IRC log of openacs on 2001-11-28

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01:20:01 [davb]
howdy!
01:21:08 [Psychephylax]
hi
01:25:05 [vinod]
hey guys!
01:25:19 [Psychephylax]
hi vinod
01:25:28 [davb]
Hi vinod.
01:27:54 [davb]
yes! granitecanyon saves my A**
01:29:26 [vinod]
how'd it do that?
01:30:23 [davb]
Network Solutions says I am not who I am, so I have not been able to update the primary DNS for one of the domains. Granitecanyon.com is the backup DNS and it switched over to the right DNS server.
01:32:04 [vinod]
ahh.. cool. net-sol is evil
01:32:45 [davb]
Yes. I need to get this last domain away from them.
01:36:03 [davb]
"Completing the transfer process depends on you authenticating your identity
01:36:03 [davb]
through our automated authorization process for which you will receive an
01:36:03 [davb]
email shortly. It also depends on your current registrar living up to its
01:36:03 [davb]
commitments to providing customer service and honoring your requests, which
01:36:03 [davb]
we have no control over."
01:37:55 [davb]
Who wants to talk about static pages?
01:40:08 [davb]
The oracle version compares the file in the filesystem with the file that was stuffed in the database to see if it has changed.
01:40:26 [davb]
That doesn't work with Postgresql because we keep the files in the filesystem.
01:41:14 [davb]
Steve Woodcock suggested adding a mtime column and storing the modified date/time of the file in there to compare. This breaks the Oracle version though.
01:42:18 [davb]
Wait. I had an idea...If I make a package parameter to store pages in the database or filesystem, and have the compare proc based on which on is choosen, it will work.
01:42:48 [davb]
That means fixing up to Oracle version to allow files in the filesystem and the Postgresql version to allow stuffing the database...
01:43:40 [vinod]
that would work. or...
01:43:50 [davb]
ack but the PG version still needs an extra column...
01:43:54 [davb]
* davb thinks more
01:44:36 [vinod]
on aolserver startup, you could set up an nsv that returns 'db' if on oracle and 'fs' if on pg. then the compare function could check that nsv and do the right thing
01:45:04 [davb]
that would work, but is dependent on the supported list of databases not changing.
01:45:16 [vinod]
true
01:45:20 [davb]
Hmmm...
01:45:48 [davb]
I also want to get away without an extra column in the table if possible.
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01:48:47 [vinod]
davb: could you do something like cr_write_content in acs-content-repository/tcl/revision-procs.tcl
01:49:08 [vinod]
instead of writing the content to the HTML connection, do a comparison?
01:50:37 [davb]
The problem is there is nothing to compare to. The CR stores the file in the filesystem which is the file we are checking to see if it changed :)
01:51:49 [vinod]
hmmm... well, in the 'file' part of the switch statement, you could do a check on mtime (but that would require the extra column) :-(
01:53:22 [davb]
Argh: the admin contact for that domain has a bogus email address in it...
01:53:43 [vinod]
doh!
01:54:17 [davb]
Oh well, its not mine... I'll just let them know and have them battle with NetSol themselves.
01:55:23 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax catches up
01:56:14 [Psychephylax]
net-sol boooo
01:56:16 [Psychephylax]
Vinod yay!
01:56:49 [davb]
brb
01:56:54 [Psychephylax]
back be right?
01:57:00 [vinod]
how's the scuba diving goin? :-)
01:57:34 [Psychephylax]
it rocks
01:57:59 [Psychephylax]
I need to find a dive shop around me who can set me up with a good respectable instructor who can certify me in SSI and PADI
01:58:13 [vinod]
server-side-include?
01:58:20 [vinod]
* vinod knows nothing about scuba
01:58:33 [Psychephylax]
no
01:58:51 [Psychephylax]
Scuba Schools International
01:59:03 [vinod]
ahhh
01:59:36 [Psychephylax]
See, there's like a few dozen of these associations that can grant you a c-card (c = certification) for scuba diving
02:00:09 [Psychephylax]
YMCA, PADI, SSI, NAUI...etc
02:00:36 [Psychephylax]
Except like a bunch of them (recently) decided to come together and standarddize their c-cards...so YMCA is part of SSI now
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02:02:44 [davb]
Psychephylax: can you dive around there?
