00:08:00 vinod (vinod@18.61.1.60) has joined #openacs 00:12:02 anybody here ever work with db2? 00:12:28 hazmat, vinod, rbm, shagster, Psychephylax? anyone work with DB2? 00:12:44 sorry for the horribly inappropriate wake up call. 00:13:26 i just had to do it. i'm having a moment of difficulty in working out a db2 vs. pg argument. of course, it's a brain dead one (20K vs 0) but still gotta make it 00:13:36 talli: sorry, no db2 here 00:13:52 argument #1: lame name 00:13:59 vinod: any brain there? 00:14:10 sorry, no brain here 00:14:23 yeah, that's a good argument, but at lesat it's not ambiguous like postgresql 00:15:00 nopers 00:15:17 true - what is a postgre anyway? 00:15:33 are you asking seriously? 00:15:57 apparently, the original name of PG was ingres when it was started at berkeley 00:16:35 then, when some hackers took it out of the academic setting they named it postgres to indicate that it was going into a new lifecycle - post ingres 00:16:48 ahhh - i knew the origins were berkeley, but i thought it was always called postgres, even there 00:16:58 then they named it postgres95 to piggy back on big bill's millions of advertising bucks i guess 00:17:15 then changed the name again to postgresql when they implemented the sql language in it 00:17:23 haha - so when does postgresXP come out? 00:17:37 i forget why it was origingally called ingres, though. you can find out at postgresql.org 00:18:07 are you assigning me homework? 00:18:09 postgresXP comes out when all the skaters and snowboard thrashers starting hacking and take the DB to EXTREME levels 00:18:11 do the dew! 00:18:51 have you heard of warren miller? 00:18:56 nope 00:19:04 ok, time to go recompile 30 diff things into the kernel 00:19:05 I be back later 00:19:09 wait, of the milwaukee millers? 00:19:14 he makes these really cool extreme skiing movies - been doing it for 50 years 00:19:27 just saw the 2001 version a couple days ago - 'Cold Fusion' 00:19:31 ah, i see. 00:19:37 it was amazing 00:19:41 wow! he's making scripting movies now? 00:19:49 lol 00:20:01 * vinod shakes talli out of geek mode 00:20:06 vinod: the niners will kick the packs ass in the playoffs 00:20:12 pshaw 00:20:26 mike mckensie won't be able to hold terrell owens in check 00:20:42 garrison hearst will run roughshod over fat gilbert brown 00:20:52 ok, i'll give terrell 2 tds, but hearst aint gonna do chit against our D 00:21:07 is chit some weird wisconsin word? 00:21:27 name your d-line. 00:21:28 no, it's indian for shit 00:21:42 brown, that kabir guy, holiday, dotson 00:22:15 over the hill, no name, first name vonnie?, over the hill 00:22:38 doesn't matter, they get the job done. favre's over the hill for that matter 00:22:38 won't be able to stand to our third ranked offense with double barrelled running game 00:22:47 double-barrelled? 00:22:49 barlow? 00:22:51 garrison hearst first, then barlow to change up 00:22:55 hahahaha 00:23:00 you see his touchdown run yesterday? 00:23:12 71 yard run of power and grace? 00:23:16 pow! 00:23:21 ahman green my ass. 00:23:22 yeah, just straight down the sideline 00:23:30 new orleans can't tackle 00:23:35 breaking three or four tackles 00:23:57 i traded green for hearst and owens for my fantasy team 00:24:14 wow - that's an awesome trade (even i would do that!!) 00:24:19 i got hearst on my team 00:24:23 davb (dave@alb-66-24-206-3.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 00:24:29 yes, i managed to swindle the poor bastard 00:26:22 hearst hadn't started having good games yet 00:26:29 and ahman green was leading the league in rushing 00:27:03 for me the only question was whether hearst would start. that barlow guy was takin too many carries :-) 00:28:23 you're right. hearst only had like 19 carries yesterday 00:28:32 for 145 yards, though! pahwow! 