00:00:14 was this the great anti^H^H^H^H social? 00:03:39 I meant here, alot of people are logged in, appartenly still asleep though. 00:04:00 ah 00:04:11 I've gotten one thwapaphylax 00:04:25 and the obligatory connect/disconnect messages from aaronsw 00:04:38 thwap 00:04:45 heh 00:04:59 figured you'd hear your name 00:05:01 and reappear, Kibo style 00:05:19 Actually, i'd been reading #openacs before then 00:05:21 * AaronSw is looking for Disk Copy >= 6.4 00:05:41 hey - have you used netalk on a linux box, and connected to it from os/x? 00:05:53 I'm working on that now, with no joy 00:06:21 Nope, sorry. 00:06:38 * markd2 returns to the nose grinder 00:07:05 * Psychephylax thwaps© davb 00:07:19 chump has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 00:07:40 aigh 00:07:42 hu 00:07:43 hi 00:08:26 hu hi ho? 00:09:26 Psychephylax: did you go on your trip? 00:15:11 yeah 00:19:24 Roll call! 00:20:01 dinner rolls! 00:20:12 Mmmm@! 00:20:25 I almost got arrested :-< 00:20:32 LOL 00:20:59 it's not funny 00:21:23 I knew that "I *heart* Bin-ladin" T-Shirt would be bad news 00:21:48 lol no 00:21:53 it was a folding knife in my pocket 00:22:53 * markd2 sighs 00:23:04 i brought it with me by total freakish accident 00:23:05 balloons are also forbidden from airplanes 00:23:17 and little cross-stitch needles are banned as well 00:23:32 although if you have a black-belt in Imgonnagetchu, you're welcome to board the plane 00:23:33 it's nuts 00:23:40 lol 00:23:42 Yeah tell me about it 00:27:01 Psychephylax has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 00:29:57 chump (~chump@alb-66-24-204-217.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 00:32:14 * davb goes to play games, see ya all tomorrow! 00:32:17 davb has quit ("I'm too lame to make a quit message") 00:33:15 Psychephylax (proxy@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 00:33:27 hi? 00:33:55 'lo 00:34:14 heh 00:34:16 lost service 00:35:00 Anyone here a certified scuba diver? 00:36:01 chump has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 00:39:11 abbaJ (jabba@adsl-65-65-97-132.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 00:41:18 not I 00:54:36 Dang 00:54:40 Have you ever gone? 00:54:45 nope 00:54:53 Bah! 00:54:55 You have to try it 00:55:11 do the masks fit over glasses? 00:55:18 no 00:55:22 I had to take mine off 00:55:25 :) 00:55:29 All I'd be able to see would be the end of my nose 00:55:32 * markd2 is *quite* nearsighted 00:55:33 heh 00:55:37 so am I 00:56:03 I can't read the text on this monitor if I take my glasses off unless it's like font size 20+ 00:56:39 my bad 00:56:45 Unless it's 72 and it's still blurry 00:57:43 Underwater you see better 00:57:51 I need a 200 point size ot see 00:57:58 without glasses 00:57:58 (really!) 00:58:04 -14 diopter correction 00:58:12 and at 200 it's blurry 00:59:05 damn 00:59:26 Well, I was going to say 01:00:23 If you get into scuba diving and don't like contacts, they can make a mask for you that has a corrective glass so you're back to 20/20 or whatever you want 01:00:38 * markd2 ponders the cost 01:00:47 my glasses are like $350 01:00:52 heh 01:01:01 super-duper high density resin 01:01:05 if they were glass, they'd crush my nose 01:01:08 I'm considering that if I get my scuba diving certificate 01:01:25 I have those 01:01:29 they're thin 01:01:53 heh. mine are still thick :-) 01:01:53 They're more expensive than the plain plastic corrective lenses because they're like 1/3 thin 01:02:06 that sucks 01:02:15 the ultimate in the refractive lenses don't come in my perscription 01:02:24 the opto was going on and on about how good it was, then said "oops, sorry. not yet" 01:02:49 you ever considered lasik surgery? 01:03:43 arrgh 01:03:43 no way 01:03:51 why? 01:03:54 nobody comin' *near* my eyes with no damn laser 01:04:01 lol 01:04:15 yeah I'm waiting until it's a lot more common 01:04:41 and to see what the longer-range behavior is 01:04:54 like what happens to folks as the eyes get older with that treatment 01:05:08 near blindness I can handle. total blindness.... no thanks 01:05:56 right 01:06:08 Well, you can still scuba dive 01:06:13 You might need a guide :) 01:06:26 and a big white cane 01:06:30 with flippers 01:06:40 I had to get within 5 inches of things to see them well enough 01:07:01 If you see a dark hunk of stuff don't swim faster :) 01:07:11 hi all 01:07:18 hiya 01:07:34 hi docwolf 01:07:42 Are you a certified scuba diver? 