IRC log of openacs on 2001-11-21

Timestamps are in UTC.

01:04:39 [docwolf]
quiet here tonight
01:05:36 [docwolf]
looks like me & the bots.
01:05:50 [docwolf]
http://hello-chump
01:05:51 [chump]
H: http://hello-chump from docwolf
01:15:09 [vinod]
vinod (~vinod@18.61.1.65) has joined #openacs
01:17:31 [docwolf]
hi vinod
01:17:38 [docwolf]
looks like its only you, me, and the chump.
01:20:56 [davb]
davb (dave@alb-66-24-206-3.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs
01:21:01 [davb]
hi vinod
01:21:36 [davb]
and docwolf
01:21:42 [docwolf]
yo
01:26:18 [vinod]
hey all
01:37:37 [davb]
davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS | Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org
01:40:03 [donb]
donb (~donb@dsl-dhogaza.pacifier.net) has joined #openacs
01:40:09 [donb]
Hey, are folks around ...
01:41:09 [vinod]
hey don - i'm in and out... seeing patients
01:41:33 [vinod]
i tried email rbm a couple times about the docs, but i haven't heard back from him
01:41:35 [donb]
OK ... actually I was hoping Talli's around but I see he's not listed ...
01:41:43 [donb]
What do you know about XML, vinod?
01:42:09 [vinod]
not too much - i've been reading up on docbook xml stuff
01:42:28 [vinod]
* vinod feels jealous that donb wants talli, not me :-)
01:42:35 [donb]
That's the big first step we need - the ability to turn the original aD XML docs into HTML and docbook.
01:42:55 [davb]
hi don
01:42:59 [vinod]
i was able to do that - convert xml to html docs, but not in the pretty format that aD was using
01:43:05 [donb]
I want talli because I've speeded up the OpenACS 4 Postgres bboard stuff by a shitload, and they can start testing the new site again ...
01:43:12 [vinod]
cool!
01:43:21 [donb]
not only cool - necessary!
01:43:32 [vinod]
:-)
01:43:51 [donb]
Well ... for starters it would be nice to get our small alex logo at the top of each page with a nice little header, how hard is that?
01:44:06 [davb]
Openacs 4?
01:44:22 [donb]
I chomped on all the .html files before the first alpha and munged alex vs. aD logo by hand.
01:44:24 [donb]
daveb - yes
01:44:40 [davb]
oh the docs...
01:45:41 [donb]
oh the docs, yes, without doubt on the critical path at the moment.
01:45:57 [donb]
I hope Roberto's OK...
01:46:31 [donb]
I have visions of INS deporting him for hosting a conference with the well-known anti-American Richard Stallman talking ...
01:48:13 [vinod]
donb: that shouldn't be hard to do - the logo thing
01:48:19 [vinod]
* vinod hopes rbm is ok too
01:49:14 [davb]
me too.
01:49:50 [donb]
If you have time could you look into it, Vinod? At minimum I and some others can start with a minimum set of needed changes to those docs.
01:50:09 [donb]
Also if you'd e-mail me what I need to do to gen HTML and docbooks from the XML I'd appreciate it...
01:50:23 [donb]
(Don's busy fighting fires and doesn't want to RTFM)
01:50:28 [vinod]
no problem - i'll try to work on that tomorrow
01:50:32 [vinod]
:-)
01:50:40 [donb]
Thanks a lot ...
01:50:45 [vinod]
reading docs about docs - it gets kinda recursive
01:50:51 [donb]
Heh ...
01:53:40 [donb]
Wow a gzip'd pg_dump of openacs.or is 20MB ...
01:59:48 [davb]
gotta go
01:59:51 [davb]
davb has quit ()
02:03:44 [vinod]
vinod has quit ("changing universes")
02:07:32 [vinod]
vinod (~vinod@18.61.1.65) has joined #openacs
02:10:50 [donb]
I've got to go, too ...
02:10:52 [donb]
donb has quit ("changing universes")
02:28:40 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw disconnects
02:32:01 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reconnects
02:50:03 [docwolf]
burrrp
02:53:13 [vinod]
too much beer tonight?
02:55:44 [chump]
chump has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)
02:57:00 [vinod]
wow - even chump's too good to hang with us ;-)
03:04:40 [markd2]
markd2 (~markd@r-41.146.alltel.net) has joined #openacs
03:06:11 [vinod]
hey markd2
03:10:34 [markd2]
hey
03:10:49 [markd2]
markd2 has left #openacs
03:10:53 [markd2]
markd2 (~markd@r-41.146.alltel.net) has joined #openacs
03:11:22 [docwolf]
yo
03:11:28 [docwolf]
man
03:11:30 [docwolf]
my head hurts.
03:12:53 [markd2]
perscribe yourself something Potent
03:12:54 [vinod]
oh no, what happened?