00:28:55 that was awesome, though i was pullin for him to get in the endzone on that last play 00:28:59 chump (chump@alb-66-24-204-217.nycap.rr.com) has joined #openacs 00:29:19 did you see the game? or was it shown after the pack-bears game? 00:29:57 no, i'm in bahstan, so no pack-bears game. i was watching the giants game and they showed the end of the sf-no game 00:30:03 hey guys! i just got an email from thone443@hotmail.com that PPIM is a hot, hot stock tip! 00:30:16 i'm gonna go buy 5000000 dollars worth! you should too! 00:30:16 damn! market's closed now 00:31:31 * vinod looks around for his spare 5000000 dollars 00:36:10 http://www.winamp.com/nsdn/winamp2x/dev/sdk/api.jhtml 00:36:10 C: http://www.winamp.com/nsdn/winamp2x/dev/sdk/api.jhtml from vinod 00:36:16 C:| winamp API 00:36:16 titled item C 00:36:23 c: how to get people to read your docs 00:36:29 C: how to get people to read your docs 00:36:29 commented item C 00:36:45 C: scroll down to the 'VBasic:' snippet 00:36:45 commented item C 00:52:03 [GlobalNotice] Hello, just a note that the glitches has been fixed and in the next 30 minutes we should be reconverting 00:56:53 syslogd (proxy@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 00:57:04 mmmmm.....non-microsoft flavored operating system 00:57:23 Roll call! 00:57:28 * syslogd wonders who's alive 00:57:38 * syslogd pokes talli with a Psychephylax 00:57:48 * syslogd pokes vinod with a talli 01:00:19 Can someone recommend an X e mail client that supports multiple pop/imap accounts? 01:05:23 * shagster wakes up 01:06:09 heh 01:06:14 Shaggadelic!!! 01:06:35 Yea baby 01:07:19 Sorry, I don't use X mail clients. 01:07:26 anybody know what license vi is released under? 01:07:40 vi or vim ? 01:07:56 vi and/or vim 01:08:00 I think vi (Billy Joy I believe) as BSD 01:08:02 vi is eVIl 01:08:08 vim I believe is GPL'd 01:08:18 cool, thanks 01:09:03 I'm checking right now 01:12:18 vim, License::Free to Use But Restricted (from freshmeat) 01:14:53 http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/vim/vim/README.txt?rev=1.53&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup 01:14:54 D: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/vim/vim/README.txt?rev=1.53&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup from shagster 01:15:06 D: vim license 01:15:06 commented item D 01:16:49 thanks shagster 01:16:51 i appreciate it 01:16:58 Sure, no problem. 01:17:11 I actually have time again, woohoo! 01:17:23 Dum dee dup 01:17:40 syslogd: easy for you to say :) 01:19:27 I'm not officially ready to help with a webmail module for OpenACS 01:20:18 Umm _now_ not not 01:20:19 Eh? 01:20:49 *grr* blood alcohol content too low to function correctly 01:24:05 see ya guys later 01:24:07 have a good eve 01:24:10 talli has quit (Peace & Protection 4.00 FINAL BETA) 01:34:04 syslogd: the mozilla one is not bad. 01:34:25 but mutt is fine for me :) 01:35:57 I'm gonna play around with them a bit 01:36:22 I kinda like sylpheed 01:36:32 But I already found a few things that anger me greatly 01:36:39 Dave, I got a question for you 01:36:54 how do I start an x app remotely 01:37:03 I tried about 10 different ones, none worked :< anyway mutt is super fast and efficient once you learn the keys, and super configurable. 01:37:08 I have no idea. 01:37:17 I'm sshing in, setenv'ing to my lan ip 01:37:20 but I still can't run it 01:37:20 Never tried it. I stick with consolse apps for remote access. 