IRC log of openacs on 2001-12-11

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00:44:48 [adler]

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cheers

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01:38:46 [markd2]

* markd2 hides beind a fern

01:42:46 [davb]

Hi markd2

01:43:01 [davb]

http://www.leglamps.com

01:43:02 [chump]

B: http://www.leglamps.com from davb

01:43:10 [davb]

B:|www.leglamps.com

01:43:10 [chump]

titled item B

01:43:31 [davb]

B: if you can't figure out what it is from the URL, you don't need to know

01:43:31 [chump]

commented item B

01:47:07 [markd2]

heh. Fra-Geee-lay

01:47:18 [markd2]

I like the mailbox

01:48:02 [markd2]

I also like the list of keywords at the bottom

01:48:08 [markd2]

foot fetish, leg fetish, mailboxes

01:48:27 [davb]

that is ...... "curious"

01:48:41 [davb]

I guess they would find what they were looking for though

01:49:50 [markd2]

at least it didn'th ave things like "amputee midget women" or something

01:52:09 [davb]

http://www.davessurplus.com/leg_lamp.htm

01:52:09 [markd2]

* markd2 runs memtest-86 on his home linux box

01:52:09 [chump]

C: http://www.davessurplus.com/leg_lamp.htm from davb

01:52:12 [markd2]

it's been randomly locking up

01:52:17 [davb]

fun!

01:52:22 [markd2]

* markd2 detects a pattern in davb's links

01:52:32 [davb]

C:| Build your Own Leg Lamp

01:52:33 [chump]

titled item C

01:52:37 [davb]

thats it.

01:52:56 [davb]

My machine locks up in Windows, but Linux is super stable.

01:55:02 [markd2]

it's also running one processor short (since the cpu fan went out on one of the processors

01:55:09 [davb]

ouch.

02:03:36 [markd2]

oy. http://entertainment.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4459,3383815%5E10431%5E%5Enbv,00.html

02:05:34 [davb]

that is too much...

02:06:59 [davb]

time to defrag the disk, back in 3 days

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02:07:05 [markd2]

heh

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13:56:05 [ola]

Good morning Dave.

13:56:10 [davb]

Hello.

13:56:49 [ola]

I just fixed my car before the yearly inspection...

13:59:08 [davb]

thats good.

13:59:18 [ola]

ouch. I got all greasy:-)

13:59:37 [davb]

heh.

14:00:00 [davb]

Did you injure yourself? I have a history of sustaining some sort of injury every time I fix something.

14:00:02 [davb]

:)

14:03:16 [davb]

I didn't get a chance to look at static-pages last night, I had to run scandisk on my windows partition.

14:04:16 [ola]

as a matter of fact, I did not get injured. I'm quite amazed because I too usually get a trophee or two;-)

14:04:38 [ola]

np. take your time.

14:14:05 [ola]

cool. I set sort_mem to 6000 and shared_buffers to 400 in postgresql.conf and did a vacuum analyze. reloading /admin/site-map now takes less than half the time it used to take.

14:14:18 [davb]

cool.

14:14:29 [davb]

I think we need a doc on how to tune postgresql.

14:14:50 [ola]

dunno which operation had effect though. (doh!)

14:15:09 [ola]

for sure!

14:15:12 [davb]

heh

14:15:22 [davb]

only change one thing at a time :)

14:16:07 [davb]

do you know what the defaults are for those?

14:18:43 [davb]

shared-_buffers 128 in debian is the default

14:19:00 [davb]

sort_mem defaults to 512k

14:21:36 [ola]

shared_buffers is 2*max_connections, witch is 32 by default in the 7.1.3 source version, so 64kB. I can't remember what sort_mem was:-)...probably less than 100

14:25:51 [davb]

I am vacuuming my live databases. I don't think I ever did it before.

14:26:08 [ola]

Don recomended something like 2000 for both about two years ago, for a dev system and probably much more for a real site.

14:26:44 [ola]

you should do it every night;-)

14:27:04 [ola]

I don't do it either...

14:27:24 [davb]

2000 for sort_mem is 2 gigs (its in kilobytes) :)

14:27:53 [ola]

no kidding?

14:27:54 [davb]

hardly anything ever gets inserted in those dbs anyway.

