IRC log of openacs on 2001-11-12

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00:16:01 [docwolf]
ok guys. time to try this scary distro.
00:16:22 [docwolf]
catch ya in a bit
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one small step for me...one large step for mankind
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00:19:25 [davb]
http://www.jjg.net/ia/
00:19:26 [chump]
G: http://www.jjg.net/ia/ from davb
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G:|Information Architecture Resources
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titled item G
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Greeeeetings
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00:33:08 [markd2]
So why'd you get bumped by nickserv?
00:33:39 [Sporkiephylax]
because I have Psychephylax and Spork registered but I leave it idling
00:33:54 [Sporkiephylax]
And when Nickserv decides to wake up it forces re-authentication
00:34:05 [Sporkiephylax]
But I'm not here to retype the password :(
00:34:15 [davb]
Oh, I never authenticate :)
00:34:29 [Sporkiephylax]
I should jsut add my nicks to the access list =)
00:34:38 [Sporkiephylax]
Dave, you ever get your DNS problem fixeD?
00:34:48 [Sporkiephylax]
FreeBSD hugo.neverhere.com 4.4-STABLE FreeBSD 4.4-STABLE #2: Sun Nov 11 18:58:56 EST 2001 root@hugo.neverhere.com:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/HUGO_SIMPSON i386
00:34:51 [Sporkiephylax]
muahaha
00:35:15 [davb]
yes.
00:35:22 [davb]
I don't know how :)
00:35:25 [Sporkiephylax]
I fixed the erratic mouse movement after I flip between computers with KVM
00:35:47 [Sporkiephylax]
anyone familiar with "flags" in the kernel config?
00:38:32 [Sporkiephylax]
brb
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00:52:49 [davb]
hi talli, bye talli
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00:57:52 [Sporkiephylax]
lol
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01:08:06 [docwolf]
redmond linux = spectacular failure on my inspiron 8000.
01:08:24 [davb]
ack
01:08:31 [docwolf]
that is my thorough review. :-)
01:08:32 [Sporkiephylax]
syn!
01:16:22 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. If you're having access list or other problems with your channel, please stop by #conversion and talk to miro. We're pretty much committed to continue on with the new code. Thanks for using OPN!
01:18:07 [rbm]
docwolf: oh :)
01:18:10 [rbm]
laptops can be trickpy
01:20:19 [Sporkiephylax]
Roberto, do you use FreeBSD?
01:21:00 [karll]
We used FreeBSD (procplace)
01:21:12 [karll]
I mean... use... FreeBSD
01:21:12 [rbm]
I have, in the past. I don't currently have any BSD boxen
01:21:19 [Sporkiephylax]
ever use FreeBSD through a KVM?
01:21:32 [rbm]
I don't think so. Not sure what a KVM is.
01:21:32 [karll]
yah, all the time
01:21:51 [Sporkiephylax]
ever get a psmintr out of sync (0000 != 0008) messages?
01:22:30 [karll]
nope, what kind of kvm switch are you using?
01:22:39 [Sporkiephylax]
Belkin
01:22:45 [karll]
hmm... one sec
01:23:46 [karll]
We're using a Belkin OmniView Pro 8-port...