01:37:58 You need a tunnel or something. Plus you need your X server to allow remote access I think, or something like that. 01:39:28 shit 01:39:33 I can't print in BSD yet 01:41:49 syslogd: is ssh setup for forwarding?, display env set? 01:42:03 server side is 01:42:08 I'm not sure about client side 01:42:58 nblyumbe@homer../home/nblyumbe>setenv DISPLAY 192.168.0.4 01:42:59 nblyumbe@homer../home/nblyumbe>xterm 01:42:59 xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 192.168.0.4 01:42:59 nblyumbe@homer../home/nblyumbe> 01:44:17 display needs to specify a screen number as well 01:44:49 does it? 01:44:50 ok 01:45:11 umm.... i think? 192.168.0.4:0.0 ?, its been a while... 01:45:23 just :0 is fine 01:45:31 but now I get a nother error 01:45:36 nblyumbe@homer../home/nblyumbe>xterm 01:45:37 Xlib: connection to "192.168.0.4:0.0" refused by server 01:45:37 Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server 01:45:37 xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 192.168.0.4:0 01:45:37 nblyumbe@homer../home/nblyumbe> 01:58:01 Dave 01:58:03 You awake? 01:58:11 * syslogd sends "Mutt" after Dave 02:01:38 syslogd: i think this relates to my first question.. is ssh setup for forwarding (x)... it should be in the config files for ssh on the server. 02:02:15 the server is, I can run X apps from windows over SSH 02:02:47 I think my X server on this machine does not want to accept the conection because it doesn't trust it 02:03:40 hazmat has quit () 02:18:05 * davb is back 02:18:40 but I still can't help you... :) 02:39:18 davb has quit () 03:02:40 talli (talli@lti-4.dialup.access.net) has joined #openacs 03:23:50 talli has quit (Read error to talli[lti-4.dialup.access.net]: Connection reset by peer) 03:25:18 aegrumet (aegrumet@h002078cd53e1.ne.mediaone.net) has joined #openacs 03:30:04 abbaJ (jabba@adsl-65-65-96-86.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 03:31:37 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We're heading toward another cutover. You might want to check out New Code land on irc.openprojects.net:9000 to help us do a bit of preliminary testing, and check out http://openprojects.net/using_the_network.shtml for a reference sheet on channel and user modes for the new software. Thanks. 03:32:15 [GlobalNotice] We have not updated the services database in New Code land and won't do so, we'll just keep fixing things from there. Thanks. 03:36:10 [GlobalNotice] And in case nobody has told you lately, thanks for your patience. :) 03:39:05 vinod has quit (changing universes) 03:44:35 abbaJ has quit (Read error to abbaJ[adsl-65-65-96-86.dsl.austtx.swbell.net]: EOF from client) 03:47:46 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Dent informs me that, if you care to wander over to the test bed (just pick your normal server and use port 9000), it will become the production network rather seamlessly when it's time. So you may want to wander over sooner rather than later. ;) Thanks! 04:29:58 aegrumet has quit (Client Exiting) 04:56:55 syslogd has quit (Read error to syslogd[ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net]: EOF from client) 05:08:28 Psychephylax has quit (farmer.openprojects.net forward.openprojects.net) 05:08:28 chump has quit (farmer.openprojects.net forward.openprojects.net) 05:08:32 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 05:08:39 loggy (openacs-lo@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 05:08:40 topic is: Welcome to the OpenACS Helpline | http://www.openacs.org/ 05:08:40 Users on #openacs: loggy @AaronSw shagster 05:08:40 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 05:08:48 AaronSw has quit (benford.openprojects.net farmer.openprojects.net) 05:09:52 AaronSw (aaronsw@mewtwo.espnow.com) has joined #openacs 05:12:34 