03:13:03 [markd2]
Placebo-3
03:13:13 [docwolf]
haha
03:13:21 [docwolf]
i have been struggling with corporate law all night
03:13:21 [vinod]
markd2: always looking to pump pharmaceuticals
03:14:10 [markd2]
I just gotta be me
03:14:33 [vinod]
ouch. corporate law, that's one of those oxymorons, right?
03:14:39 [docwolf]
haha
03:14:50 [docwolf]
trying to figure out rules of incorporation in florida.
03:14:54 [docwolf]
it is a major headache.
03:15:14 [vinod]
i thought everyone just incorporated in delaware
03:15:23 [docwolf]
most people do.
03:15:37 [docwolf]
however, each state tries something a little different to get teh corporate biz
03:15:45 [docwolf]
florida went off the deep end.
03:15:52 [docwolf]
there is effectively no corporate tax here
03:16:15 [docwolf]
and the LLC rules are really liberal. even docs can set up an LLC for their group practice.
03:16:27 [docwolf]
(effectively shielding all their assets, even if they screw up _huge_ time.)
03:16:34 [vinod]
wow
03:16:54 [docwolf]
shadier folk who tend to do business can/do put all of their assets into an LLC to shield them
03:17:09 [markd2]
LLCs rule(tm)
03:17:13 [docwolf]
heh
03:17:23 [docwolf]
i was reading up on the history of LLCs.
03:17:28 [vinod]
i need to look into this stuff
03:17:38 [docwolf]
they were started in germany like 200 years ago
03:17:53 [docwolf]
but only recently caught on in south america (!) in the beginning of the 20th century.
03:18:02 [docwolf]
and have only been popular in the US over the past 10-15 years.
03:18:25 [docwolf]
florida set theirs up to be "similar to south american law".. which must mean.. it's utterly lawless.
03:18:31 [vinod]
heh
03:19:52 [docwolf]
i'd recommend the LLC for anyone who has a "consulting firm", if only to protect yourself from malignant clients.
03:20:42 [docwolf]
(the other interesting fact about the florida LLC is that it allows the person running it to perform "any type of legal business" under a single LLC. So you can set up docwolf's house of pancakes & pap smears.
03:21:10 [vinod]
the truth about docwolf's business plan comes out
03:21:14 [markd2]
you should set one up in Germany
03:21:15 [docwolf]
haha
03:21:17 [markd2]
you can server Luftwaffles
03:21:40 [docwolf]
haha. speaking of which... that new wolfenstein game is coming out this week.
03:21:47 [docwolf]
i know it's patently offensive to germans
03:21:48 [docwolf]
but...
03:21:58 [docwolf]
man.. incredible graphics.
03:22:15 [markd2]
I'm just offended it's so different from the original wolfenstein
03:22:20 [docwolf]
haha
03:22:25 [docwolf]
"heil!"
03:23:00 [markd2]
mmm.. leibframilch. *hic*
03:23:08 [docwolf]
haha
03:26:36 [docwolf]
hmm.. pringles & fudge stripes
03:26:47 [vinod]
together?
03:27:02 [docwolf]
http://www.oddtodd.com
03:27:17 [docwolf]
hey, where's the chump?
03:27:54 [vinod]
he gave up on us a while ago
03:30:25 [docwolf]
what is a good, small, palm-compatible device
03:30:34 [docwolf]
i'm still using my old, original palm pilot
03:30:38 [docwolf]
and it is huge.
03:32:06 [vinod]
i have a palm iiixe which is a bit smaller. the palm m500 (?) series is the smallest i think
03:32:22 [markd2]
http://www.blueberryjohnsons.com/home_depot/hdlog.shtml
03:35:48 [docwolf]
oh my god
03:35:57 [docwolf]
dude... that + oddtodd = our generation
03:36:15 [docwolf]
totally directionless... hanging out in large stores all day
03:36:21 [docwolf]
yet curiously not buying anything
03:36:21 [markd2]
gimme an 'amen' brotha docwolf
03:36:44 [docwolf]
amen to a lost generation
03:37:06 [vinod]
amen (shoulda been a psychiatrist - talk about job security)
03:37:17 [docwolf]
haha
03:41:00 [docwolf]
i also made a terrible discovery about this state
03:41:09 [markd2]
outside of the governor?
03:41:57 [docwolf]
haha. that governor actually did one good thing... abolishing the corporate tax.
03:42:04 [docwolf]
but other than that, he's pretty much a putz
03:42:20 [docwolf]
the scarier thing about florida
03:42:27 [docwolf]
which i'd tried to shut out of my mind
03:42:44 [docwolf]
.. flying in over the west coast of florida, i was reminded that most of this state
03:42:45 [docwolf]
is swamp
03:43:20 [docwolf]
its not even fun like a forest, or hilly or anything
03:43:22 [markd2]
just like DC was!
