01:04:39 quiet here tonight 01:05:36 looks like me & the bots. 01:05:50 http://hello-chump 01:05:51 H: http://hello-chump from docwolf 01:15:09 vinod (~vinod@18.61.1.65) has joined #openacs 01:17:31 hi vinod 01:17:38 looks like its only you, me, and the chump. 01:20:56 davb (dave@alb-66-24-206-3.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 01:21:01 hi vinod 01:21:36 and docwolf 01:21:42 yo 01:26:18 hey all 01:37:37 davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS | Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org 01:40:03 donb (~donb@dsl-dhogaza.pacifier.net) has joined #openacs 01:40:09 Hey, are folks around ... 01:41:09 hey don - i'm in and out... seeing patients 01:41:33 i tried email rbm a couple times about the docs, but i haven't heard back from him 01:41:35 OK ... actually I was hoping Talli's around but I see he's not listed ... 01:41:43 What do you know about XML, vinod? 01:42:09 not too much - i've been reading up on docbook xml stuff 01:42:28 * vinod feels jealous that donb wants talli, not me :-) 01:42:35 That's the big first step we need - the ability to turn the original aD XML docs into HTML and docbook. 01:42:55 hi don 01:42:59 i was able to do that - convert xml to html docs, but not in the pretty format that aD was using 01:43:05 I want talli because I've speeded up the OpenACS 4 Postgres bboard stuff by a shitload, and they can start testing the new site again ... 01:43:12 cool! 01:43:21 not only cool - necessary! 01:43:32 :-) 01:43:51 Well ... for starters it would be nice to get our small alex logo at the top of each page with a nice little header, how hard is that? 01:44:06 Openacs 4? 01:44:22 I chomped on all the .html files before the first alpha and munged alex vs. aD logo by hand. 01:44:24 daveb - yes 01:44:40 oh the docs... 01:45:41 oh the docs, yes, without doubt on the critical path at the moment. 01:45:57 I hope Roberto's OK... 01:46:31 I have visions of INS deporting him for hosting a conference with the well-known anti-American Richard Stallman talking ... 01:48:13 donb: that shouldn't be hard to do - the logo thing 01:48:19 * vinod hopes rbm is ok too 01:49:14 me too. 01:49:50 If you have time could you look into it, Vinod? At minimum I and some others can start with a minimum set of needed changes to those docs. 01:50:09 Also if you'd e-mail me what I need to do to gen HTML and docbooks from the XML I'd appreciate it... 01:50:23 (Don's busy fighting fires and doesn't want to RTFM) 01:50:28 no problem - i'll try to work on that tomorrow 01:50:32 :-) 01:50:40 Thanks a lot ... 01:50:45 reading docs about docs - it gets kinda recursive 01:50:51 Heh ... 01:53:40 Wow a gzip'd pg_dump of openacs.or is 20MB ... 01:59:48 gotta go 01:59:51 davb has quit () 02:03:44 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 02:07:32 vinod (~vinod@18.61.1.65) has joined #openacs 02:10:50 I've got to go, too ... 02:10:52 donb has quit ("changing universes") 02:28:40 * AaronSw disconnects 02:32:01 * AaronSw reconnects 02:50:03 burrrp 02:53:13 too much beer tonight? 02:55:44 chump has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 02:57:00 wow - even chump's too good to hang with us ;-) 03:04:40 markd2 (~markd@r-41.146.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 03:06:11 hey markd2 03:10:34 hey 03:10:49 markd2 has left #openacs 03:10:53 markd2 (~markd@r-41.146.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 03:11:22 yo 03:11:28 man 03:11:30 my head hurts. 03:12:53 perscribe yourself something Potent 03:12:54 oh no, what happened? 03:13:03 Placebo-3 03:13:13 haha 03:13:21 i have been struggling with corporate law all night 03:13:21 markd2: always looking to pump pharmaceuticals 03:14:10 I just gotta be me 03:14:33 ouch. corporate law, that's one of those oxymorons, right? 03:14:39 haha 03:14:50 trying to figure out rules of incorporation in florida. 03:14:54 it is a major headache. 