IRC log of openacs on 2001-12-09

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00:00:01 [markd2]
heh
00:00:05 [Psychephylax]
Where's the fearless channel leader aaronsw?
00:00:09 [markd2]
hep me! hep me! I'm been thwap-o-tized
00:00:14 [Psychephylax]
ROFL
00:00:29 [davb]
Try the new XML-Thwap
00:00:36 [Psychephylax]
XML-Thwap?
00:00:48 [davb]
I just made it up.. everything else is going XML
00:00:52 [Psychephylax]
<thwap>Davb</thwap>
00:00:53 [davb]
<thwap>
00:00:53 [Psychephylax]
?
00:00:58 [davb]
heh
00:01:13 [davb]
good enough. We'll keep the syntax simple for now. we can extend it later.
00:01:14 [Psychephylax]
I'm actually programming!
00:01:17 [Psychephylax]
*shudders*
00:01:25 [Psychephylax]
Mark
00:01:29 [Psychephylax]
Your kind of stuph
00:01:51 [Psychephylax]
Insert into db values ('mark','wants','a','cookie')
00:02:24 [davb]
http://alistapart.com/stories/netscape/
00:02:24 [chump]
D: http://alistapart.com/stories/netscape/ from davb
00:02:42 [davb]
D:|Why Don't You Code for Netscape [4]
00:02:42 [chump]
titled item D
00:03:11 [davb]
actually this is the funny part:
00:03:17 [Psychephylax]
Because Netscape is about to become extinct if they keep up with their crappy code
00:03:29 [Psychephylax]
I refuse to update above Netscape 4.78
00:03:37 [davb]
D:[excellent comments|http://diveintomark.weblogger.com/2001/12/07]
00:03:37 [chump]
commented item D
00:03:41 [Psychephylax]
They're pulling a Microsoft
00:03:43 [davb]
Psychephylax: Mozilla rules
00:03:52 [davb]
it actually works :)
00:03:56 [Psychephylax]
Mozilla != Netscape ;)
00:04:01 [davb]
OK.
00:04:08 [Psychephylax]
Netscape extends Mozilla into the fire of hell
00:04:21 [Psychephylax]
heh
00:04:27 [davb]
"But the site design looks like shit in Netscape 4, because Netscape 4 is the scourge of the Internet with its ridiculously buggy and incomplete CSS support and should immediately be taken out back, thrown in the dumpster, shot, taken out again, stomped on, cut into three pieces, juggled, kicked in the nuts, body checked against the wall, made to wear a dress, and then roughed up a bit for good measure.
00:04:27 [davb]
"
00:04:39 [Psychephylax]
I got AOL Instant Messenger on my phone...now I need to figure out a way to get IRC on there and I am all set
00:04:45 [davb]
Oh my.
00:04:50 [davb]
that is insane
00:04:58 [Psychephylax]
what's insane?
00:05:18 [Psychephylax]
Mark...got a question for you ;)
00:05:30 [markd2]
yes, I'm insane
00:05:31 [Psychephylax]
Say you have 3 tables
00:05:33 [Psychephylax]
lol
00:05:36 [davb]
IM on you phone, especially IRC on your phone. You need to get away sometime :)
00:05:46 [Psychephylax]
davb: Naaaah
00:06:08 [davb]
or not :)
00:06:27 [Psychephylax]
mark, if you have 3 tables and an insertion has to update them all, is it better to do a table join and then insert into that or is it better to update one table at a time?
00:07:29 [markd2]
update one at a time in a transaction
00:07:35 [markd2]
you can't really insert into a table join
00:07:42 [markd2]
unless you do some messiness with "instead of triggers'
00:07:44 [davb]
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-8102681.html?tag=mn_hd
00:07:45 [chump]
E: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1006-200-8102681.html?tag=mn_hd from davb
00:07:48 [markd2]
that's what transations are for :-)
00:07:56 [davb]
E:|Apple confirms iPod sleep-mode bug
00:07:56 [chump]
titled item E
00:08:10 [markd2]
oh, my ipod came back from the doctor this morning
00:08:20 [davb]
that was fast.
00:08:26 [Psychephylax]
?
00:08:32 [Psychephylax]
your ipod went to a doctor?
00:08:37 [Psychephylax]
Damn they're getting smarter
00:08:39 [davb]
also look out for:
00:08:41 [davb]
http://www.ipodhacks.com/article.php?sid=43
00:08:41 [chump]
F: http://www.ipodhacks.com/article.php?sid=43 from davb
00:08:51 [davb]
F:|iPod Bug with lengthy MP3s
00:08:51 [chump]
titled item F
00:08:59 [davb]
F:(>20Mb)
00:08:59 [chump]
commented item F
00:09:27 [davb]
http://www.morons.org/articles/1
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G: http://www.morons.org/articles/1 from davb
00:09:39 [davb]
G:|Morons in the New from morons.org
00:09:39 [chump]
titled item G
00:09:47 [davb]
G:s/New/News
00:09:47 [chump]
commented item G
00:10:07 [markd2]
little ipod arrived DOA (I think related to the sleep / low battery problem)
00:10:14 [davb]
G: check out the busy box
00:10:14 [chump]
commented item G
00:11:56 [markd2]
the busy box is awesome!
