IRC log of openacs on 2001-11-07

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01:18:48 [davb]
hi vinod
01:19:30 [markd2]
* markd2 contributes to pg idocs
01:19:37 [davb]
Cool!
01:26:38 [vinod]
hey all
01:26:56 [markd2]
hey you
01:27:03 [vinod]
markd2 installs pg once and now he's writing the docs?
01:27:14 [markd2]
I just gotta be me
01:27:18 [vinod]
haha
01:27:21 [markd2]
I'm keeping some Oracle->PG notes too
01:28:18 [vinod]
cool - can't wait to see 'em!
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:)
01:35:15 [markd2]
greetings
01:35:19 [Sporkiephylax]
hello
01:35:19 [davb]
hi
01:35:23 [vinod]
hey Sporkiephylax
01:35:28 [Sporkiephylax]
Hey Vinod!
01:49:16 [Sporkiephylax]
UltraHouse!
01:51:50 [markd2]
Vinod is in the UltraHaüs
01:52:00 [Sporkiephylax]
heh
01:52:06 [Sporkiephylax]
mark
01:52:24 [Sporkiephylax]
Regarding adding day of birth to Authors...I looked over it and I don't think it's necessary as each author is unique
01:54:29 [markd2]
just the author name?
01:54:33 [Sporkiephylax]
yeah
01:54:35 [markd2]
that's sufficient to be unique?
01:54:41 [Sporkiephylax]
yes
01:54:42 [Sporkiephylax]
because:
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01:54:43 [markd2]
What if two different John Smiths write books?
01:55:00 [Sporkiephylax]
Author names (but not patron names) are unique.
01:55:09 [Sporkiephylax]
remember...crappy school simulation
01:55:14 [markd2]
yeah
01:55:19 [markd2]
I can't castrate my mind like that
01:55:24 [davb]
heh
01:55:35 [markd2]
I Can Only Go So Far
01:55:41 [markd2]
* markd2 babbles incoherently
01:55:45 [davb]
he is only 2 months away from graduating :)
01:55:52 [davb]
give him a break.
01:55:57 [markd2]
heh
01:55:57 [Sporkiephylax]
heh
01:56:09 [markd2]
then he'll be writing Real Systems with the bad notions crammed in his skull
01:56:23 [Sporkiephylax]
no
01:56:38 [Sporkiephylax]
I plan on forgetting everything I learned by killing my brain cells with beer and starting anew
01:56:42 [davb]
Well, he knows its silly, but he still has to do it. Isn;t that the same in the "real world"?? :)
01:57:13 [davb]
I am really scared about this MS settlement. I am also very disappointed in NYs attorney general.
01:57:44 [davb]
But its probably not as bad as everyone is saying. I doubt they will take over the internet.
01:58:42 [markd2]
is there a new settlement with the 3 states that wanted to go to court?
01:59:03 [davb]
I had fun trying to explain why we didn't need to duplicate data in our new database again today. Tomorrow I plan to hit my head against a brick wall repeatedly for a break.
01:59:09 [davb]
Maybe, I can't keep up with it.
02:00:14 [davb]
they aren't saying which states caved in, but last I heard NY was going to go along with it.
02:00:23 [davb]
Not a peep on the AGs web site.
02:01:17 [Sporkiephylax]
yeeehhaaaw
02:01:26 [Sporkiephylax]
I got a 6 day vacation
02:01:36 [markd2]
suh-wheet
02:01:37 [davb]
Excellent. Before or after the demo?
02:01:40 [Sporkiephylax]
yeah
02:01:41 [Sporkiephylax]
After
02:01:48 [davb]
not bad.
02:02:27 [davb]
Why do all stories about the Federal Reserve cutting interest rate not say WHICH rate they have changed?
02:03:11 [davb]
Aha, I was right, its the overnight bank rate. Not for real people.
02:03:30 [Sporkiephylax]
hmmm?
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02:03:49 [markd2]
hey doc
02:03:53 [davb]
hello docwolf and dgeilhufe
02:05:17 [davb]
Its the federal funds rate. Not the prime interest rate.
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02:06:40 [docwolf]
hi everybody!
02:06:51 [docwolf]
davb: someone buying a car?
02:06:52 [markd2]
how's it going?
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02:07:38 [davb]
not me. :)
02:07:45 [davb]
hi talli.
02:07:47 [talli]
hey guys
02:07:57 [talli]
is geilhufe trying to get you guys to do something nasty?
02:08:12 [davb]
not yet...
02:08:16 [talli]
ah, rbm... just the man i wanted to speak with...
02:09:22 [talli]
what's the word this eve, friends and foes?
02:09:45 [Sporkiephylax]
hey talli
02:09:51 [talli]
hey sporkie
02:09:53 [docwolf]
i have discovered a new form of terrorism
02:10:13 [Sporkiephylax]
you being a businessman, you know of any good places we can rent cheaply for a NYC OpenACS social?
02:10:22 [markd2]
vinoderrisom
02:10:34 [docwolf]
my "friends" are signing me up on porn sites
02:10:37 [docwolf]
with my email address
02:10:42 [talli]
no need to "rent"
02:10:46 [docwolf]
and "personal" sites
02:10:47 [markd2]
oy
02:10:50 [talli]
we hosted the first one in our office
02:10:51 [talli]
it's big enough
02:10:54 [davb]
ack!
02:10:57 [markd2]
hopefully they're good sites
02:10:59 [docwolf]
haha
02:11:01 [talli]
how can i get friends like yours, doc?
02:11:09 [docwolf]
I open my mailbox, and it's like a tidal wave of spam
02:11:10 [talli]
are they paying?
02:11:13 [davb]
talli: it wasn't you??
