00:00:18 doc: I really appreciated his response. princeton is where he did his phd 00:00:19 Turing led a really sad life. 00:00:45 the book is a love story and also includes an introduction to cs concepts for non-cs people 00:01:06 gee, sounds like philip's work. 00:01:18 I really liked one paragraph though most than anything else (I'll try to translate) 00:01:31 yes 00:01:40 (like philg) 00:02:06 he is the fifth best theoretician worldwide. some thing he will get the Turing award next 3-4 years. 00:02:31 he is currently working on game theory and the internet. his speech was great. 00:03:32 "Turing" (the novel) the prototype is in English but he is still negotiating the contract his publishers. The greek translation was published in 2000. 00:04:20 i'll try to translate my favorite paragraph, if that's ok. 00:04:25 sure 00:08:57 This anguish [when you want something very-very much], this pain, almost becomes physical. You can be the hero of school boys and wise professors, to swear in your name great capitalists but also the darkest pirates [crackers]. You can start a revolution, to humiliate great countries, to make them fight each other. You can solve the most famous/difficult problem, to write the cleverest code, and before you finish, to turn back and do it again, 00:08:58 and then once more. To seduce hundreds of lovers, to receive MBytes of emails from fans -- nothing softens the pain of a night of loneliness. 00:09:49 and then once more. To seduce hundreds of lovers, to receive MBytes of emails from fans -- nothing softens the pain of a night of loneliness 00:12:00 -- Turing, Christos Papadimitriou 00:12:10 nice 00:12:42 One of the chapters is named "tits" 00:12:46 heh 00:12:48 ! 00:13:20 speaking of lonliness, any of you own a playstation2? 00:13:26 nope 00:13:36 nope 00:13:40 i'm thinking of taking the plunge 00:13:44 because the more I play MAME 00:13:47 the more out of touch i get. 00:14:33 i've never played games except "leisure suit larry III" almost 12-13 years ago 00:14:49 it crashed when I was about to finish the game :) 00:14:52 I don't have time for computer games tehse days 00:15:04 although I did play about 18 straight hours of black&white when it came out 00:15:31 good lord 00:15:34 hazmat: i'm probably going to work on the package-specific search tomorrow 00:15:47 the only "modern" game i ever got into was half-life. 00:15:47 k2pts: awesome 00:16:33 k2pts: i think i'm still going to be using tsearch to enable more specific searchs on particular columns, this is in addition to the general site-search. 00:17:24 it's certainly faster. but right now, I'd rather work on making openfts index utf-8 documents (and use the dictionaries for stemming -- tedious task) 00:18:23 doc: papadimitriou is some kind of a legend among academics in cyprus and greece (don't know about the rest of the world) 00:18:36 he also wrote a paper with guess who? 00:18:52 BillG 00:19:00 blech!! 00:19:25 that will be cool, but till the templating and acs itself is il8n, i'm not sure how useful it will be to most people... 00:19:32 It was about some kind of sorting algorithm 00:19:45 hazmat: it's certainly useful for me :) 00:20:54 doc: he was billg's professor at harvard (some say he was the reason billg quit but I'm not sure) 00:22:48 Before Bill Gates decided to become the richest man on earth, 00:22:48 he was doing research on the fundamentals of algorithms. 00:22:48 He only published a single paper, and that's on this pancake 00:22:48 sorting problem: 00:22:48 W.H. Gates and C. Papadimitriou, 00:22:48 Bounds for sorting by prefix reversal. 00:22:50 Discrete Mathematics 27 (1979), pp 47-57. 00:23:10 haha 00:23:11 interesting. 00:23:38 They give an algorithm that sorts n pancakes with roughly 5n/3 operations. 00:27:27 graszew has quit ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.1") 00:33:09 doc: anthrax mail reminds me of the unabomber case a lot 00:34:56 * markd2 still waits for the Antrhaxabomber Manifesto 00:39:29 markd2: billg's paper is cited on a stoc (best theory conference) for genome rearrangements in mitochondrial DNA 00:39:52 cool 00:40:04 stoc 95 paper 00:42:57 Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! 