03:43:27 [docwolf]
it's just hundreds of miles of bog
03:53:49 [docwolf]
that ex-ad group is getting reallllly randy
03:54:07 [vinod]
is markd2 outta control again?
03:54:13 [markd2]
it had been pretty moribund for awhile
03:54:33 [markd2]
better go check the latest poll
03:55:11 [docwolf]
heh. i'd say the results are statistically significant
03:55:21 [markd2]
out of 15 votes, only one gives aD more than a year
03:55:22 [AaronSw]
Feel free to share :)
03:55:28 [AaronSw]
Heh
03:55:34 [markd2]
66.67% folding by fall 2002
03:55:51 [AaronSw]
that long?
03:55:52 [docwolf]
that seems to be the consensus
03:56:10 [docwolf]
yeah, because they still have some cash, and can keep slashing and burning as necessary.
03:56:25 [vinod]
* vinod frantically calls aD to pull his cash out
03:56:59 [docwolf]
haha
04:00:43 [markd2]
Hey Aaron - what was your opinion of your rocketstart box?
04:01:00 [AaronSw]
It was cool
04:01:08 [AaronSw]
I wish I still had it.
04:01:22 [AaronSw]
Why?
04:01:48 [markd2]
I'm trying to convince DocWolf that the linux boxes didn't suck like the solaris rocketstart boxes did
04:03:40 [docwolf]
i had some ugly experiences with the solaris box
04:03:43 [docwolf]
at my old university
04:03:47 [docwolf]
it made me look really bad.
04:04:02 [docwolf]
actually, it made aD look _really_ bad
04:04:13 [docwolf]
you should have seen the nasty email i was getting from the students who had to use that box
04:04:15 [markd2]
I tried to get the solaris ones up to the linux quality, but got on the wrong side of a sysadmin
04:04:40 [docwolf]
the value proposition of the solaris boxes was never clear to me.
04:04:53 [docwolf]
anyone who wants solaris is implicitly telling you they are not cheapskates
04:05:00 [docwolf]
so... why are we selling them a cheapskate service?
04:05:10 [docwolf]
linux, i can understand. that made incredible sense.
04:05:34 [markd2]
I think the idea was a pretty good one. drop some cash, get something running without endlessly dinking with it
04:05:41 [docwolf]
the idea was grea
04:05:43 [docwolf]
great
04:05:58 [markd2]
although I think philip fell in love with his cute writing on the rocketstart "product" page
04:05:58 [docwolf]
but personally, i'd be really nervous about having a non-intel box, especially if I were a cheapskate.
04:06:07 [docwolf]
adding 1 gig of RAM to that netra cost $4500
04:06:11 [markd2]
well, and that we had two generates of sysadmin management in that time
04:06:15 [markd2]
damn!!
04:06:48 [docwolf]
i still think the linux boxes are a great idea.
04:07:18 [docwolf]
i'd love to have someone expertly set up a redhat server for me.
04:07:36 [docwolf]
and install oracle, and go through all the incredible BS with the tablespaces, etc..
04:08:35 [markd2]
sure! I'll do it for $10K :-)
04:08:39 [docwolf]
:-)
04:08:54 [docwolf]
actually, though, your linux rocketstart boxes would have been perfect for universities.
04:09:16 [vinod]
i'll do it for 5K (not necessarily properly though)
04:09:37 [docwolf]
now, of course, setting up PG properly isn't uhhh... a huge challenge :-)
04:09:38 [markd2]
at least Vinod can't kill stuff with a redhat box (unless he tries)
04:09:43 [docwolf]
rpm -Uvh postgresql
04:09:54 [vinod]
* vinod looks around suspiciously
04:10:19 [docwolf]
heh.. we got those OpenACS 3.2 RPMs down to a science.
04:10:30 [markd2]
I created a db from scratch for the wife's shop. an eduational experience
04:10:36 [markd2]
(oracle, that is)
04:25:30 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has left #openacs
04:25:56 [AaronSw]
AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #openacs
04:34:04 [markd2]
markd2 has quit ("must... sleep...")
04:56:21 [vinod]
vinod has quit ("changing universes")
05:58:34 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw disconnects
09:01:23 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has quit (niven.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
09:01:59 [AaronSw]
AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #openacs
09:03:16 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Apologies, all. Apparently one of the rotation servers was hubbed to the one we restarted.
10:21:31 [ddent]
[GlobalNotice] Hiya, one little rehub now and then thats it for the evening. Sorry.
11:01:25 [AaronSw]
AaronSw has quit (niven.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net)
11:43:50 [ola]
ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs
12:18:05 [davb]
davb (~dave@alb-66-24-206-3.nycap.rr.com) has joined #OpenACS
12:29:34 [ola]
hey davb
12:31:29 [ola]
my brother's book will soon be online:-)
12:31:55 [ola]
a few hundred pages of precious content...