01:24:01 [Sporkiephylax]
i have a Cube 4 port
01:24:17 [karll]
most of the systems are Tyan 1U S2510 motherboards, but we have an assortment of misc boxes with AMD cpus, etc
01:24:24 [Sporkiephylax]
heh, did you know some of the Pro 8 ports had swapped firmware chips...there was a number of them
01:24:43 [karll]
and they all seem to work fine. did not know about firmware swaps
01:24:52 [Sporkiephylax]
ah
01:25:06 [Sporkiephylax]
I think it's more of a mouse type
01:25:13 [karll]
If you have any openacs problems with interrupted system call errors, check out my tcl patch on http://lehenbauer.com
01:25:45 [Sporkiephylax]
i disabled the mouse type probe and it works fine now
01:25:48 [Sporkiephylax]
but I can't use the mouse wheel
01:25:55 [karll]
oh yeah, psm == mouse, duh... dammit my backspace is a delete and i'm misconfigured
01:26:10 [Sporkiephylax]
:)
01:26:23 [karll]
using a NC new-internet-computer to ssh into the server
01:26:34 [karll]
kind of a p o s
01:27:02 [karll]
i just use a very stock logitech mouse
01:27:13 [karll]
what version of x are you running
01:27:40 [Sporkiephylax]
not sure
01:28:07 [Sporkiephylax]
i have the logitech wheel mouse optical
01:28:13 [karll]
i believe the wheel support in substantially improved in Xfree version 4, of course your problem occurs during the o s boot
01:28:24 [Sporkiephylax]
no
01:28:39 [Sporkiephylax]
it occurs when I swap between 2 boxes
01:29:19 [karll]
oh ok, well that's about all i have to contribute
01:29:27 [Sporkiephylax]
:)
01:29:34 [Sporkiephylax]
well
01:30:05 [Sporkiephylax]
do you know how "bit 9" is converted to "0x200"
01:31:19 [karll]
nah. i am poking around right now, tho'
01:31:27 [Sporkiephylax]
do man psm
01:33:36 [karll]
google search on "psmintr out of sync" yielded a lot of matches...
01:33:54 [Sporkiephylax]
I searched for it
01:34:05 [Sporkiephylax]
I searched the FreeBSD archive
01:34:22 [Sporkiephylax]
none of them explain how bit 9 = 0x200
01:35:42 [karll]
This looks interesting, http://www.pl.freebsd.org/FAQ/FAQ134.html
01:36:10 [karll]
"If the problem occurs often, you may add the following option to your kernel config: options PSM_CHECKSYNC"
01:36:20 [karll]
although it's kind of an old message
01:36:45 [karll]
oh you're ahead of me
01:37:18 [Sporkiephylax]
?
01:37:42 [karll]
i see further down in the doc stuff about disabling sync check code, so i assume you've read this already
01:37:51 [Sporkiephylax]
yup
01:37:57 [Sporkiephylax]
i solved the problem
01:38:08 [Sporkiephylax]
I just want to try other bit settings
01:38:22 [Sporkiephylax]
which requires that I know how bit 9 = 0x200
01:38:34 [Sporkiephylax]
It does not look hex'ish
01:38:46 [Sporkiephylax]
since 9 in hex is still 9
01:39:08 [Sporkiephylax]
and 12 in octal (if I can add right)
01:39:14 [Sporkiephylax]
maybe 11
01:40:13 [karll]
and if it was bit number nine, numbering from least significant equals 0, it'd be 0x400, and if numbered form 0 it'd be 0x1000...
01:40:40 [Sporkiephylax]
right
01:40:55 [Sporkiephylax]
so i have no idea how bit 9 = 0x200
02:06:39 [davb]
ARGH! These people are idiots.
02:07:10 [docwolf]
uhoh
02:07:30 [davb]
They have a registration screen where you need to enter in your number which you got from a web page. So you copy it. Then try to paste into the reg form, but NOoooo its a FLASH form and you can't paste in there.
02:07:49 [davb]
This is inside a windows application which does have normal dialog boxes. It is not a web application.
02:08:23 [davb]
oops. CTRL-V doesn't work, right-click doesn't work. BUT edit-paste does work.
02:08:56 [davb]
but it is free, so should I complain? :)
02:09:17 [docwolf]
that was the classic arsdigita response
02:09:18 [Sporkiephylax]
if want to add a command to start something for me in *nix where should it normally go?
02:09:21 [docwolf]
"hey, it's free, right?"
02:10:30 [rbm]
Sporkiephylax: Anywhere in your $PATH (echo $PATH). I usually put in /usr/local/bin
02:10:41 [davb]
I concur.
02:10:52 [davb]
docwolf: lol!