02:03:58 [Psychephylax]
and if I find a dive shop that can set me up with an instructor who can give me 2 C-Cards (one for SSI and one for PADI) I am all set
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02:03:58 [Psychephylax]
yeah
02:03:58 [Psychephylax]
I just have to have a thicker wetsuit or a drysuit (mad money for those)
02:05:30 [Psychephylax]
Supposedly there is some great wreck diving around here
02:05:54 [davb]
cool
02:05:59 [Psychephylax]
yeah
02:06:27 [Psychephylax]
I'm worried about the temperatures here and the visibility of water is kinda low
02:06:50 [Psychephylax]
that and if you surface in the wrong spot you can easily get run over
02:08:19 [vinod]
ouch!
02:08:49 [Psychephylax]
yup
02:09:13 [Psychephylax]
That's what the underwater navigation course is for
02:09:28 [Psychephylax]
I like it...
02:10:05 [Psychephylax]
You can "specialize" in things but basically it's just making an x (I think 2-6) dives with an instructor to practice that specialty
02:10:23 [Psychephylax]
Like to specialize in "Boat Diving" you make 2 boat dives and you're set
02:10:23 [Psychephylax]
hehe
02:10:53 [Psychephylax]
technically if I had my certification already I'd be a boat diver since I made 2 dives off a boat
02:14:47 [Psychephylax]
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02:15:01 [davb]
vinod: I think the best solution is to add the column and make a package param for filesystem or database...
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02:16:23 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. It appears we will be having something of a mass restart in order to resolve some problems. Unfortunately, it appears we can't put it off. Apologies.
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hi loggy
02:25:53 [davb]
where's chump?
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02:42:15 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. As near as we can tell, we have managed to purge the problem configuration from all servers. Bug reports have been filed and we'll tiptoe a bit until we have that bug fixed. Thanks.
02:44:16 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] To recap, something of an emergency was created by a bug in a dynamic configuration line. We restarted all of the servers to avoid having, uh, random restarts until our next software upgrade. Things should be taken care of and we think we can probably avoid problems until the next upgrade. Thanks.
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05:07:04 [rbm]
umpalumpa?
05:07:18 [umpalumpa]
yo...
05:07:36 [umpalumpa]
know anything about emacs and cvs?
05:10:25 [umpalumpa]
guess not... I will share anyway.
05:10:45 [umpalumpa]
edit a file under cvs control in emacs, save it, close emacs.
05:11:25 [umpalumpa]
come back to it the next day to continue, furrow brow when emacs says "buffer is read only"
05:11:54 [umpalumpa]
resort to vi if it's a small change, commit changes other wise.
05:12:13 [umpalumpa]
dispare at the state of cvs repository... :-(
05:22:35 [rbm]
I've used emacs with cvs.
05:24:11 [rbm]
You're saying that you left emacs open and the next day the buffer was read-only+?
05:24:21 [rbm]
Was this after you did a cvs update?
05:24:32 [rbm]
DId somebody commit another version while you were asleep?
05:25:30 [umpalumpa]
no, I closed emacs, that's the only time this happens. I am the only one editing these files.
05:26:04 [umpalumpa]
everything is standard, nothing fancy, no tricks.
05:26:24 [umpalumpa]
I think people must just sit and code until they'r ecompletely happy... I am fickle...
05:28:20 [rbm]
What are the permissions on the file?
05:29:28 [umpalumpa]
rw-rw-r -- i am ther owner and in the group. the directories have the group s-bit set.
05:30:26 [umpalumpa]
i can edit the file again if I commit, i can edit in vi without commiting. i am just not ready to commit :-)
05:30:51 [rbm]
What happens when you try to commit+?
05:31:17 [umpalumpa]
i am a cvs weenie, I don't know what that is. what does it do?
05:31:39 [rbm]
jabber
05:31:41 [rbm]
oops
05:32:33 [rbm]
umpalumpa: What does _what_ do?
05:33:46 [umpalumpa]
er commit+... if I commit 'cvs commit my-file.tcl' it asks for a message, I give it one, it commits, I continue to edit the file. I think I missed something...
05:35:08 [rbm]
Oh :-) I meant "commit". The "+" was a typo.
05:35:32 [umpalumpa]
cvs++ maybe...
05:35:53 [rbm]
So your problem happens only in emacs?
05:36:03 [umpalumpa]
yep, just emacs
05:37:18 [rbm]
How are you committing from within emacs?
