IRC log of openacs on 2001-11-20
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- wheeee
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- wheeee markd2
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- 00:51:02 [markd2]
- exciting day
- 00:51:13 [markd2]
- * markd2 studies oracle backup and recovery
- 00:51:39 [k2pts]
- wow, how's it going?
- 00:52:34 [markd2]
- test #3 out of 5 for the DBA cert
- 00:52:46 [markd2]
- figured I might as well finish it off - it'll be good reusme fodder
- 00:52:49 [k2pts]
- great. good to hear that
- 00:52:54 [k2pts]
- yeap
- 00:52:57 [markd2]
- I should be in good shape to take the test next month
- 00:53:00 [k2pts]
- where's everybody?
- 00:53:16 [k2pts]
- i have to prepare for my gre exams (i'm already late)
- 00:53:26 [k2pts]
- not much traffic lately
- 00:53:35 [markd2]
- what subject gre?
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- 00:53:41 [k2pts]
- general
- 00:53:42 [docwolf]
- HOLA
- 00:53:44 [markd2]
- cool
- 00:53:45 [k2pts]
- hey doc
- 00:53:46 [markd2]
- yo doc
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- 00:53:53 [k2pts]
- wb
- 00:53:55 [docwolf]
- yo]
- 00:53:56 [markd2]
- I took the math GRE, as part of my undergraduate requirements
- 00:54:05 [markd2]
- I had to answer 4 questiosn right, so I did
- 00:54:09 [markd2]
- and walked out early
- 00:54:19 [markd2]
- I had *no* desire to go to grad school in math
- 00:54:19 [k2pts]
- i have to do it if I want to go to grad school
- 00:54:21 [k2pts]
- :)
- 00:54:35 [markd2]
- my friend Shannon was taking the chemistry one so she could get into grade school
- 00:54:37 [markd2]
- er, grad school
- 00:54:41 [markd2]
- she hated me for weeks after I walked out early
- 00:54:51 [k2pts]
- :) it's not a requirement at mit
- 00:55:19 [markd2]
- Hendrix required "comprehensive exams" (comps) as a graduation requirement
- 00:55:21 [k2pts]
- the only university which does not require gre exams for cs grad school :)
- 00:55:27 [markd2]
- some departments it was easy (go to dinner with the religion professor)
- 00:55:40 [markd2]
- some were cruel. The business department had two written tests and an oral exam
- 00:55:48 [markd2]
- and it was definitely bring your own vaseline
- 00:55:54 [k2pts]
- lol
- 00:56:23 [k2pts]
- docwolf: did it work (the pdf thing)
- 00:57:37 [k2pts]
- markd2: where's everybody. not much traffic lately, right?
- 00:58:04 [markd2]
- heh
- 00:58:13 [markd2]
- guess they're hiding
- 00:58:19 [markd2]
- or off being productive
- 00:58:20 [k2pts]
- from me? :)
- 00:58:25 [markd2]
- or seeing the Harry Potter movie again
- 00:58:41 [k2pts]
- even psychephylax is not around anymore
- 00:58:49 [markd2]
- Is he on his vacation now?
- 00:58:54 [k2pts]
- don't know
- 00:59:26 [markd2]
- k:-) oh my god! there's an axe in my head
- 00:59:32 [k2pts]
- :)
- 01:00:05 [k2pts]
- anyways, have to get some sleep. have to wake up early tomorrow (3 o' clock here)
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- see ya markd2
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- k2pts: haven't tried it yet :-)
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- [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We have at least one global software upgrade to perform on the servers, and it occurred to me this might be a good opportunity to get feedback on the best times to shut servers down and bring them back up. We don't have any sort of web poll facility set up, so if you could send email we'd appreciate it. Poll follows.
- 03:16:36 [lilo]
- [GlobalNotice] Please let us know via email to support@openprojects.net, two things: (1) what server name you use to connect to OPN, and (2) what times (including your local timezone in very plain English) are least inconvenient for you to have your server shut down. Thanks.
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- 13:17:01 [niven.openprojects.net]
- topic is: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org
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- Users on #openacs: loggy ola chump docwolf shagster AaronSw abbaJ
- 13:17:01 [ChanServ]
- [#openacs] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog
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- 13:59:14 [ola]
- morning davb
- 13:59:50 [davb]
- Hello.
- 14:02:49 [davb]
- http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/keywords.html
- 14:02:49 [chump]
- A: http://www.mozilla.org/docs/end-user/keywords.html from davb
- 14:02:59 [davb]
- A:|How Cool are Custom Keywords?