02:10:53 [Sporkiephylax]
nah
02:10:57 [Sporkiephylax]
you misunderstand
02:11:04 [Sporkiephylax]
I want it to start on it's own when I boot
02:11:11 [rbm]
If it's a package with diferent files, I use "stow" to easily install and uninstall
02:11:12 [davb]
Depends on which *nix
02:11:17 [Sporkiephylax]
FreeBSD ;)
02:11:24 [davb]
* davb remembers "stow" for future reference
02:11:40 [davb]
I though Sporkiephylax was the BSD guru around here :)
02:11:45 [Sporkiephylax]
heh
02:11:48 [Sporkiephylax]
I get by
02:11:48 [rbm]
stow is cool. I use it whenever I'm compiling something
02:12:33 [davb]
Mine startup scripts are in /etc/init.d linked to the various /etc/rc*.d
02:13:44 [Sporkiephylax]
* Sporkiephylax vaguely recalls /usr/local
02:14:28 [Sporkiephylax]
I want RC5 starting automatically in a screen on boot
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02:16:15 [Sporkiephylax]
Hi Don
02:16:30 [Sporkiephylax]
heh
02:16:42 [Sporkiephylax]
now I know how to fix my mouse problems on the other BSD box
02:16:44 [davb]
* davb uninstall the free tricky-ware
02:17:09 [Sporkiephylax]
Hmmm...is it possible to alter kernel parameters without actually rebooting a unix machine?
02:17:47 [davb]
It has all the buttons, when you click on them it says "OH, you actually want to USE the software, you should upgrade to the Real version..." all this after saying "this is not cripple-ware, its a fully functioning product..."
02:19:30 [donb]
What are you talking about, davb?
02:19:52 [davb]
Strata 3D....
02:20:04 [donb]
Never heard of it :)
02:20:28 [davb]
Its good, worth the $$$ for the real version, but I don't like the trickiness.
02:30:28 [Sporkiephylax]
* Sporkiephylax is away: studying to be a failure
02:30:45 [Sporkiephylax]
It's a lot of hard work!
02:51:32 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We had a brief configuration problem which resulted in users being told they couldn't connect without a password. It's been resolved.
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03:30:34 [aegrumet]
hi folks
03:31:02 [aegrumet]
is anyone clueful about maxidle/maxopen in aol33?
03:31:12 [aegrumet]
I seem to remember in aol32 on Linux
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you needed to set these to a large number
03:31:24 [aegrumet]
to avoid disastter
03:43:20 [lilo]
[GlobalNotice] Hi all. Reminder: There were some limitations in the conversion scripting for chanserv. If you're experiencing channel problems, drop by #conversion. Thanks.
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04:15:47 [hazmat]
aegrumet: there was a good discussion of it not to long ago on the aolserver mailing list.
04:17:31 [hazmat]
iirc, on 3.2 you needed to make them equal else there was a leak because of improper clean up of the tcl intrepreter.
04:17:53 [hazmat]
* hazmat digs through his email
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* hazmat falls into a hole
04:21:19 [hazmat]
never mind... wrong parameter...
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04:37:52 [aegrumet]
hazmat: okay, thanks anyway
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hey guys
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anyone here?
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hello?
09:13:35 [dent]
Hello everyone, just wanted to let you know that channel founders should now have access to their channel regardless of their prior situation, it has been fixed for every channel registered. There may still be some access lists which have not had the levels updated - if you can't contact the founder we may be able to help you. Anyway, if there are any outstanding issues, please feel free to come bug us in #conversion.
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anyone alive?
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ye
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brb
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[GlobalNotice] Good morning to everyone in EST, and hello to everyone else :) Yes, we are currently back to ircu, instead of our new codebase, dancer. We are examining our options, but be assured the bug that caused us to revert back is known and has been fixed. It is currently being tested right now. Cross your fingers, please :)
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13:44:28 [davb]
Hello ola
13:44:36 [ola]
morning Dave!
13:45:33 [ola]
Does your site feel snappier now or am i only dreaming?
13:49:37 [davb]
heh
13:49:52 [davb]
probably is. Its on cable now, before it was on 128K DSL.
13:50:37 [ola]
I posted to the djbdns mailing list today. Hopefully someone can help me even though my question is badly formulated...
13:50:59 [ola]
How fast is your cable?
13:51:35 [davb]
no idea :)
13:52:07 [davb]
Yes. I setup tinydns on that machine and its working OK. Just had a little mishap where I left out some DNS entries like the MX records :)
13:57:20 [ola]
I saw that a new rss package is available. what does "rss" stand for?
