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Apologies. 01:10:46 AaronSw has quit 01:10:46 davb has quit 01:10:50 AaronSw has joined #openacs 01:10:50 davb has joined #openacs 01:11:15 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 01:11:50 shagster has quit 01:11:50 vinod has quit 01:18:38 vinod has joined #openacs 01:18:48 hi vinod 01:19:30 * markd2 contributes to pg idocs 01:19:37 Cool! 01:26:38 hey all 01:26:56 hey you 01:27:03 markd2 installs pg once and now he's writing the docs? 01:27:14 I just gotta be me 01:27:18 haha 01:27:21 I'm keeping some Oracle->PG notes too 01:28:18 cool - can't wait to see 'em! 01:34:45 Sporkiephylax has joined #openacs 01:34:55 :) 01:35:15 greetings 01:35:19 hello 01:35:19 hi 01:35:23 hey Sporkiephylax 01:35:28 Hey Vinod! 01:49:16 UltraHouse! 01:51:50 Vinod is in the UltraHaüs 01:52:00 heh 01:52:06 mark 01:52:24 Regarding adding day of birth to Authors...I looked over it and I don't think it's necessary as each author is unique 01:54:29 just the author name? 01:54:33 yeah 01:54:35 that's sufficient to be unique? 01:54:41 yes 01:54:42 because: 01:54:42 vinod has quit 01:54:43 What if two different John Smiths write books? 01:55:00 Author names (but not patron names) are unique. 01:55:09 remember...crappy school simulation 01:55:14 yeah 01:55:19 I can't castrate my mind like that 01:55:24 heh 01:55:35 I Can Only Go So Far 01:55:41 * markd2 babbles incoherently 01:55:45 he is only 2 months away from graduating :) 01:55:52 give him a break. 01:55:57 heh 01:55:57 heh 01:56:09 then he'll be writing Real Systems with the bad notions crammed in his skull 01:56:23 no 01:56:38 I plan on forgetting everything I learned by killing my brain cells with beer and starting anew 01:56:42 Well, he knows its silly, but he still has to do it. Isn;t that the same in the "real world"?? :) 01:57:13 I am really scared about this MS settlement. I am also very disappointed in NYs attorney general. 01:57:44 But its probably not as bad as everyone is saying. I doubt they will take over the internet. 01:58:42 is there a new settlement with the 3 states that wanted to go to court? 01:59:03 I had fun trying to explain why we didn't need to duplicate data in our new database again today. Tomorrow I plan to hit my head against a brick wall repeatedly for a break. 01:59:09 Maybe, I can't keep up with it. 02:00:14 they aren't saying which states caved in, but last I heard NY was going to go along with it. 02:00:23 Not a peep on the AGs web site. 02:01:17 yeeehhaaaw 02:01:26 I got a 6 day vacation 02:01:36 suh-wheet 02:01:37 Excellent. Before or after the demo? 02:01:40 yeah 02:01:41 After 02:01:48 not bad. 02:02:27 Why do all stories about the Federal Reserve cutting interest rate not say WHICH rate they have changed? 02:03:11 Aha, I was right, its the overnight bank rate. Not for real people. 02:03:30 hmmm? 02:03:30 docwolf has joined #openacs 02:03:42 dgeilhufe has joined #OpenACS 02:03:49 hey doc 02:03:53 hello docwolf and dgeilhufe 02:05:17 Its the federal funds rate. Not the prime interest rate. 02:05:39 shagster has joined #openacs 02:06:40 hi everybody! 02:06:51 davb: someone buying a car? 02:06:52 how's it going? 02:07:37 talli has joined #openacs 02:07:38 not me. :) 02:07:45 hi talli. 02:07:47 hey guys 02:07:57 is geilhufe trying to get you guys to do something nasty? 02:08:12 not yet... 02:08:16 ah, rbm... just the man i wanted to speak with... 02:09:22 what's the word this eve, friends and foes? 02:09:45 hey talli 02:09:51 hey sporkie 02:09:53 i have discovered a new form of terrorism 02:10:13 you being a businessman, you know of any good places we can rent cheaply for a NYC OpenACS social? 