- 14:02:59 [chump]
- titled item A
- 14:03:05 [markd2]
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- A: custom keywords in Mozilla
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- commented item A
- 14:03:09 [davb]
- A: It is very cool
- 14:03:09 [chump]
- commented item A
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- 14:26:51 [davb]
- What does P mean when updating CVS?
- 14:26:55 [markd2]
- Patching
- 14:27:00 [davb]
- thanks!
- 14:27:00 [markd2]
- It's the same as Updating
- 14:27:06 [markd2]
- just implementation difference
- 14:27:32 [davb]
- excellent.
- 14:39:09 [k2pts]
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- 14:51:00 [davb]
- k2pts: glossary did not install correctly last night, but I just installed it now and it was fine. I'll test it now.
- 14:53:43 [k2pts]
- yes i did fix some stuff last night and today
- 15:03:35 [davb]
- i added a term with the go-live workflow no problem. I used the full-term-workflow and went through and approved it, but its not appearing in the glossary.
- 15:15:20 [ola]
- hey guys! I just installed a fresh copy of oacs4. guess what happens when I select a few packages for installation and hit "Next-->"...the next page says "No packages selected"...!!
- 15:15:40 [ola]
- any ideas as to what it might be?
- 15:17:01 [davb]
- not sure.
- 15:17:14 [davb]
- I checked out acs-core yesterday and installing packages works.
- 15:19:01 [ola]
- ok. I checked it out around noon (GMT) today...
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- 15:19:53 [ola]
- hola doc
- 15:20:16 [k2pts]
- davb: I noticed that too. I thing that's a problem with the glossary package (I remember it was doing the same thing previously)
- 15:20:28 [k2pts]
- hey doc
- 15:20:41 [k2pts]
- hey ola
- 15:20:53 [ola]
- hi k2pts!
- 15:20:59 [markd2]
- lemme go check
- 15:21:04 [markd2]
- er,
- 15:21:16 [ola]
- hey markd2
- 15:21:33 [docwolf]
- hi
- 15:23:03 [davb]
- k2pts: ok
- 15:23:18 [k2pts]
- how's everything else?
- 15:23:33 [davb]
- Fine. I need to check ticket tracker now.
- 15:24:09 [davb]
- but I don't forsee an workflow problems.
- 15:24:12 [k2pts]
- cms,ticket-tracker (it had a broken dependency call -- nothing serious). It should work with oracle
- 15:24:21 [k2pts]
- tt that is
- 15:24:50 [k2pts]
- I also found a bug in the pg upgrade script. It only came up when I was testing the tt. I fixed it now.
- 15:25:08 [ola]
- davb: it worked after I reloaded the package selection page:-/
- 15:25:24 [davb]
- k2pts: I installed Glossary first, it created a cr_workflows table, then
- 15:25:30 [davb]
- CMS tries to create the same things.
- 15:25:44 [davb]
- I got a bunch of unique contrainst errors when it installed.
- 15:25:49 [davb]
- (cms)
- 15:26:21 [davb]
- I also have an error in add_manual_assignment in the ticket-tracker install.
- 15:26:36 [k2pts]
- that's the broken dependency in the tt
- 15:26:51 [k2pts]
- add a 'f' for permanent_p
- 15:26:54 [davb]
- ok :)
- 15:27:30 [k2pts]
- about cms. I think you will have no trouble if you install cms first. just a feeling.
- 15:27:58 [davb]
- It did the same thing yesterday with Glossary when I installed CMS first. I'll try it again today.
- 15:28:52 [k2pts]
- that's strange. we need to debug it. the pg version seems to be in a really good shape. I'm doing a final test right now and then I can help check the oracle version. bbiab
- 15:29:47 [davb]
- ok
- 15:39:57 [ola]
- ot: ref-timezones has inserted over 20000 rows (and is still going strong). is this normal?
- 15:40:29 [k2pts]
- yeap
- 15:43:01 [davb]
- http://www.hastingsresearch.com/net/06-anti-thesaurus.shtml
- 15:43:02 [chump]
- B: http://www.hastingsresearch.com/net/06-anti-thesaurus.shtml from davb
- 15:43:11 [davb]
- B:|The Anti-Thesaurus
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- titled item B
- 15:43:19 [davb]
- B:A Proposal For Improving Internet Search While Reducing Unnecessary Traffic Loads
- 15:43:20 [chump]
- commented item B
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- 16:01:29 [markd2]
- yeah
- 16:01:42 [markd2]
- my ad.com email has that subscribed, and almost nothing else
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- 16:47:05 [davb]
- * davb battles network solutions (again)
- 16:49:13 [markd2]
- watching it now
- 16:50:45 [davb]
- I didn't know the network solutions battles were televised.
