00:04:19 k2pts has left #openacs 00:20:24 til has quit (Remote closed the connection) 00:22:00 til (tils@port-212-202-128-208.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 00:26:31 wheeee 00:32:09 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 00:32:22 wheeee markd2 00:36:15 graszew has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1") 00:51:02 exciting day 00:51:13 * markd2 studies oracle backup and recovery 00:51:39 wow, how's it going? 00:52:34 test #3 out of 5 for the DBA cert 00:52:46 figured I might as well finish it off - it'll be good reusme fodder 00:52:49 great. good to hear that 00:52:54 yeap 00:52:57 I should be in good shape to take the test next month 00:53:00 where's everybody? 00:53:16 i have to prepare for my gre exams (i'm already late) 00:53:26 not much traffic lately 00:53:35 what subject gre? 00:53:39 til has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 00:53:41 general 00:53:42 HOLA 00:53:44 cool 00:53:45 hey doc 00:53:46 yo doc 00:53:48 til (tils@port-212-202-128-208.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 00:53:53 wb 00:53:55 yo] 00:53:56 I took the math GRE, as part of my undergraduate requirements 00:54:05 I had to answer 4 questiosn right, so I did 00:54:09 and walked out early 00:54:19 I had *no* desire to go to grad school in math 00:54:19 i have to do it if I want to go to grad school 00:54:21 :) 00:54:35 my friend Shannon was taking the chemistry one so she could get into grade school 00:54:37 er, grad school 00:54:41 she hated me for weeks after I walked out early 00:54:51 :) it's not a requirement at mit 00:55:19 Hendrix required "comprehensive exams" (comps) as a graduation requirement 00:55:21 the only university which does not require gre exams for cs grad school :) 00:55:27 some departments it was easy (go to dinner with the religion professor) 00:55:40 some were cruel. The business department had two written tests and an oral exam 00:55:48 and it was definitely bring your own vaseline 00:55:54 lol 00:56:23 docwolf: did it work (the pdf thing) 00:57:37 markd2: where's everybody. not much traffic lately, right? 00:58:04 heh 00:58:13 guess they're hiding 00:58:19 or off being productive 00:58:20 from me? :) 00:58:25 or seeing the Harry Potter movie again 00:58:41 even psychephylax is not around anymore 00:58:49 Is he on his vacation now? 00:58:54 don't know 00:59:26 k:-) oh my god! there's an axe in my head 00:59:32 :) 01:00:05 anyways, have to get some sleep. have to wake up early tomorrow (3 o' clock here) 01:00:20 see ya markd2 01:00:45 k2pts has left #openacs 01:02:25 * AaronSw disconnects 01:04:51 * AaronSw reconnects 01:06:35 k2pts: haven't tried it yet :-) 01:45:56 * AaronSw disconnects 01:54:21 * AaronSw reconnects 03:04:47 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 03:14:14 vinod (~vinod@207-172-216-54.s562.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 03:15:45 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We have at least one global software upgrade to perform on the servers, and it occurred to me this might be a good opportunity to get feedback on the best times to shut servers down and bring them back up. We don't have any sort of web poll facility set up, so if you could send email we'd appreciate it. Poll follows. 03:16:36 [GlobalNotice] Please let us know via email to support@openprojects.net, two things: (1) what server name you use to connect to OPN, and (2) what times (including your local timezone in very plain English) are least inconvenient for you to have your server shut down. Thanks. 03:58:55 chump has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 04:11:06 til has quit (Ping timeout: 218 seconds) 04:56:55 * AaronSw reconnects 05:12:28 * AaronSw disconnects 06:09:13 vinod has quit (Remote closed the connection) 06:31:32 chump (~chump@alb-66-24-204-217.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 10:17:13 til (tils@port-212-202-128-208.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 10:31:51 til has quit (Ping timeout: 210 seconds) 11:08:11 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 13:16:27 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: loggy[~openacs-l@205.253.219.118] (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)) 13:17:01 loggy (~openacs-l@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 13:17:01 topic is: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org 13:17:01 Users on #openacs: loggy ola chump docwolf shagster AaronSw abbaJ 13:17:01 [#openacs] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 13:35:12 davb (~dave@cm-208-136-23-203.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 13:45:08 abbaJ has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 13:46:08 abbaJ (~jabba@adsl-64-123-15-156.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 13:59:14 morning davb 13:59:50 Hello. 