02:10:22 vinoderrisom 02:10:34 my "friends" are signing me up on porn sites 02:10:37 with my email address 02:10:42 no need to "rent" 02:10:46 and "personal" sites 02:10:47 oy 02:10:50 we hosted the first one in our office 02:10:51 it's big enough 02:10:54 ack! 02:10:57 hopefully they're good sites 02:10:59 haha 02:11:01 how can i get friends like yours, doc? 02:11:09 I open my mailbox, and it's like a tidal wave of spam 02:11:10 are they paying? 02:11:13 talli: it wasn't you?? 02:11:14 dgeilhufe has quit 02:11:32 mmm... porn tidal waves 02:11:35 haha 02:11:38 http://www.oregonlive.com/metrowest/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/metro_west_news/100444969518181382.xml 02:11:38 G: http://www.oregonlive.com/metrowest/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/metro_west_news/100444969518181382.xml from davb 02:11:48 G:|5th grader programs in Visual Basic 02:11:49 titled item G 02:11:53 that's quite a URL there 02:11:57 G: get this kid some free software!! 02:11:57 commented item G 02:13:03 dude... the kid pulled the old "Werdna" trick... any old farts here recognize that name? 02:13:10 G: I mean Free Software 02:13:10 commented item G 02:13:45 man do i feel old. not just because of the teen porn in my mailbox, either. 02:14:01 i only know about redrum 02:14:02 "werdna" was the name of the villain in wizardry. 02:14:22 (the author was andrew greenburg) 02:14:29 Aha. Skipped that one. Thats not "old" though. I just never got a change to play it. 02:14:48 is that old or just incredibly nerdy? 02:14:49 My first computer game was "hunt the wumpus" 02:15:04 davb: wizardry was one of those games where you either really played it, or ignored it. no in between :-) 02:15:08 or something like that. and no ,talli its no what you are thinking. 02:15:12 hunt the wumpus... on the c64 02:15:18 * markd2 == docwolf 02:15:25 as far as wizardry goes 02:15:44 markd2: we are both embarrassing fossils. 02:15:52 (says docwolf, listening to the soundtrack from Tron) 02:16:01 I played over the telephone. My dad brought home a terminal with a thermal printer (no screen) :) 02:16:12 Now I am here. 02:16:21 docwolf: you get an award for the Tron line 02:16:21 I don't feel that much has changed. 02:16:35 talli: no, i'm serious -- i really _am_ listening to Tron 02:16:42 whoa 02:16:51 please kill me. 02:16:55 docwolf, i fear for your life 02:17:14 perhaps there is some anthrax you can get? i think that might help you. 02:17:39 i didn't know there was a soundtrack from tron 02:17:50 are you listening to it on vynil? cassette? 02:17:53 yep. written by a pretty famous new-age musician, wendy carlos. 02:17:54 eight track? 02:18:03 78 02:18:08 dope 02:18:11 on the old victrola 02:18:29 how is the hamster running inside? 02:18:37 how old is the hamster, i mean 02:18:43 a little paunchy. he's seen better days. 02:19:15 ugh.. maybe i need a time machine. I don't feel right in 2001. 02:20:08 though rumor has it that Disney has completely run out of ideas, and they may remake Tron. 02:20:55 * Sporkiephylax goes to bed 02:25:14 well, docwolf, if you're going to admit that you are listening to Tron, i will admit my sudden urge to listen to Total Eclipse of the Heart 02:25:44 and as a result, i've ended up on a webpage with an animated gif of Elmo 02:25:57 who the hell is Bright Eyes? 02:26:37 ShootMeUpElmo 02:31:27 talli: unfortunately, 02:31:48 that total eclipse thing came up in my mp3 playlist eariler this evening. i am doomed. 