IRC log of openacs on 2001-11-08

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00:01:48 [Psychephylax]
I go study
00:01:57 [Psychephylax]
Check ya laters
00:02:05 [Psychephylax]
Mmm...databases algebra
00:03:30 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax detaches
01:16:38 [docwolf]
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01:16:44 [docwolf]
good evening
01:17:11 [markd2]
hiya
01:18:14 [docwolf]
my comment about MIT proved prophetic.
01:18:31 [docwolf]
i'm now convinced that many people at aD rode the "short bus" to school.
01:19:23 [markd2]
LOL
01:19:33 [markd2]
what inspired the epiphany>
01:19:36 [docwolf]
check this out
01:19:46 [docwolf]
so, there was a thread on slashdot about some "virtual server" patch
01:20:09 [docwolf]
where you can turn a craptacular intel clone into a bunch of virtual machines under linux
01:20:41 [markd2]
heh
01:20:46 [markd2]
that sounds.. exciting.
01:20:46 [docwolf]
I had experience with a closed-source package for RH that did just that (ensim), so i posted a little message about it
01:21:12 [docwolf]
check out what some AC from aD posted as a reply...
01:21:18 [docwolf]
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23452&cid=2531405
01:21:19 [chump]
H: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23452&cid=2531405 from docwolf
01:21:28 [docwolf]
short bus.
01:21:30 [docwolf]
all of them.
01:21:46 [markd2]
* markd2 loads over his pitifully slow link
01:23:05 [docwolf]
"Piss off, marketting droid. We don't need your kind around here."
01:23:17 [docwolf]
that is so wrong -- on SO MANY levels :-)
01:23:26 [markd2]
heh
01:23:38 [markd2]
is that an aD guy? sounds like a normal slashdot flame
01:23:44 [docwolf]
no, it's an aD
01:23:54 [markd2]
whoa
01:24:02 [docwolf]
aD person -- they recognized my handle. Many developers at aD for whatever reason are hostile
01:24:22 [docwolf]
I have no idea what I did.... other than tell them to shut their pie holes & stop flaming the ACS community.
01:24:36 [markd2]
I always thought you were cool
01:24:38 [docwolf]
i'm fairly sure I know who posted that message
01:25:11 [docwolf]
their hostility is misplaced. it's very sad.
01:25:12 [markd2]
Personally, I don't think anyone (no matter where there degree is from) should do professional development without going through a year or two of tech support
01:25:19 [markd2]
we'd have fewer abortions like ACS/Java
01:26:05 [docwolf]
yeah. that project seemed screwed from the outset.
01:32:57 [markd2]
* markd2 is imagining the fantasy where microsoft programmers have to support their own code
01:33:10 [rbm]
* rbm reads the backlog
01:33:18 [rbm]
* rbm things docwolf is cool
01:33:24 [rbm]
s/things/thinks/
01:37:28 [rbm]
* rbm plays with Pythons
01:37:34 [rbm]
s/s$//
01:43:49 [rbm]
* rbm heads to the meeting
01:44:08 [rbm]
(our Free Software and Linux Club meeting that is)
01:49:32 [Psychephylax]
Mark?
01:49:41 [markd2]
yep
01:51:45 [Psychephylax]
can you check something out?
01:52:01 [markd2]
sure
01:52:04 [Psychephylax]
cool :)
01:52:05 [markd2]
cvs checkout spork
01:52:15 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax checks himself out of the insane asylum
01:52:34 [Psychephylax]
pdf or doc?
01:52:44 [markd2]
ugh
01:52:49 [markd2]
put a pdf on a website
01:52:54 [Psychephylax]
affirmative
01:53:31 [Psychephylax]
oh
01:53:33 [Psychephylax]
I can do HTML
01:53:51 [markd2]
html would rule(tm)
01:54:24 [Psychephylax]
©
01:55:21 [markd2]
ok
01:55:49 [Psychephylax]
Oh
01:55:59 [Psychephylax]
Do you know about 3NF and BCNF?
01:56:19 [markd2]
remind me what BC is
01:56:48 [markd2]
and are you wanting stuff to be 3NF?