14:02:49 http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/keywords.html 14:02:49 A: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/keywords.html from davb 14:02:59 A:|How Cool are Custom Keywords? 14:02:59 titled item A 14:03:05 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.72.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 14:03:05 A: custom keywords in Mozilla 14:03:06 commented item A 14:03:09 A: It is very cool 14:03:09 commented item A 14:08:29 docwolf has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 14:26:51 What does P mean when updating CVS? 14:26:55 Patching 14:27:00 thanks! 14:27:00 It's the same as Updating 14:27:06 just implementation difference 14:27:32 excellent. 14:39:09 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 14:51:00 k2pts: glossary did not install correctly last night, but I just installed it now and it was fine. I'll test it now. 14:53:43 yes i did fix some stuff last night and today 15:03:35 i added a term with the go-live workflow no problem. I used the full-term-workflow and went through and approved it, but its not appearing in the glossary. 15:15:20 hey guys! I just installed a fresh copy of oacs4. guess what happens when I select a few packages for installation and hit "Next-->"...the next page says "No packages selected"...!! 15:15:40 any ideas as to what it might be? 15:17:01 not sure. 15:17:14 I checked out acs-core yesterday and installing packages works. 15:19:01 ok. I checked it out around noon (GMT) today... 15:19:31 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-63-196-128.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 15:19:53 hola doc 15:20:16 davb: I noticed that too. I thing that's a problem with the glossary package (I remember it was doing the same thing previously) 15:20:28 hey doc 15:20:41 hey ola 15:20:53 hi k2pts! 15:20:59 lemme go check 15:21:04 er, 15:21:16 hey markd2 15:21:33 hi 15:23:03 k2pts: ok 15:23:18 how's everything else? 15:23:33 Fine. I need to check ticket tracker now. 15:24:09 but I don't forsee an workflow problems. 15:24:12 cms,ticket-tracker (it had a broken dependency call -- nothing serious). It should work with oracle 15:24:21 tt that is 15:24:50 I also found a bug in the pg upgrade script. It only came up when I was testing the tt. I fixed it now. 15:25:08 davb: it worked after I reloaded the package selection page:-/ 15:25:24 k2pts: I installed Glossary first, it created a cr_workflows table, then 15:25:30 CMS tries to create the same things. 15:25:44 I got a bunch of unique contrainst errors when it installed. 15:25:49 (cms) 15:26:21 I also have an error in add_manual_assignment in the ticket-tracker install. 15:26:36 that's the broken dependency in the tt 15:26:51 add a 'f' for permanent_p 15:26:54 ok :) 15:27:30 about cms. I think you will have no trouble if you install cms first. just a feeling. 15:27:58 It did the same thing yesterday with Glossary when I installed CMS first. I'll try it again today. 15:28:52 that's strange. we need to debug it. the pg version seems to be in a really good shape. I'm doing a final test right now and then I can help check the oracle version. bbiab 15:29:47 ok 15:39:57 ot: ref-timezones has inserted over 20000 rows (and is still going strong). is this normal? 15:40:29 yeap 15:43:01 http://www.hastingsresearch.com/net/06-anti-thesaurus.shtml 15:43:02 B: http://www.hastingsresearch.com/net/06-anti-thesaurus.shtml from davb 15:43:11 B:|The Anti-Thesaurus 15:43:12 titled item B 15:43:19 B:A Proposal For Improving Internet Search While Reducing Unnecessary Traffic Loads 15:43:20 commented item B 15:59:12 k2pts has left #openacs 16:01:29 yeah 16:01:42 my ad.com email has that subscribed, and almost nothing else 16:14:34 ola has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 16:16:27 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 16:36:59 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 16:47:05 * davb battles network solutions (again) 16:49:13 watching it now 16:50:45 I didn't know the network solutions battles were televised. 16:50:59 http://www.oddtodd.com/ 16:51:00 C: http://www.oddtodd.com/ from markd2 16:51:08 C: day in the life of the laid-off 16:51:09 commented item C 16:51:14 the video really is perfect. 16:51:23 it is a sad commentary. 16:52:30 that rules 16:52:35 it gives me something to strive for 16:56:05 haha 17:18:14 k2pts has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 17:18:27 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 17:30:58 adler (~adler@dsl027-131-050.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 17:46:41 donb (~donb@dsl-dhogaza.pacifier.net) has joined #openacs 17:47:35 hi donb 17:48:53 Hi ... I'm in the middle of committing some minor changes ... 17:49:17 i'm fixing a callback (in the oracle version). 17:49:26 of ticket tracker. 