00:19:34 rbm has quit (Ping timeout: 182 seconds) 01:14:49 abbaJ has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01:15:19 abbaJ (jabba@adsl-65-65-97-132.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 01:19:53 davb (~dave@alb-66-24-206-180.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 01:20:01 howdy! 01:21:08 hi 01:25:05 hey guys! 01:25:19 hi vinod 01:25:28 Hi vinod. 01:27:54 yes! granitecanyon saves my A** 01:29:26 how'd it do that? 01:30:23 Network Solutions says I am not who I am, so I have not been able to update the primary DNS for one of the domains. Granitecanyon.com is the backup DNS and it switched over to the right DNS server. 01:32:04 ahh.. cool. net-sol is evil 01:32:45 Yes. I need to get this last domain away from them. 01:36:03 "Completing the transfer process depends on you authenticating your identity 01:36:03 through our automated authorization process for which you will receive an 01:36:03 email shortly. It also depends on your current registrar living up to its 01:36:03 commitments to providing customer service and honoring your requests, which 01:36:03 we have no control over." 01:37:55 Who wants to talk about static pages? 01:40:08 The oracle version compares the file in the filesystem with the file that was stuffed in the database to see if it has changed. 01:40:26 That doesn't work with Postgresql because we keep the files in the filesystem. 01:41:14 Steve Woodcock suggested adding a mtime column and storing the modified date/time of the file in there to compare. This breaks the Oracle version though. 01:42:18 Wait. I had an idea...If I make a package parameter to store pages in the database or filesystem, and have the compare proc based on which on is choosen, it will work. 01:42:48 That means fixing up to Oracle version to allow files in the filesystem and the Postgresql version to allow stuffing the database... 01:43:40 that would work. or... 01:43:50 ack but the PG version still needs an extra column... 01:43:54 * davb thinks more 01:44:36 on aolserver startup, you could set up an nsv that returns 'db' if on oracle and 'fs' if on pg. then the compare function could check that nsv and do the right thing 01:45:04 that would work, but is dependent on the supported list of databases not changing. 01:45:16 true 01:45:20 Hmmm... 01:45:48 I also want to get away without an extra column in the table if possible. 01:46:04 rbm (rmello@fslc.ser.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 01:48:47 davb: could you do something like cr_write_content in acs-content-repository/tcl/revision-procs.tcl 01:49:08 instead of writing the content to the HTML connection, do a comparison? 01:50:37 The problem is there is nothing to compare to. The CR stores the file in the filesystem which is the file we are checking to see if it changed :) 01:51:49 hmmm... well, in the 'file' part of the switch statement, you could do a check on mtime (but that would require the extra column) :-( 01:53:22 Argh: the admin contact for that domain has a bogus email address in it... 01:53:43 doh! 01:54:17 Oh well, its not mine... I'll just let them know and have them battle with NetSol themselves. 01:55:23 * Psychephylax catches up 01:56:14 net-sol boooo 01:56:16 Vinod yay! 01:56:49 brb 01:56:54 back be right? 01:57:00 how's the scuba diving goin? :-) 01:57:34 it rocks 01:57:59 I need to find a dive shop around me who can set me up with a good respectable instructor who can certify me in SSI and PADI 01:58:13 server-side-include? 01:58:20 * vinod knows nothing about scuba 01:58:33 no 01:58:51 Scuba Schools International 01:59:03 ahhh 01:59:36 See, there's like a few dozen of these associations that can grant you a c-card (c = certification) for scuba diving 02:00:09 YMCA, PADI, SSI, NAUI...etc 02:00:36 Except like a bunch of them (recently) decided to come together and standarddize their c-cards...so YMCA is part of SSI now 02:01:19 davb has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:01:19 abbaJ has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:01:32 davb (~dave@alb-66-24-206-180.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 02:02:44 Psychephylax: can you dive around there? 02:03:58 and if I find a dive shop that can set me up with an instructor who can give me 2 C-Cards (one for SSI and one for PADI) I am all set 02:03:58 abbaJ (jabba@adsl-65-65-97-132.