14:27:57 [davb]

ola: yes.

14:28:25 [davb]

oh yeah, that would be 6 gigs with your settings...

14:28:50 [davb]

the shared_buffers are 8192 bytes each.

14:30:10 [ola]

ok. maybe I should read some kind of giude..

14:30:19 [ola]

I only have 512 MB

14:31:51 [davb]

on debian I read /usr/share/doc/postgresql/README.postgresql.conf I had to un-gzip it.

14:32:23 [davb]

wait 2000 is 2 megs, not 2 gigs, my math sucks.

14:32:25 [davb]

:)

14:40:39 [ola]

oh. my shared_buffers are 4000. not 400. (4000x16k=64MB). sort_mem is 6000 (6000x1k=6MB per backend) :-)

14:41:12 [ola]

is a "backend" a database or a postmaster?

14:41:16 [davb]

postmaster

14:41:22 [ola]

aha.

14:41:31 [davb]

are the shared_buffers shared across the postmasters?

14:41:57 [ola]

I'm not sure...

14:42:35 [davb]

davb has changed the topic to: Welcome to the fiddling with Postgresql.conf channel http://openacs.org

14:43:51 [ola]

hehehe

14:44:02 [davb]

if I am running nsvhr can I leave the address blank in the slave AOLservers? With a dynamic IP I don;t want to have to restart the servers if the IP address changes.

14:44:45 [davb]

uhoh, my OpenACS is broken :(

14:44:52 [davb]

I can't test the site map speed. time to CVS update

14:46:09 [ola]

I have set my slave addresses to 127.0.0.1 and that works well.

14:46:15 [davb]

looks like I have to reinstall the db.

14:46:19 [davb]

cool

14:46:33 [ola]

reinstall?

14:46:45 [davb]

127.0.0.1 cool :)

14:46:54 [ola]

:-)

14:48:52 [ola]

is psyche in a different time zone from you or is he just a sleepy bastard? :-)

14:49:50 [davb]

sleepy.

14:55:11 [ola]

davb, are you using a local cvs for your sites?

14:55:11 [davb]

its on my list of things to do :)

14:55:54 [davb]

When I convert to OpenACS 4 that is my plan to develop in CVS on one machine and then send it over to the production server.

14:55:57 [ola]

it's a drag when a new version of ACS comes out and you have to merge with your personal changes...

14:56:10 [davb]

Yes. That is the tricky part. You need to use the vendor tags etc...

14:56:33 [ola]

I think you should do another import

14:56:40 [davb]

Basically you want to wait for a release from OpenACS, then start with that.

14:56:46 [ola]

and then merge somehow

14:57:19 [ola]

well, I wanna start to work on my sites sometime :-)

14:57:27 [davb]

What I was doing is check out the OpenACS code into a directory. Then import that into my personal repository.

14:57:36 [davb]

with a vendor tag liek OpenACS-thedate

14:57:56 [davb]

then you cvs update the checkout directory and merge it into your personal repository.

14:58:19 [davb]

you check out the code from the peronsal repository onto the production server after testing.

14:58:35 [davb]

or something like that. That is the gist that I got from Ron Hendersons guide.

14:59:02 [davb]

Or that is the simplified version when you only have 1 developer. WHen you have a whole bunch its more complicated.

14:59:54 [davb]

my install keeps stalling at the Package installation. I think th eCVS is still broken.

15:01:18 [ola]

I actually us cvs myself but I have never tried to merge with a new ACS release yet... I use one reository per site and co TWO working copies, dev and prod (not staging).

15:01:25 [ola]

s/us/use

15:01:55 [davb]

right.

15:02:12 [davb]

ok. I should be doing it like you.

15:02:50 [davb]

if you merge the OpenACS.org code with your repository with a vendor tag, you can go back to a previous release when the new code breaks your system.

15:03:15 [davb]

that is why you need to use the tags so when you have a working copy you tag it so you can get back if you need to :)

15:04:03 [davb]

this is great. I learn more just rambling on into this IRC channel then I do just thinking about it.

15:04:07 [davb]

just ignore me :)

15:05:31 [ola]

so if I co code from openacs.org to a separate directory like you say, how do I merge? do I import the cvs-updated dir and THEN merge or what?