01:56:57 [Psychephylax]
Boyce Codd Normal Form
01:57:40 [Psychephylax]
Well, my stuff is in some sort of a form, I have to say what it is in
01:57:45 [markd2]
vaguely
01:57:46 [Psychephylax]
i think it's in BCNF except maybe 2 tables
01:58:10 [markd2]
there's some things, like the book I'd do differently
01:58:21 [Psychephylax]
Explain how
01:58:25 [markd2]
like only store Publisher_city once (looking at the diagram)
01:58:42 [Psychephylax]
why is that?
01:58:48 [markd2]
you have it there twice!
01:58:55 [markd2]
Book Entity
01:59:04 [markd2]
the picture
01:59:18 [markd2]
publisher_city at 1:00 and 3:00
01:59:36 [Psychephylax]
heh
01:59:37 [Psychephylax]
fixed
01:59:40 [markd2]
the publisher to be real normal form would break the publisher_city out into another table
01:59:51 [Psychephylax]
What do you want from college students who lack sleep and have presentations for boss :P
02:00:09 [Psychephylax]
hang on
02:00:24 [Psychephylax]
My stuff that is on the site (less the mistake you just told me) is correct?
02:00:27 [markd2]
so if you have 20 books from O'Reilley, you'd only have Stevastapol, CA in once. vs 20 times with what you have
02:00:53 [Psychephylax]
right
02:01:04 [markd2]
I still don't like author having a direct reference to isbn, but we've been throug hthat before
02:01:26 [markd2]
the diagram doesn't ahve any date, which means you'll have duplicate authors if you ahve more than one title from them
02:01:41 [markd2]
I take that back
02:01:43 [markd2]
my eyes stopped working
02:01:51 [Psychephylax]
ah yes...the lazy eye syndrome
02:01:56 [markd2]
I take back my take back
02:02:05 [markd2]
you'll still have duplicate author data
02:02:16 [markd2]
the birthdate handles the "two john smith" case
02:03:55 [markd2]
the DaysINQueue and DaysOut, are those stored?
02:04:00 [Psychephylax]
yeah
02:04:09 [markd2]
if so, how do you update them? some periodic sweep through the db to update them?
02:04:16 [Psychephylax]
trigger
02:04:21 [markd2]
trigger on what?
02:04:27 [Psychephylax]
trigger on rollday
02:04:35 [markd2]
ok
02:04:40 [Psychephylax]
Remember, we have the librarians manually triggering next day events
02:04:47 [Psychephylax]
I trigger on that :)
02:04:49 [markd2]
ugh
02:04:57 [Psychephylax]
Uh huh..
02:05:03 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax points at the spec sheet...NOT MY IDEA!
02:05:11 [markd2]
heh
02:06:04 [Psychephylax]
i just wanna know if that system satisfies the stupid spec requirement (obviously would be modified for real world data) and what forms might this be in
02:06:31 [markd2]
hmm.. can't help much in the forms department
02:06:52 [Psychephylax]
Well, what about the first part
02:07:08 [markd2]
I'm pretty much 'put it into 3NF, and denormalize if you run into performance problems'
02:07:18 [Psychephylax]
right
02:07:27 [Psychephylax]
BCNF is a little stricter than 3NF
02:08:20 [markd2]
the author thing is not 3NF, and the publisher_city is arguable
02:10:29 [markd2]
* markd2 finishes reading
02:10:31 [markd2]
looks pretty good to me
02:12:00 [Psychephylax]
ok cool
02:12:22 [Psychephylax]
so everything but author is in 3NF
02:13:32 [markd2]
I think so
02:13:35 [Psychephylax]
ok
02:14:27 [Psychephylax]
heh
02:14:44 [Psychephylax]
I think everything is in BCNF or 3NF because of the assumptions we made about authors
02:14:57 [Psychephylax]
Technically, you're correct...It's not in 3NF by real world standards
02:15:05 [Psychephylax]
but it is since authors have unique names
02:15:23 [markd2]
the names is taken care of
02:15:29 [markd2]
I'm talking about if one author has two books
02:17:02 [Psychephylax]
Ah
02:17:03 [Psychephylax]
right
02:33:17 [davb]
arhg, A domain for a website I am hosting expired last month.
02:34:42 [davb]
its still active though.
02:36:57 [davb]
and its still at network solutions ...
