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05:12:15 <davb> http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23821&cid=2581831
05:12:16 <chump> A: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23821&cid=2581831 from davb
05:12:30 <davb> A:|Should we use Hierarchal  DBs for XML?
05:12:30 <chump> titled item A
05:12:41 <davb> A: "The desire to impose a hierarchy on the data itself instead of considering a hierarchy as simply one view on the data is a step backwards.  Nobody who manages large amounts of data is looking to jam it into a static hierarchy, and so XML is not an answer, nor is any hierarchical representation.
05:12:41 <davb> 		"
05:12:41 <chump> commented item A
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06:17:30 <k2pts> davb: just for the record. thanks a *lot* for the help.
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15:16:54 <k2pts> hey dave, are you online?
15:19:50 <davb> hello
15:20:13 <k2pts> thanks for the workflows
15:20:20 <davb> np.
15:20:23 <k2pts> i'm waiting the ok from Don.
15:20:48 <k2pts> the ticket-tracker wf is the on in the ticket-tracker package right ? (not wf-ticket-tracker package)
15:20:55 <davb> good. I really need to get some time to work on the new intermedia-driver package
15:20:56 <davb> yes.
15:21:02 <k2pts> ok
15:21:32 <k2pts> i don't have time for the search stuff to make it into alpha2 (next time)
15:21:49 <davb> right. As long as its ready for beta.
15:21:53 <k2pts> i am available if you need any help
15:22:01 <davb> or rather beta will probabbly wait for it.
15:22:57 <davb> Ok. I am going out of town on wednesday for the rest of the week so I won't get much done after that. I'll let you know if I have any qyestions. I am basically going to copy the openfts-driver style to work with intermedia.
15:23:16 <k2pts> yes that's the idea
15:23:28 <k2pts> * k2pts organizes his mail folders
15:38:42 <davb> http://kode-fu.com/rosetta/index.html
15:38:43 <chump> B: http://kode-fu.com/rosetta/index.html from davb
15:38:50 <davb> B:|The Rosetta Stone
15:38:50 <chump> titled item B
15:39:15 <davb> B: A cross-language reference
15:39:15 <davb> for programming in C/C++/C#, 
15:39:15 <davb> Java, Python, RB, VB and VB.NET
15:39:16 <chump> commented item B
15:39:35 <davb> B: for programming in C/C++/C#,  Java, Python, RB, VB and VB.NET
15:39:35 <chump> commented item B
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16:44:32 <davb> hi markd2
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16:46:05 <davb> hi ola!
16:46:26 <ola> hi davb
16:49:16 <ola> did you see any trace of the Leonids?
16:50:16 <ola> it was too foggy here...
16:51:21 <davb> A few. We woke up at 6am, it was getting light here.
16:51:34 <davb> Those we saw were very bright.
16:51:43 <markd2> it was *way* foggy here
16:51:48 <markd2> the thickest fog in years
16:52:33 <davb> Last lunar eclipse I setup a 400mm lens on a triod etc... it was clear right up until the eclipse started, then it started to snow and clouds moved over the moon.. :-(
16:56:53 <davb> chump: view
16:56:53 <chump> A: Should we use Hierarchal  DBs for XML? (http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23821&cid=2581831)
16:56:54 <chump> B: The Rosetta Stone (http://kode-fu.com/rosetta/index.html)
16:57:14 <ola> heh. that reminds me. I must get my new OACS career going soon...so I can afford my photo hobby:-)
16:57:50 <davb> good idea. That is my plan also.
16:58:20 <davb> davb has changed the topic to: OpenACS: Free Web Toolkit | http://openacs.org
17:13:53 <ola> hmm... I set the TTL field to 300 (5 minutes) for various aliases in the Tinydns "data" file and waited more than 5 minutes but they haven't propagated yet. why is that?
17:15:16 <markd2> did you bump your sequence number?
17:16:11 <ola> I don't think tere is such a thing in Tinydns, but I did a "make" and resrarted it.
17:16:32 <ola> s/tere/there
17:17:07 <davb> what are you using as your DNS server for queries? Your ISP?
17:18:19 <ola> what do you mean?
17:18:20 <davb> the 5 minutes will start the next time a particular DNS cache server hits your DNS server after you made the changes. This happened to me last week :)
17:18:56 <ola> aha
17:18:58 <davb> ie: my ISP takes FOREVER to update its caches, often people outside can get to my sites before I can because my ISP is last to update the changes.
17:20:39 <ola> I use a "dnscache" of my own. I dont use my ISP for my queries.
17:21:50 <davb> ok.
17:22:41 <ola> good explanation, Dave. thank you!
17:24:30 <davb> np. thats it, I am all out of DNS infomation.