15:05:57 [ola]

cool dave, I feel in the same way!

15:07:59 [ola]

its probably in Ron's doc if I read it again for the n:th time;-)

15:08:59 [davb]

that is where i got it from. I think you do an import with a vendor release tag.

15:09:04 [davb]

Have you read the CVS book also?

15:09:16 [ola]

what book?

15:09:30 [ola]

guess not.

15:09:37 [davb]

http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/

15:09:43 [chump]

A: http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ from davb

15:09:48 [davb]

A:| The CVS Book

15:09:49 [chump]

titled item A

15:09:56 [davb]

A: the free chapters

15:09:57 [chump]

commented item A

15:10:53 [ola]

thanks, dave! in DocBook, what else;-)

15:12:15 [davb]

np

15:13:35 [ola]

hmmm.. I have this firewall but I still can't relax and stop thinking about security.

15:14:04 [ola]

Sean Y and Jon G gave some cool tips in a recent thread.

15:15:24 [ola]

like not ever using the root account and stuff like that...

15:16:00 [davb]

those are good tips.

15:16:27 [davb]

that is why I am leaning towards hosting with someone else.

15:16:36 [davb]

of course THEY have to be good at security.

15:16:41 [ola]

heh

15:16:57 [davb]

but its worth it to pay someone else.

15:17:04 [ola]

at least you have someone to yell at:-)

15:17:17 [davb]

right

15:23:45 [davb]

noone ever responded to my TclDAV email :( unless it was lost in the internet when my IP address changed...

15:24:37 [ola]

what's TclDAV and where did you send it?

15:26:38 [ola]

dave: I have never installed oracle. how long would it take me to install it on RH7.2, do you think?

15:28:28 [davb]

a couple of hours... I am not sure if you need to install the compatibility libraries but I think you do.

15:29:16 [davb]

TclDAV was an alleged implementation of WebDAV in Tcl. But the web site is not where the links all point to. I sent am email to the alleged creator.

15:29:22 [ola]

oh, it's that quick.

15:29:37 [davb]

Not too bad as long as you have plenty of RAM.

15:29:44 [davb]

and a fairly speed hard drive.

15:29:47 [ola]

ok

15:29:54 [davb]

If it works of course.

15:29:59 [ola]

heh

15:30:12 [davb]

I usually got 90% done then it would fail on linking something and I would have to start all over.

15:31:25 [davb]

check this out: http://www.learninglinux.com/article.php?sid=44

15:32:01 [davb]

its RedHat 7.1/Oracle 8.1.7 install guide. looks very good.

15:32:35 [davb]

hmmm where is chump, he's very slow today.

15:32:41 [davb]

* davb pokes chump

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15:35:14 [davb]

* davb pokes chump with daemontools

15:35:18 [davb]

http://www.learninglinux.com/article.php?sid=44

15:35:18 [chump]

B: http://www.learninglinux.com/article.php?sid=44 from davb

15:35:27 [davb]

B:|Installing Oracle 8.1.7 on RedHat 7.1

15:35:28 [chump]

titled item B

15:39:49 [ola]

cool. I actually installed Oracle 8.1.5 once on Windows from a cd-rom i got with an Oracle book I bought when I was on vacation in Sri Lanka.

15:42:18 [ola]

davb: are you running qmail with daemontools?

15:42:28 [davb]

no.

15:42:51 [davb]

I never saw a doc for it. They all just say put it in init.d

15:43:07 [ola]

strange.

15:43:09 [davb]

its never crashed.

15:44:02 [davb]

it used ucspi-tcp and tcpserver though...

15:44:08 [ola]

I'm going to try it with daemontools and see if it works

15:44:18 [ola]

ok

15:46:11 [davb]

http://smarden.org/pape/Debian/qmail/qmail-run.html

15:46:12 [chump]

C: http://smarden.org/pape/Debian/qmail/qmail-run.html from davb

15:46:23 [davb]

C:|qmail-run debian package for qmail with daemontools

15:46:24 [chump]

titled item C

15:47:38 [ola]

aha! so it CAN be done. cool.