00:43:19 you need a laptop and a porch swing 00:43:20 MachuPichu is now known as CrashesWithPlanes 00:43:32 pray for meeeee 00:43:37 about Antrhaxabomber: I meant that it is very difficult to track the sender and IIRC the unabomber case was the most costly case, right? 00:43:44 oh, we do that already 00:43:50 lol 00:43:58 a laptop, a porch swing, and a mint julip. 00:44:13 actually, i have 802.11b here, so... i go out on the terrace sometimes. 00:44:52 http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4257871,00.html 00:44:53 A: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4257871,00.html from k2pts 00:44:55 it's very good 00:47:30 Help meeee 00:48:16 k2pts: very sad. 00:48:40 it cut deeply when I read it 00:48:42 :( 00:49:39 i haven't been back to NYC yet... i have no idea how i'm going to feel when i see the hole in manhattan. 00:50:08 s/when/everytime 00:50:58 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 00:51:55 doc: wanna another link? it's related with the previous one. 00:52:06 ugh... 00:52:39 ok 00:52:51 its too weird. I grew up in NY. Spent one of the happier nights of my life at Windows on the World. 00:52:59 it is strange to think that it's just.... not there. 00:53:48 i'm living on the other side of the world and I still can't beleive something like this happened 00:55:12 spork: you might want to change your nick to desmophylax (similar to astyphylax -- desma=bonds, like chains/jail) 00:56:46 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 00:58:45 hmmm.... 01:02:56 ? 01:03:10 ? 01:03:36 (shagster ponders... something) 01:06:17 any of you still alive? 01:07:02 spork: have u seen the desmophylax post above? 01:07:07 nope 01:07:17 but I have a unix question which is very important 01:07:39 Do you know how I can make my unix box send something out on the 20th of this month in an e-mail? 01:07:46 my friend asked me for a reminder 01:08:06 you can run a cron job but don't ask me about details (don't know much) 01:08:23 do you mean with aolserver? 01:08:29 well, I know how to do cron 01:08:39 I want to write a shell script that writes the email though 01:08:55 i'm not a good shell scripter 01:09:06 neither am i :) 01:09:50 philg used to run a reminder service. don't know if it's still online (or the code available) somewhere. lemme check 01:12:28 can't find it sorry. 01:13:14 that's ok 01:13:40 when you mention write, you mean just send a pre-written message 01:13:47 or dynamically created? 01:14:05 yeah 01:14:17 I just have to send someone 3 remidners this month, one on the 19th, 20th and 21st 01:14:27 pre-written? 01:14:41 yeash 01:14:49 I think I got one set up from #freebsdhelp ;) 01:14:56 write a shell script and use "mail" 01:15:03 one liner 01:15:47 mail -s [subject] [to_address] your_message 01:16:20 or is it "< your_message" 01:16:24 something like that 01:16:34 is this what you want? 01:23:36 yeah I think so 01:24:04 I did root echo "message" | mail -s subj recipient 01:27:38 that should work as well 01:27:46 i hope so 01:27:51 <--testing on himself now 01:30:45 I've just tried it and it works. 01:31:27 almost works 01:31:33 root: not found 01:31:34 Null message body; hope that's ok 01:31:39 almost? 01:31:45 yeah 01:31:49 there's a prob 01:32:10 I tried this and it works: echo "message" | mail -s subj recipient 01:32:49 let me send you an email 01:33:04 Root messes it up 01:34:26 sent 01:36:31 hmmm? 01:36:43 sent to whom? 01:37:13 yourname@cv.net, ok? 01:37:17 heh 01:37:35 yeah I got it, but you shouldn't spoof your mask like that, can get you in trouble 01:38:27 yay 01:38:32 I got my reminders all set up 01:38:40 my mask? 01:38:59 trouble? pls explain 01:39:13 nkd@cv.net 01:39:31 ^^ is not your real mask, if any of our network guys check that you can get in trouble ;) 01:39:53 oops sorry. don't know how that happened 01:39:59 lol 01:47:02 spork: I have a networking question for u? 01:47:29 are you still with us? 01:47:38 yeah 01:48:35 I did tcpdump and just noticed that my ethernet is sending some information (ack I think) to i4.cnn.net but I'm not using a browser right now. 01:49:12 and it receives this (the same address): ack 283 win 5862 [tos 0x48] 01:50:56 ummm 01:51:04 have you gone to that site? 01:51:13 i've been to cnn.com 01:51:44 i have also make sure that I kill my browser 01:52:04 What browser? it might still be in memory 01:52:18 i did killall -9 netscape-communicator 01:52:19 or, if you're getting some multimedia from it it might still be active 01:52:30 don't think so 01:54:06 I dunno, it could be a persistent connection (?) 