IRC log of openacs on 2001-11-17

Timestamps are in UTC.

00:00:18 [k2pts]

doc: I really appreciated his response. princeton is where he did his phd

00:00:19 [the_docwolf]

Turing led a really sad life.

00:00:45 [k2pts]

the book is a love story and also includes an introduction to cs concepts for non-cs people

00:01:06 [the_docwolf]

gee, sounds like philip's work.

00:01:18 [k2pts]

I really liked one paragraph though most than anything else (I'll try to translate)

00:01:31 [k2pts]

yes

00:01:40 [k2pts]

(like philg)

00:02:06 [k2pts]

he is the fifth best theoretician worldwide. some thing he will get the Turing award next 3-4 years.

00:02:31 [k2pts]

he is currently working on game theory and the internet. his speech was great.

00:03:32 [k2pts]

"Turing" (the novel) the prototype is in English but he is still negotiating the contract his publishers. The greek translation was published in 2000.

00:04:20 [k2pts]

i'll try to translate my favorite paragraph, if that's ok.

00:04:25 [markd2]

sure

00:08:57 [k2pts]

This anguish [when you want something very-very much], this pain, almost becomes physical. You can be the hero of school boys and wise professors, to swear in your name great capitalists but also the darkest pirates [crackers]. You can start a revolution, to humiliate great countries, to make them fight each other. You can solve the most famous/difficult problem, to write the cleverest code, and before you finish, to turn back and do it again,

00:08:58 [k2pts]

and then once more. To seduce hundreds of lovers, to receive MBytes of emails from fans -- nothing softens the pain of a night of loneliness.

00:09:49 [k2pts]

and then once more. To seduce hundreds of lovers, to receive MBytes of emails from fans -- nothing softens the pain of a night of loneliness

00:12:00 [k2pts]

-- Turing, Christos Papadimitriou

00:12:10 [markd2]

nice

00:12:42 [k2pts]

One of the chapters is named "tits"

00:12:46 [markd2]

heh

00:12:48 [the_docwolf]

!

00:13:20 [the_docwolf]

speaking of lonliness, any of you own a playstation2?

00:13:26 [k2pts]

nope

00:13:36 [markd2]

nope

00:13:40 [the_docwolf]

i'm thinking of taking the plunge

00:13:44 [the_docwolf]

because the more I play MAME

00:13:47 [the_docwolf]

the more out of touch i get.

00:14:33 [k2pts]

i've never played games except "leisure suit larry III" almost 12-13 years ago

00:14:49 [k2pts]

it crashed when I was about to finish the game :)

00:14:52 [markd2]

I don't have time for computer games tehse days

00:15:04 [markd2]

although I did play about 18 straight hours of black&white when it came out

00:15:31 [the_docwolf]

good lord

00:15:34 [k2pts]

hazmat: i'm probably going to work on the package-specific search tomorrow

00:15:47 [the_docwolf]

the only "modern" game i ever got into was half-life.

00:15:47 [hazmat]

k2pts: awesome

00:16:33 [hazmat]

k2pts: i think i'm still going to be using tsearch to enable more specific searchs on particular columns, this is in addition to the general site-search.

00:17:24 [k2pts]

it's certainly faster. but right now, I'd rather work on making openfts index utf-8 documents (and use the dictionaries for stemming -- tedious task)

00:18:23 [k2pts]

doc: papadimitriou is some kind of a legend among academics in cyprus and greece (don't know about the rest of the world)

00:18:36 [k2pts]

he also wrote a paper with guess who?

00:18:52 [k2pts]

BillG

00:19:00 [the_docwolf]

blech!!

00:19:25 [hazmat]

that will be cool, but till the templating and acs itself is il8n, i'm not sure how useful it will be to most people...

00:19:32 [k2pts]

It was about some kind of sorting algorithm

00:19:45 [k2pts]

hazmat: it's certainly useful for me :)

00:20:54 [k2pts]

doc: he was billg's professor at harvard (some say he was the reason billg quit but I'm not sure)

00:22:48 [k2pts]

Before Bill Gates decided to become the richest man on earth,

00:22:48 [k2pts]

he was doing research on the fundamentals of algorithms.