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02:53:13 [Psychephylax]
bah
02:53:18 [Psychephylax]
This is soooooooooooooo confusing
02:53:24 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax pokes mark
02:58:01 [davb]
he has departed. whats up?
02:58:20 [Psychephylax]
databases
02:58:24 [Psychephylax]
Functional Dependencies
02:58:33 [Psychephylax]
Normal forms
02:58:35 [Psychephylax]
Ahhhhhhhh!
02:58:37 [davb]
Aha.
02:58:50 [davb]
Oh My I think is the correct exclamation there :)
02:58:59 [Psychephylax]
Ahd people insist on arguing about a network I have seen on paper and they only imagine in their heads
02:59:09 [davb]
Well of course!
03:03:02 [Psychephylax]
I don't claim to be a pro of the network since I did not design it
03:03:14 [Psychephylax]
but half the people I talk to on a daily basis did
03:03:19 [Psychephylax]
It kinda rubs off
03:03:55 [davb]
yes.
03:04:28 [davb]
* davb comtemplates building a new PC for the 3-year-old
03:05:18 [davb]
Sounds like where I work, we need to duplicate this data in another table because I don't want to have to do a query to run a report.
03:05:38 [Psychephylax]
?
03:06:22 [Psychephylax]
=)
03:06:23 [davb]
sorry...the alleged "programmer" at work says its too much effort to do a join of two tables, so just duplicate the data.
03:06:27 [davb]
Not bad!
03:07:06 [davb]
these people are getting paid ALOT more than me to spout off crazy stuff like that.
03:07:34 [Psychephylax]
ok, can I come down to "work" and smack this `programmer`?
03:07:51 [davb]
heh. sure! be my guest.
03:07:54 [Psychephylax]
ok
03:08:02 [Psychephylax]
just give me directions
03:08:10 [davb]
I'll email them :)
03:08:55 [davb]
I don't think that will be necessary. He installed windows XP on his computer at home.
03:09:09 [Psychephylax]
hahahahahaha
03:09:15 [Psychephylax]
His death will come soon........
03:09:17 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax hides
03:09:42 [davb]
Thing is he has windows 2000 also. In fact he has EVERY version of windows.
03:10:49 [davb]
Aha. I just figured it out. We need more programmable toys!
03:11:15 [Psychephylax]
heh
03:11:18 [davb]
All the electronic computer-like toys are not programmable.
03:11:42 [Psychephylax]
They are if they work at VB
03:11:43 [Psychephylax]
ack
03:11:44 [Psychephylax]
CV
03:11:47 [davb]
Like LEGO, you can build anything you want. Also they have robots which are programmable.
03:11:58 [davb]
?
03:12:03 [Psychephylax]
heh
03:12:13 [davb]
Also, then I can play with them.
03:13:38 [davb]
MINDSTORMS Dark Side Developer Kit (9754)
03:14:24 [davb]
Which is a robot kit to build an AT-AT
03:14:26 [davb]
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004T30V/ref=cm_list/002-3543771-4665619
03:14:26 [chump]
I: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004T30V/ref=cm_list/002-3543771-4665619 from davb
03:14:39 [davb]
I:|Mindstorms Dark Side Developer Kit
03:14:39 [chump]
titled item I
03:14:57 [davb]
MS should change the .NET framework to the Dark Side Developer Kit :)
03:19:13 [Psychephylax]
rofl
03:19:46 [davb]
Anyway that is an ultimate nerd toy. Star Wars, Lego, its a robot, what else do you need?
03:24:45 [davb]
time for me to sleep. g'night!
03:24:54 [Psychephylax]
later
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05:09:34 [hazmat]
tcl question, what does prepending a \# to uplevel signify ?
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as in uplevel \#[adp_level] {codeblock}
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mooooo
05:40:48 [aegrumet]
hey rbm
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* AaronSw reconnects
14:14:44 [ola]
good morning davb!
14:16:09 [ola]
brr! woke up this morning and there was snow outside...
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Woah! we don't have any yet, but it was 20 degress F
14:17:34 [ola]
how much is that in Celcius?
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too tired to thing about it. Approx -10 I think.
14:18:39 [davb]
* davb installs tinydns on his debian box.