01:54:12 I don't know why it would do that 01:54:42 lemme check something 01:54:44 k2pts has left #openacs 01:55:43 k2pts (~nkd@213.149.168.174) has joined #openacs 01:55:46 wb 01:56:04 it stopped while I disconnected. let's see if it's starts again 01:57:25 i doubt it 01:57:36 It was probably a dangling connection 01:57:50 no, nothing... probably 01:58:57 spork: what do you know about the default cookie in netscape browsers 01:59:44 I know Mark doesn't like to eat those? :) 02:01:27 i don't understand much about these things but it seems to me that the default cookie sends info to netscape no matter where I connect. is that so? 02:01:40 s/connect/visit 02:02:52 kcookie.netscape.com FALSE / FALSE 4294967295 kcookie 02:04:15 spork? 02:04:29 not sure 02:04:49 anyone? 02:04:52 is there anything in the do? 02:04:57 nope 02:05:26 it seems to me that it sends the cookie everytime you visit a page (any page) but I could be wrong 02:05:38 well, no 02:05:48 basic CS :) 02:06:00 yes it says "if you're anywhere do {}" 02:06:10 but since the do {} is blank it's just like a noop 02:06:32 plus 02:06:35 yes, but why is this needed. I've checked the mozilla cookie file and there's nothing like this 02:06:46 doesn't the server have to request the cookie in the first place? 02:08:18 http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:bpMWgkES0DI:www.thelimitsoft.com/cgi-bin/board/index.cgi%3Fread%3D3830+kcookie&hl=en 02:08:19 B: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:bpMWgkES0DI:www.thelimitsoft.com/cgi-bin/board/index.cgi%3Fread%3D3830+kcookie&hl=en from k2pts 02:10:03 http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/sf/www-mobile/2001-q2/0030.html 02:10:05 C: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/sf/www-mobile/2001-q2/0030.html from k2pts 02:11:12 ? 02:11:40 i dunno what to tell you 02:12:25 strange ain't it 02:12:49 email the GRC.com dude 02:12:52 he would probably know 02:13:40 some kind of explanation: still not convinced though: http://www.mail-archive.com/gnhlug@zk3.dec.com/msg10591.html 02:15:33 heh 02:15:36 They're after us! 02:16:09 anyways 02:16:11 I'm off to bed 02:16:14 gotta wake up early 02:17:49 later, spork 02:18:00 or do you prefer "CWP" 02:20:34 http://groups.google.com/groups?q=kcookie&hl=en&rnum=1&selm=20000709205427.01250.00002917%40ng-fl1.news.cs.com 02:20:35 D: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=kcookie&hl=en&rnum=1&selm=20000709205427.01250.00002917%40ng-fl1.news.cs.com from k2pts 02:27:21 Trust your Browser? #1 02:27:39 the above href will probably break your browser 02:34:03 k2pts has quit ("Client Exiting") 02:37:56 davb has quit ("I'm too lame to make a quit message") 05:19:04 GEM (~mcmullan@MULTICS.MIT.EDU) has joined #openacs 06:24:31 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Be aware that we are upgrading some of the servers. Haven't touched the main rotation yet. Thanks. 07:07:10 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We'll be upgrading at least some of the main rotation servers in a few minutes. This will involve recycling servers and a fair amount of splitting. We'll also need to do the hidden hubs. Please bear with us. 07:13:58 AaronSw has quit (niven.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07:18:36 [GlobalNotice] A main hidden hub will be recycled in a moment. 07:20:11 CrashesWithPlanes has quit (niven.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07:20:11 the_docwolf has quit (niven.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07:20:29 the_docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-63-198-222.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 07:20:29 CrashesWithPlanes (proxy@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 07:21:31 [GlobalNotice] Main rotation servers will be recycled, probably in a row. Best to get it done quickly. 