01:07:58 no, i'm not even an uncertified one. 01:08:18 hehe 01:09:25 hmm... looks like human cloning works. 01:09:57 cool 01:10:08 i'm trying to figure out exactly what they did 01:10:23 Mark, since I'm lacking good vision I took pictures underwater when I went scuba diving 01:11:05 cool 01:11:07 any online? 01:11:29 Not the underwater ones 01:11:39 those were on old-skool film 01:11:56 Had to send them to get developed and on a Kodak cd too 01:12:05 29th I should get them back 01:12:15 heh "kodak CD" and "old-skool" in the same thought 01:12:15 i really hope they come out well 01:12:26 hmm? 01:12:47 just amused at Today's Youth :-) 01:12:53 heh 01:12:57 Hey it's all digital 01:12:58 :) 01:13:01 as I sit here wrestling with netatalkd 01:13:35 psyche: you used real film?? gasp. 01:13:45 Well, anyhoo, when they get developed I'll put them up on the web 01:13:59 cool 01:14:09 I found three mystery rolls of film as I cleaned up my desk 01:14:11 we just got them back 01:14:17 alas nothing exciting 01:14:34 nothing blackmail worthy? 01:14:37 well, save for that one of docwolf in a grass skirt holding that liter of Rumblemintz 01:14:56 haha 01:14:58 heh 01:17:06 ugh... looks like afghanistan is getting crazier by the minute. 01:17:34 that whole "prison riot" story is insane. 01:19:02 which one's that? 01:19:10 * markd2 was at a gig this afternoon and missed it 01:19:30 like near 1000 taliban surrendered 01:19:41 and were taken to a fort used as a POW camp 01:19:48 (the fort was like 1 sq. kilometer) 01:19:55 apparently, these dudes weren't searched too well 01:20:02 because many were carrying weapons 01:20:12 so.. once inside the fort, they decided to go postal 01:20:22 ooof 01:20:26 and there was a massive battle. 01:20:30 1 american dead so far. 01:20:35 :-( 01:20:39 my brother-in-law is over there 01:20:44 double :-( 01:20:50 what service? 01:20:53 Maines 01:20:57 he's an NBC specialist 01:21:00 yikes 01:21:21 well, it looks like the american that was killed was CIA (!) 01:21:29 wow 01:21:30 anyway, what was so insane about this battle is 01:21:32 once it started 01:21:38 like all hell broke loose 01:21:42 the entire facility was in anarchy 01:21:53 and apparently the order came down to just eliminate everyone. 01:21:54 so... 01:22:06 _airstrikes_ were called in against the dudes who were rebelling (!) 01:22:13 picture that! 01:22:14 sweet 01:22:20 9 airstrikes total 01:22:29 that must have been some insane shit for our guys inside 01:22:42 directing the airstrikes like 200 yards away from their position 01:22:58 it is like a game of half-life or something 01:23:28 so anyway... i think all the taliban inside the fort were killed. 01:23:31 like 800 or so. 01:23:38 whoa. Japanese naval vessels 01:23:51 but the real problem is that it's going to be difficult for anyone to accept surrendering taliban from now on 01:24:19 I know I'll be double-checking any Taliban that surrender to me 01:24:27 haha 01:28:46 man 01:29:00 It's 9:30 in RD and I'm tired already by NY time 01:36:49 I'm always tired 01:38:15 heh 01:42:21 wtf 01:42:34 I just tried pinging my computer at work 01:42:51 And they did something to the DNS because my ip is no longer lucy.eng.cv.net 01:43:06 but bimbo.eng.cv.net and I don't even know if I still have a desk there 01:49:56 bimbo? 01:51:16 yeah 01:51:31 I guess they were cleaning the DNS entries 02:11:42 anyone awake? 02:12:44 hi 02:13:19 hey 02:13:36 Stupid question but what's a 550 error code for email? 02:14:08 550 is relaying denied (I think) 02:14:26 no 02:14:31 It's mailbox not available 02:14:35 And I figured out why 02:15:31 I set up a .vacation before I left 02:15:38 someone sent me spoofed mail 02:15:52 and the reply was bounced to me with a 550 02:16:56 ah 02:17:19 :/ 02:22:53 talli (~talli@user-uive9fm.dsl.mindspring.com) has joined #openacs 02:26:26 * Psychephylax thwaps© talli 02:27:32 * talli refers Psychephylax to the decades of prior art with regards to the use of "thwap" in cartoons 02:27:54 * talli then quickly and viciously gives Psychephylax a falloosh to his groin. 02:32:03 ouchies 02:32:44 talli has quit ("Peace & Protection 4.00 FINAL BETA") 02:35:35 * Psychephylax goes to bed 02:57:10 AaronSw is now known as DanC2 02:57:50 DanC2 is now known as AaronSw 04:00:36 http://smc.keenspace.com/d/20011125.html 04:00:43 no chump?!? 