02:32:06 oooo... can you email it tome? 02:34:00 hehe... 02:34:12 dude 02:34:22 talli: upgrade your IRC client, if you know what i mean... 02:34:45 to what? 02:34:53 something like, oh, maybe AIM? 02:35:06 it looks like the only person here with dcc that works is markd2 02:35:15 unless my client is lying to me 02:35:16 it should work with me 02:41:43 aaronSw's should work - we use the same basic client 02:44:36 i think my client is just diseased or something 02:46:59 hey docwolf... 02:47:04 i heard you met stallman once... 02:47:07 how was it? 02:47:15 Well, Talli, now that you ask..... 02:47:27 does everyone want to hear an embarrassing tale? 02:47:50 * talli sits rapt at his workstation, awaiting a tale of emmense proportion 02:48:00 (rbm, you around? :-) ) 02:48:17 I'm sure i told this one before 02:48:20 sure! 02:48:51 ok, for posterity, and as a plug for roberto, i'll tell you the story of my trip to Roberto's Conference 02:49:01 in Utah last year. I'd go again if I had the chance. 02:49:29 So, Roberto invited me out to this GNU/OpenSource conference to speak. 02:50:00 I thought i'd build his club a clone & donate it to his club 02:50:19 and get some good press for arsdigita. (the server that I built is actually still running at fslc.usu.edu) 02:50:43 anyway, so i built this clone for the club, then flew to salt lake. 02:50:57 Sporkiephylax has quit 02:51:05 met up with another arsdigitan whom you may know (Uday Mathur), and we drove together from Salt Lake to Logan 02:51:45 We had a grand time... interesting landscape, huge houses with polygamists.. a great drive all around 02:52:06 so, we get to Logan, and meet up with Roberto. 02:52:15 mmmm... polygamy 02:52:30 Logan and USU are really interesting. They are squarely in the middle of nowhere. 02:53:07 It looks like a great place to study, because of its isolation 02:53:08 Psychephylax has joined #openacs 02:53:16 (I'm not surprised Baccus digs up dinosaurs there) 02:53:51 anyway, we meet up with Roberto and go out to dinner at.... I think it was Chilis. (I'm a big spender) 02:54:28 I decide to be virtuous, and eat a salad. MAJOR, MAJOR mistake. 02:55:18 ummm... is this the ryan's steak house story again? 02:55:32 Anyway, we drop off our ArsDigita schwag and then go off to our hotel rooms to get some sleep before the conference tomorrow 02:55:40 (ryans style story approaching..) 02:56:08 BTW, we stayed at the hotel on campus -- it was _awesome_ .. highly recommended. we were in the Penthouse Suite, it cost like $5. 02:56:41 I start to feel woozy... but in control. 02:57:08 the next morning..... as we're setting up our booth & the conference began, I had a major ryan's like episode. 02:57:37 so, i spent the day mostly running back & forth from the booth to the .. umm.. facilities. 02:57:45 oof 02:57:58 but roberto & uday got up and spoke in front of about 200 people 02:58:01 about the virtues of OpenACS 02:58:08 while I hurled, and handed out aD T-shirts. 02:58:18 must have been some salad 02:58:25 markd2: it was epic. 02:59:01 anyway, I was feeling really bad. My body clock was totally off, we were in the mountains, and I had some lethal ecoli. 02:59:09 whoa. stay away from the raunchy ranch in logan utah 02:59:27 so, the evening rolls around and stallman is going to give the keynote 02:59:58 but before he starts talking, roberto and Joe Grover (another one of the dudes that runs the free software club at utah) 03:00:19 were up at the podium giving away prizes --- mostly some t-shirts and o'reilly books. 03:00:42 as they were raffling off this stuff, a bloated, slovenly person sprang to the front of the room. 03:01:02 it was stallman. And he was harrassing roberto and joe about giving away books! 03:01:26 "Are those books really 'free'? How can you in good faith give away those books, and perpetuate this sort of licensing, etc..." 03:01:51 he was of course referring to the fact that O'reilly books aren't "free", in either sense. 