- 16:50:59 [markd2]
- http://www.oddtodd.com/
- 16:51:00 [chump]
- C: http://www.oddtodd.com/ from markd2
- 16:51:08 [markd2]
- C: day in the life of the laid-off
- 16:51:09 [chump]
- commented item C
- 16:51:14 [docwolf]
- the video really is perfect.
- 16:51:23 [docwolf]
- it is a sad commentary.
- 16:52:30 [markd2]
- that rules
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- it gives me something to strive for
- 16:56:05 [docwolf]
- haha
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- 17:47:35 [k2pts]
- hi donb
- 17:48:53 [donb]
- Hi ... I'm in the middle of committing some minor changes ...
- 17:49:17 [k2pts]
- i'm fixing a callback (in the oracle version).
- 17:49:26 [k2pts]
- of ticket tracker.
- 17:49:43 [k2pts]
- the pgsql has been tested well. i don't expect any major bugs from now on.
- 17:50:30 [k2pts]
- oracle has been tested well too. it's just that tt makes use of acs-wf to write its own callbacks (one type mismatch caused by the change)
- 17:51:28 [donb]
- OK, yes, I saw your e-mail earlier, things appear to be falling together. ETP Oracle's just about there, too, Jon Griffin's testing today and will either repair any problems or e-mail details to me.
- 17:51:58 [donb]
- We need to get rolling on documentation ...
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- * k2pts hides
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- 17:52:49 [donb]
- You're familiar with the slang expression "it's all Greek to me!" ?
- 17:53:15 [k2pts]
- :)
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- yeap
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- 17:53:35 [donb]
- You could just write documentation in Greek for us ...
- 17:53:44 [k2pts]
- sure
- 17:53:57 [donb]
- Then people could use that expression in all honesty!
- 17:54:28 [k2pts]
- actually I would like to practice on my english. I am gonna take the gre/toefl exams very soon (and haven't prepared a bit)
- 17:55:02 [donb]
- Your written English is very good but I have no idea what kind of arcane stuff they stick on the toefl exams.
- 17:55:19 [k2pts]
- toefle are ok
- 17:55:24 [k2pts]
- s/toefle/toefl
- 17:55:28 [k2pts]
- gre are the problem
- 17:56:28 [donb]
- When do you take them?
- 17:56:35 [k2pts]
- have registered yet :)
- 17:56:39 [k2pts]
- haven't
- 17:57:03 [donb]
- So has anyone out there heard from Roberto recently?
- 17:57:06 [k2pts]
- i'm leaving for a conference on constraint programming this friday and hopefully when I'm back
- 17:57:28 [k2pts]
- haven't seen him for a while around #openacs (not much traffic lately)
- 17:58:05 [donb]
- the yanks are getting ready to slaughter untold numbers of turkeys for Thursday's meal ...
- 17:58:23 [markd2]
- maybe the us govt went completely berzerk and deported him :-(
- 17:58:33 [donb]
- I have worried about that, Mark ...
- 17:58:58 [markd2]
- that and his cow fetish
- 17:59:08 [donb]
- His cow fetish? Tell me more!
- 17:59:19 [markd2]
- he seems to moo fairly often
- 17:59:36 [donb]
- I'm a cow tipper, myself ...
- 18:10:30 [donb]
- Well ... this is too exciting for me ... I'm taking off. 'til later, folks!
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- * markd2 wakes up
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- * markd2 tries to be exciting
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- 18:55:26 [markd2]
- anyone l33t with javascript here?
- 18:55:38 [k2pts]
- not me
- 18:59:38 [davb]
- sorry, never touch the stuff.
- 18:59:59 [markd2]
- bummer. oh well
- 19:00:03 [markd2]
- I've got this: http://badgertronics.com/wplug/penguin/ballot.adp
- 19:00:18 [markd2]
- and I want the radio buttons to behave that only one can be selected in each column or row
- 19:02:44 [davb]
- I don't think you need javascript
- 19:02:45 [davb]
- * davb looks
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- each row too?
- 19:03:37 [davb]
- I mean column? So there can be only one 4?
- 19:04:27 [markd2]
- yep
- 19:04:31 [markd2]
- well 5
- 19:04:40 [markd2]
- one "1" rank for a name, one '2" rank for a name
- 19:04:44 [markd2]
- no duplicates of ranks or names
- 19:05:04 [davb]
- ok.