07:27:48 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 07:27:55 loggy (~openacs-l@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 07:27:55 Users on #openacs: loggy GEM hazmat andrew donb chump 07:28:38 AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #openacs 07:36:24 donb has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07:36:24 chump has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07:36:24 hazmat has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07:36:25 donb (~donb@dsl-dhogaza.pacifier.net) has joined #openacs 07:37:05 hazmat (~ender@adsl-66-123-57-58.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) has joined #openacs 07:37:24 chump (~chump@alb-66-24-204-217.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 07:43:17 [GlobalNotice] We're nearing the end of tonight's, uh, festivities. 07:49:54 donb has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07:49:54 GEM has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07:49:54 andrew has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 07:50:15 andrew (~andrew@dsl081-016-130.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 07:50:15 GEM (~mcmullan@MULTICS.MIT.EDU) has joined #openacs 07:50:15 donb (~donb@dsl-dhogaza.pacifier.net) has joined #openacs 07:52:12 [GlobalNotice] We're not quite through, another big rotation server will be recycling soon and some change. But I can tell you, with most precincts reporting, that the server map looks sane once again. 8) 08:08:18 donb has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:08:18 andrew has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:08:18 GEM has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 08:08:41 donb (~donb@dsl-dhogaza.pacifier.net) has joined #openacs 08:08:41 GEM (~mcmullan@MULTICS.MIT.EDU) has joined #openacs 08:08:41 andrew (~andrew@dsl081-016-130.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) has joined #openacs 08:38:39 [GlobalNotice] We think that's everything. 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One more server to restart, missed last night, to resolve the routing and sendq problems. Things have been very quiet, which looks good. One unexplained down, maybe four or five splits (2 with the remaining unupgraded server :) 15:27:17 [GlobalNotice] The server we're restarting is a main rotation server, so expect some noise. Thanks for your patience. 15:28:02 morning docwolf 15:28:47 hey k2pts! 15:28:50 i'll bbiab 15:28:59 hi vinod 15:29:03 what's bbiab 15:29:04 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 15:29:04 ? 15:36:50 k2pts has left #openacs 15:42:56 [GlobalNotice] Server being recycled now, wish us luck. 15:43:13 docwolf has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:43:13 andrew has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:43:13 GEM has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 15:43:15 GEM (~mcmullan@MULTICS.MIT.EDU) has joined #openacs 15:45:05 [GlobalNotice] One more tweak in a sec. 15:48:04 docwolf (~docwolf@adsl-63-197-115.mia.bellsouth.net) has joined #openacs 15:54:31 [GlobalNotice] Last tweak coming up, about 200 users will be recycled. 16:03:04 GEM has quit (forward.openprojects.net irc.openprojects.net) 16:41:47 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 16:42:36 k2pts has left #openacs 17:29:15 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 17:29:18 k2pts has left #openacs 17:52:57 markd2 (~markd@r-41.77.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 17:54:12 markd2 has changed the topic to: Welcome to the OpenACS psychic friends support network. 18:02:25 yanni (~yanni@24.100.180.43) has joined #openacs 18:13:22 donb has quit ("changing universes") 18:16:08 til (tils@port-212-202-128-208.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 18:34:00 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 18:40:56 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (ERROR :Closing Link: loggy[~openacs-l@205.253.219.118] (Ping timeout: 181 seconds)) 18:41:06 loggy (~openacs-l@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 18:41:06 topic is: Welcome to the OpenACS psychic friends support network. 