03:15:14 i thought everyone just incorporated in delaware 03:15:23 most people do. 03:15:37 however, each state tries something a little different to get teh corporate biz 03:15:45 florida went off the deep end. 03:15:52 there is effectively no corporate tax here 03:16:15 and the LLC rules are really liberal. even docs can set up an LLC for their group practice. 03:16:27 (effectively shielding all their assets, even if they screw up _huge_ time.) 03:16:34 wow 03:16:54 shadier folk who tend to do business can/do put all of their assets into an LLC to shield them 03:17:09 LLCs rule(tm) 03:17:13 heh 03:17:23 i was reading up on the history of LLCs. 03:17:28 i need to look into this stuff 03:17:38 they were started in germany like 200 years ago 03:17:53 but only recently caught on in south america (!) in the beginning of the 20th century. 03:18:02 and have only been popular in the US over the past 10-15 years. 03:18:25 florida set theirs up to be "similar to south american law".. which must mean.. it's utterly lawless. 03:18:31 heh 03:19:52 i'd recommend the LLC for anyone who has a "consulting firm", if only to protect yourself from malignant clients. 03:20:42 (the other interesting fact about the florida LLC is that it allows the person running it to perform "any type of legal business" under a single LLC. So you can set up docwolf's house of pancakes & pap smears. 03:21:10 the truth about docwolf's business plan comes out 03:21:14 you should set one up in Germany 03:21:15 haha 03:21:17 you can server Luftwaffles 03:21:40 haha. speaking of which... that new wolfenstein game is coming out this week. 03:21:47 i know it's patently offensive to germans 03:21:48 but... 03:21:58 man.. incredible graphics. 03:22:15 I'm just offended it's so different from the original wolfenstein 03:22:20 haha 03:22:25 "heil!" 03:23:00 mmm.. leibframilch. *hic* 03:23:08 haha 03:26:36 hmm.. pringles & fudge stripes 03:26:47 together? 03:27:02 http://www.oddtodd.com 03:27:17 hey, where's the chump? 03:27:54 he gave up on us a while ago 03:30:25 what is a good, small, palm-compatible device 03:30:34 i'm still using my old, original palm pilot 03:30:38 and it is huge. 03:32:06 i have a palm iiixe which is a bit smaller. the palm m500 (?) series is the smallest i think 03:32:22 http://www.blueberryjohnsons.com/home_depot/hdlog.shtml 03:35:48 oh my god 03:35:57 dude... that + oddtodd = our generation 03:36:15 totally directionless... hanging out in large stores all day 03:36:21 yet curiously not buying anything 03:36:21 gimme an 'amen' brotha docwolf 03:36:44 amen to a lost generation 03:37:06 amen (shoulda been a psychiatrist - talk about job security) 03:37:17 haha 03:41:00 i also made a terrible discovery about this state 03:41:09 outside of the governor? 03:41:57 haha. that governor actually did one good thing... abolishing the corporate tax. 03:42:04 but other than that, he's pretty much a putz 03:42:20 the scarier thing about florida 03:42:27 which i'd tried to shut out of my mind 03:42:44 .. flying in over the west coast of florida, i was reminded that most of this state 03:42:45 is swamp 03:43:20 its not even fun like a forest, or hilly or anything 03:43:22 just like DC was! 03:43:27 it's just hundreds of miles of bog 03:53:49 that ex-ad group is getting reallllly randy 03:54:07 is markd2 outta control again? 03:54:13 it had been pretty moribund for awhile 03:54:33 better go check the latest poll 03:55:11 heh. i'd say the results are statistically significant 03:55:21 out of 15 votes, only one gives aD more than a year 03:55:22 Feel free to share :) 03:55:28 Heh 03:55:34 66.67% folding by fall 2002 03:55:51 that long? 03:55:52 that seems to be the consensus 03:56:10 yeah, because they still have some cash, and can keep slashing and burning as necessary. 