00:11:56 [davb]
I hope the poor guy a cornerhost doesn't get mad at me for siccing the OpenACS gang on him
00:12:27 [markd2]
business is business
00:12:35 [markd2]
disk is cheap for all of those 200 gig OACS installs
00:12:44 [davb]
http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0003Re&topic_id=11&topic=OpenACS
00:12:44 [chump]
H: http://openacs.org/bboard/q-and-a-fetch-msg.tcl?msg_id=0003Re&topic_id=11&topic=OpenACS from davb
00:12:51 [davb]
yes.
00:16:45 [Psychephylax]
Wooo!
00:16:49 [Psychephylax]
I'll get this stuff done :)
00:16:52 [Psychephylax]
Hehehe
00:16:55 [Psychephylax]
Guess what
00:19:19 [davb]
what?
00:19:38 [Psychephylax]
I'm going to be commencing on the 16th! That's just 8 days away!!!!!!!! Wooooo!!! I'll break out all sorts of booze :-/
00:19:41 [Psychephylax]
:-D
00:19:45 [markd2]
woot!
00:19:48 [davb]
Yippee!
00:19:49 [markd2]
you passed all your classes
00:19:52 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax dances on one foot around his room
00:19:52 [markd2]
?
00:19:58 [Psychephylax]
No, I didn't...yet
00:19:59 [Psychephylax]
hehe
00:20:08 [Psychephylax]
They make us walk before finals in December
00:21:09 [Psychephylax]
I'm just going to go to all the professors and be like..."You COULD fail me...but that means I'll have to come see you every day again and I won't learn a single thing I have not already learned so you will just be wasting my time, your time and someone else's time who couldn't get into this class because I'm using it as a bed in your class" ;-)
00:22:30 [davb]
Great line in .muttrc: folder-hook . my_hdr Organisation: Poor
00:22:39 [Psychephylax]
rofl
00:22:53 [Psychephylax]
Isn't it Organization?
00:23:21 [davb]
not across the pond
00:24:09 [Psychephylax]
damn stupid people :P
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00:33:06 [Psychephylax]
lol
00:33:15 [Psychephylax]
Anyone listen to wallops?
00:33:23 [markd2]
what's wallops?
00:33:37 [Psychephylax]
Server Op Messages
00:33:41 [Psychephylax]
!lilo:*! Would someone in Houston, Texas be interested in donating a box of new floppies this evening for a server install? Please /msg me. Thanks.
00:33:49 [Psychephylax]
I found that funny ^^
00:33:53 [markd2]
heh
00:33:57 [markd2]
how do you turn those on?
00:34:07 [Psychephylax]
ummm
00:34:13 [Psychephylax]
Not sure
00:34:13 [Psychephylax]
hehe
00:34:19 [Psychephylax]
Mine are on by default in bitchx
00:34:27 [Psychephylax]
but I think it's +w or maybe +e
00:37:58 [Psychephylax]
Mark
00:38:13 [Psychephylax]
Is this considered bad to calculate the number of copies in the library dynamically?
00:38:21 [Psychephylax]
then increment it by 1 and store it back
00:38:35 [markd2]
why are you calculating and storing it?
00:38:37 [markd2]
(and yes, it's bad)
00:38:40 [Psychephylax]
I do count(*) where ISBN=blah and then I inc that to be the next copy number to be added
00:39:04 [markd2]
just use a sequence
00:39:09 [Psychephylax]
heh
00:39:20 [markd2]
that's a race condition, unless you lock the table that contains your count
00:39:31 [markd2]
in which case you've serialzed your system on that point
00:39:34 [Psychephylax]
*sigh*
00:39:35 [Psychephylax]
Hold on
00:39:42 [Psychephylax]
It's easier said than done
00:39:53 [markd2]
are you using oracle? and can you use oracle features?
00:39:57 [Psychephylax]
Sybase
00:40:02 [markd2]
oh
00:40:46 [Psychephylax]
I know what you mean about race conditions
00:41:08 [Psychephylax]
But it's easier to do it my way :)
00:41:17 [Psychephylax]
simply because the lifetime of my program will be about 20 minutes
00:41:32 [markd2]
heh
00:41:34 [Psychephylax]
And I'm not going to spend 2 hours figuring out how to use a sequence ;p
00:41:49 [markd2]
put a comment in psychephylax code which says "this is a race condition. don't try this in real life"
00:41:56 [markd2]
that way the professor won't know
00:42:07 [Psychephylax]
Psychephylax code?