05:37:42 [umpalumpa]
it looks like emacs notices that on opening the file from the file system it is newer than the one in the repository (it looks in the .CVS directory etc.) and thinks I shouyld update or commit. I just want to turn that feature off...
05:37:57 [umpalumpa]
oh, I am dropping to the shell to commit etc.
05:38:06 [umpalumpa]
just editing in emacs.
05:38:08 [rbm]
There it is. You shouldn't do that.
05:38:20 [rbm]
You should commit right from within emacs.
05:38:20 [umpalumpa]
but I don't want to commit!
05:38:55 [umpalumpa]
i have not finnished making changes, I will be commiting broken code
05:38:56 [rbm]
When you open a file in Emacs, if it's under CVS, it only shows you the version. It won't stop you from editing the file.
05:39:18 [rbm]
Okay. Let me back off then.
05:39:37 [umpalumpa]
no no, I'm sure it's me that's being a fool...
05:39:50 [rbm]
You have a CVS repository. You open any file and emacs tells you that you can't write to it?
05:40:41 [umpalumpa]
Here's what I do: I checkout a working version of the project, from the shell. I open a file in the normal manner with emacs, make changes, save, close emacs, have lunch.
05:41:09 [umpalumpa]
if I open the file again, emacs says it is read only. vi will edit the file, it is not read only.
05:41:30 [umpalumpa]
if i commit my unfinnished changes, emacs will allow me to edit the file once again.
05:41:31 [rbm]
Weird. I've never had that happen to me. It doesn't make any sense.
05:41:43 [umpalumpa]
nah, to me neither...
05:41:47 [rbm]
url?
05:41:54 [rbm]
nevermind. wrong window
05:41:54 [umpalumpa]
fo rehat?
05:41:58 [umpalumpa]
oh
05:42:27 [rbm]
The only thing I could think of is some emacs module trying to do something for you.
05:42:55 [umpalumpa]
I tried emacs -nw -q --no-site-file my-file.tcl
05:43:29 [umpalumpa]
maybe I should just try upgrading emacs and cvs etc...
05:44:50 [rbm]
What emacs are you running?
05:45:20 [umpalumpa]
20.1 It's a RedHat 6.1 machine, cvs is at 1.10.6 -- I don't recall updating anything...
05:45:34 [umpalumpa]
oops, 20.4
05:45:57 [rbm]
Red Hat 6.1 is dangerous....
05:46:50 [umpalumpa]
it's just an internal dev machine, I try to leave it alone and not mess with it, a known stability. At least, that's the idea.
05:47:42 [umpalumpa]
maybe some upgrading is in order though...
05:50:19 [rbm]
I don't know what to tell you.
05:50:54 [rbm]
With time, improvements are made to programs. If you stay in the leading edge, instead of bleeding edge, you should be better off than in the ancient edge
05:52:03 [umpalumpa]
:-) yeah, I will stop whining and get off my lazy ass and do something about it. maybe.
05:52:07 [umpalumpa]
thanks.
05:53:29 [rbm]
Install Debian and you won't have this problem.
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woot
06:34:13 [rbm]
well, I can't get to rjr's server.
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13:02:02 [ola]
good morning Psychephylax.
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13:25:00 [ola]
howdy markd2.
13:26:02 [markd2]
good afternoon
13:27:47 [ola]
sheesh! alpha2 is out.
13:46:27 [markd2]
huzzah!
13:46:34 [markd2]
off to get some exercise. bbl
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13:54:00 [ola]
hi davb.
13:54:25 [davb]
hi
14:24:40 [Psychephylax]
bah
14:44:21 [Psychephylax]
midgets?
14:47:54 [ola]
yes giant, what do you want?
14:49:35 [Psychephylax]
rofl
14:49:44 [Psychephylax]
Just asking
14:56:19 [Psychephylax]
Cool!
14:56:20 [Psychephylax]
It works
14:58:29 [Psychephylax]
Is there a way to create a custom default link menu (like at openacs.com) that does not change?
14:59:20 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax waves a cookie
14:59:23 [Psychephylax]
Mark you awake?
14:59:41 [davb]
he might be, but he's not connected to IRC :)
15:00:05 [davb]
Put it in the master template.
15:00:23 [Psychephylax]
ok, but can I do it conditionally?