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 02:03:58 yeah 02:03:58 I just have to have a thicker wetsuit or a drysuit (mad money for those) 02:05:30 Supposedly there is some great wreck diving around here 02:05:54 cool 02:05:59 yeah 02:06:27 I'm worried about the temperatures here and the visibility of water is kinda low 02:06:50 that and if you surface in the wrong spot you can easily get run over 02:08:19 ouch! 02:08:49 yup 02:09:13 That's what the underwater navigation course is for 02:09:28 I like it... 02:10:05 You can "specialize" in things but basically it's just making an x (I think 2-6) dives with an instructor to practice that specialty 02:10:23 Like to specialize in "Boat Diving" you make 2 boat dives and you're set 02:10:23 hehe 02:10:53 technically if I had my certification already I'd be a boat diver since I made 2 dives off a boat 02:14:47 * Psychephylax goes to bed 02:14:58 vinod has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:15:01 vinod: I think the best solution is to add the column and make a package param for filesystem or database... 02:16:05 docwolf has quit (Ping timeout: 47 seconds) 02:16:23 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. It appears we will be having something of a mass restart in order to resolve some problems. Unfortunately, it appears we can't put it off. Apologies. 02:19:32 abbaJ has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:19:32 rbm has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:19:32 chump has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:19:32 Psychephylax has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:22:05 hmmmm..... 02:25:16 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 02:25:43 loggy (~openacs-l@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 02:25:43 Users on #OpenACS: loggy davb 02:25:43 [#OpenACS] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 02:25:48 hi loggy 02:25:53 where's chump? 02:26:32 AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #openacs 02:26:59 abbaJ (jabba@adsl-65-65-97-132.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 02:27:54 vinod (~vinod@209-122-233-253.s2063.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 02:29:18 vinod has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:29:18 AaronSw has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 02:29:39 chump (~chump@alb-66-24-204-217.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 02:29:39 [#openacs] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 02:29:47 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 02:30:47 loggy (~openacs-l@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 02:30:47 Users on #openacs: loggy davb abbaJ chump 02:31:54 [#openacs] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 02:34:53 vinod (~vinod@209-122-233-253.s2063.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #OpenACS 02:34:53 AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #OpenACS 02:39:49 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 02:42:15 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. As near as we can tell, we have managed to purge the problem configuration from all servers. Bug reports have been filed and we'll tiptoe a bit until we have that bug fixed. Thanks. 02:44:16 [GlobalNotice] To recap, something of an emergency was created by a bug in a dynamic configuration line. We restarted all of the servers to avoid having, uh, random restarts until our next software upgrade. Things should be taken care of and we think we can probably avoid problems until the next upgrade. Thanks. 02:58:56 davb has quit ("I'm too lame to make a quit message") 03:03:23 markd2 (~Snak@166.102.30.144) has joined #openacs 03:50:09 rbm (rmello@fslc.ser.usu.edu) has joined #openacs 04:18:18 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 04:52:57 umpalumpa (~chatzilla@h24-67-111-147.cg.shawcable.net) has joined #openacs 05:07:04 umpalumpa? 05:07:18 yo... 05:07:36 know anything about emacs and cvs? 05:10:25 guess not... I will share anyway. 05:10:45 edit a file under cvs control in emacs, save it, close emacs. 05:11:25 come back to it the next day to continue, furrow brow when emacs says "buffer is read only" 05:11:54 resort to vi if it's a small change, commit changes other wise. 05:12:13 dispare at the state of cvs repository... :-( 05:22:35 I've used emacs with cvs. 05:24:11 You're saying that you left emacs open and the next day the buffer was read-only+? 05:24:21 Was this after you did a cvs update? 05:24:32 DId somebody commit another version while you were asleep? 