00:42:15 [markd2]
secret writing only you understand
00:42:21 [Psychephylax]
lol
00:42:29 [Psychephylax]
It's all in here *pointing to the head*
00:42:38 [markd2]
* markd2 hears the hollow thumping sound
00:42:50 [Psychephylax]
;(
00:43:06 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax thwaps© and hears a low ringing sound
00:45:48 [markd2]
*bong*
00:45:57 [Psychephylax]
No thanks, I'm not into pot ;) and feeling free
00:47:29 [markd2]
* markd2 doesn't inhale
00:48:56 [Psychephylax]
Like Billy?
00:49:01 [Psychephylax]
Do you play the sex..i mean sax/
00:49:30 [markd2]
* markd2 hands sporkie a cigar
00:50:12 [Psychephylax]
no thanks
00:50:14 [Psychephylax]
It's a trap!
00:51:28 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax hides
00:57:56 [Psychephylax]
fuck!
00:58:02 [Psychephylax]
I'm having the worst luck with stuff today
00:58:21 [Psychephylax]
I already spilled spaghetti sauce all over the kitchen wall...now I spilled Dr. Pepper all over my carpet
00:58:57 [markd2]
tasty
00:59:01 [Psychephylax]
messy
00:59:05 [markd2]
sounds like you have both an eating and a drinking problem
00:59:10 [Psychephylax]
heh
00:59:16 [Psychephylax]
more of a spilling problem
01:03:12 [Psychephylax]
gotta find out how to insert timestamps
01:07:17 [Psychephylax]
hmmm
01:07:21 [Psychephylax]
ok
01:07:25 [Psychephylax]
how should I do this
01:07:45 [Psychephylax]
I don't need to do a full insertion if the book was already entered
01:07:57 [Psychephylax]
just add a copy
01:07:59 [Psychephylax]
AHA!
01:08:01 [Psychephylax]
I can do that :)
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01:45:51 [davb]
d
01:45:54 [davb]
oops
01:49:00 [davb]
http://members.tripod.com/~EvilBobDayjob/drprecipes.html
01:49:01 [chump]
I: http://members.tripod.com/~EvilBobDayjob/drprecipes.html from davb
01:49:07 [davb]
I:|Dr Pepper recipes
01:49:07 [chump]
titled item I
01:49:14 [davb]
I: so Psychephylax only has to spill one thing
01:49:15 [chump]
commented item I
02:05:07 [Psychephylax]
?
02:09:41 [davb]
Dr Pepper food.
02:12:17 [davb]
s/one/only one
02:12:21 [davb]
:)
02:13:48 [davb]
game time
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16:53:05 [Psychephylax]
oogle boogle
16:53:10 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax thwaps davb
17:48:24 [davb]
hi
17:48:32 [Psychephylax]
:-/
17:48:56 [Psychephylax]
I have one hour to develop a presentation
17:49:20 [davb]
you probably should log off IRC :)
17:49:26 [Psychephylax]
nah
17:49:30 [davb]
on what?
17:49:32 [Psychephylax]
I should probably go smack my mom for killing the power
17:49:44 [Psychephylax]
God Bless UPSes I have ;)
17:49:54 [davb]
that helps
17:50:07 [Psychephylax]
yes
17:50:11 [Psychephylax]
And they come to ME to fix it
17:50:15 [Psychephylax]
Don't break it in the first place
17:50:16 [Psychephylax]
Sigh
17:50:23 [Psychephylax]
My mom is bright...but sometimes i wonder
17:51:21 [Psychephylax]
It's a presentation on our project
17:51:48 [davb]
fun
17:52:53 [Psychephylax]
Uhhuh
17:53:01 [Psychephylax]
I also have to clean my room
17:53:10 [Psychephylax]
God I can't wait for the 23rd
17:53:13 [Psychephylax]
I'll be free
17:53:15 [Psychephylax]
Finally...
17:55:39 [Psychephylax]
It's gotta be approximately 15 minutes
18:01:19 [davb]
Thats not too bad. Did you start yet? :)
18:01:45 [davb]
good luck, gotta go
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20:57:39 [davb]
http://firstmonday.org/issues/issue6_12/kelty/
20:57:40 [chump]
A: http://firstmonday.org/issues/issue6_12/kelty/ from davb
20:57:56 [davb]
A:|Free Software/Free Science
20:57:56 [chump]
titled item A
20:58:25 [davb]
A: at [firstmonday|http://firstmonday.com]
20:58:25 [chump]
commented item A
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21:31:12 [davb]
http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue6_12/lancashire/index.html
21:31:13 [chump]
B: http://www.firstmonday.org/issues/issue6_12/lancashire/index.html from davb
21:31:26 [davb]
B:|Code, Culture and Cash: The Fading Altruism of Open Source Development
21:31:27 [chump]
titled item B
21:31:35 [davb]
B: more from First Monday
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commented item B
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23:07:18 [markd2]
looks like aaronsw syndrome
23:16:35 [davb]
:)
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