15:47:50 [davb]

and from the man himself:

15:47:51 [davb]

http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq/admin.html#supervise

15:47:52 [chump]

D: http://cr.yp.to/qmail/faq/admin.html#supervise from davb

15:48:02 [davb]

D:|Qmail with daemontools from DJB

15:48:02 [chump]

titled item D

15:48:46 [davb]

D: akong with alot of other great qmail info

15:48:47 [chump]

commented item D

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16:49:06 [davb]

here is the error:

16:49:07 [davb]

[11/Dec/2001:12:10:52][955.5125][-conn1-] Error: Error sourcing /web/openacs-4/\

16:49:07 [davb]

packages/acs-bootstrap-installer/installer/packages-install.tcl:

16:49:07 [davb]

psql:acs-install.sql:247: ERROR: apm_packages_package_key_fk referential integ\

16:49:07 [davb]

rity violation - key referenced from apm_packages not found in apm_package_type\

16:49:07 [davb]

s

16:49:08 [davb]

psql:acs-install.sql:254: ERROR: ExecAppend: Fail to add null value in not nul\

16:49:10 [davb]

l attribute object_id

16:49:23 [davb]

I think I'll wait into later, then post on the bboard if its not fixed.

17:08:57 [pat]

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17:11:37 [pat]

hi guys. I'm following Vinod's brief guide to installing Openacs4, but for a fresh install, not an update.

17:12:11 [pat]

so there are a bunch of differences, which i'm trying to document and put back into the docs.

17:12:50 [davb]

ok.

17:12:52 [davb]

cool.

17:12:54 [pat]

rightnow, I'm trying to createlang, but I keep getting command not found. I have LD_LIBRARY_PATH set

17:13:14 [pat]

to /usr/local/pgsql/lib, which is where plpgsql.so is, but no luck

17:13:19 [davb]

its in the postgresql binary directory.

17:13:21 [pat]

I'm doing it as root. ANy ideas

17:13:25 [davb]

where is postgresql installed?

17:13:38 [davb]

try running it as the postgres user.

17:13:53 [pat]

well, I'm not entirely sure, but I think /usr/local/pgsql.

17:13:56 [davb]

on debian its in /usr/lib/postgresql/bin

17:14:04 [davb]

try usr/local/pgsql/bin

17:14:29 [pat]

if I cd to usr/local/pgsql/bin, it still doesn't work as root

17:14:41 [davb]

the postgres user should have the pgsql/bin in its path.

17:14:51 [davb]

./createlang?

17:15:13 [davb]

if its not in PATH that should work if its the right directory.

17:15:30 [pat]

good catch dave, that's it. I'm still a linux newbie and I forget that all the time. thanks

17:15:50 [davb]

no problem. I think its easiest to be the postgres user when you set that up.

17:16:08 [pat]

One thing I want to clear up in the docs is how these different users should be set up, namely nsadmin and postgres

17:16:13 [davb]

how did you install postgresql? source or some sort of package.

17:16:36 [pat]

source, following vinod and the basic postgres install docs. I'm on debian woody

17:16:51 [davb]

Ok.

17:16:54 [pat]

for instance, why should nsadmin own the /web directory?

17:17:10 [davb]

AOLserver runs as nsadmin.

17:17:15 [pat]

I could use rules of thumb for when I should be which user

17:17:29 [davb]

I am not sure it necessarily needs to own it, but it needs to be able to read and write to it.

17:17:43 [davb]

nsadmin almost 100% of the time.

17:17:52 [pat]

do you do a lot of dev work logged in as nsadmin?

17:18:49 [pat]

this plpgsql wasn't in the original doc, it was a comment. Why is it so important? Other than openacs won't run without it

17:19:16 [davb]

Usually its installed I think.

17:19:29 [davb]

so you shouldn't have to create it seperately.

17:19:51 [davb]

I always develop as nsadmin.

17:19:52 [pat]

ok, so I was just being redundant in createlang'ing again?

17:20:09 [pat]

thanks, good to know.

17:20:11 [davb]

I think it would give a message if it was already created.

17:20:20 [pat]

oh

17:20:23 [davb]

Did you createlang on template1 or the openacs db?

17:20:28 [pat]

openacs

17:20:39 [davb]

if you do it on template1 it will be created on all databases.

17:20:46 [davb]

that way you don't have to remember.