04:00:46 * markd2 sighs 04:10:09 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 05:21:51 * AaronSw disconnects 09:01:55 rafa (rafa@pe-200.pc.ee.usyd.edu.au) has joined #openacs 09:02:42 rafa has left #openacs 13:37:43 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 13:39:41 davb (~dave@mail.perb.state.ny.us) has joined #openacs 13:41:06 davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS | Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org 13:57:04 hi dave. 13:58:08 hi 13:59:05 you know any good screen shot programs? 14:00:41 no really...I haven't needed one lately. I usually just use Alt-PrtScrn in Windows. 14:01:20 ok 14:05:07 argh 14:05:36 looks like the cat unplugged something again :) 14:07:13 hehe 14:10:19 nope. darn. not sure what it is. the hub and cable modem look ok... 14:11:10 at least according to the wife... I guess I'll have to wait until I get home. 14:23:47 djg (~dirk@212.84.246.68) has joined #openacs 14:41:43 http://www.desktoplinux.com/news/NS2419968593.html 14:41:51 argh! 14:42:02 anyway RedHat offers to enhance MS settlement. 14:42:12 doh 14:42:46 Morning. 14:43:22 http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,s%253D1582%2526a%253D18853,00.asp 14:43:22 more on the same 14:45:13 http://www.pcmag.com/article/0,2997,s%253D1493%2526a%253D18493,00.asp 14:45:17 Free OS/2! 14:46:34 I hate work 14:47:34 sorry to hear that. 14:47:38 Eh 14:47:42 it's just the vacation wearing off 14:49:22 that'll do it 14:49:44 Oh, you missed my scuba diving rants 14:58:07 * AaronSw reconnects 15:05:20 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.195.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 15:05:34 Hi Mark 15:05:44 goot morning! 15:07:14 how is it that I get this error: 15:07:16 can't read "available_problems(problem_id)": no such variable 15:07:26 But I definetly have this: 15:07:43 } -properties { 15:07:43 available_problems:multirow 15:07:43 } 15:07:43 15:07:43 db_multirow available_problems problems_select { 15:07:44 select * from incident_map 15:08:20 since it's select * , I have no idea what your columns are 15:08:38 Didn't someone tell me that * takes them all? 15:08:48 it does 15:08:54 but it doesn't tell the person reading the code what they are 15:09:01 heh 15:09:05 plus it's an opportunity for errors to creep in later 15:09:29 * davb nods 15:09:33 SQL> desc incident_map; 15:09:33 Name Null? Type 15:09:33 ----------------------------------------- -------- ---------------------------- 15:09:33 PROBLEM_ID NOT NULL NUMBER(38) 15:09:33 PROBLEM_DESC VARCHAR2(50) 15:09:33 VISIBLE CHAR(1) 15:09:35 SQL> 15:09:57 ok 15:10:05 are you seeing that error in the adp page, or in the tcl page? 15:10:27 ADP 15:10:32 as far as I understand it 15:10:35 ok 15:11:01 and you've got @available_problems.problem_id@ inside of your tag? 15:11:16 vinod (~vinod@216-164-247-62.s2284.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 15:11:21 hi vinod! 15:11:25 15:11:29 hey dave! 15:11:30 15:11:30 @available_problems.problem_id@ 15:11:30 @available_problems.problem_desc@ 15:11:30 15:11:35 Hey vinod 15:11:38 wb Psychephylax! 15:11:49 Thank you thank you! 15:12:10 Psychephylax has changed the topic to: OpenACS | Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org | Scuba Diving is fun! 15:12:18 :) 15:12:38 cool! 15:13:28 Mark, I copied the structure out of my other working page 15:13:50 that shuld work 15:14:02 make sure you don't have an @available_problems.problem_id@ outside of the miultiple tag 15:14:43 aha 15:15:01 Brain not enough coffee 15:15:07 Missing 15:16:11 ah 15:16:20 http://www.students.tut.fi/~tuomov/ion/ - ION another window manager via Sweetcode for markd2 15:16:30 heh 15:16:51 at least that one's not Yet Another Blackbox Clone 15:17:02 did you see the adventures of blogboy? 15:17:07 actually that one is cool. it is geared for all keyboard use. 15:17:13 yes :) 15:17:32 yeah - that reminds me of my blog :-) 15:17:49 current mood: smelly 15:18:09 aha the joys of working at home 15:18:12 nah - you don't change your layout often enough 15:18:32 haha 15:25:25 hmmmm 15:27:50 you want a link that changes based on the state of visible? 