12:32:33 [ola]
... using OACS4 of course.
12:35:24 [ola]
now I must figure out how to get our names appear first on a Google search;-)
12:35:58 [ola]
s/our names/our names to
12:38:54 [davb]
hi
12:39:06 [davb]
For?
12:39:18 [davb]
I am pretty good at search.
12:39:33 [davb]
http://selfpromotion.com
12:39:39 [davb]
argh
12:44:02 [chump]
chump (~chump@alb-66-24-204-217.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs
12:44:14 [davb]
http://selfpromotion.com
12:44:14 [chump]
A: http://selfpromotion.com from davb
12:44:19 [ola]
hi chump!
12:44:30 [davb]
A:|Selfpromotion.com
12:44:30 [chump]
titled item A
12:44:43 [davb]
A: Great tools and advice for search engine rankings
12:44:44 [chump]
commented item A
12:45:21 [ola]
looks cool. thanks.
12:46:03 [davb]
Its very useful. I pay them $10 or so a year for access to the really cool tools.
12:46:25 [davb]
You can stick a page in and it will analyze the keywords etc... including your competitors pages
12:47:37 [ola]
ok
13:00:38 [ola]
argh. openfts won't compile
13:01:01 [davb]
what
13:01:05 [davb]
s the pr
13:01:07 [davb]
oblem :)
13:01:14 [ola]
heh
13:01:44 [davb]
Did you compile it before? It needs to be able to find all the parts of PG to work.
13:02:08 [ola]
this is the problem:
13:02:08 [ola]
[root@hal Search-OpenFTS-tcl-0.2]# make
13:02:09 [ola]
Makefile:20: Makefile.global: No such file or directory
13:02:09 [ola]
make: *** No rule to make target `Makefile.global'. Stop.
13:02:20 [davb]
Oh, that is bad...
13:03:11 [davb]
did you configure?
13:03:14 [ola]
the thing is I did "make install-all-headers" AFTER the OACS install...
13:03:19 [ola]
yes
13:03:23 [davb]
That is ok so did I.
13:04:07 [ola]
I'm not sure what the aolserver-path should be...
13:04:31 [davb]
ALL of my files were in the wrong paths, I had to specify everything... it was fun.
13:05:07 [davb]
probably to the source, so it can use the aolserver headers.
13:05:55 [davb]
Makefile.global should be in the OpenFTS directory.
13:06:41 [ola]
usr/local/src/aolserver-3.3-ad13 or
13:06:49 [ola]
usr/local/src/aolserver-3.3-ad13/aolserver ?
13:07:20 [davb]
the second one
13:07:31 [ola]
ok
13:08:13 [ola]
there is no Makefile.global in Search-OpenFTS-tcl-0.2/ only a Makefile.global.in
13:10:11 [davb]
oh... interesting. Your configure must have failed somewhere. I think that builds it...(guessing)
13:10:31 [ola]
oh.
13:10:45 [ola]
trying again:-)
13:11:02 [davb]
check the output of configure to see if it has any error messages in the middle...
13:12:57 [ola]
there's one warning
13:12:59 [ola]
checking for Tcl configuration... configure: warning: Can't find Tcl configuration definitions
13:13:24 [ola]
maybe I need --with-pgsql...
13:15:34 [davb]
do you have tcl installed by itself?
13:15:52 [ola]
no. only aolserver
13:16:09 [davb]
i think you need it. I could be wrong though :)
13:16:44 [ola]
* ola reads old bboard postings
13:23:59 [ola]
ok. looks like I already answered my own question in an old posting:-))
13:24:04 [davb]
heh
13:24:17 [ola]
I need "--with-tcl=/usr/lib "
13:24:27 [davb]
aha.
13:25:11 [ola]
it's hard for some people to read the instructions:-)
13:25:35 [davb]
like me :)
13:26:40 [ola]
well. it's much more fun to bug your fellow OpenACS friends anyway.
13:27:06 [davb]
sure.
13:27:33 [davb]
There was a little bug in the OpenFTS 0.2 tcl. Its in the logs.
13:28:48 [ola]
aha
13:29:42 [davb]
do you remember when I had OpenFTS running?
13:32:17 [ola]
no. when was that.
13:32:19 [ola]
?
13:33:45 [ola]
oh yes! I recall you had slight problems with that...;-)
13:34:46 [ola]
I guess I will too, though this is the second or third time around
13:36:32 [davb]
It could be fixed...
13:37:19 [ola]
the problems or the process?
13:40:20 [davb]
problems...
13:42:22 [ola]
Dave, I found that some pages (DocBook) were not commentable though the were supposed to be. I will probably look into that soon and hopefully send you a patch.