14:02:33 [davb]
RDF Site Summmary, or something else... :) its debatable.
14:03:26 [davb]
try:
14:03:27 [davb]
http://www.blogspace.com/rss/
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A: http://www.blogspace.com/rss/ from davb
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A:|RSS Info
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titled item A
14:24:57 [ola]
hmm...very cool. I think I want this technology on my upcoming website:-)
14:25:32 [ola]
I think it's goog if things change often (and automatically).
14:25:48 [ola]
s/goog/good
14:26:34 [ola]
openacs.org should provide feeds!
14:46:08 [davb]
its coming :)
14:50:05 [davb]
its very spiffy.
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hi abbaJ
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heya
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15:15:32 [davb]
Hello Psychephylax
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hey
15:19:08 [Psychephylax]
you watching the news?
15:19:28 [davb]
Nope (kids), but my wife called me. Plane crash in your general vicinity.
15:19:40 [ola]
hi Psychephylax!
15:20:32 [Psychephylax]
yeah
15:20:37 [Psychephylax]
It was headed to Santo Domingo
15:20:43 [Psychephylax]
I'm going there in 5 days
15:20:50 [Psychephylax]
Hi Ola
15:21:42 [davb]
aigh. I knew that sounded familiar.
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15:34:40 [Psychephylax]
aha
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i think this will work
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15:47:23 [Psychephylax]
hey mark
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hi
15:57:58 [markd2]
sure!
15:58:09 [markd2]
oh
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16:02:49 [Psychephylax]
question
16:03:06 [Psychephylax]
i have a functional script called ubr-find.tcl
16:04:05 [Psychephylax]
it's in a subdirectory called ubrfinder
16:04:18 [Psychephylax]
because it requires some other files that get loaded in the script
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when I try to exec the script from my page
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it says it can't find the files the script loads
16:04:57 [Psychephylax]
couldn't open MIB file "cisco-smi.mib": no such file or directory
16:05:01 [markd2]
what if you execute like this
16:05:23 [markd2]
exec sh -c "cd /your/directory; /your/directory/burfinder"
16:05:28 [markd2]
e.g. cd to thed irectoy first
16:05:38 [markd2]
but don't use the tcl 'cd' command - it's not thread safe
16:06:04 [Psychephylax]
i don't use threads!
16:06:25 [Psychephylax]
set ubr [exec /web/oacs/www/snmp/www/ubrfinder/ubr-find.tcl]
16:15:34 [Psychephylax]
do I have to cd back ?
16:23:30 [Psychephylax]
mark?
16:25:48 [davb]
I don't think so.
16:26:01 [davb]
try it :)
16:26:04 [markd2]
AOLserver is threaded!
16:26:09 [markd2]
you need to worry about "cd" in tcl
16:26:17 [markd2]
and don't use "cd" in tcl
16:26:28 [markd2]
you can't trust what your current directory is
16:26:36 [Psychephylax]
yeah I figured that much
16:26:40 [Psychephylax]
I have a better solution
16:27:06 [davb]
Excellent.
16:27:13 [davb]
* davb does not feel like working....
16:29:50 [Psychephylax]
me neither
16:30:06 [Psychephylax]
I'm just going to put the mibs into the place where the program looks for default mib defs
16:31:41 [Psychephylax]
oh
16:31:54 [Psychephylax]
Mark, do you know if it's possible to pass new parameters to the kernel without rebooting?
16:36:36 [markd2]
depends on the parameter i think
16:36:40 [Psychephylax]
Well
16:36:48 [Psychephylax]
I need to tell my mouse to use 0x200
16:36:50 [markd2]
you can change the shared memory settings by catting into /proc somthing I think
16:37:35 [Psychephylax]
here's the prob
16:37:49 [Psychephylax]
When I use my KVM switch the mouse pointer gets all wild and crazy
16:38:09 [Psychephylax]
I fixed it on my other machine by recompiling the kernel with the 0x200 flag for the mouse driver
16:38:17 [Psychephylax]
So I want to fix my other box
16:38:22 [Psychephylax]
but it's been up for 111 days
16:38:35 [Psychephylax]
Not really up for rebooting it to install the other custom kernel
16:46:33 [markd2]
yeah
16:46:48 [Psychephylax]
yeah?