00:22:48 [k2pts]

He only published a single paper, and that's on this pancake

00:22:48 [k2pts]

sorting problem:

00:22:48 [k2pts]

W.H. Gates and C. Papadimitriou,

00:22:48 [k2pts]

Bounds for sorting by prefix reversal.

00:22:50 [k2pts]

Discrete Mathematics 27 (1979), pp 47-57.

00:23:10 [the_docwolf]

haha

00:23:11 [the_docwolf]

interesting.

00:23:38 [k2pts]

They give an algorithm that sorts n pancakes with roughly 5n/3 operations.

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00:33:09 [k2pts]

doc: anthrax mail reminds me of the unabomber case a lot

00:34:56 [markd2]

* markd2 still waits for the Antrhaxabomber Manifesto

00:39:29 [k2pts]

markd2: billg's paper is cited on a stoc (best theory conference) for genome rearrangements in mitochondrial DNA

00:39:52 [markd2]

cool

00:40:04 [k2pts]

stoc 95 paper

00:42:57 [MachuPichu]

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

00:43:19 [markd2]

you need a laptop and a porch swing

00:43:20 [MachuPichu]

MachuPichu is now known as CrashesWithPlanes

00:43:32 [CrashesWithPlanes]

pray for meeeee

00:43:37 [k2pts]

about Antrhaxabomber: I meant that it is very difficult to track the sender and IIRC the unabomber case was the most costly case, right?

00:43:44 [markd2]

oh, we do that already

00:43:50 [CrashesWithPlanes]

lol

00:43:58 [the_docwolf]

a laptop, a porch swing, and a mint julip.

00:44:13 [the_docwolf]

actually, i have 802.11b here, so... i go out on the terrace sometimes.

00:44:52 [k2pts]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4257871,00.html

00:44:53 [chump]

A: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4257871,00.html from k2pts

00:44:55 [k2pts]

it's very good

00:47:30 [CrashesWithPlanes]

Help meeee

00:48:16 [the_docwolf]

k2pts: very sad.

00:48:40 [k2pts]

it cut deeply when I read it

00:48:42 [k2pts]

:(

00:49:39 [the_docwolf]

i haven't been back to NYC yet... i have no idea how i'm going to feel when i see the hole in manhattan.

00:50:08 [k2pts]

s/when/everytime

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00:51:55 [k2pts]

doc: wanna another link? it's related with the previous one.

00:52:06 [the_docwolf]

ugh...

00:52:39 [k2pts]

ok

00:52:51 [the_docwolf]

its too weird. I grew up in NY. Spent one of the happier nights of my life at Windows on the World.

00:52:59 [the_docwolf]

it is strange to think that it's just.... not there.

00:53:48 [k2pts]

i'm living on the other side of the world and I still can't beleive something like this happened

00:55:12 [k2pts]

spork: you might want to change your nick to desmophylax (similar to astyphylax -- desma=bonds, like chains/jail)

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00:58:45 [shagster]

hmmm....

01:02:56 [the_docwolf]

?

01:03:10 [k2pts]

?

01:03:36 [the_docwolf]

(shagster ponders... something)

01:06:17 [CrashesWithPlanes]

any of you still alive?

01:07:02 [k2pts]

spork: have u seen the desmophylax post above?

01:07:07 [CrashesWithPlanes]

nope

01:07:17 [CrashesWithPlanes]

but I have a unix question which is very important

01:07:39 [CrashesWithPlanes]

Do you know how I can make my unix box send something out on the 20th of this month in an e-mail?

01:07:46 [CrashesWithPlanes]

my friend asked me for a reminder

01:08:06 [k2pts]

you can run a cron job but don't ask me about details (don't know much)

01:08:23 [k2pts]

do you mean with aolserver?

01:08:29 [CrashesWithPlanes]

well, I know how to do cron

01:08:39 [CrashesWithPlanes]

I want to write a shell script that writes the email though

01:08:55 [CrashesWithPlanes]

i'm not a good shell scripter

01:09:06 [k2pts]

neither am i :)

01:09:50 [k2pts]

philg used to run a reminder service. don't know if it's still online (or the code available) somewhere. lemme check

01:12:28 [k2pts]

can't find it sorry.