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mmm... porn tidal waves
02:11:35 [docwolf]
haha
02:11:38 [davb]
http://www.oregonlive.com/metrowest/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/metro_west_news/100444969518181382.xml
02:11:38 [chump]
G: http://www.oregonlive.com/metrowest/oregonian/index.ssf?/xml/story.ssf/html_standard.xsl?/base/metro_west_news/100444969518181382.xml from davb
02:11:48 [davb]
G:|5th grader programs in Visual Basic
02:11:49 [chump]
titled item G
02:11:53 [talli]
that's quite a URL there
02:11:57 [davb]
G: get this kid some free software!!
02:11:57 [chump]
commented item G
02:13:03 [docwolf]
dude... the kid pulled the old "Werdna" trick... any old farts here recognize that name?
02:13:10 [davb]
G: I mean Free Software
02:13:10 [chump]
commented item G
02:13:45 [docwolf]
man do i feel old. not just because of the teen porn in my mailbox, either.
02:14:01 [talli]
i only know about redrum
02:14:02 [docwolf]
"werdna" was the name of the villain in wizardry.
02:14:22 [docwolf]
(the author was andrew greenburg)
02:14:29 [davb]
Aha. Skipped that one. Thats not "old" though. I just never got a change to play it.
02:14:48 [talli]
is that old or just incredibly nerdy?
02:14:49 [davb]
My first computer game was "hunt the wumpus"
02:15:04 [docwolf]
davb: wizardry was one of those games where you either really played it, or ignored it. no in between :-)
02:15:08 [davb]
or something like that. and no ,talli its no what you are thinking.
02:15:12 [docwolf]
hunt the wumpus... on the c64
02:15:18 [markd2]
* markd2 == docwolf
02:15:25 [markd2]
as far as wizardry goes
02:15:44 [docwolf]
markd2: we are both embarrassing fossils.
02:15:52 [docwolf]
(says docwolf, listening to the soundtrack from Tron)
02:16:01 [davb]
I played over the telephone. My dad brought home a terminal with a thermal printer (no screen) :)
02:16:12 [davb]
Now I am here.
02:16:21 [talli]
docwolf: you get an award for the Tron line
02:16:21 [davb]
I don't feel that much has changed.
02:16:35 [docwolf]
talli: no, i'm serious -- i really _am_ listening to Tron
02:16:42 [talli]
whoa
02:16:51 [docwolf]
please kill me.
02:16:55 [talli]
docwolf, i fear for your life
02:17:14 [talli]
perhaps there is some anthrax you can get? i think that might help you.
02:17:39 [talli]
i didn't know there was a soundtrack from tron
02:17:50 [talli]
are you listening to it on vynil? cassette?
02:17:53 [docwolf]
yep. written by a pretty famous new-age musician, wendy carlos.
02:17:54 [talli]
eight track?
02:18:03 [docwolf]
78
02:18:08 [talli]
dope
02:18:11 [docwolf]
on the old victrola
02:18:29 [talli]
how is the hamster running inside?
02:18:37 [talli]
how old is the hamster, i mean
02:18:43 [docwolf]
a little paunchy. he's seen better days.
02:19:15 [docwolf]
ugh.. maybe i need a time machine. I don't feel right in 2001.
02:20:08 [docwolf]
though rumor has it that Disney has completely run out of ideas, and they may remake Tron.
02:20:55 [Sporkiephylax]
* Sporkiephylax goes to bed
02:25:14 [talli]
well, docwolf, if you're going to admit that you are listening to Tron, i will admit my sudden urge to listen to Total Eclipse of the Heart
02:25:44 [talli]
and as a result, i've ended up on a webpage with an animated gif of Elmo
02:25:57 [talli]
who the hell is Bright Eyes?
02:26:37 [markd2]
ShootMeUpElmo
02:31:27 [docwolf]
talli: unfortunately,
02:31:48 [docwolf]
that total eclipse thing came up in my mp3 playlist eariler this evening. i am doomed.
02:32:06 [talli]
oooo... can you email it tome?
02:34:00 [docwolf]
hehe...
02:34:12 [docwolf]
dude
02:34:22 [docwolf]
talli: upgrade your IRC client, if you know what i mean...
02:34:45 [talli]
to what?
02:34:53 [talli]
something like, oh, maybe AIM?
02:35:06 [docwolf]
it looks like the only person here with dcc that works is markd2
02:35:15 [docwolf]
unless my client is lying to me
02:35:16 [talli]
it should work with me
02:41:43 [markd2]
aaronSw's should work - we use the same basic client
02:44:36 [docwolf]
i think my client is just diseased or something
02:46:59 [talli]
hey docwolf...
02:47:04 [talli]
i heard you met stallman once...
02:47:07 [talli]
how was it?
02:47:15 [docwolf]
Well, Talli, now that you ask.....
02:47:27 [docwolf]
does everyone want to hear an embarrassing tale?
02:47:50 [talli]
* talli sits rapt at his workstation, awaiting a tale of emmense proportion
02:48:00 [docwolf]
(rbm, you around? :-) )
02:48:17 [docwolf]
I'm sure i told this one before
02:48:20 [markd2]
sure!
02:48:51 [docwolf]
ok, for posterity, and as a plug for roberto, i'll tell you the story of my trip to Roberto's Conference
02:49:01 [docwolf]
in Utah last year. I'd go again if I had the chance.
02:49:29 [docwolf]
So, Roberto invited me out to this GNU/OpenSource conference to speak.
02:50:00 [docwolf]
I thought i'd build his club a clone & donate it to his club
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and get some good press for arsdigita. (the server that I built is actually still running at fslc.usu.edu)
02:50:43 [docwolf]
anyway, so i built this clone for the club, then flew to salt lake.
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02:51:05 [docwolf]
met up with another arsdigitan whom you may know (Uday Mathur), and we drove together from Salt Lake to Logan
02:51:45 [docwolf]
We had a grand time... interesting landscape, huge houses with polygamists.. a great drive all around
02:52:06 [docwolf]
so, we get to Logan, and meet up with Roberto.
02:52:15 [talli]
mmmm... polygamy
02:52:30 [docwolf]
Logan and USU are really interesting. They are squarely in the middle of nowhere.