- 19:05:23 [markd2]
- I'm gonna check it in the code that handles the page, but it'd be nice to idiot-proof it as much as practical
- 19:05:53 [davb]
- right.
- 19:12:53 [davb]
- http://wsabstract.com/javatutors/radiocheck.shtml
- 19:12:53 [chump]
- D: http://wsabstract.com/javatutors/radiocheck.shtml from davb
- 19:13:04 [davb]
- D:|Radio and Checkboxes in Javascript
- 19:13:04 [chump]
- titled item D
- 19:13:14 [markd2]
- cool
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- 19:58:56 [davb]
- argh: secret client asks "what's up with arsdigita"
- 19:59:12 [davb]
- I told him, it doesn't matter OpenACS is the future.
- 19:59:18 [k2pts]
- that's true
- 20:00:05 [davb]
- very much so. especially in Tcl. Hopefully I can actually get this project off the ground and make it a good example for OpenACS.
- 20:02:05 [davb]
- time to get to work on intermedia-driver
- 20:04:42 [davb]
- That article that mentions aD switching to partly closed should also mention that OpenACS took over ACS/Tcl sucessfully.
- 20:05:28 [k2pts]
- davb: you will take it off. no worries.
- 20:06:06 [davb]
- yes, I just have to get him to cough up some money. Thats the tricky part :)
- 20:06:11 [k2pts]
- we have to improve our PR department :) but first we should do the best to improve the toolkit
- 20:06:16 [k2pts]
- :)
- 20:08:08 [davb]
- I had a "fun" conversation with someone this weekend. He said "I am rewriting our shopping cart in VB/ASP". I said is that the best tool?
- 20:10:39 [k2pts]
- But I find the old notions somehow appealing. Not that I want to go back
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- to them -- it is outrageous to have some outer authority tell you what is
- 20:10:39 [k2pts]
- proper use and abuse of your own faculties, and it is ludicrous to hold
- 20:10:39 [k2pts]
- reason higher than body or feeling. Still there is something true and
- 20:10:39 [k2pts]
- profoundly sane about the belief that acts like murder or theft or
- 20:10:39 [k2pts]
- assault violate the doer as well as the done to. We might even, if we
- 20:10:39 [k2pts]
- thought this way, have less crime. The popular view of crime, as far as
- 20:10:39 [k2pts]
- I can deduce it from the movies and television, is that it is a breaking
- 20:10:39 [k2pts]
- of a rule by someone who thinks they can get away with that; implicitly,
- 20:10:39 [k2pts]
- everyone would like to break the rule, but not everyone is arrogant
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- enough to imagine they can get away with it. It therefore becomes very
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- important for the rule upholders to bring such arrogance down.
- 20:10:40 [k2pts]
- -- Marilyn French, "The Woman's Room"
- 20:10:40 [davb]
- He says "Well what else is there? The only languages [tools] for web development is VB/ASP and Perl"
- 20:10:40 [k2pts]
- :)
- 20:10:40 [davb]
- I just decided it was not worth to effot to continue the coversation.
- 20:10:40 [davb]
- ack s/to effot/the effort
- 20:10:40 [k2pts]
- talli and roberto had an interesting conversation about perl a while back let me search the logs.
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- 20:10:40 [k2pts]
- 00:12:06 <talli> i'm actually quite amazed by how poorly functioning slashdot is
- 20:10:40 [k2pts]
- 00:12:08 <talli> oh well
- 20:10:40 [k2pts]
- 00:13:24 <rbm> It runs on MySQL. What would you expect?
- 20:10:40 [k2pts]
- 00:14:05 <talli> perl/mysql. not that perl is bad.
- 20:10:40 [k2pts]
- 00:14:20 <talli> but those are usually the ingredients of ugly hacks
- 20:10:40 [k2pts]
- 00:14:23 <rbm> Perl can be very bad.
- 20:10:42 [k2pts]
- 00:14:24 <talli> for ugly hacks
- 20:10:44 [k2pts]
- 00:14:39 <rbm> You have to force yourself to write reasonably readable code in Perl.
- 20:10:46 [k2pts]
- 00:14:50 <rbm> !#$%!(#$! is probably a valid Perl expression
- 20:10:48 [k2pts]
- 00:15:06 <talli> i know people that prefer perl to their wives.
- 20:10:50 [k2pts]
- 00:15:15 <talli> i don't know what i going on in their lives.
- 20:10:54 [k2pts]
- Oct 30, 2001.