01:13:14 [CrashesWithPlanes]

that's ok

01:13:40 [k2pts]

when you mention write, you mean just send a pre-written message

01:13:47 [k2pts]

or dynamically created?

01:14:05 [CrashesWithPlanes]

yeah

01:14:17 [CrashesWithPlanes]

I just have to send someone 3 remidners this month, one on the 19th, 20th and 21st

01:14:27 [k2pts]

pre-written?

01:14:41 [CrashesWithPlanes]

yeash

01:14:49 [CrashesWithPlanes]

I think I got one set up from #freebsdhelp ;)

01:14:56 [k2pts]

write a shell script and use "mail"

01:15:03 [k2pts]

one liner

01:15:47 [k2pts]

mail -s [subject] [to_address] your_message

01:16:20 [k2pts]

or is it "< your_message"

01:16:24 [k2pts]

something like that

01:16:34 [k2pts]

is this what you want?

01:23:36 [CrashesWithPlanes]

yeah I think so

01:24:04 [CrashesWithPlanes]

I did root echo "message" | mail -s subj recipient

01:27:38 [k2pts]

that should work as well

01:27:46 [CrashesWithPlanes]

i hope so

01:27:51 [CrashesWithPlanes]

<--testing on himself now

01:30:45 [k2pts]

I've just tried it and it works.

01:31:27 [CrashesWithPlanes]

almost works

01:31:33 [CrashesWithPlanes]

root: not found

01:31:34 [CrashesWithPlanes]

Null message body; hope that's ok

01:31:39 [k2pts]

almost?

01:31:45 [CrashesWithPlanes]

yeah

01:31:49 [CrashesWithPlanes]

there's a prob

01:32:10 [k2pts]

I tried this and it works: echo "message" | mail -s subj recipient

01:32:49 [k2pts]

let me send you an email

01:33:04 [CrashesWithPlanes]

Root messes it up

01:34:26 [k2pts]

sent

01:36:31 [CrashesWithPlanes]

hmmm?

01:36:43 [CrashesWithPlanes]

sent to whom?

01:37:13 [k2pts]

yourname@cv.net, ok?

01:37:17 [CrashesWithPlanes]

heh

01:37:35 [CrashesWithPlanes]

yeah I got it, but you shouldn't spoof your mask like that, can get you in trouble

01:38:27 [CrashesWithPlanes]

yay

01:38:32 [CrashesWithPlanes]

I got my reminders all set up

01:38:40 [k2pts]

my mask?

01:38:59 [k2pts]

trouble? pls explain

01:39:13 [CrashesWithPlanes]

nkd@cv.net

01:39:31 [CrashesWithPlanes]

^^ is not your real mask, if any of our network guys check that you can get in trouble ;)

01:39:53 [k2pts]

oops sorry. don't know how that happened

01:39:59 [CrashesWithPlanes]

lol

01:47:02 [k2pts]

spork: I have a networking question for u?

01:47:29 [k2pts]

are you still with us?

01:47:38 [CrashesWithPlanes]

yeah

01:48:35 [k2pts]

I did tcpdump and just noticed that my ethernet is sending some information (ack I think) to i4.cnn.net but I'm not using a browser right now.

01:49:12 [k2pts]

and it receives this (the same address): ack 283 win 5862 [tos 0x48]

01:50:56 [CrashesWithPlanes]

ummm

01:51:04 [CrashesWithPlanes]

have you gone to that site?

01:51:13 [k2pts]

i've been to cnn.com

01:51:44 [k2pts]

i have also make sure that I kill my browser

01:52:04 [CrashesWithPlanes]

What browser? it might still be in memory

01:52:18 [k2pts]

i did killall -9 netscape-communicator

01:52:19 [CrashesWithPlanes]

or, if you're getting some multimedia from it it might still be active

01:52:30 [k2pts]

don't think so

01:54:06 [CrashesWithPlanes]

I dunno, it could be a persistent connection (?)