15:00:26 [davb]
and link all your other templates to the master template.
15:00:29 [Psychephylax]
like I want 3 diff nav bars
15:00:59 [Psychephylax]
If it's a user he can only do 3 things
15:01:05 [davb]
have one master, 3 little templates with the actual navbars. master.tcl figures out which one and passes it to master.adp
15:01:07 [Psychephylax]
if it's a supervisor/manager he can do 7
15:01:21 [Psychephylax]
Explain
15:01:23 [davb]
hang on...
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15:03:40 [davb]
use ad_navbar to build the navbar in the master.tcl
15:03:57 [davb]
i.e. set navbvar [ad_navbar params]
15:04:08 [davb]
then in your adp do %navbar%
15:04:10 [davb]
http://developer.arsdigita.com/api-doc/proc-view?proc=ad%5fnavbar
15:04:11 [chump]
A: http://developer.arsdigita.com/api-doc/proc-view?proc=ad%5fnavbar from davb
15:04:15 [Psychephylax]
I don't have a master.tcl
15:04:16 [davb]
A:|Docs to ad_navbar
15:04:16 [chump]
titled item A
15:04:30 [davb]
Make one. or do it in each page...
15:04:40 [davb]
Will these links be common across all the pages?
15:04:46 [Psychephylax]
yes
15:04:56 [davb]
Then I recommend using a master.tcl/adp
15:05:01 [Psychephylax]
ok
15:05:09 [Psychephylax]
I have a default-master.tcl/adp
15:05:25 [davb]
model it after that.
15:05:35 [davb]
it doesn't matter what its called. call it bob.
15:06:34 [davb]
then do <master src="bob"> in the other templates.
15:06:55 [Psychephylax]
i'm a bit confused
15:07:04 [Psychephylax]
in my master.adp I do ad_navbar?
15:07:05 [markd2]
<master piece="theater">
15:07:21 [davb]
master.tcl
15:07:22 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax gives mark a cookie
15:08:14 [Psychephylax]
ok,
15:08:18 [Psychephylax]
so now i need to define the links?
15:09:11 [davb]
like this: set navbar [ad_navbar "link" "link_title" etc...]
15:09:26 [Psychephylax]
ok
15:11:16 [ola]
Psychephylax: you can search for "nav" in the API Browser at /api-doc ...
15:11:43 [Psychephylax]
yeah I did
15:11:49 [Psychephylax]
it shows me the same stuff dave pasted
15:12:23 [Psychephylax]
but it doesn't say if it wants full links like <a href=...> or just index or /snmp/www/index
15:12:26 [davb]
master.tcl will have to determine what type of user the user is and create the navbar accordingly.
15:12:40 [Psychephylax]
Right, I am working on that :)
15:12:48 [davb]
like this "/stuff/bob"
15:13:01 [davb]
relative to the site root.
15:13:07 [davb]
(i think)
15:13:29 [Psychephylax]
ok
15:13:33 [davb]
actually all it does is stuff whatever is "link" in an a href="$link"
15:13:41 [davb]
so whatever you put is what you get :)
15:14:43 [Psychephylax]
ok
15:15:25 [Psychephylax]
ok
15:15:30 [Psychephylax]
I did the tcl part (i hope)
15:15:36 [Psychephylax]
now I need to stick it into the adp page?
15:15:49 [Psychephylax]
It goes into master.adp?
15:16:00 [davb]
yes.
15:16:15 [Psychephylax]
is it @navbar@ or %navbar%?
15:16:23 [davb]
@navbar@
15:16:30 [davb]
look at the default-master.adp
15:16:41 [davb]
you need the <slave> for where the other template will go.
15:17:54 [Psychephylax]
I take it I did this wrong --> if {(ad_permission_p $package_id manager) || (ad_permission_p $package_id supervisor)} {
15:19:02 [davb]
you have ( where you need [
15:19:21 [Psychephylax]
ah
15:20:48 [Psychephylax]
wow
15:20:51 [Psychephylax]
love the nav bar
15:20:56 [Psychephylax]
[|]
15:21:19 [davb]
You can right your own spiffy navbar proc...
