29:16 davb (~dave@208.136.23.203) has joined #openacs 15:48:43 miguel (~miguel25@cancerbero.unileon.es) has joined #openacs 15:48:49 hi guys!!! 15:49:29 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 15:49:42 hi. 15:50:31 hi ola and miguel 15:50:52 davb: I found a bug in static-pages-procs.tcl... 15:51:25 static_pages_regexp needs to escape two backslashes 15:51:59 yipee! 15:52:10 I gotta get you CVS access :) 15:52:15 what? :-) 15:52:22 cool 15:52:31 Its always good when you can fix something. 15:52:47 That is kinda weird, I never messed with those, that is a leftover from aD. 15:53:22 nope. a leftover from ME. :-( 15:53:33 heh 15:53:45 ok, send me a patch for now. 15:53:53 You have an account at Openacs.org for CVS right? 15:54:06 yes I do. 15:54:24 cool. I'll just ask Don to add you to /static-pages 15:55:49 thanks dave. in that case I can commit to cvs myself... 15:56:01 wohoo! 15:56:25 ok. i emailed donb. 15:56:43 oops. I hope he knows your username, I didn't send it :) 15:57:02 lemme know what he says, ok? 15:57:07 np. 15:57:17 he knows it:-) 15:58:37 cool. 16:02:53 You know what strikes me as amazing?? The visual basic editor can do all kinds of fancy stuff, guess what command you are typing etc... but it does not autoindent if, do , etc... 16:03:15 I mean come on, it has all these incredible features, but you have to tab/backspace to line up your code!! 16:03:46 he he he 16:03:59 what did you expect? 16:04:02 once you hit tab, it lines up all lines to that tabstop until you hit tab or backspace again. all the other timesaving features are wasted! 16:04:17 Well, I use emacs, so I exepcted it to work :) silly of me. 16:04:57 try visual c++, you will know something good ;) 16:05:03 (just been ironic ;) ) 16:05:09 lol 16:05:11 heh 16:05:42 I wonder if there is a Visual Basic for Access mode for emacs?? :) 16:07:10 you mean that you want to use emacs for using Access (the dbase) ? 16:07:44 sure why not :) I am sure it could be done. 16:07:52 Just to edit the VB code. 16:08:41 Actually I'd rather not use Access at all, but that is not my choice to make :( 16:08:42 how? i am getting lost, there is any open sourced VB? 16:09:13 woooohoooo 16:09:32 Hola ola! greetings dave :) 16:09:45 hey Psychephylax 16:09:49 miguel nope. 16:09:50 http://lists.debian.org/debian-jr/2001/debian-jr-200105/msg00019.html 16:09:51 A: http://lists.debian.org/debian-jr/2001/debian-jr-200105/msg00019.html from davb 16:10:06 A:|Mailing list post that mentions VB mode for emacs, but the link is broken :( 16:10:07 titled item A 16:11:00 ok didnt know. you mean just editing VB code with emacs and then port it to your windows box (or are u using emacs under windows?) 16:11:34 I have emacs for windows too :) 16:11:35 http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~skx/win/NTEmacsFAQ/NTEmacs-split218.html 16:11:36 B: http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~skx/win/NTEmacsFAQ/NTEmacs-split218.html from davb 16:11:39 ok 16:11:45 B:|Two links to VB mode for emacs!! :) 16:11:46 titled item B 16:12:14 he he he so u just got it!! 16:13:02 I have to go do the modem inventory now 16:13:07 that should take me a while 16:13:07 are you using Visual Basic? why dont you switch over C++ Builder? Its a lot better 16:13:48 Its inside Access. We don't actually own VB. 16:15:14 then you mean Access Basic? 16:15:41 Yeah, its Visual Basic for Applications/Access. 16:16:47 ok 16:16:56 davb has changed the topic to: Topic? What Topic? http://openacs.org 16:17:43 i have used c++ builder for a while and it is quite good, much better than Visual Basic. I have developed some Dbase applications to work with PostgreSQL and works fine 16:18:18 great! 16:18:24 there is a driver for Borland compilers (Delphi, Kylix - Delphi in linux, C++ Builder) to access 16:18:33 PostgreSQL 16:18:44 and it is very easy to use 16:19:04 its powerful as C++ and the use of APIs (which are in C) 16:19:28 and very easy for developing interfaces very fast 16:19:32 sorry for the off-topic 16:20:21 heh np, we are always off topic :) 16:20:33 he he he 16:21:00 i just wanted to give you some tips, maybe you never heard about c++ builder or that you could use it with PG 16:22:31 but some people say that the future will be .NET 16:22:47 i have to read these Xmas something about it, i dont want to get lost 16:24:13 thanks. If you program for windows, you will need to learn .NET 16:24:46 Of course, Python, Tcl, Perl, Ruby, etc... all run on Windows. 