13:42:49 [ola]
s/the/they
13:43:00 [davb]
Really? Sure patch anything you want.
13:43:02 [davb]
:)
13:43:24 [davb]
There should be a parameter for what extensions/mime types are static pages.
13:43:38 [davb]
Ok. in the OpenFTS-Tcl source check this file:
13:43:43 [davb]
fts_index/fts_index.tcl
13:43:48 [davb]
line 364
13:44:05 [davb]
s/b for {set i 1} {$i <= $self(ING)} {incr i} {
13:49:38 [ola]
you mean < --> <= ?
13:49:52 [davb]
yes. I think its the wrong line # though...
13:50:06 [davb]
it was 367 for me
13:50:38 [davb]
make make install again
13:51:14 [davb]
did you just download that or is it from a while ago?
13:51:19 [ola]
ok. I used vim (so I had to count :-)
13:51:25 [davb]
ow
13:51:41 [davb]
good thing it wasnt line 1584
13:51:49 [ola]
I downloaded today.
13:51:52 [ola]
:-)
13:52:08 [davb]
I will mail neophytos to make sure they get than in the release.
13:53:22 [ola]
that's good
13:55:10 [davb]
I am not sure exactly who is in charge of the Tcl version. It might actually be DanW.
13:55:26 [davb]
Is this for you new site?
13:56:59 [ola]
yes
13:57:48 [davb]
cool
13:58:32 [ola]
so will you wait for the final release before you move your site to OACS4?
13:59:02 [davb]
Probably beta. or maybe alpha2. I need edit-this-page so I am waiting to make sure its working.
13:59:15 [davb]
Plus I am too busy to do it...
13:59:26 [davb]
I should just start it new and migrate the old content later.
13:59:37 [ola]
I see
14:00:22 [davb]
I need to get the oracle-intermedia search working with the new search package.
14:02:55 [ola]
doh!
14:08:39 [ola]
ok. I'm trying to Load intarray and func_pgsql
14:08:58 [ola]
psql -f load.sql infogettable-dev ...
14:09:19 [ola]
and I get:
14:09:20 [davb]
yes. sounds right.
14:09:20 [ola]
stat failed on file '/usr/local/pgsql/lib/relkov.so': No such file or directory
14:09:21 [ola]
psql:/usr/local/src/Search-OpenFTS-tcl-0.2/func_pgsql/create_func.sql:29: ERROR: stat failed on file '/usr/local/pgsql/lib/relkov.so': No such file or directory
14:09:41 [davb]
hmmmm.
14:13:20 [davb]
I have to go for a little while... make sure that file is where its looking. I think I had to symlink some stuff...
14:13:29 [ola]
hmm... relkov.so is in /usr/local/src/Search-OpenFTS-tcl-0.2/func_pgsql
14:13:33 [ola]
ok later
14:20:24 [ola]
ola has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)
14:24:15 [ola]
ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs
14:28:04 [docwolf]
docwolf has quit ()
14:28:09 [docwolf]
docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-63-196-128.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs
14:36:13 [vinod]
vinod (~vinod@207-172-255-18.s1034.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs
14:50:43 [k2pts]
k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs
14:52:28 [vinod]
vinod has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
15:00:58 [docwolf]
docwolf has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)
15:17:37 [davb]
* davb triumphantly returns
15:17:44 [k2pts]
hey dave
15:17:45 [k2pts]
wb
15:17:54 [davb]
thanks
15:17:59 [davb]
ola: any luck?
15:18:14 [k2pts]
he's working on it
15:18:20 [davb]
aha.
15:18:21 [ola]
:-)
15:19:18 [vinod]
vinod (~vinod@209-122-234-103.s2167.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs
15:19:33 [k2pts]
hey vinod
15:19:45 [vinod]
hey k2pts
15:40:59 [markd2]
markd2 (~markd2@r-41.91.alltel.net) has joined #openacs
15:41:40 [davb]
howdy!
15:42:35 [markd2]
hiya
15:42:49 [markd2]
did ChanServ wipe out the topic again?
15:43:00 [davb]
I can see it...
15:43:12 [davb]
Well I changed it back from yesterday :)
15:44:49 [markd2]
weird.
15:44:50 [markd2]
brb
15:44:50 [markd2]
markd2 has left #openacs
15:44:53 [markd2]
markd2 (~markd2@r-41.91.alltel.net) has joined #openacs
15:45:02 [markd2]
I still don't see the topic
15:45:05 [markd2]
oh well
16:04:59 [ola]
hi mark! Dave, to be able to search static-pages, should I install * 791 FtsContentProvider, 1014 content_revision
16:05:01 [ola]
?
16:05:06 [docwolf]
docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-63-196-128.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs
16:05:16 [ola]
hi doc
16:05:18 [docwolf]
yo
16:05:37 [davb]
install all of the service contracts.