02:53:07 [docwolf]
It looks like a great place to study, because of its isolation
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(I'm not surprised Baccus digs up dinosaurs there)
02:53:51 [docwolf]
anyway, we meet up with Roberto and go out to dinner at.... I think it was Chilis. (I'm a big spender)
02:54:28 [docwolf]
I decide to be virtuous, and eat a salad. MAJOR, MAJOR mistake.
02:55:18 [talli]
ummm... is this the ryan's steak house story again?
02:55:32 [docwolf]
Anyway, we drop off our ArsDigita schwag and then go off to our hotel rooms to get some sleep before the conference tomorrow
02:55:40 [docwolf]
(ryans style story approaching..)
02:56:08 [docwolf]
BTW, we stayed at the hotel on campus -- it was _awesome_ .. highly recommended. we were in the Penthouse Suite, it cost like $5.
02:56:41 [docwolf]
I start to feel woozy... but in control.
02:57:08 [docwolf]
the next morning..... as we're setting up our booth & the conference began, I had a major ryan's like episode.
02:57:37 [docwolf]
so, i spent the day mostly running back & forth from the booth to the .. umm.. facilities.
02:57:45 [markd2]
oof
02:57:58 [docwolf]
but roberto & uday got up and spoke in front of about 200 people
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about the virtues of OpenACS
02:58:08 [docwolf]
while I hurled, and handed out aD T-shirts.
02:58:18 [markd2]
must have been some salad
02:58:25 [docwolf]
markd2: it was epic.
02:59:01 [docwolf]
anyway, I was feeling really bad. My body clock was totally off, we were in the mountains, and I had some lethal ecoli.
02:59:09 [talli]
whoa. stay away from the raunchy ranch in logan utah
02:59:27 [docwolf]
so, the evening rolls around and stallman is going to give the keynote
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but before he starts talking, roberto and Joe Grover (another one of the dudes that runs the free software club at utah)
03:00:19 [docwolf]
were up at the podium giving away prizes --- mostly some t-shirts and o'reilly books.
03:00:42 [docwolf]
as they were raffling off this stuff, a bloated, slovenly person sprang to the front of the room.
03:01:02 [docwolf]
it was stallman. And he was harrassing roberto and joe about giving away books!
03:01:26 [docwolf]
"Are those books really 'free'? How can you in good faith give away those books, and perpetuate this sort of licensing, etc..."
03:01:51 [docwolf]
he was of course referring to the fact that O'reilly books aren't "free", in either sense.
03:01:58 [talli]
whoa
03:02:14 [docwolf]
so, poor joe and roberto were getting hammered up on stage. it was fucking horrible.
03:02:28 [docwolf]
So, I pick up one of philip's books, and race up to the stage
03:02:35 [talli]
is he, in fact, insane?
03:02:36 [docwolf]
(it must have been the bacterial toxins going to my head)
03:02:50 [markd2]
or the greenspun RDF
03:02:51 [docwolf]
but I shouted out: "Look, _this_ book is free -- we can raffle it off instead."
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and i showed it to stallman. He didn't look pleased to see philip's smiling puss on the cover.
03:03:31 [markd2]
Stallman is just jealous of Alex
03:03:39 [docwolf]
so, stallman shut his pie-hole, we raffled the stack of philip books off
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and the crisis was averted.
03:03:56 [talli]
does stallman not like philip?
03:04:13 [docwolf]
stallman was pissed, because as I later learned, charging up to the stage and making accusations
03:04:16 [docwolf]
is part of his "act".
03:04:30 [markd2]
heh
03:04:32 [docwolf]
I'm sorry though, he was acting like a fucking tool. (pardon my french)(
03:04:54 [markd2]
yeah. You shouldn't use 'tool' in a family forum like this, you bastard.
03:04:59 [docwolf]
haha
03:05:11 [docwolf]
if he had a problem with Tim O'reilly, he should take it up with o'reilly
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and not try to humiliate the two dudes who arranged a pretty big software conference in his honor.
03:06:10 [docwolf]
later that evening, we all went out to dinner.
03:06:20 [docwolf]
stallman did not become any less strange.
03:06:50 [docwolf]
he spent most of the dinner playing with his laptop. (no, i'm not kidding)
03:07:40 [talli]
what was he doing on his laptop? hacking emacs?
03:07:50 [docwolf]
I think he was just responding to email
03:07:58 [docwolf]
it was really weird.
03:08:18 [docwolf]
so, i don't think this year's guest, bruce perens, will be as.. umm.. "exciting" :-)
03:08:33 [markd2]
hopefully more sane
03:08:56 [docwolf]
I get pissed when people try to pull the full-on "star treatment"
03:09:12 [docwolf]
stallman's showboating at roberto's expense didn't fly with me.
03:11:16 [talli]
well, he sounds like a mal-developed person. at least in terms of his person in social contexts
03:16:13 [docwolf]
ugh.. that describes most people at MIT.
03:16:26 [markd2]
heh
03:16:28 [docwolf]
oops, did i type that, or did I just _think_ that?
03:16:34 [markd2]
do you know if other Prestegious Schools (like CMU) are like that?
03:17:58 [docwolf]
haha. i think MIT is _special_, because they get people who applied to harvard, but didn't have the social skills.
03:18:26 [markd2]
can I add that to my quote file?
03:18:34 [docwolf]
haha
03:20:56 [markd2]
old man needs his sleep
03:20:58 [markd2]
catch folks tomorrow
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03:21:04 [talli]
later markd2
03:21:33 [talli]
ok, this guy is going to spend some time learning more about the classic film Tron.
03:21:39 [talli]
see you guys later as well
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03:53:58 [rbm]
hey doc. you still here?
03:54:30 [rbm]
* rbm still feels chivers go up his spine when he thinks of Stallman going up on the stage
03:57:05 [rbm]
I don't think I'll ever forget Adam and Uday saving our butts that day :)
04:00:27 [docwolf]
haha
04:00:29 [docwolf]
hi roberto
04:00:47 [docwolf]
it was quite a day!