17:20:53 [pat]

sounds like a good idea

17:21:27 [pat]

thanks for the help. I noticed philg posting the other day about how it's the little things that trip learners up.

17:21:40 [pat]

he's so right.

17:21:53 [davb]

yes. If you look at the bboard statistics I have hundreds of posts asking these type of questions :)

17:22:12 [pat]

I'll send my notes back to Vinod and Roberto, and maybe have a second document for starting from scratch

17:22:18 [davb]

great!

17:22:23 [pat]

asssuming I'm ultimately successful!

17:22:45 [davb]

Good luck. We will try to help if you have any more questions.

17:22:54 [pat]

thanks again

17:23:12 [davb]

no problem.

17:26:19 [davb]

pat: do createlang -l dbname to see what languages are in that db

17:26:26 [davb]

ie. createlang -l template1

17:51:32 [pat]

thanks dave. I still have to go to the /usr/local/pgsql/bin dir to make this happen. I set LD_LIBRARY_PATH correctly,

17:51:56 [pat]

I think. Which PATH should I modify? /etc/profile? or something specific to the nsadminuser

17:52:21 [pat]

but when I run your command, i get plpgsql correctly installed on both template1 and openacs

17:54:18 [ola]

pat: try to set PGDATA to /usr/local/pgsql/bin in /etc/profile ...

17:55:57 [davb]

not PGDATA

17:55:58 [davb]

ack

17:56:12 [davb]

that is the location of the database.

17:56:21 [davb]

I set PATH in .bash_profile

17:57:01 [ola]

sorry I'm tired:-(

17:58:45 [davb]

:)

17:58:47 [davb]

no problem.

17:59:03 [davb]

I am not sure nsadmin is allowed to run createlang etc...

18:01:28 [davb]

pat: sorry if I am giving you too much information :)

18:29:11 [pat]

that's never going to be a problem, dave. i really appreciate all the help I can get

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19:09:33 [talli]

hey guys

19:09:42 [talli]

who is this pat fellow?

19:10:13 [talli]

davb, have you seen rbm around these parts lately?

19:12:06 [davb]

nope.

19:12:20 [talli]

when was the last time you saw him?

19:12:22 [davb]

pat is working on some potential new docs.

19:12:30 [davb]

A week or more ago.

19:13:22 [talli]

pat is? do you believe him?

19:13:44 [davb]

He is attempting to udpate vinod Brief install guide.

19:13:49 [davb]

Its a start.

19:13:55 [talli]

don't trust that dude!

19:13:58 [davb]

ok.

19:14:19 [davb]

:)

19:14:22 [talli]

(btw, pat is my partner at musea. i'm allowed to spread gossip about him)

19:14:29 [davb]

Cool.

19:14:44 [davb]

I suspected as much.

19:14:51 [davb]

Did you ever get a roadmap for the docs?

19:14:59 [davb]

I haven't seen vinod recently either.

19:19:48 [davb]

Ok.

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* markd2 fiddles with tradition

20:04:25 [davb]

hi markd2

20:04:42 [davb]

davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS Helpline http://openacs.org

20:16:56 [davb]

Empolyer Type code in out new database for a Village: EVIL

20:18:34 [davb]

employer that is :)

20:18:52 [markd2]

heh

20:19:01 [markd2]

that for the MS and AOLs of the world?

20:20:28 [davb]

we deal with public employers so no, but it is still amusing.

20:47:43 [markd2]

wow.

20:47:44 [markd2]

http://stacks.msnbc.com/local/AZREP/M124729.asp

20:47:44 [chump]

E: http://stacks.msnbc.com/local/AZREP/M124729.asp from markd2

20:47:58 [markd2]

hmmm.. and psychephylax hasn't been too active today

20:48:02 [markd2]

there must be a connection!

20:50:58 [davb]

spooky

21:01:47 [davb]

http://crazyapplerumor.blogspot.com/

21:01:47 [chump]

F: http://crazyapplerumor.blogspot.com/ from davb

21:01:56 [davb]

F:|Crazy Apple Rumors Site

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titled item F

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F:"Crazy Apple Rumors Site is dedicated to the fabrication of Apple rumors that defy verifiability, grammatical convention or any basis in reality. "

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commented item F

21:06:05 [davb]

http://crazyapplerumor.blogspot.com/2001_12_09_crazyapplerumor_archive.html#7817638

21:06:06 [chump]

G: http://crazyapplerumor.blogspot.com/2001_12_09_crazyapplerumor_archive.html#7817638 from davb

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G:|Jobs, Beard Part Ways

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titled item G

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22:00:45 [talli]

hey guys

22:00:51 [talli]

was davb here anytime recently?