03:01:58 whoa 03:02:14 so, poor joe and roberto were getting hammered up on stage. it was fucking horrible. 03:02:28 So, I pick up one of philip's books, and race up to the stage 03:02:35 is he, in fact, insane? 03:02:36 (it must have been the bacterial toxins going to my head) 03:02:50 or the greenspun RDF 03:02:51 but I shouted out: "Look, _this_ book is free -- we can raffle it off instead." 03:03:12 and i showed it to stallman. He didn't look pleased to see philip's smiling puss on the cover. 03:03:31 Stallman is just jealous of Alex 03:03:39 so, stallman shut his pie-hole, we raffled the stack of philip books off 03:03:48 and the crisis was averted. 03:03:56 does stallman not like philip? 03:04:13 stallman was pissed, because as I later learned, charging up to the stage and making accusations 03:04:16 is part of his "act". 03:04:30 heh 03:04:32 I'm sorry though, he was acting like a fucking tool. (pardon my french)( 03:04:54 yeah. You shouldn't use 'tool' in a family forum like this, you bastard. 03:04:59 haha 03:05:11 if he had a problem with Tim O'reilly, he should take it up with o'reilly 03:05:26 and not try to humiliate the two dudes who arranged a pretty big software conference in his honor. 03:06:10 later that evening, we all went out to dinner. 03:06:20 stallman did not become any less strange. 03:06:50 he spent most of the dinner playing with his laptop. (no, i'm not kidding) 03:07:40 what was he doing on his laptop? hacking emacs? 03:07:50 I think he was just responding to email 03:07:58 it was really weird. 03:08:18 so, i don't think this year's guest, bruce perens, will be as.. umm.. "exciting" :-) 03:08:33 hopefully more sane 03:08:56 I get pissed when people try to pull the full-on "star treatment" 03:09:12 stallman's showboating at roberto's expense didn't fly with me. 03:11:16 well, he sounds like a mal-developed person. at least in terms of his person in social contexts 03:16:13 ugh.. that describes most people at MIT. 03:16:26 heh 03:16:28 oops, did i type that, or did I just _think_ that? 03:16:34 do you know if other Prestegious Schools (like CMU) are like that? 03:17:58 haha. i think MIT is _special_, because they get people who applied to harvard, but didn't have the social skills. 03:18:26 can I add that to my quote file? 03:18:34 haha 03:20:56 old man needs his sleep 03:20:58 catch folks tomorrow 03:21:03 markd2 has quit 03:21:04 later markd2 03:21:33 ok, this guy is going to spend some time learning more about the classic film Tron. 03:21:39 see you guys later as well 03:21:46 talli has quit 03:53:58 hey doc. you still here? 03:54:30 * rbm still feels chivers go up his spine when he thinks of Stallman going up on the stage 03:57:05 I don't think I'll ever forget Adam and Uday saving our butts that day :) 04:00:27 haha 04:00:29 hi roberto 04:00:47 it was quite a day! 04:01:01 here's to hoping that this year's show isn't as... umm... eventful ;-) 04:01:45 hehe 04:01:56 Bruce should be more sociable :) 04:02:17 docwolf: Unfortunately, because of the economic climate, we don't have anything to give away thus far :( 04:02:50 d'oh 04:02:55 i wish i could help :-( 04:03:16 I think we're going to go to the bookstore and buy a couple ORA books to give away 04:03:25 cool 04:03:35 i'm surprised o'reilly hasn't volunteered a few copies 04:03:38 But that's pretty much going to be it. 04:40:08 aegrumet has joined #openacs 04:55:57 [GlobalNotice] Hello, just a quick note to everyone that we seem to have found the bugs which were causing the ircd to core last time we tried to convert to dancer-ircd. 