04:01:01 [docwolf]
here's to hoping that this year's show isn't as... umm... eventful ;-)
04:01:45 [rbm]
hehe
04:01:56 [rbm]
Bruce should be more sociable :)
04:02:17 [rbm]
docwolf: Unfortunately, because of the economic climate, we don't have anything to give away thus far :(
04:02:50 [docwolf]
d'oh
04:02:55 [docwolf]
i wish i could help :-(
04:03:16 [rbm]
I think we're going to go to the bookstore and buy a couple ORA books to give away
04:03:25 [docwolf]
cool
04:03:35 [docwolf]
i'm surprised o'reilly hasn't volunteered a few copies
04:03:38 [rbm]
But that's pretty much going to be it.
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morning guys
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greetings
13:35:36 [docwolf]
yo
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hello
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Hi ola
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hi guys
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Good morning markd2
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greetings
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15:33:30 [Psychephylax]
blah
15:34:06 [davb]
hi Psychephylax
15:34:37 [davb]
check this out its cool. They have all the New York universities favorite books at amazon.com http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/browse-communities/-/214822/books/ref=cm_detail/104-5665802-0158347
15:35:11 [davb]
apparently you guys don't buy enough books at amazon...
15:35:52 [davb]
oh, if you go to State University of New York, then Stony Brook, it works.
15:36:32 [Psychephylax]
hey
15:36:46 [davb]
This is #3 at Syrcuse University: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/cm/browse-communities/-/214822/books/ref=cm_detail/104-5665802-0158347
15:38:31 [Psychephylax]
i don't get it
15:44:01 [davb]
what why so many people bought a Fortran book?
15:45:55 [markd2]
* markd2 *hearts* fortran
15:46:55 [davb]
They have lists for music, videos etc too. This is _really_ cool.
15:46:58 [Psychephylax]
Because Fortran is still used by Mechanical and Electrical Engineers
15:47:09 [davb]
Aha.
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Hi aegrumet
15:47:55 [aegrumet]
hey all
15:48:15 [aegrumet]
davb: rss generation stuff is coming along
15:48:33 [aegrumet]
service contract is defined and data model files written
15:48:37 [davb]
Great.
15:48:50 [davb]
SOrry I haven't been much help :)
15:48:54 [aegrumet]
is okay
15:49:16 [aegrumet]
I only manage to grab the odd hour on nights or weekends
15:49:27 [aegrumet]
hopefully will have something workable by the coming weekend
15:49:47 [davb]
It will be a very useful package.
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[GlobalNotice] Hi all. We'll be restarting services in a moment, accompanied by some splits. Thanks in advance for your patience.
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Yahoo!
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http://mathworld.wolfram.com/
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A: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ from davb
16:36:12 [davb]
A:| Eric's Mathworld Returns!!
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titled item A
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A: [What happened to Mathworld| http://mathworld.wolfram.com/erics_commentary.html]
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commented item A
16:40:39 [davb]
I am glad its back, but I don't like the settlement at all. But then again, its not my stuff and I am very happy the resource is available.
16:41:29 [davb]
A: Bottom Line, make sure if you ever sell a book, to be very clear about online distribution rights.
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commented item A
16:50:01 [ola]
good site! I need to get reacquainted with most of that:-)
16:50:51 [davb]
Yeah, my head is spinning. I have to get back up to speed on my math if I want to study computer science.
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17:20:01 [markd2]
hey Psychephylax, you around?
17:25:04 [Psychephylax]
yes
17:25:07 [Psychephylax]
I think
17:25:15 [Psychephylax]
Might not be around for much longer
17:25:53 [markd2]
ok
17:26:17 [markd2]
a friend from munich had some SNMP questions. figured I'd tell him to catch you here
17:26:19 [Psychephylax]
what's up
17:26:23 [Psychephylax]
sure
17:26:42 [Psychephylax]
i'm no SNMP pro though
17:26:43 [markd2]
so if some weird guy named Branimir shows up, he's a bud of mine
17:26:47 [markd2]
you know more than me!
17:26:56 [markd2]
I started talking about email before he bitchslapped me
17:28:39 [Psychephylax]
lol
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Hi hazmat
17:40:37 [hazmat]
hi davb
17:46:54 [Psychephylax]
hi
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hi, everybody!
17:52:49 [hazmat]
hi
17:55:57 [aegrumet]
hey wolfman, did you catch that VCER video?
17:56:12 [aegrumet]
pretty funny spoof on ER
17:57:39 [AaronSw]
heh, sounds funny
17:58:08 [aegrumet]
oh is that the Real Aaron Swartz?
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(not the robot)
17:58:17 [Psychephylax]
no
17:58:18 [Psychephylax]
it's the clone
17:58:23 [AaronSw]
This is the real one.
17:58:24 [aegrumet]
man he's good!
17:58:31 [AaronSw]
The robot takes my place since I'm at O'Reilly's P2PCon
17:58:54 [aegrumet]
Yeah, saw some of the logs on blogspace.com
18:00:28 [AaronSw]
ah, cool
18:02:24 [davb]
to lunch --->
18:02:41 [Psychephylax]
same
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18:18:57 [davb]
hazmat, i'll be around all afternoon (morning for you) if you have any keyword questions.
18:19:17 [hazmat]
thanks davb
18:19:44 [hazmat]
i'm still working through my email for the day.
18:19:50 [davb]
np
18:21:27 [hazmat]
i think i'm gonna hold off and just work on webmail for now, i'm pretty sure i'm just going to avoid the cr at this point, as i already have a non cr data model that works, and i'm lacking confidence in the scalability of the cr.
18:27:34 [davb]
I see. Well I think the CR can work, but it has never been really tested.
18:35:58 [hazmat]
* hazmat has been a guinea pig before, and didn't like it :(
18:38:56 [adler]
hazmat: what did you try?