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 05:12:41 loggy (openacs-lo@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 05:12:41 Users on #openacs: @loggy 05:13:08 Disconnected from irc.openprojects.net (Connection reset by peer) 05:13:10 loggy (~openacs-l@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 05:13:10 Users on #openacs: loggy AaronSw shagster chump 05:13:18 [#openacs] This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 05:13:55 * AaronSw reconnects 06:18:45 [GlobalNotice] 06:19:09 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. Just a reminder. If you have conversion problems, including channel access list problems, please stop by #conversion. Thanks. 11:52:05 Nagualito (sdgsdgd@athe530-e039.otenet.gr) has joined #openacs 11:52:10 Nagualito has left #openacs 12:41:54 markd2 (~markd@166.102.41.115) has joined #openacs 12:42:19 markd2 is now known as m0nk3yb0t 12:43:00 m0nk3yb0t is now known as markd2 12:59:03 markd2 has changed the topic to: This topic no verb. 13:15:37 markd2 has quit ("Bork") 13:54:55 markd2 (markd@r-41.182.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 13:55:49 vinod (~vinod@207-172-255-241.s1257.apx1.sbo.ma.dialup.rcn.com) has joined #openacs 13:56:28 Psychephylax (proxy@ool-18baa98f.dyn.optonline.net) has joined #openacs 13:56:35 wheeee 13:56:54 heh 13:56:57 * Psychephylax is tired 13:58:45 * Psychephylax gives Mark a cookie for breakfast 13:58:56 thanks! 13:58:58 this topic no verb? 13:59:00 :) 13:59:02 * markd2 is camped at a friend's house 13:59:14 Hi Vinod 13:59:17 our electric is being worked on today, so no power at home 13:59:25 hey Psychephylax 13:59:55 Anyone use Mandrake here? 14:00:36 Psychephylax: nope, sorry 14:00:56 davb (~dave@208.136.23.203) has joined #openacs 14:01:02 markd2: what? you couldn't live without power for 1 day? 14:01:08 hey davb! 14:01:15 I wish 14:01:18 HI! 14:01:21 hey all 14:01:25 but the client I'm bleeding my aD time with is in the middle of a Big Migration 14:01:52 markd2: ouch... i see the countdown is 18 :-) 14:02:16 yep! 14:03:04 that's now a countdown to when I can open my ipod 14:03:15 the wife got it as an unemployment present 14:03:50 oh - thought the aDPL didn't let you use cool gadgets or something ;-) 14:03:58 heh 14:04:05 luckily I don't use acs/java, so that doesn't apply. muahahahahaha 14:04:11 haha 14:04:42 * vinod wonders if i'm supposed to get markd2 an unemployment present 14:04:51 no need 14:04:55 * vinod checks his couch for cookie crumbs 14:05:06 * Psychephylax gives Mark more cookies 14:05:14 mmm.. weight gain... 14:05:18 :) 14:05:35 Soon I'll have to start giving you sticks of butter so you can get out of your house :-/ 14:06:06 heh 14:06:10 mmmm.. dairy products 14:06:25 * Psychephylax is afraid mark will eat the butter 14:07:18 too late 14:10:00 argh! They put the muffins in the wrong bin again! 14:10:08 sounds kinky 14:11:03 no I just got an icky one that I can't eat... 14:11:14 they _look_ the same... 14:13:24 lol 14:15:49 http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?WikiLog 14:15:49 A: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?WikiLog from davb 14:16:04 A:|Wikilog == weblog + wiki 14:16:04 titled item A 14:16:26 A: Edit-this-page for Openacs can do all this (with a little clever templating) 14:16:26 commented item A 14:16:52 A: But don't forget Edit-this-page also is part of a robust, content management system! 