14:19:16 [ola]
-6.66 according to this: http://www.pitt.edu/~rsup/tempconv.html
14:19:27 [davb]
cool.
14:19:55 [davb]
* davb has no idea why the US is so dumb about C/F and metric etc...
14:20:09 [ola]
I intalled tinydns erlier today..
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s/erlier/earlier
14:20:37 [davb]
Cool. I am attempting to move my DNS over to the cable and be free of DSL. I have to transer a domain at network solutions. Its evil.
14:21:19 [ola]
heh
14:21:35 [davb]
Cool. the debian installer creates all the proper users/groups for tinuydns.
14:21:38 [ola]
I hate DNS stuff and firewalls:-)
14:22:58 [davb]
Yeah. I also have to duplicate my email setup. that is tricky. its qmail/courier-imap/vpopmail
14:23:14 [ola]
DJ Bernstein's documentation is mighty good but he doesn't cover *my* case.
14:23:33 [davb]
Oh, that is not fun. Did you try the mailing list archives?
14:24:23 [davb]
I learned alot from the qmail archive.
14:25:17 [davb]
Wow. that was easy.
14:25:23 [ola]
not yet but I think I'll have to consult it.
14:25:48 [davb]
oops, I forgot to START tinydns :)
14:26:24 [ola]
don't tell me it's because of Debian it's easy. :-)
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14:26:56 [ola]
hi markd2
14:27:06 [markd2]
greetings
14:27:14 [davb]
No its easy because of daemontools!
14:27:26 [davb]
:)
14:28:25 [ola]
0.76?
14:29:11 [davb]
I think so.
14:29:25 [davb]
Whatever was new two months ago or so when I reinstalled this box.
14:29:44 [ola]
ok
14:29:46 [davb]
maybe 0.75
14:31:26 [ola]
cool. I just got my new company domain.
14:31:34 [markd2]
excellent
14:31:48 [ola]
it's greek. polyxena.net
14:31:49 [markd2]
ola-master-of-the-universe.com
14:32:02 [ola]
almost:-)
14:32:15 [davb]
Cool.
14:33:03 [ola]
it translates to something like "many guests"...
14:33:39 [davb]
* davb installs qmail from debian package
14:33:52 [davb]
the real challange is customizing it for my wacky setup.
14:34:18 [davb]
after this I will be 100% debian for my servers :)
14:36:03 [ola]
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14:36:25 [markd2]
Or "collector of many episodes of Xena, Warrior Princess"
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14:39:55 [markd2]
Or "collector of many episodes of Xena, Warrior Princess"
14:40:09 [davb]
argh. ucspi-tcp is not building...
14:41:34 [davb]
time to do it the old-fashioned way :)
14:42:53 [davb]
That worked.
14:44:54 [ola]
davb: are you going to install qmail the old-fashioned way as well?
14:45:20 [ola]
if so you might want to tru my qumailinst script.
14:45:39 [ola]
s/tru/try
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s/qumailinst/qmailinst
14:48:09 [davb]
I am trying the debian package, but its not working because the ucspi pacakge is not installed. argh. I'll try that. where can I get it?
14:48:19 [ola]
I'm not sure it works with the latest daemontools though: http://www.infogettable.net/software//qmailinst.txt
14:49:13 [davb]
oops. I already installed daemontools and uscpi.
14:50:37 [davb]
now I need to install qmail by hand. The debian package at least creates all the users/groups I needed.
14:57:39 [davb]
dumb questions. in passwd whats the name after the second number for? ie
14:58:05 [davb]
qmaill:*:11111:11111:what is this homedir
15:00:58 [ola]
from the man page: The gecos field can be set by the
15:00:58 [ola]
user. It is expected to be a comma separated list of personal data where
15:01:00 [ola]
the first item is the full name of the user.
15:01:21 [davb]
oh ok.
15:01:26 [davb]
cool, thanks.
15:01:33 [ola]
np
15:02:27 [davb]
The debian installer uses a different group than the life with qmail instructions.
15:03:58 [ola]
damn traitors.
15:04:46 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw disconnects
15:05:33 [davb]
well its installed. now to make it RUN and customize it.
15:18:59 [Psychephylax]
well, shit
15:19:02 [Psychephylax]
I'm going to fail my test
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15:23:33 [markd2]
which test?