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18:46:02 [hazmat]
you mean being a guinea big or the cr alternative.... or something else ?
18:47:02 [adler]
in what situation were you the guinea pig? related to oacs, or did your big brother tell you eat something in the sandbox or something like?
18:47:19 [markd2]
or your big brother made you use oacs in the sandbox
18:48:24 [adler]
hazmat: tell us about your parents.
18:51:41 [hazmat]
well i put an acs4.0 system into production, if that counts as being a guinea big...
18:52:04 [hazmat]
but i guess most of the time i make others into guinea pigs....
18:52:10 [adler]
is it public?
18:53:00 [hazmat]
it was, before management decided to scrap the acs and go with a template toolkit based solution ala citysearch.com , the site was www.countingdown.com
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s/was/is
18:55:03 [adler]
forgive me if you've gone over this before, but what was their main gripe?
18:59:25 [hazmat]
i think part of it was politics (i never learned that game), specific issues were the scaling of the bboards (they were using ubb perl cgi, for their old site which had some obscene amount of messages which when converted over slowed the site to a grind), some issues with the templating and working with the designer tools (dreamweaver specifically), the biggest one by far was their inability to find *anyone* who they could hire
19:00:09 [markd2]
:'-(
19:00:13 [hazmat]
who they could hire to work with the system (i was under contract, and had little desire for a perm. position in the entertainment world, although they had nice offices on the dreamworks campus)
19:00:35 [adler]
how well does the templating system work with dreamweaver ?
19:00:36 [markd2]
oh well
19:01:11 [hazmat]
they tried to find people and they had aD quoting six figures, they wanted someone in house, keep in mind that this was when acs4.0 was brand spanking new...
19:02:08 [hazmat]
adler: i'm not sure what version of dreamweaver it was but <tag> based templating systems will always suffer since html standards say ignore what you don't understand
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adler: probably the best design/programmer based system i've seen are zope's page templates
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much less work than full blown xslt publishing system, yet they also keep application logic out of the presentation layer, and allow designers to use their favorite tools.
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http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZPT/FrontPage
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B: http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZPT/FrontPage from hazmat
19:05:06 [hazmat]
B: Zope Presentation Templates, an elegant seperation of business and presentation logic that is designer friendly, based on xmlns attribute substitution in html tags, loosely reminiscent of enhydra's xmlc
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commented item B
19:09:20 [adler]
thanks hazmat
19:09:28 [hazmat]
np
19:10:24 [adler]
Some folk I work with are buying dreamweaver, although I think it's because just want to feel like paying n hundred dollars will solve their problems.
19:11:10 [adler]
davb - weren't you trying to remove extra new lines from a file? did you use perl
19:11:52 [davb]
I forget... perl works though.
19:12:17 [davb]
Dreamweaver is nice, but I haven't used it in a couple of years.
19:12:24 [davb]
adler, I used the DEL key :)
19:13:28 [davb]
here is a nice list of handy perl one-liners
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http://www.rice.edu/web/perl-edit.html
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C: http://www.rice.edu/web/perl-edit.html from davb
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C:|Edit your HTML files with a one-line perl program
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titled item C
19:17:59 [adler]
the onlyproblem is editing newlines because perl generally interates inbetween linebreaks
19:19:56 [davb]
aha
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19:23:13 [davb]
anyone remember this?
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http://bbspot.com/News/2000/8/aol_hours.html
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D: http://bbspot.com/News/2000/8/aol_hours.html from davb
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D:|AOL's new plan 1000 hours/month
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titled item D
19:23:51 [davb]
D: check out www.aol.com - real offer 1000 hours for 45 days
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commented item D
19:23:56 [davb]
D: life imitates art
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commented item D
19:27:14 [dwalker]
as if the lottery wasn't already a good enough tax on people bad at math
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d: AOL CEO Steve Case said, "This is a fabulous opportunity for our customers. We are offering them 33% more time online for only 9% more. This is the truly the deal of the century."
19:28:01 [davb]
D: AOL CEO Steve Case said, "This is a fabulous opportunity for our customers. We are offering them 33% more time online for only 9% more. This is the truly the deal of the century."
19:28:01 [chump]
commented item D
19:28:27 [adler]
i turned out to be the chump
19:28:50 [davb]
heh. I should setup a documentation page one of these days.
19:29:21 [dwalker]
I admit I did check aol.com to be sure
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19:31:16 [dwalker]
of course I knew immediately it was fictional after seeing http://bbspot.com/News/2000/9/linux_laid.html - Linux Developer Gets Laid
19:31:41 [davb]
Right, that would be impossible.
19:32:23 [dwalker]
Don't I know it
19:34:23 [dwalker]
FBI investigators have begun to focus their attention on laboratories with access to the bacteria, Homeland Security Director Tom Ridge said Wednesday.
19:34:28 [dwalker]
quick aren't they?
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19:36:21 [adler]
exactly
19:36:57 [dwalker]
why are the events module and the calendar module disconnected in openacs 3.2.5?
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19:37:15 [dwalker]
or did I miss a connection somewhere?
19:37:29 [davb]
I am not familiar with those modules
19:42:31 [markd2]
different heritages
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I suppose if I make a monthly view for events it will do what I need
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yep, NY's attorney general caves in to MS : Before the hearing, New York Attorney General Eliot Spitzer announced his state would be joined by Illinois, North Carolina, Kentucky, Michigan, Ohio, Wisconsin, Louisiana and Maryland in approving a revised settlement they negotiated through the night with Microsoft.
20:00:04 [davb]
"We have gotten a remedy proportionate to the findings affirmed the D.C. Circuit," Spitzer said, referring to the federal appeals court ruling this summer that concluded Microsoft was an illegal monopoly but should not be broken into two companies
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hey guys
20:32:16 [markd2]
heya
20:33:09 [davb]
very smart.
20:33:56 [markd2]
anyone here have qmail mojo?