14:16:52 commented item A 14:17:13 Don't want talli to think I am subverting his marketing efforts :) 14:20:13 http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?ViewPoint 14:20:13 B: http://www.usemod.com/cgi-bin/mb.pl?ViewPoint from davb 14:20:19 B:| ViewPoint 14:20:20 titled item B 14:20:29 B: another cool idea in community communication on the web 14:20:30 commented item B 14:30:43 markd2 has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 14:31:09 * davb thinks about migrating the chump to work inside AOLserver with PyWX 14:32:43 how does chump work now? (i'm clueless) 14:34:15 Its a python script that is an IRC client and listens to the channel. it writes the output to XML files. 14:34:41 Then I run a scheduled proc in AOLserver to XSLT the files to html and rss every 5 minutes. 14:35:44 Or I just need to get the XML data into the database. thats the real trick. 14:36:52 so, if it was in PyWX, instead of writing to XML files, you could write directly to the db 14:38:52 Oh yeah, right, i forgot about that :) 14:39:38 * vinod thinks davb is just looking for an excuse to use python :-) 14:40:04 Not really. I don't have time to learn, and the indentation code block thing scares me :) 14:41:11 yeah - i haven't used it much at all yet. but some of the features are interesting, like being able to pass functions as parameters (is that the right description) 14:41:54 makes it seem lisp-like 14:45:36 close enough for me :) 14:46:52 need to keep plugging away at SICP so i can at least sound like a programmer :-) 14:47:41 I need to start it. I am planning on learning my math first, calculus, etc... 14:49:36 argh, my mail is broken again (its not my day :) 14:50:06 doh! 14:50:55 i spose math and calculus are important, but i'm too impatient (so far, the math concepts haven't been too difficult) 14:51:19 abbaJ (~jabba@adsl-65-65-96-86.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) has joined #openacs 14:51:21 I want to learn everything though, I am mirroring mostly the adUNI path. 14:52:22 weird. when I do a dns query for the MX for my domain it doesn't work. If I just query for the domain name or a server name it works ok. 14:52:27 yeah - i'm actually a math geek. it was my favorite subject 14:52:49 I learned up to calculus, but that was 10 years ago, so I forgot most of it. 14:54:09 hmmm... now it seems to work... 14:54:19 dns is a black art 14:54:24 yes 14:55:48 now I probably have to wait another 24 hours for it to fix itself... 15:03:31 markd2 (markd@r-41.182.alltel.net) has joined #openacs 15:26:06 there is no art to dns 15:26:18 Women are easier to understand :) 15:26:27 heh 15:28:03 But more and more I find the biggest problem with DNS is ... Bind 15:28:14 true. 15:29:22 In fact, I've just about finished my converstion to djbdns since I has having some many DNS issues 15:32:23 til (tils@port-212-202-128-208.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 15:46:08 abbaJ has quit (Remote closed the connection) 16:39:33 talli (~talli@205.253.219.118) has joined #openacs 16:39:45 hey guys 16:42:08 Hi talli 16:44:04 hey talli 16:45:15 http://www.djbdns.org/ 16:45:16 C: http://www.djbdns.org/ from davb 16:45:27 C:|djbdns.org - more djbdns stuff 16:45:27 titled item C 16:53:03 Talli: any news on the new and improved openacs.org? 16:53:20 working on it. i will have some news soon 16:53:28 but nothing can happen until 16:53:45 a) the bboards are fixed. the scalability issue is major. if it's not fixed, they are useless 16:53:55 b) rbm writes up what he's thinking about the docs 16:54:09 OK. 16:54:19 That scalability issue is major. ouch. 16:54:20 next time you see him, annoy him about this. i've been chasing him for three weeks just to write me an email what he's thinking about 16:54:33 Aha. 16:55:12 I think its fixable. 