03:56:25 * vinod frantically calls aD to pull his cash out 03:56:59 haha 04:00:43 Hey Aaron - what was your opinion of your rocketstart box? 04:01:00 It was cool 04:01:08 I wish I still had it. 04:01:22 Why? 04:01:48 I'm trying to convince DocWolf that the linux boxes didn't suck like the solaris rocketstart boxes did 04:03:40 i had some ugly experiences with the solaris box 04:03:43 at my old university 04:03:47 it made me look really bad. 04:04:02 actually, it made aD look _really_ bad 04:04:13 you should have seen the nasty email i was getting from the students who had to use that box 04:04:15 I tried to get the solaris ones up to the linux quality, but got on the wrong side of a sysadmin 04:04:40 the value proposition of the solaris boxes was never clear to me. 04:04:53 anyone who wants solaris is implicitly telling you they are not cheapskates 04:05:00 so... why are we selling them a cheapskate service? 04:05:10 linux, i can understand. that made incredible sense. 04:05:34 I think the idea was a pretty good one. drop some cash, get something running without endlessly dinking with it 04:05:41 the idea was grea 04:05:43 great 04:05:58 although I think philip fell in love with his cute writing on the rocketstart "product" page 04:05:58 but personally, i'd be really nervous about having a non-intel box, especially if I were a cheapskate. 04:06:07 adding 1 gig of RAM to that netra cost $4500 04:06:11 well, and that we had two generates of sysadmin management in that time 04:06:15 damn!! 04:06:48 i still think the linux boxes are a great idea. 04:07:18 i'd love to have someone expertly set up a redhat server for me. 04:07:36 and install oracle, and go through all the incredible BS with the tablespaces, etc.. 04:08:35 sure! I'll do it for $10K :-) 04:08:39 :-) 04:08:54 actually, though, your linux rocketstart boxes would have been perfect for universities. 04:09:16 i'll do it for 5K (not necessarily properly though) 04:09:37 now, of course, setting up PG properly isn't uhhh... a huge challenge :-) 04:09:38 at least Vinod can't kill stuff with a redhat box (unless he tries) 04:09:43 rpm -Uvh postgresql 04:09:54 * vinod looks around suspiciously 04:10:19 heh.. we got those OpenACS 3.2 RPMs down to a science. 04:10:30 I created a db from scratch for the wife's shop. an eduational experience 04:10:36 (oracle, that is) 04:25:30 AaronSw has left #openacs 04:25:56 AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #openacs 04:34:04 markd2 has quit ("must... sleep...") 04:56:21 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 05:58:34 * AaronSw disconnects 09:01:23 AaronSw has quit (niven.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 09:01:59 AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #openacs 09:03:16 [GlobalNotice] Apologies, all. Apparently one of the rotation servers was hubbed to the one we restarted. 10:21:31 [GlobalNotice] Hiya, one little rehub now and then thats it for the evening. Sorry. 11:01:25 AaronSw has quit (niven.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 11:43:50 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 12:18:05 davb (~dave@alb-66-24-206-3.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS 12:29:34 hey davb 12:31:29 my brother's book will soon be online:-) 12:31:55 a few hundred pages of precious content... 12:32:33 ... using OACS4 of course. 12:35:24 now I must figure out how to get our names appear first on a Google search;-) 12:35:58 s/our names/our names to 12:38:54 hi 12:39:06 For? 12:39:18 I am pretty good at search. 12:39:33 http://selfpromotion.com 12:39:39 argh 12:44:02 chump (~chump@alb-66-24-204-217.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 12:44:14 http://selfpromotion.com 12:44:14 A: http://selfpromotion.com from davb 12:44:19 hi chump! 12:44:30 A:|Selfpromotion.com 12:44:30 titled item A 12:44:43 A: Great tools and advice for search engine rankings 12:44:44 commented item A 12:45:21 looks cool. thanks. 12:46:03 Its very useful. I pay them $10 or so a year for access to the really cool tools. 12:46:25 You can stick a page in and it will analyze the keywords etc... including your competitors pages 12:47:37 ok 13:00:38 argh. openfts won't compile 13:01:01 what 13:01:05 s the pr 13:01:07 oblem :) 13:01:14 heh 13:01:44 Did you compile it before? It needs to be able to find all the parts of PG to work. 13:02:08 this is the problem: 13:02:08 [root@hal Search-OpenFTS-tcl-0.2]# make 13:02:09 Makefile:20: Makefile.global: No such file or directory 13:02:09 make: *** No rule to make target `Makefile.global'. Stop. 13:02:20 Oh, that is bad... 13:03:11 did you configure? 