22:03:33 [markd2]

yes

22:03:42 [markd2]

he ducked out maybe 20 minutes ago?

22:04:42 [talli]

ok, cool. did he say whether he would be back by any chance?

22:04:49 [markd2]

not that I saw

22:06:06 [talli]

thanks

22:30:38 [pat]

hi folks, I'm installing OpenACS with Vinod's Brief guide, but from scratch instead of an update

22:31:08 [markd2]

Vinod has put his briefs in a guide?

22:31:13 [markd2]

hopefully he washed them this time

22:31:30 [pat]

I had to set up cvs on my debian woody box, but when I try to login I get an error

22:31:49 [markd2]

what kind of error?

22:31:51 [pat]

cvslogin: failed to open /home/nsadmin/.cvspass for reading: no suc file or directory

22:32:00 [markd2]

I haven't done openacs4, but i've used the aD acs4

22:32:18 [pat]

I created a cvs group and added nsadmin to it. my cvs repository is at /usr/local/cvs

22:32:34 [pat]

thing is I've got no experience with cvs really.

22:33:13 [pat]

does nsadmin have to be initalized somehow as a cvs user?

22:33:21 [markd2]

nope

22:33:27 [markd2]

what user are you running cvs as?

22:33:37 [pat]

nsadmin

22:33:40 [pat]

try root?

22:33:45 [markd2]

hope

22:33:46 [markd2]

er, nope :-)

22:33:54 [markd2]

try the cheesy thing of "touch /hom/ensadmin/.cvspass"

22:34:03 [markd2]

and see if the existence of the fill will make it happy

22:34:52 [pat]

well, there is no file .cvspass. I don't know what it's supposed to do.

22:35:04 [Psychephylax]

woo

22:35:16 [markd2]

I think it's were cvs looks for a password if there's not one supplied

22:35:18 [Psychephylax]

Mark...you need to teach me everything you know about Relational Database theory

22:35:21 [pat]

oh wow, that worked. what the heck is touch anyway?

22:35:30 [Psychephylax]

talli you need to get me a job

22:35:38 [pat]

I don't care if it's cheesy, that's magic

22:35:39 [Psychephylax]

chump you keep track of all the links

22:35:42 [markd2]

touch 'officially' changes the modification date of a file to be "now"

22:35:46 [Psychephylax]

and loggy, you log the channel

22:35:54 [markd2]

if the file doesn't exist, touch creates an empty one

22:35:57 [markd2]

heh

22:36:04 [markd2]

psychephylax wades in and kicks some robot butt

22:36:07 [talli]

* talli is away (Auto-away on idle) after 30min idle [msglog:on]

22:36:16 [markd2]

pat : here's my cheesy writings on cvs : http://badgertronics.com/writings/cvs/

22:36:31 [Psychephylax]

Alternatively, touch can also be used to touch foreign objects and sometimes gets you sued for sexual harassement

22:36:43 [Psychephylax]

So be careful where you point that `finger`

22:36:44 [markd2]

only after you 'unzip' first

22:36:58 [Psychephylax]

heh

22:37:06 [pat]

thanks mark. Dave was a big help earlier. I'm tryig to fillin the gaps in vinods article as I stumble through this install

22:37:16 [Psychephylax]

I'm more of a 'tar' and feather man myself

22:37:20 [markd2]

give vinod some feedback when you're done

22:37:24 [markd2]

He's an awesome guy

22:37:28 [markd2]

and won't flame you for suggestions

22:37:32 [Psychephylax]

Vinod is sure is an awesome guy

22:37:53 [markd2]

one of the few (only?) folks here I've met in person

22:38:01 [pat]

yup, I'm marking up his doc. his is aimed at an upgrade of openacs, and I'm using it to start from a fresh install

22:38:18 [markd2]

I've got a feeling most folks will be doing fresh installs

22:38:19 [pat]

so I think it could be just an addendum or fork of his doc

22:38:30 [markd2]

or "fresh" installs if Psychephylax does them

22:38:34 [pat]

right, but they probably won't have to deal with cvs

22:38:36 [Psychephylax]

Spork? Someone mention a Spork?