15:23:52 [Psychephylax]
databases
15:25:35 [markd2]
you seemed to be doing pretty well last night
15:25:58 [Psychephylax]
Yeah but that's diff from what he will ask on the test
15:26:07 [Psychephylax]
by the way, I modified it some more
15:27:39 [markd2]
cool. lemme know what we got on it :-)
15:28:03 [Psychephylax]
yeah one question I had for you
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was...
15:28:30 [Psychephylax]
My friend did a "Wrote" table mapping authors to books
15:28:40 [Psychephylax]
I didn't think it was necessary but I could be wrong
15:28:54 [markd2]
in the Real World you'd want it
15:28:57 [Psychephylax]
and...the second question is...do I need a table for relations such as "book is a copy"
15:29:00 [markd2]
but we know this isn't the real world
15:29:18 [davb]
hello aegrumet
15:29:40 [Psychephylax]
Or something like BookCopy IsOn shelf
15:30:12 [Psychephylax]
the IsOn is a relation but I satisfy it by having an attribute of BookCopy that binds it to a specific book so I did not see a need to have a "IsOn" table
15:31:46 [markd2]
that works
15:31:53 [Psychephylax]
ok
15:31:54 [markd2]
a copy can't be on more than one shelf at a time,
15:31:59 [markd2]
so no need for a seperate table
15:32:02 [Psychephylax]
right
15:32:22 [Psychephylax]
I vaguely recall my professor stating something along the lines of "You need a table for every relation" but maybe that was just a dream
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15:32:45 [ola]
Psychephylax: as long as you know everything about normalization and Codd's twelve rules you should be ok (and if you can spell "orcle" that might give you an extra point).
15:32:53 [ola]
s/orcle/oracle
15:33:04 [markd2]
ola doesn't ge tan extra point
15:33:09 [markd2]
go back to your Xena tapes
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15:33:51 [ola]
heh
15:33:57 [Psychephylax]
lol
15:34:03 [Psychephylax]
ola what are these 12 rules
15:34:17 [AaronSw]
* AaronSw reconnects
15:34:18 [Psychephylax]
i want the "No Frills" version of the rules too
15:40:54 [Psychephylax]
I don't even know what they will ask me
15:41:08 [Psychephylax]
eh..I guess that's why they call it a test... ;-/
15:41:23 [markd2]
Rule 1: no pooftas
15:41:30 [Psychephylax]
pooftas?
15:41:33 [markd2]
Rule 2: No member of the faculty is to
15:41:33 [markd2]
maltreat the Abbos in any way at all .... if
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there's anybody watching
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Rule 3: no pooftas
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Rule 4: Now this term, I don't want to catch
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anybody not drinking
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etc etc
15:41:54 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax gives Mark a cookie in hopes of distracting him
15:42:08 [markd2]
(Monty Python routine involving close to 12 rules)
15:42:15 [Psychephylax]
oh
15:44:32 [Psychephylax]
can't find it
15:46:00 [markd2]
http://www.rraz.co.uk/alexs/python/MontyPython3.htm
15:46:00 [chump]
A: http://www.rraz.co.uk/alexs/python/MontyPython3.htm from markd2
15:46:09 [markd2]
A: Monty Python Bruces Sketch
15:46:09 [chump]
commented item A
15:47:16 [ola]
http://www.mwscomp.com/visrules.html
15:47:17 [chump]
B: http://www.mwscomp.com/visrules.html from ola
15:47:45 [ola]
:B|Afew of Codd's twelve rules
15:47:57 [ola]
:B| Afew of Codd's twelve rules
15:48:09 [ola]
hmm
15:48:52 [Psychephylax]
heh
15:48:53 [ola]
B:| A few of Codd's twelve rules
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titled item B
15:49:53 [davb]
hmmmmm
15:50:11 [davb]
* davb checks yesterdays log because qmail is not repsponding on port 25
15:50:18 [markd2]
heh
15:50:29 [markd2]
qmail-smtp
15:50:40 [markd2]
I'm copying over a tcpserver config now
15:50:56 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax listens
15:51:13 [davb]
yep
15:51:16 [Psychephylax]
I like the 4th rule
15:51:24 [davb]
(i didn;t get far enough in life with qmail apparently)
15:53:33 [Psychephylax]
lol
15:53:46 [Psychephylax]
I am printing out the 12 rules now
15:53:56 [Psychephylax]
On the test i will write 1 sentence and get an A :)
15:54:19 [Psychephylax]
"This database does not satisfy these rules so I refuse to do the problems"
15:54:27 [Psychephylax]
and staple the rules on top
15:54:28 [Psychephylax]
lol
15:54:49 [davb]
You have to explain WHY is doesn't satify the rules.