20:34:09 [Psychephylax]
I have no mojo
20:34:09 [davb]
what are you trying to do?
20:34:14 [Psychephylax]
I have some ojom though
20:34:17 [markd2]
heh
20:34:18 [davb]
I have installed it twice.
20:34:24 [markd2]
I'm trying to move a client to a new box
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and I'm doing qmail
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I copied the /var/qmail dir over
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and tweaked the various files to do what I think should be done
20:34:42 [markd2]
but it's not listening to port 25
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so it doesn't receive mail
20:35:18 [davb]
that would be a problem. you have to link in the startup script into init.d or wherever depending on the OS
20:35:40 [markd2]
I'm running the init.d startup script (copied from the working box) by hand
20:35:52 [davb]
Aha, that should work.
20:35:52 [markd2]
it says it starts up, I see logging @400000003be99aa12be90144 status: local 0/10 remote 0/20
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and the processes are there
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but I telnet to port 25, and no joy
20:36:07 [davb]
I never learned to decipher the qmail logs...
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* davb looks at his config files
20:37:06 [Psychephylax]
mark
20:37:23 [Psychephylax]
is this a publicly available machine? have you port scanned it?
20:37:38 [Psychephylax]
maybe it's listening on a diff port and/or your firewall is blocking access?
20:37:56 [markd2]
hmm.. good idea. lemme check
20:37:57 [Psychephylax]
I usually nmap localhost and nmap ip from a remote machine
20:39:04 [davb]
I am using daemontools to run qmail. I got the scripts off a link from www.qmail.org somewhere.
20:39:13 [davb]
Is that sufficiently vaugue for you?
20:39:53 [davb]
do you have something like this?
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tcprules /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb /etc/tcp.smtp.tmp < /etc/tcp.smtp
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or whatever. I am not sure that would actually not allow you to connect to port 25 though, just sets the rules for relaying.
20:41:06 [markd2]
hmmm
20:41:15 [markd2]
even coming from localhost it's not connecting
20:43:50 [Psychephylax]
did you do ps -A | grep qmail
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?
20:44:09 [Psychephylax]
it could just die right away
20:44:33 [markd2]
yep. the whole family is running
20:45:54 [davb]
this can't hurt
20:45:55 [davb]
http://www.qmail.org/top.html#tips
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E: http://www.qmail.org/top.html#tips from davb
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E:|Qmail Tips
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titled item E
20:47:23 [davb]
the permissions thing is the main one to check.
20:48:20 [davb]
Also I just found out about:
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http://www.apress.com/catalog/book/1893115402/
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F: http://www.apress.com/catalog/book/1893115402/ from davb
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F:|The qmail Handbook
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titled item F
20:50:23 [markd2]
oooh
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life with qmail is pretty good
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20:58:19 [markd2]
found my problem (I htink)
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qmail-smtpd isn't running
20:58:26 [markd2]
I need to get that running
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That should do it.
21:01:54 [Psychephylax]
wtf
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text areas can't be named?
21:02:17 [davb]
really?
21:02:47 [davb]
like this <textarea>name</textarea> I think.
21:04:10 [Psychephylax]
no that's default text
21:04:20 [davb]
Ok. hmmm.
21:06:46 [davb]
looks like NAME is valid
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ie: The TEXTAREA element's NAME attribute provides the name used
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http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/forms/textarea.html
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G: http://www.htmlhelp.com/reference/html40/forms/textarea.html from davb
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G:| Textarea HTML syntax
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titled item G
21:08:05 [Psychephylax]
cool
21:08:14 [Psychephylax]
Must have forgotten to hit reload when I tried it
21:10:11 [davb]
:)
21:10:59 [Psychephylax]
if I'm making a lookup table
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like:
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1 User error
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2 New request
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3 User is dumb
21:11:26 [Psychephylax]
Do I need anything special?
21:11:48 [davb]
You just want to code it into the HTML?
21:12:00 [davb]
in a <SELECT>?
21:12:10 [Psychephylax]
no
21:12:13 [Psychephylax]
in Oracle
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SQL> create table incident_map (
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2 problem_id integer primary key,
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3 problem_desc varchar2 (50)
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4 );
21:12:31 [davb]
looks good to me.
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Unless you want to get fancy. WHich I assume you do not.
21:13:16 [Psychephylax]
no
21:13:16 [Psychephylax]
lol
21:13:40 [davb]
I can imagine each codebeing an ACS_OBJECT etc...
21:15:56 [Psychephylax]
so how would I match this
21:16:06 [Psychephylax]
I need to do a join to print out the thing right?
21:17:49 [Psychephylax]
say I have this query:
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select incident_id, cm_rcv_pwr, cm_c_to_n_ratio, TO_CHAR(incident_date, 'mm\
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-dd-yyyy hh:mi:ssam') as incident_date, cm_trans_pwr from snmp_incidents where \
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mac_address = :modem_mac order by incident_date desc
21:18:20 [Psychephylax]
in the select I want to add problem_id (but, have it replaced by a lookup from the incident_map)
21:18:32 [Psychephylax]
so I guess it's more of a subquery?
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(select m.problem_desc from incident_map where m.problem_id = i.problem_id) as problem_desc from snmp_incidents
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* markd2 catches up
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<textarea name="spork"></textarea>
21:21:14 [davb]
or something like that.
21:21:31 [davb]
oops: from snmp_incidents i
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brb
21:22:27 [Psychephylax]
that' won't work
21:22:30 [Psychephylax]
we don't know what m is
21:23:03 [Psychephylax]
Mark, wanna earn some cookies?