17:49:43 the pgsql has been tested well. i don't expect any major bugs from now on. 17:50:30 oracle has been tested well too. it's just that tt makes use of acs-wf to write its own callbacks (one type mismatch caused by the change) 17:51:28 OK, yes, I saw your e-mail earlier, things appear to be falling together. ETP Oracle's just about there, too, Jon Griffin's testing today and will either repair any problems or e-mail details to me. 17:51:58 We need to get rolling on documentation ... 17:52:08 * k2pts hides 17:52:35 chump has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 17:52:49 You're familiar with the slang expression "it's all Greek to me!" ? 17:53:15 :) 17:53:16 yeap 17:53:35 chump (~chump@alb-66-24-204-217.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 17:53:35 You could just write documentation in Greek for us ... 17:53:44 sure 17:53:57 Then people could use that expression in all honesty! 17:54:28 actually I would like to practice on my english. I am gonna take the gre/toefl exams very soon (and haven't prepared a bit) 17:55:02 Your written English is very good but I have no idea what kind of arcane stuff they stick on the toefl exams. 17:55:19 toefle are ok 17:55:24 s/toefle/toefl 17:55:28 gre are the problem 17:56:28 When do you take them? 17:56:35 have registered yet :) 17:56:39 haven't 17:57:03 So has anyone out there heard from Roberto recently? 17:57:06 i'm leaving for a conference on constraint programming this friday and hopefully when I'm back 17:57:28 haven't seen him for a while around #openacs (not much traffic lately) 17:58:05 the yanks are getting ready to slaughter untold numbers of turkeys for Thursday's meal ... 17:58:23 maybe the us govt went completely berzerk and deported him :-( 17:58:33 I have worried about that, Mark ... 17:58:58 that and his cow fetish 17:59:08 His cow fetish? Tell me more! 17:59:19 he seems to moo fairly often 17:59:36 I'm a cow tipper, myself ... 18:10:30 Well ... this is too exciting for me ... I'm taking off. 'til later, folks! 18:10:32 donb has quit ("changing universes") 18:21:02 * markd2 wakes up 18:21:08 * markd2 tries to be exciting 18:21:11 * markd2 goes back to sleep 18:27:47 adler has quit ("[BX] I theenk I need a beeger box!") 18:55:26 anyone l33t with javascript here? 18:55:38 not me 18:59:38 sorry, never touch the stuff. 18:59:59 bummer. oh well 19:00:03 I've got this: http://badgertronics.com/wplug/penguin/ballot.adp 19:00:18 and I want the radio buttons to behave that only one can be selected in each column or row 19:02:44 I don't think you need javascript 19:02:45 * davb looks 19:03:26 each row too? 19:03:37 I mean column? So there can be only one 4? 19:04:27 yep 19:04:31 well 5 19:04:40 one "1" rank for a name, one '2" rank for a name 19:04:44 no duplicates of ranks or names 19:05:04 ok. 19:05:23 I'm gonna check it in the code that handles the page, but it'd be nice to idiot-proof it as much as practical 19:05:53 right. 19:12:53 http://wsabstract.com/javatutors/radiocheck.shtml 19:12:53 D: http://wsabstract.com/javatutors/radiocheck.shtml from davb 19:13:04 D:|Radio and Checkboxes in Javascript 19:13:04 titled item D 19:13:14 cool 19:13:28 * AaronSw reconnects 19:45:28 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 19:58:56 argh: secret client asks "what's up with arsdigita" 19:59:12 I told him, it doesn't matter OpenACS is the future. 19:59:18 that's true 20:00:05 very much so. especially in Tcl. Hopefully I can actually get this project off the ground and make it a good example for OpenACS. 20:02:05 time to get to work on intermedia-driver 20:04:42 That article that mentions aD switching to partly closed should also mention that OpenACS took over ACS/Tcl sucessfully. 20:05:28 davb: you will take it off. no worries. 20:06:06 yes, I just have to get him to cough up some money. Thats the tricky part :) 20:06:11 we have to improve our PR department :) but first we should do the best to improve the toolkit 20:06:16 :) 20:08:08 I had a "fun" conversation with someone this weekend. He said "I am rewriting our shopping cart in VB/ASP". I said is that the best tool? 20:10:39 But I find the old notions somehow appealing. Not that I want to go back 20:10:39 to them -- it is outrageous to have some outer authority tell you what is 20:10:39 proper use and abuse of your own faculties, and it is ludicrous to hold 20:10:39 reason higher than body or feeling. Still there is something true and 20:10:39 profoundly sane about the belief that acts like murder or theft or 20:10:39 assault violate the doer as well as the done to. We might even, if we 20:10:39 thought this way, have less crime. The popular view of crime, as far as 20:10:39 I can deduce it from the movies and television, is that it is a breaking 20:10:39 of a rule by someone who thinks they can get away with that; implicitly, 20:10:39 everyone would like to break the rule, but not everyone is arrogant 20:10:39 enough to imagine they can get away with it. It therefore becomes very 20:10:40 important for the rule upholders to bring such arrogance down. 20:10:40 -- Marilyn French, "The Woman's Room" 20:10:40 He says "Well what else is there? The only languages [tools] for web development is VB/ASP and Perl" 20:10:40 :) 20:10:40 I just decided it was not worth to effot to continue the coversation. 