01:54:12 [CrashesWithPlanes]

I don't know why it would do that

01:54:42 [k2pts]

lemme check something

01:54:44 [k2pts]

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01:55:46 [CrashesWithPlanes]

wb

01:56:04 [k2pts]

it stopped while I disconnected. let's see if it's starts again

01:57:25 [CrashesWithPlanes]

i doubt it

01:57:36 [CrashesWithPlanes]

It was probably a dangling connection

01:57:50 [k2pts]

no, nothing... probably

01:58:57 [k2pts]

spork: what do you know about the default cookie in netscape browsers

01:59:44 [CrashesWithPlanes]

I know Mark doesn't like to eat those? :)

02:01:27 [k2pts]

i don't understand much about these things but it seems to me that the default cookie sends info to netscape no matter where I connect. is that so?

02:01:40 [k2pts]

s/connect/visit

02:02:52 [k2pts]

kcookie.netscape.com FALSE / FALSE 4294967295 kcookie <script>location="."</script><script>do{}while(true)</script>

02:04:15 [k2pts]

spork?

02:04:29 [CrashesWithPlanes]

not sure

02:04:49 [k2pts]

anyone?

02:04:52 [CrashesWithPlanes]

is there anything in the do?

02:04:57 [k2pts]

nope

02:05:26 [k2pts]

it seems to me that it sends the cookie everytime you visit a page (any page) but I could be wrong

02:05:38 [CrashesWithPlanes]

well, no

02:05:48 [CrashesWithPlanes]

basic CS :)

02:06:00 [CrashesWithPlanes]

yes it says "if you're anywhere do {}"

02:06:10 [CrashesWithPlanes]

but since the do {} is blank it's just like a noop

02:06:32 [CrashesWithPlanes]

plus

02:06:35 [k2pts]

yes, but why is this needed. I've checked the mozilla cookie file and there's nothing like this

02:06:46 [CrashesWithPlanes]

doesn't the server have to request the cookie in the first place?

02:08:18 [k2pts]

http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:bpMWgkES0DI:www.thelimitsoft.com/cgi-bin/board/index.cgi%3Fread%3D3830+kcookie&hl=en

02:08:19 [chump]

B: http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:bpMWgkES0DI:www.thelimitsoft.com/cgi-bin/board/index.cgi%3Fread%3D3830+kcookie&hl=en from k2pts

02:10:03 [k2pts]

http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/sf/www-mobile/2001-q2/0030.html

02:10:05 [chump]

C: http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/sf/www-mobile/2001-q2/0030.html from k2pts

02:11:12 [k2pts]

?

02:11:40 [CrashesWithPlanes]

i dunno what to tell you

02:12:25 [k2pts]

strange ain't it

02:12:49 [CrashesWithPlanes]

email the GRC.com dude

02:12:52 [CrashesWithPlanes]

he would probably know

02:13:40 [k2pts]

some kind of explanation: still not convinced though: http://www.mail-archive.com/gnhlug@zk3.dec.com/msg10591.html

02:15:33 [CrashesWithPlanes]

heh

02:15:36 [CrashesWithPlanes]

They're after us!

02:16:09 [CrashesWithPlanes]

anyways

02:16:11 [CrashesWithPlanes]

I'm off to bed

02:16:14 [CrashesWithPlanes]

gotta wake up early

02:17:49 [k2pts]

later, spork

02:18:00 [k2pts]

or do you prefer "CWP"

02:20:34 [k2pts]

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=kcookie&hl=en&rnum=1&selm=20000709205427.01250.00002917%40ng-fl1.news.cs.com

02:20:35 [chump]

D: http://groups.google.com/groups?q=kcookie&hl=en&rnum=1&selm=20000709205427.01250.00002917%40ng-fl1.news.cs.com from k2pts

02:27:21 [k2pts]

<a href="file:/dev/zero"> Trust your Browser? #1 </a>

02:27:39 [k2pts]

the above href will probably break your browser

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06:24:31 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Be aware that we are upgrading some of the servers. Haven't touched the main rotation yet. Thanks.

07:07:10 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We'll be upgrading at least some of the main rotation servers in a few minutes. This will involve recycling servers and a fair amount of splitting. We'll also need to do the hidden hubs. Please bear with us.

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07:18:36 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] A main hidden hub will be recycled in a moment.