21:23:34 [markd2]
sure
21:23:40 [markd2]
I'm on the phone, so I'm floating in and out
21:24:02 [Psychephylax]
i have my main table snmp_incidents and a little subtable that has incident_id and incident_desc
21:24:29 [Psychephylax]
where incident_desc stores mappings like : 1 -> New Call, 2 -> Firmware check...etc
21:24:56 [Psychephylax]
How can i do a select something1, something2, something3 from blah (but have something3 replaced with the actual description
21:25:15 [Psychephylax]
like something3 = 1 but I want it replaced with "Signal Check"
21:27:21 [markd2]
select t1.something1, t1.something2, (select spoon from table3 t3 where t3.thingie = t1.bork) as spoon thing from table1 t1, table2 t2 where ....
21:27:50 [Psychephylax]
aha
21:32:35 [Psychephylax]
how's this:
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select t1.modem_mac, (select problem_desc from incident_map t2 where t2.problem_id = t1.problem_id) as problem_id from snmp_incidents t1, incidents_map t2 where t1.modem_mac = $modem_mac
21:33:19 [davb]
oops I like out m :)
21:33:59 [Psychephylax]
you like out m all you want
21:34:03 [Psychephylax]
but you left it out :)
21:34:14 [davb]
heh
21:34:19 [davb]
time for me to go! later
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aha
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you are all welcomed to join me and the ladies in #hottub
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heh
21:41:10 [Psychephylax]
arg
21:41:25 [Psychephylax]
TO_CHAR(t1.incident_date, 'mm-dd-yyyy hh:mi:ssam') as t1.incident_date
21:41:28 [Psychephylax]
that look right?
21:44:42 [markd2]
lose the second t1
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just 'as incident_date'
21:44:55 [markd2]
you might want to call it 'pretty_incident_date'
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if you'll be sorting / grouping by that column
21:46:05 [Psychephylax]
heh
21:46:06 [Psychephylax]
no
21:46:09 [Psychephylax]
sorting by date
21:46:14 [Psychephylax]
well, lol, yeah that column
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* Psychephylax smacks himself
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see
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it's losing all of my history now
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it's not matching
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Mark?
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sorry
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phased out
21:51:57 [markd2]
make sure it works without that subquery
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then add it in
21:52:07 [Psychephylax]
it worked
21:52:12 [Psychephylax]
I altered the query and it's bombing out
21:52:15 [markd2]
stuff in the 'select .blah' line won't affect your results
21:52:20 [Psychephylax]
set modem_mac $modem_mac
21:52:20 [Psychephylax]
db_multirow incident_id incidents_select {
21:52:20 [Psychephylax]
select t1.incident_id, t1.cm_rcv_pwr, t1.cm_c_to_n_ratio, TO_CHAR(t1.incident_date, 'mm-dd-yyyy hh:mi:ssam') as pretty_incident_date, (select\
21:52:20 [Psychephylax]
problem_desc from incident_map t2 where t2.problem_id = t1.problem_id) as pretty_problem_id from snmp_incidents t1, incident_map t2 where t1\
21:52:20 [Psychephylax]
.mac_address = :modem_mac order by pretty_incident_date desc
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}
21:52:44 [markd2]
andf you take out (select ;problem_desc...), it works?
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21:53:05 [Psychephylax]
this works: #db_multirow incident_id incidents_select {
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p_incidents where mac_address = :modem_mac order by incident_date desc
21:53:19 [markd2]
well, yeah, since you commented out everything
21:53:59 [Psychephylax]
no I mean it worked before I commented it out!
21:54:09 [Psychephylax]
Why would I uncomment just so I can paste it in for you :P
21:54:46 [Psychephylax]
it doesn't crap out, it just doesn't match my mac anymore
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21:55:32 [Psychephylax]
i got 10 min to finish this :(
21:57:58 [Psychephylax]
Ahhhhhhhhh!
21:57:59 [Psychephylax]
heh
21:58:20 [markd2]
* markd2 tries not to think how Spork's brain works
21:59:00 [Psychephylax]
I don't get it it's not matching at all
21:59:19 [Psychephylax]
the query makes sense to me
21:59:23 [Psychephylax]
I don't see why it's not working though
21:59:37 [Psychephylax]
t1.mac_address = :modem_mac
21:59:37 [Psychephylax]
is not working
22:02:14 [aegrumet]
Hey does anybody know how one would go about terminating a delinquent db query programmatically?
22:02:26 [aegrumet]
i.e. a search query which just ain't returning
22:02:52 [k2pts]
aegrumet: what do you mean a search query which ain't returning?
22:03:37 [aegrumet]
sometimes a user enters a search phrase which throws us for a loop
22:03:41 [k2pts]
openfts?
22:03:44 [aegrumet]
nope
22:03:46 [aegrumet]
Intermedia
22:03:58 [aegrumet]
even if the user hits "stop" on their browser
22:04:06 [aegrumet]
AOLserver continues to wait
22:04:14 [aegrumet]
as Intermedia churns away
22:04:35 [aegrumet]
I want essentially to be able to kill the db call
22:04:40 [k2pts]
IIRC there were some posts in the aolserver mailing list on how to kill specific threads but don't remember the details sorry.
22:04:49 [aegrumet]
okay I'll do a search
22:05:22 [Psychephylax]
Mark, you have any suggestions?
22:05:38 [aegrumet]
Come to think of it, I think we can do thread waits in tcl
22:05:53 [aegrumet]
maybe we can do thread termination too
22:10:21 [markd2]
sorry - doing bidness tuff now :-( brb
22:10:48 [Psychephylax]
heh
22:11:22 [markd2]
I'd try the queries in sqlplus.
22:11:23 [aegrumet]
"Search the archives" at listserv.aol.com hanging...
22:11:36 [markd2]
get it working without the subquery and wihtout a bind variable (hard-code something you know works)
22:11:49 [markd2]
then add the subquery with the same hard-coded value so you know it works, then put it into the tcl page
22:11:57 [markd2]
andrew - not really any way to kill a connection thread
22:12:12 [Psychephylax]
i just did
22:12:25 [markd2]
you could do something gross like have the connection thread delegate the search to another thread, wait around for a while, and then termiate it if it doesn't come back
22:12:29 [markd2]
(that's for andrew)
22:12:37 [markd2]
so, does it work for both in sqlplus?