20:10:40 ack s/to effot/the effort 20:10:40 talli and roberto had an interesting conversation about perl a while back let me search the logs. 20:10:40 markd2 (~markd2@r-41.72.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 20:10:40 00:12:06 i'm actually quite amazed by how poorly functioning slashdot is 20:10:40 00:12:08 oh well 20:10:40 00:13:24 It runs on MySQL. What would you expect? 20:10:40 00:14:05 perl/mysql. not that perl is bad. 20:10:40 00:14:20 but those are usually the ingredients of ugly hacks 20:10:40 00:14:23 Perl can be very bad. 20:10:42 00:14:24 for ugly hacks 20:10:44 00:14:39 You have to force yourself to write reasonably readable code in Perl. 20:10:46 00:14:50 !#$%!(#$! is probably a valid Perl expression 20:10:48 00:15:06 i know people that prefer perl to their wives. 20:10:50 00:15:15 i don't know what i going on in their lives. 20:10:54 Oct 30, 2001. 20:11:02 :) 20:11:31 I should stuff the logs into my database when I covert to OpenACS 4. then they can be searched with OpenFTS 20:11:34 Don should see this: 20:11:37 Documentation: 20:11:38 Instructions translated from Swedish by Japanese for English 20:11:38 speaking persons. 20:12:44 oh my 20:12:58 what's up mark 20:13:04 after tomorrow I am out of town for the rest of the week. I will be totally un-wired. Maybe I can setup a webmail thing... 20:13:09 that quote for don 20:13:33 if he joins the chat room. i'll room. he mentioned documentation for more than 3 times today 20:13:40 s/room/run 20:14:07 ah 20:14:16 didn't know if "I'll room" is some weird greek slang 20:14:31 davb: i'll be out of town from friday. don't know if i'll have net access. 20:14:35 yeah. I semi-volunteered to help with documentation, but its not happening this week... 20:14:45 excellent. we will both be free for a few days :) 20:15:08 "I'll room" was wrong 20:15:10 :) 20:15:53 markd2 has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org - you'll room for joy. 20:16:01 i am suppose to take pictures at the contraint programming conference next week (i don't have a clue about photography). Kowalski is going to be here. 20:16:07 lol 20:16:42 * davb wonders who Kowalski is... 20:16:56 i'm not sure if he's so popular in the US. He actually set the foundations for PROLOG (logic programming) 20:17:02 read Philip's photo book for hints. 20:17:07 Interesting. 20:17:34 i did. i am going to travel this summer. travels with "samantha". first i need to buy a laptop and then name it samantha or whatever 20:18:12 Cool. 20:19:30 The truth of a thing is the feel of it, not the think of it. 20:19:30 -- Stanley Kubrick 20:21:34 http://www.lego.com/studios/screening/movie.asp?title=montypython 20:21:34 E: http://www.lego.com/studios/screening/movie.asp?title=montypython from markd2 20:21:39 E: Impressive Lego animation 20:21:40 commented item E 20:22:10 markd2: thanks for the lego links from badgertronics.com 20:22:28 E: This is amazing! 20:22:28 commented item E 20:22:43 There is no character, howsoever good and fine, but it can be destroyed by 20:22:43 ridicule, howsoever poor and witless. Observe the ass, for instance: his 20:22:43 character is about perfect, he is the choicest spirit among all the humbler 20:22:43 animals, yet see what ridicule has brought him to. Instead of feeling 20:22:43 complimented when we are called an ass, we are left in doubt. 20:22:44 -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar" 20:24:48 http://www.photographica.org/ 20:24:48 F: http://www.photographica.org/ from davb 20:24:58 F:|Photograpgica - Photoblog 20:24:59 titled item F 20:25:15 F: for when you want to feel totally unsure of your photo abilities 20:25:16 commented item F 20:35:40 later guys 20:35:47 k2pts has left #openacs 21:22:26 ola has quit ("changing universes") 21:28:21 http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~hal/misc/generation-of-greatness.html 21:28:22 G: http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~hal/misc/generation-of-greatness.html from davb 21:28:31 G:|Generation of Greatness 21:28:31 titled item G 21:28:45 AaronSw might like this if he hasn't already seen it 21:29:14 Hmm, is that the one about the MIT program? 21:29:28 yep 21:29:30 Edwin land rocks 21:29:39 Cool. 21:43:07 bye 21:43:10 davb has quit () 22:04:12 donb (~donb@dsl-dhogaza.pacifier.net) has joined #openacs 22:04:26 donb has quit (Client Quit) 22:16:46 talli (~talli@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 22:17:02 talli has quit (Client Quit) 23:31:44 markd2 has quit ("band") 23:48:21 davb (dave@alb-66-24-206-3.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 23:49:28 * AaronSw disconnects 23:51:06 * AaronSw reconnects 23:56:00 davb has quit ()