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07:21:31 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Main rotation servers will be recycled, probably in a row. Best to get it done quickly.

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[GlobalNotice] We're nearing the end of tonight's, uh, festivities.

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07:52:12 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] We're not quite through, another big rotation server will be recycling soon and some change. But I can tell you, with most precincts reporting, that the server map looks sane once again. 8)

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[GlobalNotice] We think that's everything. Thanks again to everyone for your patience!

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15:23:12 [docwolf]

good morning

15:24:35 [vinod]

mornin docwolf!

15:25:02 [docwolf]

uh oh, i think they are restarting the server

15:26:56 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] Hi all. One more server to restart, missed last night, to resolve the routing and sendq problems. Things have been very quiet, which looks good. One unexplained down, maybe four or five splits (2 with the remaining unupgraded server :)

15:27:17 [lilo]

[GlobalNotice] The server we're restarting is a main rotation server, so expect some noise. Thanks for your patience.

15:28:02 [k2pts]

morning docwolf

15:28:47 [vinod]

hey k2pts!

15:28:50 [vinod]

i'll bbiab

15:28:59 [k2pts]

hi vinod

15:29:03 [k2pts]

what's bbiab

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topic is: Welcome to the OpenACS psychic friends support network.

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Users on #openacs: loggy k2pts til yanni markd2 docwolf hazmat chump AaronSw

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19:35:09 [markd2]

yo vinod

19:36:18 [k2pts]

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19:36:36 [k2pts]

hi everybody

19:36:41 [k2pts]

vinod are you here?

19:37:35 [k2pts]

anybody? hazmat?

19:38:08 [markd2]

:-)

19:38:30 [vinod]

hi k2pts!

19:38:36 [k2pts]

hey vinod

19:38:47 [vinod]

i'm kinda here - seeing patients today

19:39:04 [markd2]

playing a game of body count :-)

19:39:08 [k2pts]

would you be interested to do some oracle testing for the wf package (no big deal, I think)...:) ok how's it going

19:39:32 [k2pts]

markd2: :)

19:40:27 [vinod]

k2pts: i probably won't be able to get to it this wknd, but maybe monday?

19:40:37 [k2pts]

np

19:41:37 [k2pts]

I'm trying to get the new wf package in the alpha2 release but there are some nasty dependencies in the cms

19:41:47 [k2pts]

it's working great standalone

19:42:02 [k2pts]

plus we need to do some oracle testing

19:42:27 [k2pts]

i'm probably going to leave it until I have news from davb and start working on package specific search

19:53:42 [vinod]

cool - i'll definitely take a look at wf on monday or tuesday. unfortunately i'm working all wknd

19:54:23 [k2pts]

ok vinod thanx

19:54:39 [vinod]

np!

19:55:51 [k2pts]

later, guys

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19:57:20 [vinod]

markd2: down to 2 wks :-)

19:59:15 [markd2]

yep!

19:59:47 [vinod]

awesome - i'm going to club med in 2 wks!

20:00:10 [markd2]

sweet

20:00:13 [markd2]

medical junket?

20:00:40 [vinod]

nah - my cousin has a week off, so we just decided to splurge

20:01:18 [vinod]

need to work on my tan

20:01:22 [vinod]

:-)

20:01:39 [markd2]

heh

20:01:44 [markd2]

you were looking a bit pale last I saw you

20:01:48 [docwolf]

did someone say club med?

20:01:51 [markd2]

* markd2 prescribes more mexican food

20:01:59 [vinod]

mmmm .. food

20:02:08 [vinod]

docwolf: wanna come to club med in december?

20:02:16 [docwolf]

that place used to be super-randy in the 70s and early 80s

20:02:19 [docwolf]

before....

20:02:27 [docwolf]

a certain retrovirus showed up.

20:02:42 [vinod]

haha - damn - i always miss the good times

20:02:47 [docwolf]

which one are you going to?

20:03:00 [vinod]

ummm - i think cancun?

20:03:03 [docwolf]

oh boy.

20:03:07 [docwolf]

i went to the cancun location

20:03:15 [docwolf]

as a kid. my parents must have been nuts.

20:03:24 [docwolf]

i didn't really apprecaite what was going on at the time.