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17:47:13 <k2pts> hi everybody.
17:47:18 <markd2> greetings
17:47:46 <k2pts> Don said ok and I'm gonna start commiting acs-wf-4.3 in a while plus the necessary changes for cms. The cvs tree will be broken until I'm done.
17:47:56 <k2pts> hey markd2
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17:51:16 <docwolf> hi all
17:51:21 <k2pts> hey doc
17:51:31 <docwolf> got a question for you all.
17:51:47 <docwolf> how can i create a PDF file in windows without Acrobat?
17:51:58 <docwolf> from an MS word doc
17:52:19 <davb> Wordperfect can do it.
17:52:19 <k2pts> you can print it (save it in a file). this will create a postscript file.
17:52:29 <k2pts> then convert it to pdf using available tools
17:52:33 <davb> that is better.
17:52:52 <davb> k2pts: good.
17:53:12 <k2pts> davb: I'm checking in the changes right now. would you be able to repeat the tests we did this morning
17:53:13 <k2pts> ?
17:53:24 <k2pts> i'll let you know when i'm done.
17:53:45 <k2pts> I mean: create a basic item and check the workflow pages
17:53:53 <docwolf> i'm not sure i understand this.  Word offers no export or save a PS file
17:54:02 <k2pts> when you print...
17:54:31 <docwolf> when i print, my only choice is to my physical printer, or the fax.
17:54:36 <k2pts> it gives you the option to print to file. if you have a laser printer configured (you don't necessarily need to have the printer)
17:54:54 <k2pts> the file that is being created will be a postscript file
17:55:03 <docwolf> ok. cool.
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17:55:50 <k2pts> davb: or you can just do the installation and let me know when it's ok to browse to your site
17:55:57 <davb> k2pts: sure.
17:56:03 <k2pts> ok great. thanks
17:56:09 <davb> let me know when its ready to install.
17:56:12 <k2pts> sure
17:56:23 <docwolf> ok. it saves as a PRN file. excellent.  Now, which tool can i d/l to generate a PDF? will ghostscript do it?
17:56:39 <k2pts> rename to .ps (it's actually a postscript file)
17:57:05 <k2pts> just search the net for available tools. i'm using ps2pdf under linux
17:57:05 <docwolf> ok. done. 
17:58:00 <k2pts> just in case you see strange characters (then add a printer that you know is *standard*)
17:58:10 <davb> I am going to lunch...bbl
17:58:35 <k2pts> davb: enjoy, doc:and do it again. I don't expect problems though. if you can see it with ghostview it should be ok as a pdf file too
18:00:47 <docwolf> sweet, thanks k2pts
18:00:52 <k2pts> np
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18:55:27 <davb> k2pts: should I reinstall yet?
19:01:28 <k2pts> hold on a bit
19:02:14 <k2pts> ok check if it installs ok. and then try cms. we want to be sure that everything was checked in before we announce it. (i'm checking pg right now)
19:05:26 <k2pts> dave ack
19:12:27 <k2pts> dave, I forgot to check in something. give me a couple of minutes
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19:21:18 <k2pts> dave, you can try now
19:21:23 <k2pts> update your cvs tree
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19:30:33 <davb> ok
19:32:00 <davb> k2pts: its asking me for your CVS password... weird, something is misconfigured in CVS I think.
19:33:54 <davb> I did a new checkout, that worked ok.
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19:39:09 <k2pts> davb: cms too?
19:39:51 <k2pts> nm
19:51:06 <davb> reloading...
19:54:00 <k2pts> ok, i'm testing postgresql. i missed a file earlier. oracle should be ok. if you want to install postgresql make sure you update to get that file
19:54:18 <k2pts> sql/postgresql/cms-workflow.sql
19:55:13 <davb> ok
19:56:11 <k2pts> davb: the workflows that you have send me were they exported with the fixed procedure (or do they have integer instead of number -- I think they do). I'm probably going to edit it.
19:58:06 <davb> I think they have the integer still. (oops :)
19:59:07 <k2pts> np, i'll edit. nothing serious.
20:04:16 <davb> k2pts: error creating workflow...
20:04:18 <davb>  problems though. if you can see it with ghostview it should be ok as a pdf
20:04:25 <davb> ook....
20:04:36 <davb> nt.schedule_process(1,'localhost',25);
20:04:36 <davb>     *
20:04:36 <davb> ERROR at line 2:
20:04:36 <davb> ORA-06550: line 2, column 5:
20:04:36 <davb> PLS-00201: identifier 'NT.SCHEDULE_PROCESS' must be declared
20:04:37 <davb> ORA-06550: line 2, column 5:
20:04:38 <davb> PL/SQL: Statement ignored
20:05:40 <k2pts> we can ignore this for the moment.