15:21:28 [davb]
s/right/write
15:23:40 [Psychephylax]
yeah right
15:25:18 [Psychephylax]
hmmmmm
15:25:39 [Psychephylax]
i'm getting the hang of it
15:25:58 [Psychephylax]
but how do I make it separate the stuff
15:29:03 [Psychephylax]
hmmmm
15:29:18 [davb]
not sure, its HTML, compresses whitespace. you can use a &nbsp; to insert a space.
15:29:35 [davb]
or make a little table. that would require a new navbar proc.
15:29:52 [markd2]
you can use an image of a 1x1 invisible gif
15:30:00 [markd2]
and stretch it to the width / height you need
15:30:43 [Psychephylax]
aha
15:31:12 [davb]
ola: I wonder if keeping the content in the database for static pages is better if you want to template it...
15:31:21 [ola]
I'm trying to make the system recognise (and load) a library file but it refuses...
15:31:22 [Psychephylax]
i got it
15:31:31 [davb]
ola: what is it called?
15:31:48 [ola]
bla-procs.tcl
15:31:50 [davb]
can only be package-name-init.tcl or package-name-procs.tcl
15:32:03 [davb]
it also I think needs to be mentioned in the info file.
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15:32:10 [davb]
but I could be making that part up :)
15:32:47 [davb]
Psychephylax: us a 1 pixel gif the color of the background. Never plan for the future I always say!
15:32:59 [ola]
davb: why would the db be a better place for the content?
15:33:24 [davb]
If you needed to fiddle around with it to template it...as always, I could be wrong.
15:33:49 [ola]
ok
15:33:56 [davb]
I need to trick ola and Steve Woodcock into maintaining the static-pages package... oops thinking aloud again
15:34:08 [ola]
hehe
15:35:04 [Psychephylax]
Why would I want a 1 pixel gif of the background color?
15:35:22 [davb]
so that when the background changes all the gifs will magically appear...
15:35:32 [markd2]
to guarantee so you will stick to your original design
15:35:38 [davb]
heh
15:35:50 [Psychephylax]
i don't get it
15:36:05 [davb]
message to davb: joke failed...
15:36:34 [Psychephylax]
ok
15:36:42 [markd2]
alert! alert!
15:36:42 [markd2]
* markd2 tries distracting spork
15:36:42 [markd2]
so, how about them squirrel nut zippers?
15:36:53 [Psychephylax]
Psychephylax is now known as Sporkiephylax
15:37:01 [davb]
ola: steve has a patch for static-pages that adds a column to the static-pages table for the modified time so that it doesn't say the file is modified every time.
15:37:02 [Sporkiephylax]
I got a question
15:37:07 [davb]
SNZ are cool.
15:37:17 [markd2]
I've got 'Hot' on the CD player now
15:37:34 [Sporkiephylax]
How do I not show the nav bar on only one page but on all others?
15:37:39 [davb]
I need to get some on them. They were on the radio a couple of years ago.
15:37:49 [davb]
Use a different master template without the navbar.
15:37:57 [Sporkiephylax]
how do I do that?
15:38:10 [Sporkiephylax]
can't I just check in the tcl page what page I'm at now?
15:38:50 [davb]
Then you are hard coding in the template...
15:39:03 [Sporkiephylax]
heh ok, I'll do it the better way
15:39:05 [davb]
better to just make master2.tcl/adp without the navbar and point the page to it.
15:41:08 [Sporkiephylax]
so how do I tell the adp page to use a diff template?
15:41:22 [Sporkiephylax]
i ass-u-me it's gotta do something with the <master> tag
15:42:08 [Sporkiephylax]
* Sporkiephylax wanders over ot the aolserver page
15:42:15 [ola]
davb: cool!
15:42:36 [davb]
Sporkiephylax: yes, you can have as many masters as you like.
15:42:52 [ola]
* ola begins to feel the pressure to contribute something too...
15:43:22 [davb]
I want to add a package parameter to specify database or filesystem storage but I am not sure if its the right way,
15:43:53 [davb]
that also requires adding the other option to the Oracle and PG versions...
15:44:09 [Sporkiephylax]
odd
15:44:20 [Sporkiephylax]
there's not much on how to call different templates
15:45:41 [markd2]
the aolserver page wouldn't have anything on it
15:45:45 [markd2]
since it's an ACS thing
15:46:59 [Sporkiephylax]
Aha!
15:47:01 [davb]
Sporkiephylax: you can also include templates in other templates....