16:26:17 I would like to know much about programming with widgets and work with Kylix but if you want to make money in this world you need to know how to program applications in Windows (although you use linux as servers ;) ) 16:27:46 sorry i should have written (much more and not only much) sorry for my english ;) 16:28:03 np at all. 16:28:04 :) 16:29:00 over here people use windows a lot, at least customers, however universities embraced linux 16:29:13 (low budgets) 16:29:37 of course. We have to budget, but they are not interested in non-MS solutions. 16:29:43 s/to/no 16:31:52 who? your company? 16:32:08 I work for a small New York State goverment agency. 16:32:28 I do OpenACS on the side. 16:32:37 He works for the CIA 16:32:44 heh, not even close. 16:33:04 it's more like, if I told you, you would be bored to death. 16:33:21 Actually 16:34:17 not really 16:36:42 We enforce the Taylor law which is the law allowing public employees to unionize, and sets the rules for resolving disputes in bargaining relationships, representation of public employees etc... 16:37:11 ack 16:38:02 i am spanish, so i dont know very much about US laws 16:38:25 thats ok most americans don't know very much about US laws either :) 16:40:20 As I was saying 16:40:32 US laws let employees to unionize? after watching Hoffa i thought that unions in the US have not very much power ;) just kidding 16:40:36 Dave is the guy they send out when the local farmers need to count their sheep 16:40:43 Psychephylax: heh 16:40:45 lol 16:41:38 This is for civil servants. Until 1969 they were not allowed to unionize. Now they can, but it is illegal for them to go on strike, hence the mission of our agency to help resolve disputes. 16:42:23 You mean count the sheep 16:42:36 "Farmer Bob stole my sheep" 16:42:37 and if you are not a civil servant then you can go on strike? 16:42:43 Quick, send out Counter Dave 16:42:48 or unionize? 16:42:53 Basically. 16:43:24 over here, civil servants are the very first ones that go on strike ;) 16:43:38 and the unions are much stronger among them 16:43:41 aha. 16:43:54 http://www.devhood.com/tutorials/tutorial_details.aspx?tutorial_id=19 16:43:55 C: http://www.devhood.com/tutorials/tutorial_details.aspx?tutorial_id=19 from Psychephylax 16:44:01 C:| they stole ACS 16:44:02 titled item C 16:44:07 C: Damn theives 16:44:08 commented item C 16:44:16 in fact, my mother is a teacher (public one) and she is working for a while for a teacher union 16:44:44 Yes we have alot of teachers! 16:45:20 anyway we have a conservative prime minister which means that you can cry out as much as you want but nobody cares in the gov 16:45:47 there is really a big fuss over here in the university, they want to change the law 16:46:38 It is a very big issue. 16:46:55 talli (talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 16:46:59 well, actually they changed without asking the responsibles, teachers and students, never see a teachers agreeing with students for going on a strike, but now... 16:47:04 hey guys 16:47:05 hi talli 16:47:10 C: Hey! He gives credit to the original Psets in the Copyright/Credit section 16:47:10 commented item C 16:47:20 hi talli 16:47:20 have you heard anything out there about that? 16:47:40 that's funny though 16:47:47 Psychephylax: yes 16:48:04 Psychephylax: we need Psets for OpenACS/PG hackers now. 16:48:12 heh 16:48:15 phew, good thing RBM didn't hear me say that. 16:48:15 * Psychephylax wanders off 16:49:12 davb: i am just starting off, but i am finishing off the pset 1 using OACS/PG 16:49:29 writting down the problems I had so far with the differences between PG and Oracle 16:49:37 and because i was using OACS 16:49:37 Excellent. 16:50:04 actually i am working now on the mini-project of pset 1 16:50:46 it took me 8 days to finish off pset1, because the differences that made me to look around in some books (of PG for instance) 16:51:32 my responsible thinks that it is too much 16:51:35 time 16:51:36 a great learning opportunity! :) 16:52:05 That is not too much time to learn a new system, database and finish the problem set I think. 16:52:13 Have you programmed Tcl before? 16:52:16 i knew a bit of linux, postgresql 16:52:19 no, just php 16:52:24 i had to learn first 16:52:49 also it took me two weeks to set up the whole system, thanks that ola helped me out 16:53:09 i just could set up from sources aolserver and PG, but didnt know very much about OACS 16:53:22 and how to debug the errors of Aolserver 16:53:50 I'm sleepy 16:53:59 Psychephylax: its lunchtime! 16:54:09 naptime is later. 16:54:23