16:05:47 [ola]
aha.
16:06:44 [davb]
I think there should be a static_page contentprovider contract, not sure...
16:08:26 [ola]
nope. there isn't. I hope it works anyway...
16:09:36 [docwolf]
docwolf has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)
16:12:55 [k2pts]
k2pts has left #openacs
16:13:05 [vinod]
vinod has left #openacs
16:13:11 [vinod]
vinod (~vinod@209-122-234-103.s2167.apx2.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs
16:13:53 [vinod]
howdy everyone! hmm - i don't see a topic either
16:14:00 [markd2]
hi
16:17:39 [ola]
hi Vinod
16:18:04 [davb]
I can't remember all the contracts. You installed static-pages obviously.
16:18:21 [ola]
yes
16:18:44 [davb]
is there a static-pages-sc-create.sql?
16:19:12 [davb]
because I got a weird message when I updated my CVS today.
16:19:26 [davb]
brb
16:19:31 [davb]
davb has left #OpenACS
16:19:37 [davb]
davb (~dave@alb-66-24-206-3.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs
16:19:40 [ola]
argh. I installed the bindings AFTER I scanned for static pages. That's why I cant search them!
16:19:47 [ola]
wb
16:19:59 [davb]
no, they should still be searchable I think. rescan.
16:20:11 [davb]
you have to restart the server after you install all the bindings.
16:20:26 [ola]
I did those things.
16:20:34 [davb]
ok
16:20:45 [davb]
ola: it should reindex every time you scan for static-pages.
16:20:55 [ola]
ok.
16:21:04 [markd2]
* markd2 drops his acs/java user from his local oracle, with glee
16:21:12 [davb]
yippee!
16:21:40 [davb]
ola: for example, if you do a scan and check the error-log you should see a whole bunch of indexing notices in the log.
16:21:58 [vinod]
next step: apt-get --purge remove java (translate to local syntax)
16:22:16 [markd2]
heh
16:22:33 [markd2]
rm -rf --with-malic-aforethough /home/markd/acs-java/bebop
16:22:45 [vinod]
haha
16:23:42 [ola]
davb: yes there is a static-pages-sc-create.sql.
16:24:38 [ola]
hmmm
16:25:41 [davb]
let me startup my PG server.
16:26:36 [djg]
djg (beer@pD9E6AA22.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #openacs
16:27:53 [ola]
hi djg!
16:28:25 [davb]
ola: 791
16:28:25 [davb]
FtsContentProvider,
16:28:25 [davb]
2581
16:28:25 [davb]
static_page
16:28:25 [davb]
[Uninstall]
16:29:14 [davb]
try running static-pages-sc-create.sql through psql.
16:29:32 [davb]
I am not sure when it wasn't loaded. unless the info file isn't updated.
16:29:59 [ola]
ok. great.
16:30:24 [davb]
np. when did you last update static-pages. I know the info file was screwed up for a little bit.
16:32:45 [ola]
it was yesterday.
16:33:27 [davb]
should be ok.
16:35:05 [ola]
well, it's there now!
16:35:58 [ola]
the static-page content provider, that is.
16:36:54 [davb]
excellent.
16:37:37 [abbaJ]
abbaJ has quit ("Client Exiting")
16:37:43 [ola]
I don't know if it's working yet...
16:38:18 [davb]
it tuns every 5 minutes or something like that I think. (the indexer)
16:38:40 [ola]
restarting the server takes like 5 minutes now!
16:39:08 [davb]
that sounds weird.
16:39:16 [davb]
how many packages are installed?
16:40:34 [davb]
http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/
16:40:34 [chump]
B: http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/ from davb
16:40:40 [davb]
B:| OS X for Legacy Macs
16:40:41 [chump]
titled item B
16:42:25 [ola]
davb: around 30
16:42:32 [ola]
yikes!
16:43:07 [ola]
doesen't work. reloading site-map takes 10 secs on a Athlon 1200...
16:46:13 [ola]
Woohoo! it works!
16:49:07 [davb]
excellent.
16:49:12 [davb]
is site-map really that slow?
16:49:30 [ola]
davb: as a bonus the commentability on some DocBook pages is back!
16:49:52 [ola]
checking again...
16:51:12 [davb]
that is kinda weird... it just scans for .html
16:51:31 [ola]
now it takes 2.5 secs. perhaps it was my raid or indexing that slowed things down.
16:52:03 [davb]
I run a AMD K6-2/400 and it never takes that long... how many pages are you indexing?
16:52:06 [ola]
davb: no, the converted files are html...
16:52:24 [davb]
oh ok.
16:52:51 [ola]
91 LARGE pages:-)
16:53:21 [davb]
ok.
16:53:42 [davb]
Have you done a search? how long are the searchs taking.. should be under a second.