15:54:55 [Psychephylax]
i can do that
15:54:57 [Psychephylax]
:-D
15:55:07 [Psychephylax]
It's rather simple too
15:55:17 [Psychephylax]
because the person who designed the database did not understand the rules
15:55:19 [Psychephylax]
lol
15:57:01 [davb]
yeah!
15:57:07 [davb]
qmailsmtpd is listening!
15:57:55 [Psychephylax]
qool
15:58:25 [markd2]
here too!
15:58:26 [markd2]
woo hoo!
16:01:05 [davb]
yeah!
16:01:14 [davb]
Now I have to install the rest of the crap I need.
16:01:46 [davb]
WTF, courier-imap installs EMACS20??!
16:02:07 [davb]
and Python 1.5 and Python 2.1
16:02:30 [davb]
also POSTGRESQL???
16:02:33 [davb]
weird.
16:03:13 [Psychephylax]
mmmm
16:03:15 [Psychephylax]
emacs
16:03:23 [davb]
I think my apt is going insane.
16:03:42 [davb]
oh wait...
16:03:44 [davb]
maybe not.
16:03:53 [davb]
Still thats alot of crap for a little mail package.
16:04:24 [Psychephylax]
i'm going to travel to school
16:04:33 [davb]
this box hasn't been updated in awhile.
16:10:15 [markd2]
good luck on the test
16:10:39 [Psychephylax]
thanks
16:10:53 [Psychephylax]
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16:11:18 [davb]
* davb wait impatiently for the email from network solutions
16:20:27 [davb]
I think I will disable POP3 and just use IMAP.
16:40:23 [markd2]
wow. Rzolf has a mention. http://www.ftrain.com/cute_animals.html
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17:18:31 [adler]
hello
17:18:38 [markd2]
greetings
17:18:53 [adler]
is there I can participate in off-topic converstations?
17:19:08 [adler]
s/there/this where/
17:19:14 [markd2]
sure!
17:19:43 [markd2]
markd2 has changed the topic to: Welcome to #openacs, the OpenACS hotline and off-topic cnversation channel. Now fortified with docwolf!
17:19:54 [markd2]
markd2 has changed the topic to: Welcome to #openacs, the OpenACS hotline and off-topic conversation channel. Now fortified with docwolf!
17:19:57 [markd2]
damn O key
17:20:05 [adler]
great. I'll just idle in the background and occasionally chime in with a worthless and personal remark
17:20:23 [markd2]
excellent
17:24:14 [davb]
Great.
17:24:43 [davb]
So I need to setup virutal domain support for Qmail. I am choosing vpopmail because I set it up before and it works with courier IMAP. Anyone else ever use this?
17:25:26 [davb]
or any other package?
17:25:33 [adler]
no, but if you need help with a good custard recipe, /msg me
17:26:31 [davb]
Ok.
17:27:59 [davb]
argh!
17:28:11 [davb]
I need to compile courier-imap too! This is a pain.
17:28:30 [markd2]
heh
17:28:30 [markd2]
http://www.redhat.com/support/resources/gotchas/7.1/images/rhn_register1.gif
17:28:31 [chump]
C: http://www.redhat.com/support/resources/gotchas/7.1/images/rhn_register1.gif from markd2
17:28:47 [markd2]
C: Redhat support image for registering a system profile
17:28:47 [chump]
commented item C
17:29:13 [rbm]
davb: why? It's in Debian.
17:29:21 [rbm]
davb: BTW, working with courier can be a pain
17:29:36 [rbm]
On, never mind. I was confused with Cyrus
17:30:19 [davb]
rbm: fun that has occured this morning: ucspi-tcp wouldn't build from the debian package. Without that qmail wouldn't build frm the debian package. without that vpopmail won't build frm the debian package.