15:27:57 Checkbox 15:28:08 if it's visible the box is checked 15:28:17 if it's not visible, the box is unchecked 15:28:47 then you can toggle and hit submit 15:28:53 And it changes the state 15:29:03 ok. 15:29:07 and the thing below is for adding new problems 15:29:54 bear with me, this week is "Remember what ACS is? week" 15:30:33 np 15:30:51 I killed all my brain cells with beer there :) 15:31:14 Ok. so you need to add a checkbox inside the multiple. You need an that sets the checkout one way and an that sets it the other way. 15:31:26 Do you want one submit button for the whole page? 15:32:17 Nah 15:32:19 two will work 15:32:23 can I comment ETP documents? 15:32:31 Hola ola! 15:32:34 * ola is too lazy to check 15:32:39 Tu habla Espaniol muy bien? 15:32:43 Kind of. There is sample code, but I don't know if its official. 15:32:58 Unless its changed lately. 15:33:10 hola Psychephylax. si, si senor 15:34:05 I always mess up Tu = I and Yo = you unless I messed up again 15:34:17 http://openacs.org/sdm/package-repository.tcl?current_entry=FILE%20%2fopenacs%2d4%2fpackages%2fedit%2dthis%2dpage%2ftcl%20etp%2dgc%2etcl&package_id=9 15:34:29 etp-gc.tcl in the tcl directory 15:34:33 Psychephylax: you did:-) 15:34:55 it's tu hablas... 15:34:56 Figures 15:35:06 Heh 15:35:17 Spanish is not my language 15:35:21 did you have a nice trip? 15:35:35 mine neither:-) 15:35:38 Kinda 15:36:39 My car did not start and the hotel is saying the travel agency didn't transfer the funds to them 15:37:05 ack. 15:37:09 Does the adp eq operator compare chars too? 15:37:15 syn. 15:37:52 sure. 15:38:11 or something like that 15:40:22 coolness 15:40:32 heh 15:41:03 ola: let me know how that general comments thing works. I'll need it for my site. 15:41:48 davb: sure thing. I'll probably try it later today. 15:42:38 cool. 15:43:59 how do I bind this checkbox to the specific problem though? 15:44:18 heh. I am looking at computer science books and amazon.com thinks I will like this magazine...:http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005NIPP/ref=pd_mec_a/002-1649289-0226447 15:44:55 Psychephylax: I was thinking about that...there is a way to pass a multirow variable back to the tcl page...I just am not sure what it is. 15:45:18 oh 15:45:57 "computer science nerds who bought this technical book also need to look at pictures of scantily clad models" 15:46:03 look in the templating docs 16:06:44 til (tils@port-212-202-128-208.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 16:07:18 hmmm 16:08:02 That check eq 't' does not work right at all 16:10:02 what does it do? 16:10:16 I can't access my server to see my code right now 16:10:19 Depends on what I surround t with 16:10:29 It either checks everything or nothing 16:10:41 weird. 16:10:42 oh 16:10:45 wait 16:10:45 I think I know 16:11:35 Bingo! 16:11:40 I forgot to commit 16:12:16 heh 16:12:30 you've always had problems with commitment 16:12:44 yes yes I did 16:34:46 Where are the templating docs? 16:37:17 vinod has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16:37:34 heh 16:37:44 doc/acs-templating on your server I think 16:38:26 aha 16:38:27 thank you 16:39:05 np 16:50:38 hmm 16:51:26 Is this it? http://167.206.9.143:8080/doc/acs-templating/TclDocs/form.html#template::form::get_combined_values 16:53:25 heh, you have to be admin to look at the docs... hang on, I'll check at aD 16:58:00 I think ad_page_contract will handle it. the template::foo commands are non-standard in ACS. 16:59:17 try something like this: 16:59:37 array 16:59:37 This syntax maps query variables into Tcl arrays. If you specify customfield:array, then query var customfield.foo will translate into the Tcl array entry $customfield(foo). In other words: whatever comes after the dot is used as the key into the array, or, more mathematically: x.y=z => set x(y) z. If you use dot or comma is part of your key (i.e., y above contains comma or dot), then you can easily split on it in your Tcl code. Remember that you can use 16:59:50 in you ad_page_contract as the datasource. 17:00:22 or use a multiple if you can be sure of the order of the data 17:00:40 docwolf has quit () 17:00:52 then you would end up with a list { T F T F ... } 17:01:04 hmmm 17:01:07 * Psychephylax processes 17:06:21 heh, me no understand 17:08:30 I think its like this. to turn your checkboxes into a tcl array name them like this: 17:08:44 name="checkbox.row1" 17:08:44 rbm has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 17:08:50 name="checkbox.row2" 17:08:53 etc... 17:09:04 ok 17:09:10 this turns into checkbox(row1) checkbox(row2) etc... when you specify 17:09:11 i named them diff 17:09:16