16:54:07 [ola]
lemme check...
16:54:13 [davb]
Neophytos said to turn of permissions checking in the search parameters to speed them up quite a bit.
16:55:59 [ola]
Ok. search for "hindu" took 0.4 seconds. (14 hits)
16:56:14 [davb]
That sounds about right.
16:56:32 [vinod]
no need to search - i'm right here :-)
16:57:35 [ola]
haha
16:57:39 [markd2]
LOL
16:57:40 [ola]
wow!
16:58:02 [ola]
it took 0.04 secs this time
16:58:34 [vinod]
well, that's cuz i told ya i was right here (and i'd appreciate not getting hit 14 times)
16:58:47 [ola]
permission checking turned off, that is.
16:59:01 [vinod]
sorry - haven't had much sleep ... getting punchy...
16:59:02 [ola]
LOL
16:59:14 [markd2]
* markd2 stops hitting vinod
16:59:34 [vinod]
thanks!
16:59:38 [vinod]
* vinod licks his wounds
17:00:00 [ola]
"christian" gets 27 hits, lol
17:00:04 [vinod]
lol
17:00:09 [vinod]
ha! take that!
17:00:25 [ola]
I'm an atheist!
17:00:34 [vinod]
how many hits does that get?
17:00:37 [davb]
yes. the permissions stuff needs to be optimized.
17:00:45 [ola]
lemme check...
17:00:57 [davb]
what are you indexing?
17:01:05 [davb]
is that the history book?
17:01:06 [ola]
one:-)
17:01:24 [vinod]
* vinod thinks it's time to become an atheist ;-)
17:01:26 [ola]
yes. my brother's book.
17:01:32 [ola]
hehe
17:01:34 [vinod]
what's it about?
17:01:45 [markd2]
balloons I think
17:01:51 [markd2]
no wait, that's some other guys brother
17:01:53 [ola]
heh
17:02:13 [vinod]
haha - my brother hasn't written any books yet (that i know of)
17:02:29 [davb]
vinod: you are the book writing brother.
17:02:34 [markd2]
heh
17:02:40 [vinod]
haha
17:02:43 [davb]
docbook
17:02:49 [vinod]
uhoh - did i just volunteer for something?
17:02:54 [ola]
the title is "Guide to the Past" and that pretty much says it...
17:12:05 [ola]
it could use some pictures though. perhaps I can fix that.
17:12:26 [vinod]
* vinod likes picturebooks
17:14:45 [ola]
vinod: can you send me a portrait of you? we need pictures of hindus.
17:14:51 [ola]
(just kidding)
17:15:30 [vinod]
haha - you don't want to make this a scary book, now do you?
17:15:55 [ola]
well scary is fine.:-)
17:16:59 [markd2]
but halloween is over
17:17:23 [vinod]
yeah, and if one more person asks me to take of my mask...
17:17:32 [markd2]
markd2 has changed the topic to: Welcome to #openacs, where halloween is every day.
17:18:19 [ola]
lol
17:18:57 [markd2]
so, do you folks outside of the US have any opinion on our weird fall holidays
17:19:02 [markd2]
like halloween and thanksgiving?
17:23:02 [vinod]
candy and turkey ... mmmm
17:23:15 [vinod]
* vinod is working on thanksgiving
17:23:20 [davb]
mmmm fried turkey
17:23:50 [vinod]
mmmmm fried .*
17:24:09 [ola]
well, we're starting to pick up that tradition too. (I'm way too old though and pretend I'm not at home when the kids nock on my door)
17:24:42 [ola]
s/nock/knock
17:27:59 [davb]
http://www.mozilla.org/releases/
17:27:59 [chump]
C: http://www.mozilla.org/releases/ from davb
17:28:11 [davb]
C:|Mozilla 0.9.6
17:28:11 [chump]
titled item C
17:28:59 [ola]
I don't understand how Santa makes it through the chimney at christmas though. here he simply knock on peoples doors.
17:30:09 [ola]
s/knock/knocks
17:30:19 [ola]
doh
17:30:23 [vinod]
yeah, that always bummed me out too, cuz we didn't have a chimney growing up. i think my parents told me that he snuck in through the ventilation system
17:30:56 [ola]
well, that sounds reasonable...
17:31:30 [markd2]
"if santa can fit through the heeating ducts, what *else* can?"
17:31:39 [vinod]
*exactly*
17:31:43 [markd2]
nand so starts vinod's fear of giant rats and jehovas' witnesses
17:31:54 [vinod]
ROTFL
17:31:55 [ola]
hehe
17:32:04 [markd2]
* markd2 hands Vinod a Watchtower
17:32:12 [vinod]
aigHHH!!!!!!