15:47:07 [Sporkiephylax]
nah, I got it
15:47:11 [davb]
just to confuse you a little more
15:47:33 [Sporkiephylax]
you must do master src="mark_and_dave_get_cookies"> and it works
15:50:36 [Sporkiephylax]
Is it better to have nav bars at the top or bottom of a page?
15:51:27 [davb]
probably top, its always in the same place no matter what size browser window you have.
15:52:01 [Sporkiephylax]
true
15:52:26 [davb]
I hate access....
15:55:30 [davb]
whats not equal in SQL?
15:56:26 [markd2]
<>
15:56:30 [davb]
thanks
15:56:35 [markd2]
http://designforcommunity.com/display.cgi/200111182101
15:56:35 [chump]
B: http://designforcommunity.com/display.cgi/200111182101 from markd2
15:56:48 [markd2]
B:| Killing your community for the betterment of your community
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titled item B
15:56:59 [markd2]
B: Sometimes killing the thing you love is the best thing for it.
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commented item B
15:57:32 [davb]
That should directly linked to from godwinslaw.com
16:01:18 [Sporkiephylax]
you know
16:06:58 [Sporkiephylax]
Is it <align=center> or <center> to put something in the center?
16:07:30 [davb]
<center>
16:07:34 [davb]
</center>
16:07:52 [davb]
unless its in a table cell, then you can do <td align="center">
16:08:38 [Sporkiephylax]
Excellent
16:31:08 [Sporkiephylax]
* Sporkiephylax tries to entice Mark with a cookie
16:32:16 [markd2]
* markd2 wakes up
16:32:59 [Sporkiephylax]
I'm creating a sequence in a snmp-create.sql
16:33:06 [Sporkiephylax]
Do I need to add a /
16:33:46 [Sporkiephylax]
Or is this: --need a sequence for problem_ids
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create sequence problem_number increment by 1
16:33:48 [Sporkiephylax]
sufficient
16:34:08 [markd2]
yep
16:34:14 [Sporkiephylax]
excellent
16:34:16 [markd2]
and the increment by 1 is redundant
16:35:26 [Sporkiephylax]
eh
16:35:35 [markd2]
create sequence cokie_seq;
16:35:45 [markd2]
alraedy is increment by "1"
16:36:07 [Sporkiephylax]
Not if I bake a batch!
16:37:27 [markd2]
heh
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17:01:11 [Sporkiephylax]
Dave?
17:06:22 [davb]
When will people understand that the author of code can liscense it any way he yes?
17:06:25 [davb]
oop
17:06:27 [davb]
s
17:06:31 [Sporkiephylax]
rofl
17:06:31 [davb]
whats up?
17:06:49 [davb]
I dislike mIRC strongly
17:07:00 [Sporkiephylax]
Does ad_get_user_id fetch the id of the user who's currently browsing?
17:07:23 [Sporkiephylax]
I'm hoping to use that to get the id of the person who requested the page
17:07:45 [davb]
I think so.
17:08:02 [davb]
I think there are different strengh security versions of ad_get_user_id
17:08:44 [Sporkiephylax]
hmm?
17:09:47 [davb]
that was OpenACS 3..
17:09:57 [davb]
it returns the user_id or 0 if he is not logged in.
17:10:24 [Sporkiephylax]
right
17:10:54 [Sporkiephylax]
it just sounds odd
17:11:04 [Sporkiephylax]
How the person can be not logged in?
17:11:52 [davb]
Say I go to the page Sporkiephylax.com/admin/secret_page_only_for_admins directly from a bookmark or soemthing...
17:12:09 [Sporkiephylax]
Ah
17:12:11 [Sporkiephylax]
Gotcha
17:12:20 [davb]
ACS 4 cookies expire after a time also, effectively logging you out.
17:12:37 [davb]
if you are inactive anyway. I think you can configure it though.
17:14:10 [Sporkiephylax]
mmmmm
17:14:11 [Sporkiephylax]
cookies
17:14:23 [Sporkiephylax]
too bad Mark is not here, I'm going to eat them all
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18:40:06 [Sporkiephylax]
Anyone alive?
18:41:23 [davb]
me?
18:42:07 [Sporkiephylax]
you>?
18:42:16 [Sporkiephylax]
Where does the damn ACS thing store e-mail addresses
18:43:24 [davb]
users I think.
18:43:47 [davb]
isn't there a get email proc or something?