20:05:46 <k2pts> we are using acs_mail
20:05:47 <k2pts> right?
20:06:10 <davb> ..? I am not sure...
20:06:21 <davb> I think so.
20:06:33 <k2pts> we did yesterday :)
20:06:46 <davb> oh yes. it s/b acs_mail_nt.schedule_process... 
20:06:56 <k2pts> right
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20:08:52 <k2pts> the PG version works great. if you confirm that oracle does to. i'm gonna update glossary and ticket tracker. test once more and announce
20:09:12 <davb> Ok. I am testing it now.
20:12:07 <davb> argh. cms is a pain...
20:14:54 <davb> it won't let me in...
20:16:07 <davb> ok I am in a bad mood. I tried to add a screen name, but it keeps saying its ivalid when I enter it in the login screen,
20:17:07 <davb> arghargharghargh
20:17:18 <davb> CMS appears to not be able to add a user.
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20:20:15 <davb> I manually inserted the screen name in sqlplus.
20:21:37 <k2pts> those are problems with the oracle version of cms. nothing to do with our work
20:21:43 <k2pts> just for the record
20:22:02 <davb> I noticed :)
20:22:28 <davb> it created all the items even when it said I wasn't signed in...
20:23:23 <davb> uhoh, invalid column name when creating the new case in CMS
20:23:35 <davb> nt.schedule_process(1,'localhost',25);
20:23:35 <davb>     *
20:23:35 <davb> ERROR at line 2:
20:23:35 <davb> ORA-06550: line 2, column 5:
20:23:35 <davb> PLS-00201: identifier 'NT.SCHEDULE_PROCESS' must be declared
20:23:35 <davb> ORA-06550: line 2, column 5:
20:23:37 <davb> PL/SQL: Statement ignored
20:23:39 <davb> argh.
20:23:52 <k2pts> ok do it manually. let me tell you what you need to change
20:24:08 <davb> ok, 
20:25:13 <k2pts> change it to acs_mail_nt.schedule_process, do this manually so that you don't need to do it from the start
20:25:19 <k2pts> what file is that in?
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20:26:27 <donb> Hey folks ...
20:26:31 <k2pts> hey donb. acs-wf and cms pg-version works perfect
20:26:45 <k2pts> we are debugging something in oracle right now (nothing major)
20:26:55 <donb> Cool, glad to hear that.  I've updated my laptop and am taking a short break before taking off to work the rest of the afternoon.
20:27:15 <k2pts> davb it seems that  acs_mail_nt.schedule_process won't change anything.
20:27:22 <donb> OK ... I'll be mostly busy with ETP Oracle this afternoon anyway.
20:27:49 <donb> And moving files around on openacs.org, maybe - /home is 100% full so you can't upload files to new-file-storage, sigh.
20:28:09 <k2pts> donb:never noticed that
20:28:29 <donb> 9.2 GB configured for /usr, 5.5 GB for /var, only 1 GB for /home - grrr!  Ben's on drugs! :)
20:29:06 <donb> Peter Harper couldn't upload his new "news package automated tests" to new-file-storage, that's how I found out.
20:29:43 <davb> ok I am back, fixing...
20:32:10 <davb> k2pts: it is the ca.transition_key s/b trans.transition_key error in CMS...
20:32:28 <k2pts> file
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20:33:33 <davb> checking...
20:36:24 <k2pts> i am positive that I fixed that bug. what's the dir?
20:37:01 <davb> its in cmw/www/modules/workflow I am looking in the log... one sec
20:37:49 <davb> cms/www/modules/workflow/case-create it says
20:38:04 <k2pts> brb
20:38:49 <k2pts> ok checking
20:41:14 <k2pts> ok. obviously I missed these in overdue-items but this is not your problem since it works in PG
20:42:52 <k2pts> dave?
20:42:56 <davb> yes
20:43:49 <k2pts> overdue-items-oracle.xql, line 10, change to trans.transition_key (try again and let me know)
20:44:57 <davb> ok.
20:45:02 <k2pts> is it working?
20:45:36 <k2pts> same file, line ???
20:45:37 <davb> hang on, my terminal crashed...
20:46:05 <k2pts> line 35
20:46:35 <davb> ok testing
20:46:48 <k2pts> have you fixed line 35
20:46:49 <k2pts> ?
20:47:31 <davb> yes,
20:47:52 <davb> thats not it...
20:48:14 <k2pts> url? same username/password
20:48:26 <davb> all the same. screen name is davb
20:48:35 <k2pts> ok
20:48:37 <davb> 66.24.206.3:8000
20:55:34 <donb> I'm going to take off and get some work done ... happy bug squishing, you two.
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20:56:29 <k2pts> wb
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