17:30:25 [davb]
:)
17:30:39 [rbm]
Oh. qmail.
17:30:41 [davb]
So I installed Qmail, ucspi-tcp from source.
17:30:51 [rbm]
I wish drb would let people distribute binaries.
17:30:57 [davb]
I could probably use postfix, but then i would have to read those docs too.
17:31:08 [davb]
the ucspi-tcp package is not up-to-date.
17:31:15 [davb]
I think that is the main problem.
17:31:26 [adler]
rbm: talk to me about the doc roadmap. :)
17:35:31 [rbm]
adler: errr
17:36:06 [adler]
if you could hand off the work, I would take it as much as was feasible.
17:36:17 [rbm]
I am handing off work.
17:37:43 [adler]
talli mentioned that he was supposed to help
17:42:57 [rbm]
Talli is helping.
17:44:16 [rbm]
misposo, zzzirk: http://fslc.usu.edu/about/directions.adp <-- take a look and tell me if it makes sense
17:44:18 [rbm]
ooops
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18:32:53 [talli]
hey guys
18:33:00 [markd2]
hey talli
18:33:27 [talli]
her markd
18:35:10 [davb]
hi talli
18:41:00 [adler]
hey talli
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19:30:37 [davb]
hmmmm
19:37:31 [davb]
courier imap is working, but the userdb authentication is not...
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anyoen can help me on whats the command to change the mtu on openbsd?
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19:41:28 [davb]
* davb forgets it and install courier-imap from source.
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20:12:44 [davb]
ARGH, I can't compile courier-imap due to some missing library
20:13:22 [markd2]
heh
20:13:26 [markd2]
welcome to hell^H^H^H^H unix
20:13:53 [davb]
:)
20:13:57 [davb]
I think I found it.
20:14:51 [davb]
So does anyone know of a good package to do virtual mail domains with qmail?
20:15:18 [markd2]
virtual mail domains?
20:15:24 [markd2]
* markd2 isn't conversant with the lingo
20:15:49 [davb]
IE I have one mail server. It serves mail for multiple domains. None of the people who have mail accounts have user accounts.
20:15:58 [markd2]
oh
20:16:03 [davb]
:)
20:16:14 [markd2]
I've got some docs on doing it with POP3
20:16:31 [markd2]
actually linked off of qmail.org. lemme dig it up
20:16:36 [davb]
thanks
20:17:15 [markd2]
http://www.pgregg.com/projects
20:17:15 [chump]
D: http://www.pgregg.com/projects from markd2
20:17:30 [markd2]
D: Single UID Qmail Mailbox How-To
20:17:30 [chump]
commented item D
20:17:41 [markd2]
I haven't worked on the outgoing mail problem
20:17:59 [markd2]
e.g. letting bob@loudounsymphony.org who has a random @home IP send mail relayed through my machine
20:18:28 [davb]
That is tricky/impossible and usually not necessary unless his ISP is really a jerk.
20:18:53 [davb]
He should be able to just use his ISPs SMTP with whatever email address he wants.
20:18:54 [hazmat]
davb, why not use cyrus instead of courier?
20:19:35 [hazmat]
never mind
20:19:38 [davb]
hazmat: No clue. I setup courier on the other machine and its working. I am trying to recreate the config on this machine. I'll look at it if this doesn't work.
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20:21:01 [davb]
does it play nice with Qmail?
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20:25:39 [hazmat]
yes, google is my friend, http://www.abiglime.com/webmaster/articles/cgi/062398.htm
20:25:56 [hazmat]
i use postfix...
20:26:13 [davb]
maybe I will too :)
20:30:10 [hazmat]
anyone want to be a guinea pig for an acs_python package?
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20:39:38 [davb]
maybe after I finish this email mess....
20:40:51 [hazmat]
suceess, i have mastered the upvar/level hell that is acs-templating :-)
20:40:57 [hazmat]
* hazmat dances a litte jig
20:42:15 [davb]
that is very impressive!
20:45:17 [hazmat]
actually i haven't mastered it, its just a hack... but it works.
20:47:05 [markd2]
woo hoo!
20:47:38 [Psychephylax]
well shiznat!
20:47:45 [Psychephylax]
or shall I say SHAZBOT!