18:43:47 [Sporkiephylax]
tried it
18:44:00 [Sporkiephylax]
no, I want to manually alter an e-mail through sqlplus
18:44:18 [Sporkiephylax]
Eh
18:44:20 [Sporkiephylax]
too late
18:44:25 [davb]
ok
18:44:26 [Sporkiephylax]
I have a db problem now
18:44:32 [davb]
oh, sorry.
18:45:28 [davb]
try persons or parties table. its one of those.
18:45:34 [davb]
ad_get_user_info is the proc
18:48:28 [rbm]
hi davb
18:48:38 [rbm]
davb: any news on that adUni CD?
18:49:19 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reconnects
18:49:48 [davb]
rbm: they are done, except the 5th one.
18:50:01 [davb]
They don't have the lectures available for download.
18:50:02 [rbm]
davb: Oh. What's wrong with the 5th one?
18:50:28 [davb]
I had a bad CD. the lectures are in two parts. the second part of the 5th lecture is corrupted and you can't watch it.
18:50:38 [Sporkiephylax]
Dang
18:50:41 [rbm]
:(
18:50:51 [Sporkiephylax]
What's the command for Oracle history?
18:51:00 [davb]
http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~barsky/gifs/bezier.html
18:51:00 [chump]
C: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~barsky/gifs/bezier.html from davb
18:51:08 [rbm]
ora*hist*java*foo
18:51:17 [davb]
C:|Artwork done by Pierre Bézier using Bézier curves
18:51:17 [chump]
titled item C
18:51:44 [Sporkiephylax]
Hmmm?
18:51:51 [rbm]
Sporkiephylax: :)
18:51:55 [Sporkiephylax]
Yes sir?
18:52:15 [rbm]
Sporkiephylax: re: ora*hist*java*foo thingy :)
18:52:40 [rbm]
BTW, I've been using DbVisualizer to develop on ACS 4/Oracle. It's pretty cool.
18:52:43 [davb]
http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2001/11/08/ssh_keystroke.html
18:52:43 [chump]
D: http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2001/11/08/ssh_keystroke.html from davb
18:52:55 [davb]
D:|Time and Tide Wait for No Protocol: The SSH Keystroke Timing Attack of Song, Wagner, and Tian
18:52:55 [chump]
titled item D
18:53:08 [Sporkiephylax]
yeah I don't get it
18:53:58 [rbm]
Oracle apps usually have a * in their name: SQL*Plus, SQL*Net, etc. And they're becoming increasingly java-based.
18:54:54 [Sporkiephylax]
How does this help me find the history of the last x queries I ran in SQL*PLus
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18:55:11 [rbm]
It doesn't. It was a joke, hence the ":)"
18:55:18 [rbm]
I don't know how to see the history in sqlplus
18:55:50 [rbm]
DbVisualizer gives you a history though.
18:58:17 [Sporkiephylax]
ok
18:58:20 [Sporkiephylax]
here's a diff question for you
18:58:26 [Sporkiephylax]
You know about deferred stuff?
18:59:23 [Sporkiephylax]
* Sporkiephylax pokes Roberto with an ORacle book
19:01:47 [til]
Sporkiephylax: do you mean deferred in the ad_set_client_property stuff?
19:02:02 [Sporkiephylax]
no
19:02:07 [Sporkiephylax]
I'm having the following problem
19:02:12 [Sporkiephylax]
I have a self referencing table
19:02:21 [Sporkiephylax]
And I obviously can't insert stuff into it
19:02:30 [Sporkiephylax]
since it has to reference something before hand
19:03:51 [rbm]
Sporkiephylax: Oh. I've read about that, but I don't remember how to set it.
19:04:08 [rbm]
oradoc.photo.net is your friend
19:04:22 [Sporkiephylax]
i'm going to read the sql for web nerds thing now
19:12:21 [Sporkiephylax]
i need Mark :(
19:15:41 [davb]
ving the following problem
19:15:41 [davb]
<Sporkiephylax> I have a self referencing table
19:15:41 [davb]
<Sporkiephylax> And I obviously can't insert stuff into it
19:15:41 [davb]
<Sporkiephylax> since it has to re
19:15:45 [davb]
ack
19:15:52 [davb]
http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200002/df20000210.jpg
19:15:52 [chump]
E: http://www.ibiblio.org/Dave/Dr-Fun/df200002/df20000210.jpg from davb
19:20:24 [Sporkiephylax]
anyone how to drop a nont null constraint from oracle?