05:25:30 no, I closed emacs, that's the only time this happens. I am the only one editing these files. 05:26:04 everything is standard, nothing fancy, no tricks. 05:26:24 I think people must just sit and code until they'r ecompletely happy... I am fickle... 05:28:20 What are the permissions on the file? 05:29:28 rw-rw-r -- i am ther owner and in the group. the directories have the group s-bit set. 05:30:26 i can edit the file again if I commit, i can edit in vi without commiting. i am just not ready to commit :-) 05:30:51 What happens when you try to commit+? 05:31:17 i am a cvs weenie, I don't know what that is. what does it do? 05:31:39 jabber 05:31:41 oops 05:32:33 umpalumpa: What does _what_ do? 05:33:46 er commit+... if I commit 'cvs commit my-file.tcl' it asks for a message, I give it one, it commits, I continue to edit the file. I think I missed something... 05:35:08 Oh :-) I meant "commit". The "+" was a typo. 05:35:32 cvs++ maybe... 05:35:53 So your problem happens only in emacs? 05:36:03 yep, just emacs 05:37:18 How are you committing from within emacs? 05:37:42 it looks like emacs notices that on opening the file from the file system it is newer than the one in the repository (it looks in the .CVS directory etc.) and thinks I shouyld update or commit. I just want to turn that feature off... 05:37:57 oh, I am dropping to the shell to commit etc. 05:38:06 just editing in emacs. 05:38:08 There it is. You shouldn't do that. 05:38:20 You should commit right from within emacs. 05:38:20 but I don't want to commit! 05:38:55 i have not finnished making changes, I will be commiting broken code 05:38:56 When you open a file in Emacs, if it's under CVS, it only shows you the version. It won't stop you from editing the file. 05:39:18 Okay. Let me back off then. 05:39:37 no no, I'm sure it's me that's being a fool... 05:39:50 You have a CVS repository. You open any file and emacs tells you that you can't write to it? 05:40:41 Here's what I do: I checkout a working version of the project, from the shell. I open a file in the normal manner with emacs, make changes, save, close emacs, have lunch. 05:41:09 if I open the file again, emacs says it is read only. vi will edit the file, it is not read only. 05:41:30 if i commit my unfinnished changes, emacs will allow me to edit the file once again. 05:41:31 Weird. I've never had that happen to me. It doesn't make any sense. 05:41:43 nah, to me neither... 05:41:47 url? 05:41:54 nevermind. wrong window 05:41:54 fo rehat? 05:41:58 oh 05:42:27 The only thing I could think of is some emacs module trying to do something for you. 05:42:55 I tried emacs -nw -q --no-site-file my-file.tcl 05:43:29 maybe I should just try upgrading emacs and cvs etc... 05:44:50 What emacs are you running? 05:45:20 20.1 It's a RedHat 6.1 machine, cvs is at 1.10.6 -- I don't recall updating anything... 05:45:34 oops, 20.4 05:45:57 Red Hat 6.1 is dangerous.... 05:46:50 it's just an internal dev machine, I try to leave it alone and not mess with it, a known stability. At least, that's the idea. 05:47:42 maybe some upgrading is in order though... 05:50:19 I don't know what to tell you. 05:50:54 With time, improvements are made to programs. If you stay in the leading edge, instead of bleeding edge, you should be better off than in the ancient edge 05:52:03 :-) yeah, I will stop whining and get off my lazy ass and do something about it. maybe. 05:52:07 thanks. 05:53:29 Install Debian and you won't have this problem. 05:53:33 umpalumpa has left #openacs 05:53:38 woot 06:34:13 well, I can't get to rjr's server. 07:05:48 Grax (~grax@cx447399-d.omhaw1.ne.home.com) has joined #openacs 07:07:05 Grax is now known as dwalker 07:10:28 abbaJ has quit (sagan.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07:10:54 abbaJ (jabba@adsl-65-65-97-132.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 07:13:05 dwalker has quit ("http://www.grax.com") 08:14:01 abbaJ has quit (Remote closed the connection) 09:39:36 djg_ (~dirk@212.84.246.68) has joined #openacs 12:34:05 chump has quit (sagan.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 12:34:52 chump (~chump@alb-66-24-204-217.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 12:44:11 Psychephylax (proxy@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 12:59:42 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 13:02:02 good morning Psychephylax. 13:16:03 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.106.