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They have all the New York universities favorite books at amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/browse-communities/-/214822/books/ref=cm_detail/104-5665802-0158347 15:35:11 apparently you guys don't buy enough books at amazon... 15:35:52 oh, if you go to State University of New York, then Stony Brook, it works. 15:36:32 hey 15:36:46 This is #3 at Syrcuse University: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/browse-communities/-/214822/books/ref=cm_detail/104-5665802-0158347 15:38:31 i don't get it 15:44:01 what why so many people bought a Fortran book? 15:45:55 * markd2 *hearts* fortran 15:46:55 They have lists for music, videos etc too. This is _really_ cool. 15:46:58 Because Fortran is still used by Mechanical and Electrical Engineers 15:47:09 Aha. 15:47:42 aegrumet has joined #openacs 15:47:50 Hi aegrumet 15:47:55 hey all 15:48:15 davb: rss generation stuff is coming along 15:48:33 service contract is defined and data model files written 15:48:37 Great. 15:48:50 SOrry I haven't been much help :) 15:48:54 is okay 15:49:16 I only manage to grab the odd hour on nights or weekends 15:49:27 hopefully will have something workable by the coming weekend 15:49:47 It will be a very useful package. 16:04:32 shagster has quit 16:10:04 [GlobalNotice] Hi all. We'll be restarting services in a moment, accompanied by some splits. Thanks in advance for your patience. 16:11:35 davb has quit 16:11:35 rbm has quit 16:11:35 AaronSw has quit 16:12:00 AaronSw has joined #openacs 16:12:00 davb has joined #openacs 16:12:00 rbm has joined #openacs 16:12:24 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 16:13:31 docwolf has quit 16:36:03 Yahoo! 16:36:03 http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ 16:36:04 A: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ from davb 16:36:12 A:| Eric's Mathworld Returns!! 16:36:12 titled item A 16:36:58 A: [What happened to Mathworld| http://mathworld.wolfram.com/erics_commentary.html] 16:36:58 commented item A 16:40:39 I am glad its back, but I don't like the settlement at all. But then again, its not my stuff and I am very happy the resource is available. 16:41:29 A: Bottom Line, make sure if you ever sell a book, to be very clear about online distribution rights. 16:41:29 commented item A 16:50:01 good site! I need to get reacquainted with most of that:-) 16:50:51 Yeah, my head is spinning. I have to get back up to speed on my math if I want to study computer science. 17:00:27 * AaronSw reconnects 17:20:01 hey Psychephylax, you around? 17:25:04 yes 17:25:07 I think 17:25:15 Might not be around for much longer 17:25:53 ok 17:26:17 a friend from munich had some SNMP questions. figured I'd tell him to catch you here 17:26:19 what's up 17:26:23 sure 17:26:42 i'm no SNMP pro though 17:26:43 so if some weird guy named Branimir shows up, he's a bud of mine 17:26:47 you know more than me! 17:26:56 I started talking about email before he bitchslapped me 17:28:39 lol 17:28:58 loggy has joined #openacs 17:28:58 topic is: Welcome to the OpenACS Helpline | http://www.openacs.org/ 17:28:58 Users on #openacs: loggy AaronSw davb rbm aegrumet chump abbaJ Psychephylax ola markd2 17:28:59 This channel is logged: http://www.blogspace.com/openacs/chatlogs/ and blogged: http://www.thedesignexperience.org/openacs/ircblog 17:38:10 hazmat has joined #openacs 17:40:17 Hi hazmat 17:40:37 hi davb 17:46:54 hi 17:50:36 docwolf has joined #openacs 17:50:47 hi, everybody! 17:52:49 hi 17:55:57 hey wolfman, did you catch that VCER video? 17:56:12 pretty funny spoof on ER 17:57:39 heh, sounds funny 17:58:08 oh is that the Real Aaron Swartz? 17:58:15 (not the robot) 17:58:17 no 17:58:18 it's the clone 17:58:23