13:03:14 the thing is I did "make install-all-headers" AFTER the OACS install... 13:03:19 yes 13:03:23 That is ok so did I. 13:04:07 I'm not sure what the aolserver-path should be... 13:04:31 ALL of my files were in the wrong paths, I had to specify everything... it was fun. 13:05:07 probably to the source, so it can use the aolserver headers. 13:05:55 Makefile.global should be in the OpenFTS directory. 13:06:41 usr/local/src/aolserver-3.3-ad13 or 13:06:49 usr/local/src/aolserver-3.3-ad13/aolserver ? 13:07:20 the second one 13:07:31 ok 13:08:13 there is no Makefile.global in Search-OpenFTS-tcl-0.2/ only a Makefile.global.in 13:10:11 oh... interesting. Your configure must have failed somewhere. I think that builds it...(guessing) 13:10:31 oh. 13:10:45 trying again:-) 13:11:02 check the output of configure to see if it has any error messages in the middle... 13:12:57 there's one warning 13:12:59 checking for Tcl configuration... configure: warning: Can't find Tcl configuration definitions 13:13:24 maybe I need --with-pgsql... 13:15:34 do you have tcl installed by itself? 13:15:52 no. only aolserver 13:16:09 i think you need it. I could be wrong though :) 13:16:44 * ola reads old bboard postings 13:23:59 ok. looks like I already answered my own question in an old posting:-)) 13:24:04 heh 13:24:17 I need "--with-tcl=/usr/lib " 13:24:27 aha. 13:25:11 it's hard for some people to read the instructions:-) 13:25:35 like me :) 13:26:40 well. it's much more fun to bug your fellow OpenACS friends anyway. 13:27:06 sure. 13:27:33 There was a little bug in the OpenFTS 0.2 tcl. Its in the logs. 13:28:48 aha 13:29:42 do you remember when I had OpenFTS running? 13:32:17 no. when was that. 13:32:19 ? 13:33:45 oh yes! I recall you had slight problems with that...;-) 13:34:46 I guess I will too, though this is the second or third time around 13:36:32 It could be fixed... 13:37:19 the problems or the process? 13:40:20 problems... 13:42:22 Dave, I found that some pages (DocBook) were not commentable though the were supposed to be. I will probably look into that soon and hopefully send you a patch. 13:42:49 s/the/they 13:43:00 Really? Sure patch anything you want. 13:43:02 :) 13:43:24 There should be a parameter for what extensions/mime types are static pages. 13:43:38 Ok. in the OpenFTS-Tcl source check this file: 13:43:43 fts_index/fts_index.tcl 13:43:48 line 364 13:44:05 s/b for {set i 1} {$i <= $self(ING)} {incr i} { 13:49:38 you mean < --> <= ? 13:49:52 yes. I think its the wrong line # though... 13:50:06 it was 367 for me 13:50:38 make make install again 13:51:14 did you just download that or is it from a while ago? 13:51:19 ok. I used vim (so I had to count :-) 13:51:25 ow 13:51:41 good thing it wasnt line 1584 13:51:49 I downloaded today. 13:51:52 :-) 13:52:08 I will mail neophytos to make sure they get than in the release. 13:53:22 that's good 13:55:10 I am not sure exactly who is in charge of the Tcl version. It might actually be DanW. 13:55:26 Is this for you new site? 13:56:59 yes 13:57:48 cool 13:58:32 so will you wait for the final release before you move your site to OACS4? 13:59:02 Probably beta. or maybe alpha2. I need edit-this-page so I am waiting to make sure its working. 13:59:15 Plus I am too busy to do it... 13:59:26 I should just start it new and migrate the old content later. 13:59:37 I see 14:00:22 I need to get the oracle-intermedia search working with the new search package. 14:02:55 doh! 14:08:39 ok. I'm trying to Load intarray and func_pgsql 14:08:58 psql -f load.sql infogettable-dev ... 14:09:19 and I get: 14:09:20 yes. sounds right. 