- 20:11:02 [davb]
- :)
- 20:11:31 [davb]
- I should stuff the logs into my database when I covert to OpenACS 4. then they can be searched with OpenFTS
- 20:11:34 [k2pts]
- Don should see this:
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- Documentation:
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- Instructions translated from Swedish by Japanese for English
- 20:11:38 [k2pts]
- speaking persons.
- 20:12:44 [markd2]
- oh my
- 20:12:58 [k2pts]
- what's up mark
- 20:13:04 [davb]
- after tomorrow I am out of town for the rest of the week. I will be totally un-wired. Maybe I can setup a webmail thing...
- 20:13:09 [markd2]
- that quote for don
- 20:13:33 [k2pts]
- if he joins the chat room. i'll room. he mentioned documentation for more than 3 times today
- 20:13:40 [k2pts]
- s/room/run
- 20:14:07 [markd2]
- ah
- 20:14:16 [markd2]
- didn't know if "I'll room" is some weird greek slang
- 20:14:31 [k2pts]
- davb: i'll be out of town from friday. don't know if i'll have net access.
- 20:14:35 [davb]
- yeah. I semi-volunteered to help with documentation, but its not happening this week...
- 20:14:45 [davb]
- excellent. we will both be free for a few days :)
- 20:15:08 [k2pts]
- "I'll room" was wrong
- 20:15:10 [k2pts]
- :)
- 20:15:53 [markd2]
- markd2 has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org - you'll room for joy.
- 20:16:01 [k2pts]
- i am suppose to take pictures at the contraint programming conference next week (i don't have a clue about photography). Kowalski is going to be here.
- 20:16:07 [k2pts]
- lol
- 20:16:42 [davb]
- * davb wonders who Kowalski is...
- 20:16:56 [k2pts]
- i'm not sure if he's so popular in the US. He actually set the foundations for PROLOG (logic programming)
- 20:17:02 [davb]
- read Philip's photo book for hints.
- 20:17:07 [davb]
- Interesting.
- 20:17:34 [k2pts]
- i did. i am going to travel this summer. travels with "samantha". first i need to buy a laptop and then name it samantha or whatever
- 20:18:12 [davb]
- Cool.
- 20:19:30 [k2pts]
- The truth of a thing is the feel of it, not the think of it.
- 20:19:30 [k2pts]
- -- Stanley Kubrick
- 20:21:34 [markd2]
- http://www.lego.com/studios/screening/movie.asp?title=montypython
- 20:21:34 [chump]
- E: http://www.lego.com/studios/screening/movie.asp?title=montypython from markd2
- 20:21:39 [markd2]
- E: Impressive Lego animation
- 20:21:40 [chump]
- commented item E
- 20:22:10 [davb]
- markd2: thanks for the lego links from badgertronics.com
- 20:22:28 [davb]
- E: This is amazing!
- 20:22:28 [chump]
- commented item E
- 20:22:43 [k2pts]
- There is no character, howsoever good and fine, but it can be destroyed by
- 20:22:43 [k2pts]
- ridicule, howsoever poor and witless. Observe the ass, for instance: his
- 20:22:43 [k2pts]
- character is about perfect, he is the choicest spirit among all the humbler
- 20:22:43 [k2pts]
- animals, yet see what ridicule has brought him to. Instead of feeling
- 20:22:43 [k2pts]
- complimented when we are called an ass, we are left in doubt.
- 20:22:44 [k2pts]
- -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"
- 20:24:48 [davb]
- http://www.photographica.org/
- 20:24:48 [chump]
- F: http://www.photographica.org/ from davb
- 20:24:58 [davb]
- F:|Photograpgica - Photoblog
- 20:24:59 [chump]
- titled item F
- 20:25:15 [davb]
- F: for when you want to feel totally unsure of your photo abilities
- 20:25:16 [chump]
- commented item F
- 20:35:40 [k2pts]
- later guys
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- 21:28:21 [davb]
- http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~hal/misc/generation-of-greatness.html
- 21:28:22 [chump]
- G: http://www.swiss.ai.mit.edu/~hal/misc/generation-of-greatness.html from davb
- 21:28:31 [davb]
- G:|Generation of Greatness
- 21:28:31 [chump]
- titled item G
- 21:28:45 [davb]
- AaronSw might like this if he hasn't already seen it
- 21:29:14 [AaronSw]
- Hmm, is that the one about the MIT program?
- 21:29:28 [AaronSw]
- yep
- 21:29:30 [AaronSw]
- Edwin land rocks
- 21:29:39 [davb]
- Cool.
- 21:43:07 [davb]
- bye
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