17:32:18 [vinod]
* vinod runs and hides under the rug
17:36:13 [djg]
djg has quit ("Leaving")
17:36:42 [davb]
heh
17:47:54 [talli]
talli (~talli@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs
17:48:04 [talli]
hey guys
17:49:51 [davb]
hi talli!
17:49:52 [vinod]
hey talli
17:51:26 [talli]
hey. how's it going today?
17:51:41 [ola]
hi talli.
17:51:57 [ola]
openfts rocks!
17:54:53 [vinod]
* vinod is immersing himself in docbook docs
17:56:46 [talli]
cool. if we can only get rbm to do something even near the same...
17:57:42 [markd2]
need to do some hardware surgery. bbl
17:57:43 [markd2]
markd2 has quit ("Bork")
17:58:11 [vinod]
talli: have you heard back from him at all?
17:58:26 [talli]
no, i haven't
17:58:38 [talli]
i sent him an email last week and he said he was busy with the conference
17:59:20 [vinod]
ok. i'm just going to try to build a step by step method to generate html from the xml docs
17:59:23 [talli]
i'll send him another one today, but i also sent something out to all the gatekeepers about the new site and stressed he needed to get me the roadmap soon or we won't be able to release docs with beta or the full release
18:04:59 [ola]
gotta go. later
18:05:04 [ola]
ola has quit ("changing universes")
18:05:24 [abbaJ]
abbaJ (~jabba@adsl-64-123-15-156.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs
18:11:44 [k2pts]
k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs
18:14:32 [k2pts]
01:04:39 <docwolf> quiet here tonight
18:14:33 [k2pts]
01:05:36 <docwolf> looks like me & the bots.
18:14:33 [k2pts]
01:05:50 <docwolf> http://hello-chump
18:14:33 [k2pts]
01:05:51 <chump> H: http://hello-chump from docwolf
18:14:44 [k2pts]
http://hello-chump
18:14:44 [chump]
D: http://hello-chump from k2pts
18:14:59 [k2pts]
http://hello-everybody
18:14:59 [chump]
E: http://hello-everybody from k2pts
18:16:02 [vinod]
docwolf's gonna get jealous if you keep playing with chump. i think they really bonded last night
18:16:09 [k2pts]
:)
18:16:21 [k2pts]
I really loved how today's chat log began.
18:28:33 [vinod]
vinod has quit ("changing universes")
18:34:55 [davb]
davb has quit ("I'm too lame to make a quit message")
18:50:15 [johnseq]
johnseq (user72@h00036d142020.ne.mediaone.net) has joined #openacs
18:51:05 [johnseq]
neophytos, did you have some peer-review questions?
18:53:07 [k2pts]
sure
18:56:05 [AaronSw]
AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #openacs
19:05:46 [markd2]
markd2 (~markd2@r-41.41.alltel.net) has joined #openacs
19:12:58 [abbaJ]
abbaJ has quit (Remote closed the connection)
19:16:15 [abbaJ]
abbaJ (~jabba@adsl-64-123-15-156.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs
19:23:24 [talli]
talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))
19:42:18 [johnseq]
johnseq has quit ("Client Exiting")
19:46:19 [k2pts]
k2pts has left #openacs
19:47:00 [adler]
adler (~adler@dsl027-131-050.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs
19:47:16 [adler]
not too crowded in here today
19:47:29 [adler]
* adler stretches out
19:50:06 [markd2]
there's an available hammock around here if you want
19:50:47 [adler]
I want to get a twiddler so I can program while reclining
19:50:56 [markd2]
twiddler?
19:57:03 [adler]
yeah, it's a one handed 'chording' keyboard
19:57:10 [adler]
good for wearables
19:59:34 [adler]
http://www.handykey.com/
19:59:34 [chump]
F: http://www.handykey.com/ from adler
19:59:43 [adler]
F: for hacking in hammocks
19:59:44 [chump]
commented item F
20:19:39 [adler]
adler has quit ("[BX] Hrm... I wonder if I paid this month's electr...EOF From client")
22:42:06 [^lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We are presently implementing 10-user-per-IP limits, with a few exceptions. If you need an exception, let us know. If you run into problems connecting to the network, let us know that too. Email can be sent to support@openprojects.net. Thanks!
22:42:10 [docwolf]
docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-63-196-128.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs
22:49:50 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Just a further note. The connections-per-IP limits are not meant to be onerous, but we've had problems with clone attacks. Thanks.
22:54:38 [steveW]
steveW (~steve@host213-122-131-159.btinternet.com) has joined #openacs
22:55:27 [steveW]
steveW has quit (Client Quit)
22:56:54 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hehe, this is, shall we say, a whole can of worms. 8) Perhaps we should try to find another answer to the clone problem. ;)
23:19:44 [markd2]
markd2 has quit ("Bork")
23:56:17 [GEM]
GEM (~mcmullan@MULTICS.MIT.EDU) has joined #openacs