14:09:20 stat failed on file '/usr/local/pgsql/lib/relkov.so': No such file or directory 14:09:21 psql:/usr/local/src/Search-OpenFTS-tcl-0.2/func_pgsql/create_func.sql:29: ERROR: stat failed on file '/usr/local/pgsql/lib/relkov.so': No such file or directory 14:09:41 hmmmm. 14:13:20 I have to go for a little while... make sure that file is where its looking. I think I had to symlink some stuff... 14:13:29 hmm... relkov.so is in /usr/local/src/Search-OpenFTS-tcl-0.2/func_pgsql 14:13:33 ok later 14:20:24 ola has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 14:24:15 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 14:28:04 docwolf has quit () 14:28:09 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-63-196-128.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 14:36:13 vinod (~vinod@207-172-255-18.s1034.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 14:50:43 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 14:52:28 vinod has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15:00:58 docwolf has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 15:17:37 * davb triumphantly returns 15:17:44 hey dave 15:17:45 wb 15:17:54 thanks 15:17:59 ola: any luck? 15:18:14 he's working on it 15:18:20 aha. 15:18:21 :-) 15:19:18 vinod (~vinod@209-122-234-103.s2167.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 15:19:33 hey vinod 15:19:45 hey k2pts 15:40:59 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.91.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 15:41:40 howdy! 15:42:35 hiya 15:42:49 did ChanServ wipe out the topic again? 15:43:00 I can see it... 15:43:12 Well I changed it back from yesterday :) 15:44:49 weird. 15:44:50 brb 15:44:50 markd2 has left #openacs 15:44:53 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.91.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 15:45:02 I still don't see the topic 15:45:05 oh well 16:04:59 hi mark! Dave, to be able to search static-pages, should I install * 791 FtsContentProvider, 1014 content_revision 16:05:01 ? 16:05:06 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-63-196-128.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 16:05:16 hi doc 16:05:18 yo 16:05:37 install all of the service contracts. 16:05:47 aha. 16:06:44 I think there should be a static_page contentprovider contract, not sure... 16:08:26 nope. there isn't. I hope it works anyway... 16:09:36 docwolf has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 16:12:55 k2pts has left #openacs 16:13:05 vinod has left #openacs 16:13:11 vinod (~vinod@209-122-234-103.s2167.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 16:13:53 howdy everyone! hmm - i don't see a topic either 16:14:00 hi 16:17:39 hi Vinod 16:18:04 I can't remember all the contracts. You installed static-pages obviously. 16:18:21 yes 16:18:44 is there a static-pages-sc-create.sql? 16:19:12 because I got a weird message when I updated my CVS today. 16:19:26 brb 16:19:31 davb has left #OpenACS 16:19:37 davb (~dave@alb-66-24-206-3.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 16:19:40 argh. I installed the bindings AFTER I scanned for static pages. That's why I cant search them! 16:19:47 wb 16:19:59 no, they should still be searchable I think. rescan. 16:20:11 you have to restart the server after you install all the bindings. 16:20:26 I did those things. 16:20:34 ok 16:20:45 ola: it should reindex every time you scan for static-pages. 16:20:55 ok. 16:21:04 * markd2 drops his acs/java user from his local oracle, with glee 16:21:12 yippee! 16:21:40 ola: for example, if you do a scan and check the error-log you should see a whole bunch of indexing notices in the log. 16:21:58 next step: apt-get --purge remove java (translate to local syntax) 16:22:16 heh 16:22:33 rm -rf --with-malic-aforethough /home/markd/acs-java/bebop 16:22:45 haha 16:23:42 davb: yes there is a static-pages-sc-create.sql. 16:24:38 hmmm 16:25:41 let me startup my PG server. 16:26:36 djg (beer@pD9E6AA22.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #openacs 16:27:53 hi djg! 16:28:25 ola: 791 16:28:25 FtsContentProvider, 16:28:25 2581 16:28:25 static_page 16:28:25