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 13:24:50 djg_ has quit ("changing servers") 13:25:00 howdy markd2. 13:26:02 good afternoon 13:27:47 sheesh! alpha2 is out. 13:46:27 huzzah! 13:46:34 off to get some exercise. bbl 13:46:37 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 13:50:51 davb (~dave@cm-208-136-23-203.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:54:00 hi davb. 13:54:25 hi 14:24:40 bah 14:44:21 midgets? 14:47:54 yes giant, what do you want? 14:49:35 rofl 14:49:44 Just asking 14:56:19 Cool! 14:56:20 It works 14:58:29 Is there a way to create a custom default link menu (like at openacs.com) that does not change? 14:59:20 * Psychephylax waves a cookie 14:59:23 Mark you awake? 14:59:41 he might be, but he's not connected to IRC :) 15:00:05 Put it in the master template. 15:00:23 ok, but can I do it conditionally? 15:00:26 and link all your other templates to the master template. 15:00:29 like I want 3 diff nav bars 15:00:59 If it's a user he can only do 3 things 15:01:05 have one master, 3 little templates with the actual navbars. master.tcl figures out which one and passes it to master.adp 15:01:07 if it's a supervisor/manager he can do 7 15:01:21 Explain 15:01:23 hang on... 15:02:44 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.44.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 15:03:40 use ad_navbar to build the navbar in the master.tcl 15:03:57 i.e. set navbvar [ad_navbar params] 15:04:08 then in your adp do %navbar% 15:04:10 http://developer.arsdigita.com/api-doc/proc-view?proc=ad%5fnavbar 15:04:11 A: http://developer.arsdigita.com/api-doc/proc-view?proc=ad%5fnavbar from davb 15:04:15 I don't have a master.tcl 15:04:16 A:|Docs to ad_navbar 15:04:16 titled item A 15:04:30 Make one. or do it in each page... 15:04:40 Will these links be common across all the pages? 15:04:46 yes 15:04:56 Then I recommend using a master.tcl/adp 15:05:01 ok 15:05:09 I have a default-master.tcl/adp 15:05:25 model it after that. 15:05:35 it doesn't matter what its called. call it bob. 15:06:34 then do in the other templates. 15:06:55 i'm a bit confused 15:07:04 in my master.adp I do ad_navbar? 15:07:05 15:07:21 master.tcl 15:07:22 * Psychephylax gives mark a cookie 15:08:14 ok, 15:08:18 so now i need to define the links? 15:09:11 like this: set navbar [ad_navbar "link" "link_title" etc...] 15:09:26 ok 15:11:16 Psychephylax: you can search for "nav" in the API Browser at /api-doc ... 15:11:43 yeah I did 15:11:49 it shows me the same stuff dave pasted 15:12:23 but it doesn't say if it wants full links like or just index or /snmp/www/index 15:12:26 master.tcl will have to determine what type of user the user is and create the navbar accordingly. 15:12:40 Right, I am working on that :) 15:12:48 like this "/stuff/bob" 15:13:01 relative to the site root. 15:13:07 (i think) 15:13:29 ok 15:13:33 actually all it does is stuff whatever is "link" in an a href="$link" 15:13:41 so whatever you put is what you get :) 15:14:43 ok 15:15:25 ok 15:15:30 I did the tcl part (i hope) 15:15:36 now I need to stick it into the adp page? 15:15:49 It goes into master.adp? 15:16:00 yes. 15:16:15 is it @navbar@ or %navbar%? 15:16:23 @navbar@ 15:16:30 look at the default-master.adp 15:16:41 you need the for where the other template will go. 15:17:54 I take it I did this wrong --> if {(ad_permission_p $package_id manager) || (ad_permission_p $package_id supervisor)} { 15:19:02 you have ( where you need [ 15:19:21 ah 15:20:48 wow 15:20:51 love the nav bar 15:20:56 [|] 15:21:19 You can right your own spiffy navbar proc... 15:21:28 s/right/write 15:23:40 yeah right 15:25:18 hmmmmm 15:25:39 i'm getting the hang of it 15:25:58 but how do I make it separate the stuff 15:29:03 hmmmm 15:29:18 not sure, its HTML, compresses whitespace. you can use a to insert a space. 15:29:35 or make a little table. that would require a new navbar proc. 15:29:52 you can use an image of a 1x1 invisible gif 15:30:00 and stretch it to the width / height you need 15:30:43 aha 15:31:12 ola: I wonder if keeping the content in the database for static pages is better if you want to template it... 15:31:21 I'm trying to make the system recognise (and load) a library file but it refuses... 15:31:22 i got it 15:31:31 ola: what is it called? 15:31:48 bla-procs.tcl 15:31:50 can only be package-name-init.tcl or package-name-procs.tcl 15:32:03 it also I think needs to be mentioned in the info file. 15:32:07 til (tils@port-212-202-128-208.