20:47:53 [Psychephylax]
i didn't do well at all
20:48:07 [markd2]
:-(
20:48:11 [Psychephylax]
yeah
20:48:17 [Psychephylax]
He asked no sql questions
20:48:30 [Psychephylax]
and they were all about BCNF and Functional dependencies
20:50:09 [rbm]
Psychephylax: Looks like my database class test
20:50:13 [rbm]
Average was 66
20:50:16 [Psychephylax]
ah
20:50:24 [Psychephylax]
Well, we'll see what happens
20:50:38 [Psychephylax]
Had he given us real attributes I would have done better
20:51:02 [rbm]
same here
20:51:21 [Psychephylax]
Oh well
20:51:23 [rbm]
He just gave us "A->B and C->D" and things like that
20:51:24 [Psychephylax]
it was only 20%
20:51:27 [Psychephylax]
yes
20:51:29 [Psychephylax]
Same here
20:51:50 [Psychephylax]
If R is ABCDEFGH and you have FDs {GH->A ..etc )
20:51:54 [Psychephylax]
I can't think in letters
20:51:56 [rbm]
Problem is my professor is a stupid jerk who makes all these "rules" that are never written and that nobody in the world follows.
20:52:19 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax wonders if rbm is sharing a professor with Psychephylax
20:52:28 [markd2]
It's the db professor archetype
20:52:34 [Psychephylax]
heh
20:52:51 [davb]
thats all relational algebra.
20:53:04 [davb]
Noone needs to know it unless they are writing a database.
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20:53:10 [rbm]
The reason he makes all these "rules" (that he _never_ writes) is so he can be as arbitrary as he wants on grading
20:53:18 [Psychephylax]
heh
20:53:22 [Psychephylax]
sounds about right
20:53:37 [Psychephylax]
I just know I'll rock the project
20:53:39 [Psychephylax]
And the final
20:53:48 [Psychephylax]
Just like I rocked the first test =)
20:53:54 [Psychephylax]
aneways
20:53:56 [rbm]
My professor's tests are like this: 10 questions. Miss a question and your grade drops a whole letter.
20:54:01 [Psychephylax]
lol
20:54:09 [Psychephylax]
I gotta go program
20:54:14 [Psychephylax]
be back later I hope
20:54:22 [rbm]
* rbm leaves for a bit
20:54:25 [Psychephylax]
* Psychephylax detaches
21:13:00 [davb]
yippee! it works. I have no idea how :)
21:13:59 [davb]
Now I just have to move the maildirs and change the MX records.
21:15:24 [markd2]
is this that single-UI mailbox thing?
21:15:51 [davb]
Yes. I am using Qmail/CourierIMAP with Vpopmail. It makes it nice to manage the virtual domains.
21:16:04 [davb]
It also does POP3, but I didn't bother turning it on.
21:16:05 [markd2]
nice
21:17:15 [davb]
It should have wokred the other way, but I could not get it to work except with passwd user accounts.
21:19:19 [davb]
oops.
21:19:31 [davb]
I erased my tinydns data file.
21:19:34 [markd2]
the trrricorder must be broken
21:20:53 [davb]
nevermind, its still there.
21:21:07 [markd2]
yay!
21:21:12 [markd2]
* markd2 fixes the trrrricorder
21:26:08 [davb]
weird, I broke the DNS somehow. Oh I know.
21:26:58 [davb]
can you get to www.thedesignexperience.org ?
21:29:58 [markd2]
lemme try
21:30:26 [davb]
thanks
21:31:30 [davb]
I found a nifty small local co-location shop. I gotta call though...
21:35:03 [davb]
I can't even access the site by domain name from itself. I believe i screwed up the DNS (again)
21:36:12 [davb]
gotta go.
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23:00:11 [talli]
hey guys
23:02:39 [markd2]
yo
23:03:16 [talli]
markd2, what is up with te aolserver listserv? does it work?
23:03:30 [talli]
i keep trying to register but it never lets me view the archives
23:03:34 [markd2]
I've been getting the daily update
23:03:36 [talli]
it tells me i'm confirmed
23:03:37 [markd2]
erm dugest
23:04:27 [talli]
i don't get any
23:07:17 [talli]
ah, i'm in. thanks
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