20:03:29 [vinod]

haha - now, we know why docwolf ended up like he is

20:03:44 [docwolf]

i do remember it being beautiful

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with lots of scantily-clad people

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and tons of food.

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a limitless supply.

20:04:15 [vinod]

that sounds like what i need :-)

20:04:52 [markd2]

* markd2 drools

20:05:04 [vinod]

i'm working all weekend and then I work 3 days next wk, including thanksgiving

20:05:19 [docwolf]

ugh

20:05:21 [vinod]

* vinod likes complaining about work

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gonna go grab a bite to eat...

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can this be right?

20:09:57 [docwolf]

mitsubishi is offering 0% APR, no money down, no payments until 2003

20:10:55 [docwolf]

their cars must be deathtraps, or something

20:22:23 [markd2]

the auto makers are in a price war over financing rates

20:22:38 [docwolf]

yeah

20:22:46 [docwolf]

that's pretty amazing though

20:22:55 [markd2]

we're still happy with our 80's vintage hondas

20:23:09 [docwolf]

hehe. i'm gonna stick with my old subaru. it seems to work.

20:36:13 [docwolf]

hmmm

20:49:39 [markd2]

my workd emailbox is blissfully empty

20:50:10 [hazmat]

hi folks, does anyone know if the apache license is compatible with the GPL?

20:50:29 [docwolf]

they don't mix

20:50:37 [docwolf]

the apache license, IIRC is like BSD

20:50:43 [docwolf]

you don't need to give out the source code

20:50:47 [docwolf]

you just need to give credit

20:51:04 [docwolf]

so, oracle makes a product based on apache.

20:51:18 [docwolf]

they don't release the source code; in the copyright it just acknowledges that they use the apache code.

20:51:56 [docwolf]

brb

20:52:01 [hazmat]

i'm more curious if i can release a gpl package for oacs which depends on apache licensed code

20:52:10 [markd2]

given that orale is a 600 meg tarball, the source may be there, just well hidden

20:52:29 [docwolf]

mark: i don't think they include the source.

20:52:35 [docwolf]

they built special caching routines, etc...

20:52:48 [docwolf]

i would assume that if they released the source, it would have been rolled back into apache already

20:52:57 [docwolf]

(and oracle charges huge bucks for that product, anyway..)

20:54:11 [docwolf]

but i'm not 100% sure.

20:54:18 [hazmat]

ergo, i can't distribute gpl and apache code together.

20:54:29 [docwolf]

in any case, if you were to build an OACS package that's GPLd

20:54:41 [docwolf]

well -- that's the question

20:54:48 [docwolf]

do you modify the apache code and include it

20:55:00 [docwolf]

or is it a stand-alone piece that just needs apache installed?

20:55:14 [docwolf]

(ie, can someone get apache and install it separately)

20:55:21 [docwolf]

(and have your program work properly)

20:55:45 [hazmat]

its not apache code per say its a jakarta project - lucene.sf.net - i've built a network layer on top of it, which is specific to the package.

20:56:20 [hazmat]

people could install it separately, but the network layer is fairly intimate in terms of interaction with the apache licensed code.

20:56:33 [hazmat]

and the package on a whole depends on it.

20:56:41 [hazmat]

for functionality

20:56:45 [docwolf]

i see

20:57:28 [docwolf]

i think the only way to do it is to separate the two, and to write a slick installer that takes the jakarta stuff that's already installed

20:57:32 [docwolf]

and integrate it with your package.

20:57:35 [docwolf]

i _think_

20:57:44 [docwolf]

but i'm not 100%.

20:57:49 [hazmat]

any ideas about where i should ask to be sure?

20:57:52 [markd2]

Or Just Do It until someone complains

20:58:26 [docwolf]

ben might have a better answer.

20:58:35 [docwolf]

i would post the question on the openacs bboards.

20:59:25 [docwolf]

brb

20:59:30 [hazmat]

ok, thanks.

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markd2: "psychic friends support network" :) too many cookies from psychephylax I say

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heh

21:05:43 [markd2]

didn't even think of it that way

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must be my subconcious coming out

21:05:49 [k2pts]

yeah yeah

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psychec fiends support network

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heh

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