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 15:32:10 but I could be making that part up :) 15:32:47 Psychephylax: us a 1 pixel gif the color of the background. Never plan for the future I always say! 15:32:59 davb: why would the db be a better place for the content? 15:33:24 If you needed to fiddle around with it to template it...as always, I could be wrong. 15:33:49 ok 15:33:56 I need to trick ola and Steve Woodcock into maintaining the static-pages package... oops thinking aloud again 15:34:08 hehe 15:35:04 Why would I want a 1 pixel gif of the background color? 15:35:22 so that when the background changes all the gifs will magically appear... 15:35:32 to guarantee so you will stick to your original design 15:35:38 heh 15:35:50 i don't get it 15:36:05 message to davb: joke failed... 15:36:34 ok 15:36:42 alert! alert! 15:36:42 * markd2 tries distracting spork 15:36:42 so, how about them squirrel nut zippers? 15:36:53 Psychephylax is now known as Sporkiephylax 15:37:01 ola: steve has a patch for static-pages that adds a column to the static-pages table for the modified time so that it doesn't say the file is modified every time. 15:37:02 I got a question 15:37:07 SNZ are cool. 15:37:17 I've got 'Hot' on the CD player now 15:37:34 How do I not show the nav bar on only one page but on all others? 15:37:39 I need to get some on them. They were on the radio a couple of years ago. 15:37:49 Use a different master template without the navbar. 15:37:57 how do I do that? 15:38:10 can't I just check in the tcl page what page I'm at now? 15:38:50 Then you are hard coding in the template... 15:39:03 heh ok, I'll do it the better way 15:39:05 better to just make master2.tcl/adp without the navbar and point the page to it. 15:41:08 so how do I tell the adp page to use a diff template? 15:41:22 i ass-u-me it's gotta do something with the tag 15:42:08 * Sporkiephylax wanders over ot the aolserver page 15:42:15 davb: cool! 15:42:36 Sporkiephylax: yes, you can have as many masters as you like. 15:42:52 * ola begins to feel the pressure to contribute something too... 15:43:22 I want to add a package parameter to specify database or filesystem storage but I am not sure if its the right way, 15:43:53 that also requires adding the other option to the Oracle and PG versions... 15:44:09 odd 15:44:20 there's not much on how to call different templates 15:45:41 the aolserver page wouldn't have anything on it 15:45:45 since it's an ACS thing 15:46:59 Aha! 15:47:01 Sporkiephylax: you can also include templates in other templates.... 15:47:07 nah, I got it 15:47:11 just to confuse you a little more 15:47:33 you must do master src="mark_and_dave_get_cookies"> and it works 15:50:36 Is it better to have nav bars at the top or bottom of a page? 15:51:27 probably top, its always in the same place no matter what size browser window you have. 15:52:01 true 15:52:26 I hate access.... 15:55:30 whats not equal in SQL? 15:56:26 <> 15:56:30 thanks 15:56:35 http://designforcommunity.com/display.cgi/200111182101 15:56:35 B: http://designforcommunity.com/display.cgi/200111182101 from markd2 15:56:48 B:| Killing your community for the betterment of your community 15:56:49 titled item B 15:56:59 B: Sometimes killing the thing you love is the best thing for it. 15:56:59 commented item B 15:57:32 That should directly linked to from godwinslaw.com 16:01:18 you know 16:06:58 Is it or to put something in the center? 16:07:30 16:07:34 16:07:52 unless its in a table cell, then you can do 16:08:38 Excellent 16:31:08 * Sporkiephylax tries to entice Mark with a cookie 16:32:16 * markd2 wakes up 16:32:59 I'm creating a sequence in a snmp-create.sql 16:33:06 Do I need to add a / 16:33:46 Or is this: --need a sequence for problem_ids 16:33:47 create sequence problem_number increment by 1 16:33:48 sufficient 16:34:08 yep 16:34:14 excellent 16:34:16 and the increment by 1 is redundant 16:35:26 eh 16:35:35 create sequence cokie_seq; 16:35:45 alraedy is increment by "1" 16:36:07 Not if I bake a batch! 16:37:27 heh 16:39:46 markd2 has quit ("on-site tutoring") 17:01:11 Dave? 17:06:22 When will people understand that the author of code can liscense it any way he yes? 17:06:25 oop 17:06:27 s 17:06:31 rofl 17:06:31 whats up? 17:06:49 I dislike mIRC strongly 17:07:00 Does ad_get_user_id fetch the id of the user who's currently browsing? 17:07:23 I'm hoping to use that to get the id of the person who requested the page 17:07:45 I think so. 17:08:02 I think there are different strengh security versions of ad_get_user_id 17:08:44 hmm? 17:09:47