18:41:06 Users on #openacs: loggy k2pts til yanni markd2 docwolf hazmat chump AaronSw 18:41:06 [#openacs] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 19:06:51 til has quit (Ping timeout: 186 seconds) 19:10:43 k2pts has quit (Ping timeout: 184 seconds) 19:11:08 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 19:14:11 k2pts has quit (Ping timeout: 182 seconds) 19:14:52 vinod (~vinod@18.61.1.60) has joined #openacs 19:35:09 yo vinod 19:36:18 k2pts (~nkd@adsl-168-174.cytanet.com.cy) has joined #openacs 19:36:36 hi everybody 19:36:41 vinod are you here? 19:37:35 anybody? hazmat? 19:38:08 :-) 19:38:30 hi k2pts! 19:38:36 hey vinod 19:38:47 i'm kinda here - seeing patients today 19:39:04 playing a game of body count :-) 19:39:08 would you be interested to do some oracle testing for the wf package (no big deal, I think)...:) ok how's it going 19:39:32 markd2: :) 19:40:27 k2pts: i probably won't be able to get to it this wknd, but maybe monday? 19:40:37 np 19:41:37 I'm trying to get the new wf package in the alpha2 release but there are some nasty dependencies in the cms 19:41:47 it's working great standalone 19:42:02 plus we need to do some oracle testing 19:42:27 i'm probably going to leave it until I have news from davb and start working on package specific search 19:53:42 cool - i'll definitely take a look at wf on monday or tuesday. unfortunately i'm working all wknd 19:54:23 ok vinod thanx 19:54:39 np! 19:55:51 later, guys 19:55:58 k2pts has left #openacs 19:57:20 markd2: down to 2 wks :-) 19:59:15 yep! 19:59:47 awesome - i'm going to club med in 2 wks! 20:00:10 sweet 20:00:13 medical junket? 20:00:40 nah - my cousin has a week off, so we just decided to splurge 20:01:18 need to work on my tan 20:01:22 :-) 20:01:39 heh 20:01:44 you were looking a bit pale last I saw you 20:01:48 did someone say club med? 20:01:51 * markd2 prescribes more mexican food 20:01:59 mmmm .. food 20:02:08 docwolf: wanna come to club med in december? 20:02:16 that place used to be super-randy in the 70s and early 80s 20:02:19 before.... 20:02:27 a certain retrovirus showed up. 20:02:42 haha - damn - i always miss the good times 20:02:47 which one are you going to? 20:03:00 ummm - i think cancun? 20:03:03 oh boy. 20:03:07 i went to the cancun location 20:03:15 as a kid. my parents must have been nuts. 20:03:24 i didn't really apprecaite what was going on at the time. 20:03:29 haha - now, we know why docwolf ended up like he is 20:03:44 i do remember it being beautiful 20:03:48 with lots of scantily-clad people 20:03:50 and tons of food. 20:03:54 a limitless supply. 20:04:15 that sounds like what i need :-) 20:04:52 * markd2 drools 20:05:04 i'm working all weekend and then I work 3 days next wk, including thanksgiving 20:05:19 ugh 20:05:21 * vinod likes complaining about work 20:06:24 gonna go grab a bite to eat... 20:07:53 talli (talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 20:09:19 talli has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:09:41 can this be right? 20:09:57 mitsubishi is offering 0% APR, no money down, no payments until 2003 20:10:55 their cars must be deathtraps, or something 20:22:23 the auto makers are in a price war over financing rates 20:22:38 yeah 20:22:46 that's pretty amazing though 20:22:55 we're still happy with our 80's vintage hondas 20:23:09 hehe. i'm gonna stick with my old subaru. it seems to work. 20:36:13 hmmm 20:49:39 my workd emailbox is blissfully empty 20:50:10 hi folks, does anyone know if the apache license is compatible with the GPL? 20:50:29 they don't mix 20:50:37 the apache license, IIRC is like BSD 20:50:43 you don't need to give out the source code 20:50:47 you just need to give credit 20:51:04 so, oracle makes a product based on apache. 20:51:18 they don't release the source code; in the copyright it just acknowledges that they use the apache code. 20:51:56 brb 20:52:01 i'm more curious if i can release a gpl package for oacs which depends on apache licensed code 20:52:10 given that orale is a 600 meg tarball, the source may be there, just well hidden 20:52:29 mark: i don't think they include the source. 20:52:35 they built special caching routines, etc... 20:52:48 i would assume that if they released the source, it would have been rolled back into apache already 20:52:57 (and oracle charges huge bucks for that product, anyway..) 20:54:11 but i'm not 100% sure. 20:54:18 ergo, i can't distribute gpl and apache code together. 20:54:29 in any case, if you were to build an OACS package that's GPLd 20:54:41 well -- that's the question 20:54:48