16:48:58 [markd2]
yeah!
16:49:11 [markd2]
¿que?
16:54:27 [Psychephylax]
wuh?
16:56:02 [markd2]
I see
16:56:04 [markd2]
tell me more
17:00:45 [davb]
* davb works on a dorky flyer for another non-paying client...
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that is a client who has no money, but may have some someday....
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argh
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* davb saves up for a Mac
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Hello abbaJ, vinod
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howdy
17:17:08 [vinod]
hello!
17:19:07 [abbaJ]
friggin' gcc is jacked
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17:40:56 [markd2]
wb vnd
17:42:41 [davb]
Vowel shortage markd2?
17:44:43 [vinod]
hwdymrkd2
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I feel like abbrving today
17:47:53 [vinod]
that markd2 - he doesn't do much useful stuff, but he sure is efficient about it ;-)
17:48:26 [aegrumet]
or maybe he's learned to speak in "soundex"
17:48:54 [vinod]
lol
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markd2 is now known as intermediarkd2
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heh
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markdork2
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mark2d2
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* markd2 beeps, whirs, and whistles
18:00:11 [Psychephylax]
gah
18:00:18 [Psychephylax]
Heyyyyy it's vinod!
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hey Psychephylax
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hi
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lunch time
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bbl
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18:26:44 [talli]
hey guys
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18:33:43 [davb]
hi talli
18:50:50 [davb]
http://discuss.andredurand.com/iame
18:50:50 [chump]
B: http://discuss.andredurand.com/iame from davb
18:50:56 [davb]
B:|Project IAME
18:50:56 [chump]
titled item B
18:51:14 [davb]
B:"The goal of Project IAME ("I AM ME") is to define the requirements, technologies and architectures required to deliver the world's first universal identity schema and associated software infrastructure."
18:51:14 [chump]
commented item B
18:51:24 [Psychephylax]
back
18:52:16 [markd2]
oh
18:52:22 [markd2]
I thought that was a lower-case L
18:55:25 [davb]
heh
18:58:39 [Psychephylax]
lol
18:58:56 [Psychephylax]
Gotta love corporate environments
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nothing works
19:01:07 [markd2]
heh
19:04:09 [Psychephylax]
They blame the printer problems on me
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of course
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* markd2 blames everything on you
19:15:47 [Psychephylax]
yeah I blame it on myself too
19:16:00 [Psychephylax]
foreach bad_thing bad_things_dine {
19:16:12 [Psychephylax]
puts "It's your fault!"
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}
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s/dine/done
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Do I need a complex procedure to do simple inserts?
19:17:33 [markd2]
nope
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db_dml spork "insert into cookie_recipients values ('markd')"
19:18:01 [Psychephylax]
right
19:22:45 [Psychephylax]
how about this:
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foreach cm_ping $ping_list {
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ns_dml insert "insert into snmp_cm_pings (incident_id,ping_time) values ($incident_id, $cm_ping)"
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}
19:26:40 [markd2]
sure
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us db_dml
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s/us/use
19:27:26 [Psychephylax]
ah
19:31:34 [Psychephylax]
ok
19:31:42 [Psychephylax]
if I have a list which is 6 things long
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and I don't need the first one
19:32:09 [Psychephylax]
wait
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i'm very confused
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I can't add my script in without making the thing crash
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but my script works
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someone should slap me with a sausage
19:43:48 [markd2]
homey don't do that
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lol
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mmmmm
19:53:19 [Psychephylax]
SImpsons
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I hope Season 2 is coming out christmas time
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hi k2pts and vinod
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hi dave
20:25:23 [Psychephylax]
I'm starting to get bored of this project
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20:27:17 [vinod]
greetings all!
20:27:25 [markd2]
Hi!
20:27:30 [Psychephylax]
hey vinod
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* Psychephylax gives Mark a cookie
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:-)
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brb
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[GlobalNotice] Hi all. I'm not sure how well-announced the backslide to the old server code was, but we'll be restarting the new code within the next few minutes. We had a rather nasty server rehash corruption problem. We'll keep you posted.
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hey guys, anyone home?
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