19:33:47 [davb]
nope
19:36:04 [davb]
I don;t see a drop constraint
19:38:05 [davb]
MODIFY CONSTRAINT lets you change the state of an existing constraint named constraint.
19:38:16 [davb]
ALTER TABLE MODIFY CONTRAINST
19:38:37 [davb]
http://oradoc.photo.net/ora817/DOC/
19:40:33 [Sporkiephylax]
yeah I knew that
19:40:41 [Sporkiephylax]
apparently it did it on it's own
19:40:51 [Sporkiephylax]
It's not a named constraint
19:41:02 [Sporkiephylax]
And when I recreated the table it made it again
19:44:03 [davb]
spiffy
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19:44:29 [Sporkiephylax]
Mark!!!
19:44:34 [Sporkiephylax]
* Sporkiephylax gives Mark a cookie
19:44:41 [Sporkiephylax]
Sporkiephylax is now known as Cookiephylax
19:44:48 [markd2]
greets
19:44:52 [markd2]
* markd2 just got back from C++ tutoring
19:45:01 [davb]
what fun!
19:48:05 [markd2]
luckily I'm the tutor-or, not the tutor-ee
19:50:54 [davb]
Thats good.
20:05:56 [Cookiephylax]
heh
20:05:58 [Cookiephylax]
sorry
20:06:04 [Cookiephylax]
my senior boss came by
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Señor Boss
20:07:54 [Cookiephylax]
He liked my stuph
20:11:42 [davb]
cool
20:12:07 [Cookiephylax]
weeeird
20:12:14 [Cookiephylax]
I hate un-explainable bugs
20:14:07 [markd2]
is it reproducible?
20:16:18 [Cookiephylax]
yeah
20:18:36 [markd2]
then it's dead
20:18:43 [markd2]
the truly hard problems are the intermittent ones
20:19:09 [Cookiephylax]
Well
20:19:13 [Cookiephylax]
I have 2 MAC addresses
20:19:17 [Cookiephylax]
1 works, 1 doesn't
20:19:42 [markd2]
two interface cards?
20:19:48 [Cookiephylax]
no
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20:49:41 [markd2]
http://www.dictionaraoke.org/music/theformeryugoslavia-bohemian_rhapsody.mp3
20:49:41 [chump]
F: http://www.dictionaraoke.org/music/theformeryugoslavia-bohemian_rhapsody.mp3 from markd2
20:49:47 [markd2]
F:|Bohemian Rhapsody
20:49:48 [chump]
titled item F
20:50:00 [markd2]
F: Modern Cover of Queen's Bohemian Rhapsody
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commented item F
21:04:01 [Cookiephylax]
well
21:04:07 [Cookiephylax]
I found out why it no workie
21:04:12 [markd2]
yay!
21:04:26 [Cookiephylax]
uh huh
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21:20:55 [Cookiephylax]
grrrr
21:21:03 [Cookiephylax]
I must have broken something
21:28:31 [markd2]
the trrrricorder must be brrrroken
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21:30:07 [docwolf]
ugh, my head.
21:33:10 [markd2]
another hangover?
21:35:25 [docwolf]
ugh
21:35:31 [docwolf]
i'm too old to stay up all night.
21:36:36 [Cookiephylax]
ouchies
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bye
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hi
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22:17:53 [markd2]
hello
22:19:43 [Cookiephylax]
hi
22:19:49 [Cookiephylax]
Here's a trippy question for ya
22:20:17 [Cookiephylax]
(Was about to write "Say you..." but realized that mark would just do it)
22:20:28 [Cookiephylax]
Imagine you have this type of a thing:
22:20:30 [Cookiephylax]
1
22:20:30 [Cookiephylax]
2
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3
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4
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And 3 depends on something being on (your computer for example)
22:21:03 [Cookiephylax]
How can it crap out at 2 and not 3 even though you can still do 2 but not 3
22:23:41 [markd2]
heh
22:23:58 [markd2]
hmmm
22:24:03 [markd2]
I don't deal well with abstractions after 5pm
22:25:23 [Cookiephylax]
me neither
22:27:44 [Cookiephylax]
me go home
22:27:49 [markd2]
nite
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