16:55:37 because we have a good team of people, not based on any technical knowledge of the bboards 16:57:48 I am sure vinod is working on that right now 16:57:49 yeah, i agree it's fixable, and i know that don is on the job or at least will be soon 16:57:58 but the site can't go up or live till it's fixed. 16:58:13 right. 16:58:18 but i have been off my responsibility of keeping people up to date. 16:58:22 i will try and get to it today 16:58:42 np. I am just trying to avoid work again :) 17:16:46 talli has quit ("Peace & Protection 4.00 FINAL BETA") 17:17:47 http://www.randomhouse.com/modernlibrary/100best/novels.html 17:17:48 D: http://www.randomhouse.com/modernlibrary/100best/novels.html from davb 17:18:01 D:| anyone see a trend in the right hand "reader's list"? 17:18:02 titled item D 17:18:11 D: 100 best novels 17:18:11 commented item D 17:25:12 wow, only 4 ayn rand and 3 l ron hubbard books in the top ten? Surely they must have written some other books that we could stick in there 17:25:24 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 17:25:35 hello 17:25:51 hey ola! 17:26:25 C: 17:26:25 http://www.djbdns.org/ 17:26:26 djbdns.org - more djbdns stuff 17:26:27 hi vinod 17:28:21 can you get to www.infogettable.com ? 17:28:37 (I just switched to tinydns) 17:29:04 ola: could not be found :( 17:29:20 err www.infogettable.net :-( 17:29:49 yup, that works :-) 17:30:03 thanks! 17:31:40 np 17:34:24 davb: I was fooled by the testing procedures to believe my tinydns installation was bad - while it was working all along (I just didn't test it)... 17:35:13 argh :) 17:35:23 :-) 17:46:45 til_ (tils@port-212-202-128-208.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 17:46:45 til has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:59:25 geez - he goes on a roadtrip and that get's him into the new york times... 17:59:30 http://www.nytimes.com/2001/11/11/fashion/11ROAD.html 17:59:38 yeah 17:59:45 * markd2 wonders what happened to eve 18:02:13 if markd2 goes on a roadtrip once he's unemployed, i'll submit a story to slashdot 18:03:01 LOL 18:03:05 I might drive down to virginia 18:03:13 play a concert 18:03:14 hang out 18:03:16 set stuff on fire 18:03:50 the markd2 farewell tour!!! featuring FIRE!! 18:06:26 huh huh huh huh huh, he said Fire, Beeavis 18:07:47 yeah. Yeah. YEAH. YEAH!!!! 18:13:35 hazmat (~chatzilla@66.123.57.58) has joined #openacs 18:35:50 vinod has quit ("changing universes") 18:36:38 every time he does that, my desks melt and the cats start talking 18:39:06 heh 18:39:39 anybody seen k2pts... 18:40:15 darn time-space continuum warping... 18:40:19 Not today. 18:40:56 bummer, thanks davb 18:46:22 til_ has quit (Ping timeout: 184 seconds) 18:47:57 til (tils@port-212-202-128-208.reverse.qsc.de) has joined #openacs 18:54:24 talli (~talli@xcdfddb76.ip.ggn.net) has joined #openacs 18:56:02 hey AaronSw, i have wound. can you undo it? 18:56:17 Huh? 18:56:40 have you seen scripting.com today? 18:57:33 wait, go to http://winerlog.editthispage.com/ seems winer censored himself for saying something really stupid 18:58:01 ola has quit (Ping timeout: 181 seconds) 18:58:22 ola (~ola@as3-1-3.mal.s.bonet.se) has joined #openacs 18:58:39 http://static.userland.com/images/llamas/davehatesyou.gif 18:58:40 E: http://static.userland.com/images/llamas/davehatesyou.gif from talli 18:59:15 E: AaronSw and his evil band of RSS cohorts has painfully wounded the internet, according to Dave Winer 18:59:16 commented item E 18:59:28 http://www.ecs.com.tw/products/bookpc2.htm 18:59:28 F: http://www.ecs.com.tw/products/bookpc2.htm from davb 18:59:46 F:|BookPC - Cool Small PC cases 18:59:46 titled item F 19:00:42 E: again 19:00:42 commented item E 19:01:29 F: actually not quite a PC, but cool anyways 19:01:29 commented item F 19:01:55 logger, off 19:02:00 loggy, off 19:03:14