22:12:53 [Psychephylax]
SQL> select t1.incident_id, (select problem_desc from incident_map t2 where t2.problem_id = t1.problem_id) as pretty_problem_id from snmp_incidents t1, incident_map t2 where t1.mac_address = '00:E0:6F:01:54:B2';
22:12:58 [Psychephylax]
that works in sqlplus
22:14:20 [Psychephylax]
select t1.incident_id, t1.cm_rcv_pwr, t1.cm_c_to_n_ratio, TO_CHAR(t1.incident_date, 'mm-dd-yyyy hh:mi:ss am') as pretty_incident_date, (sel\
22:14:20 [Psychephylax]
ect problem_desc from incident_map t2 where t2.problem_id = t1.problem_id) as pretty_problem_id from snmp_incidents t1, incident_map t2 whe\
22:14:20 [Psychephylax]
re t1.mac_address = :modem_mac order by pretty_incident_date desc
22:14:27 [Psychephylax]
my query is identical!
22:14:56 [Psychephylax]
maybe my display logic is off
22:15:46 [markd2]
what if you have ithe modem_mac hard-coded in the tcl page?
22:15:50 [markd2]
do you still get no results?
22:16:30 [k2pts]
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22:16:31 [Psychephylax]
I do have it hard coded lol
22:17:07 [Psychephylax]
definetly display logic
22:17:09 [markd2]
cool. then it's not the query ;-)
22:18:09 [Psychephylax]
no it's not
22:18:16 [Psychephylax]
but why the fsck is it not displaying
22:18:24 [Psychephylax]
the as thing
22:18:32 [Psychephylax]
let me ask you this
22:18:44 [Psychephylax]
db_multirow incident_id incidents_select {
22:18:51 [Psychephylax]
and inside I have "as"
22:18:56 [Psychephylax]
oh nm, it works for the other
22:20:47 [Psychephylax]
question
22:21:02 [Psychephylax]
if I want to dump a multirow into an ns_log...how do I do that?
22:21:16 [markd2]
dunno
22:21:51 [markd2]
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I don't see what the big deal is
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23:40:50 [Psychephylax]
anyone still here?
23:40:55 [Psychephylax]
mark?
23:42:36 [markd2]
hi
23:42:39 [Psychephylax]
hey
23:42:49 [Psychephylax]
I played around with that a bit more and came to this conclusion
23:43:03 [Psychephylax]
There's something strange with the way multirow is being handled
23:43:07 [Psychephylax]
because:
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I have query1 and query2
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and adp1
23:43:27 [Psychephylax]
Both queries work
23:43:34 [Psychephylax]
but only one will show up in an ADP
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23:44:17 [markd2]
weird
23:44:32 [markd2]
I've not had a problem with db_multirow before
23:44:34 [Psychephylax]
yeah
23:44:42 [markd2]
check out your page source in case there's like a hanging <table> tag or something
23:44:50 [Psychephylax]
yeah that's the other thing
23:44:57 [Psychephylax]
it doesn't show anything for my table
23:45:01 [Psychephylax]
hang on
23:45:07 [hazmat]
anyone know of a way to reload tcl libs without restarting the server and waiting for the qd to go through hundreds of files...
23:45:16 [Psychephylax]
yeah
23:45:27 [Psychephylax]
you can set AOLServer to watch your files by going to site-map
23:47:29 [Psychephylax]
ok
23:47:32 [Psychephylax]
here's the thing
23:48:07 [Psychephylax]
the adp page that outputs this, outputs the query perfectly with the simple query
23:49:13 [Psychephylax]
the moment I replace the simple query with the more complex (which also works) it doesn't output anything
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23:49:42 [Psychephylax]
hey dave
23:49:47 [markd2]
put in one of those 'if nothing found' clauses and see if it hits that
23:49:54 [davb]
hi guys
23:49:58 [Psychephylax]
what do you mean?
23:50:24 [markd2]
look at the docs for db_multirow. t here should be a bit of syntax for some code to run if no rows are found
23:50:39 [Psychephylax]
it finds rows though!
23:50:41 [markd2]
it'd be interesting to see if the db_multirow just isn't seeing everything
23:50:48 [markd2]
hmmm
23:50:54 [Psychephylax]
oh
23:51:12 [Psychephylax]
let me see
23:51:34 [Psychephylax]
arg
23:51:49 [Psychephylax]
I don't have time to do all this research I have to do 2 homeworks and study for a midterm tomorrow
23:52:09 [markd2]
go study
23:52:09 [Psychephylax]
is there a way to ns_log a db_multirow?
23:52:15 [markd2]
dunno
23:52:17 [Psychephylax]
This is frustrating me!
23:52:27 [markd2]
you can always put in ns_logs in the db_multirow impelemtnation
23:52:33 [markd2]
it's in tcl
23:52:50 [Psychephylax]
arg
23:52:54 [Psychephylax]
I must get away from this
23:53:03 [davb]
that is probably the best thing to do.
23:53:04 [Psychephylax]
I'll talk to you guys tomorrow or Friday after I finish my stuff
23:53:22 [Psychephylax]
I was hoping to have this work before Friday's demo but I don't think that will work
23:54:29 [davb]
hazmat, visit the APM. if a file changes in a package there should be a reload link next to it.
23:55:30 [Psychephylax]
dave, can't he just go to package manager > package > files then click on the "watch" link to watch that file?
23:55:33 [hazmat]
i need to migrate the files from the server tcl lib directory to a package directory, thanks though, i had forgotten about that.
23:57:08 [davb]
this is shorter. if it detects a changed file, it invites you to watch it. you don;t have to go the the package_name->manage_files link.
23:57:10 [davb]
np
23:57:21 [davb]
so far it is my favorite feature
23:59:54 [hazmat]
arg... i just learned a dumb lesson, don't put symlinks to other openacs systems in your package directories...