22:38:55 [pat]

is psyhephylax a robot?

22:39:01 [Psychephylax]

yes

22:39:03 [Psychephylax]

I'm a robot

22:39:13 [pat]

impressive

22:39:17 [Psychephylax]

They call me Dr. Roboto

22:39:34 [pat]

domo origato

22:39:40 [markd2]

he's only a robot because he's still in college

22:39:43 [markd2]

soon to be out, though!

22:39:44 [Psychephylax]

Thank you?

22:39:47 [Psychephylax]

Thank you for what

22:39:49 [markd2]

and joining the ranks of the unemployed

22:39:53 [Psychephylax]

Wooooo!

22:39:57 [Psychephylax]

Or maybe employed :)

22:40:01 [markd2]

domo origami

22:40:08 [pat]

i think it's a styx song

22:40:09 [Psychephylax]

Well, worst comes to worst I'll take over Loggy's job

22:40:19 [Psychephylax]

Can't be too hard

22:40:23 [markd2]

Chump requires an advanced degree

22:40:25 [Psychephylax]

* Psychephylax evilishly eyes loggy

22:40:34 [pat]

domo origato Mr. Roboto. It was in a funny vw commercial

22:40:40 [Psychephylax]

I know

22:40:45 [Psychephylax]

Which is why I said it ;-D

22:40:51 [Psychephylax]

I am a learning Robot

22:40:55 [markd2]

Song from the Styx "Kilroy was Here" album

22:41:06 [Psychephylax]

kill?

22:41:07 [Psychephylax]

No thanks

22:41:09 [Psychephylax]

* Psychephylax hides

22:41:17 [markd2]

unless you like Roy

22:41:22 [markd2]

then you can let him live

22:41:35 [Psychephylax]

roy rodgers?

22:41:38 [Psychephylax]

or is it rogers

22:41:47 [Psychephylax]

Didn't they go bankrupt?

22:41:48 [markd2]

rogers

22:41:54 [markd2]

in the 23rd and a half century

22:42:05 [markd2]

there are about a half-dozen left in the northern VA and southern Maryland

22:42:06 [markd2]

Leesburg VA has two roy's

22:42:08 [Psychephylax]

23rd and a half?

22:42:19 [markd2]

Duck Dodgers in the 23rd and a half century

22:42:25 [markd2]

get with it, man!

22:42:28 [Psychephylax]

Sorry

22:42:31 [Psychephylax]

* Psychephylax hangs his head

22:42:37 [markd2]

pat will think we're real dorks otherwise!

22:42:40 [Psychephylax]

Mark

22:42:47 [Psychephylax]

Are you good with Triggers?

22:43:00 [markd2]

never done 'em in sybase

22:43:03 [markd2]

but I have done some in Oracle

22:43:05 [Psychephylax]

Oracle though

22:43:07 [Psychephylax]

ok, good

22:43:08 [markd2]

* markd2 avoids making horse jokes

22:43:11 [Psychephylax]

concept is still the same

22:43:14 [Psychephylax]

whore jokes?

22:43:17 [Psychephylax]

* Psychephylax hides

22:43:29 [Psychephylax]

i haven't seen no whores around here :-D

22:43:41 [Psychephylax]

or is it whorses

22:43:51 [Psychephylax]

hey

22:43:52 [Psychephylax]

get this

22:44:03 [Psychephylax]

My boss gave me tomorrow, friday and monday off

22:44:07 [Psychephylax]

For finals ;-)

22:44:15 [Psychephylax]

Now I have to pass them...*sigh*

22:44:25 [markd2]

sweet

22:44:35 [Psychephylax]

yeah

22:44:54 [Psychephylax]

I have to finish coding that silly fake library system

22:50:37 [Psychephylax]

:(

22:51:29 [markd2]

bummre

22:58:53 [Psychephylax]

rummbe?

23:04:50 [pat]

thanks for your help, mark

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